LOL you think I care about one line "rants" that pass as reviews on Steam or any other site? Who cares if Johnny McNoob didn't like a game that I might.......really?
Well congrats on being the first person I've ever seen claim to like one of his games:) each to their own and all... The point was he is really no better than the picture he's trying to paint of CIG. SC could be just as bad as his games for all I know, yet I'm not going to take a guy who's been trying to make such a game for decades, at face value in saying it's impossible. For him maybe, for folks with real programming skill... he wouldn't know. Universal Combat was the most shoddy game I've ever tried, and I did Stargate online pre-alpha testing mind you. There were no redeeming qualities to it, even movement was a chore.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by Burntvet I wonder if CIG will refund everyone else as well, when it becomes more apparent that what was promised with SC and what will be delivered are two different things.
That's an easy one!
Just post an article calling for people to use common sense in relations to the state of SC and ask backers to ask questions about the state of the game and if it will really be released with everything promised.
Make sure to do this on a 3rd party website that has no affiliation with SC at all.
Instant refund.
A lot of people have criticized and not been shown the door. You're not a young man, you should know that you don't fire every grumpy, grumbly, or complaining customer. If you did that you'd be out of business quick.
But he wasn't your typical customer was he. He is an industry member and more than a vocal critic he crossed the line to active dissenter. He encouraged other customers to revolt, file lawsuits, and contact the FTC. When a customer makes aggressive acts that can cost you money or are so unhappy that generate negative attention then it's time for them to go.
Questions, criticism, calls for transparency and communication are good. He went way past that and has his own dirty backyard to boot.
No he didnt. - He never told anyone to file lawsuits or contact the FTC
"4.setup a page offering refunds to all those who REQUEST it. The TOS is going to be the first thing attacked in any lawsuit. It is not likely to survive a legal challenge. Plus, the FTC will trump all that crap anyway, so there is that."
he demanded a page be setup where people can get refunds, becuse if lawsuits happened the TOS won't survive and more on point the FTC would trump the TOS anyway.
you're just trying to put things said in context to help your argument, not how they were actually said.
Information is only as good as the source so you should care.
Exactly, but they don't care, the information is what they want to hear, so nothing else matters.
I don't understand the point you're trying to make, the only information he posted was asking for more information on certain aspects of game & business decisions that have been made upto this point, wanting more clarification and information about state of the game / heading of the game and staffing choices. anything todo with money etc.. comes under business decisions so i chose to leave out the offshore account deal.
Firstly how can you not understand what that point was? Information is only as good as the messenger, that's an age old saying... with a simple meaning...
Secondly...He did far more than that.... He said the game would never get made, it's impossible to make..ETC he later went on to breakdown everything he said in a way that makes CIG look like straight up crooks. I literally just reading his full posts/blogs.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Information is only as good as the source so you should care.
Exactly, but they don't care, the information is what they want to hear, so nothing else matters.
I don't understand the point you're trying to make, the only information he posted was asking for more information on certain aspects of game & business decisions that have been made upto this point, wanting more clarification and information about state of the game / heading of the game and staffing choices. anything todo with money etc.. comes under business decisions so i chose to leave out the offshore account deal.
Firstly how can you not understand what that point was? Information is only as good as the messenger, that's an age old saying... with a simple meaning...
Secondly...He did far more than that.... He said the game would never get made, it's impossible to make..ETC he later went on to breakdown everything he said in a way that makes CIG look like straight up crooks.
information is only as good as the validity of the message (and the claims and demands being made are valid)... has nothing to do with the messenger, thats a ridiculous way of thinking.
Information is only as good as the source so you should care.
Exactly, but they don't care, the information is what they want to hear, so nothing else matters.
I don't understand the point you're trying to make, the only information he posted was asking for more information on certain aspects of game & business decisions that have been made upto this point, wanting more clarification and information about state of the game / heading of the game and staffing choices. anything todo with money etc.. comes under business decisions so i chose to leave out the offshore account deal.
Firstly how can you not understand what that point was? Information is only as good as the messenger, that's an age old saying... with a simple meaning...
Secondly...He did far more than that.... He said the game would never get made, it's impossible to make..ETC he later went on to breakdown everything he said in a way that makes CIG look like straight up crooks.
information is only as good as the validity of the message (and the claims and demands being made are valid)... has nothing to do with the messenger, thats a ridiculous way of thinking.
Do you actually know anything about Derek Smart prior to this? IF you don't, it's understandable you'd think the messenger doesn't matter at all in this...If you do....
Here's a direct quote for you..
"Sometimes when I get online, and it's quiet, and I see something that attracts my attention, I'll post just to piss these guys off. That's why I do it. Because I'm in a good mood that day, I go in there and I start trouble."
His original post was on something awful, that says enough for me.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Information is only as good as the source so you should care.
Exactly, but they don't care, the information is what they want to hear, so nothing else matters.
I don't understand the point you're trying to make, the only information he posted was asking for more information on certain aspects of game & business decisions that have been made upto this point, wanting more clarification and information about state of the game / heading of the game and staffing choices. anything todo with money etc.. comes under business decisions so i chose to leave out the offshore account deal.
Firstly how can you not understand what that point was? Information is only as good as the messenger, that's an age old saying... with a simple meaning...
Secondly...He did far more than that.... He said the game would never get made, it's impossible to make..ETC he later went on to breakdown everything he said in a way that makes CIG look like straight up crooks.
information is only as good as the validity of the message (and the claims and demands being made are valid)... has nothing to do with the messenger, thats a ridiculous way of thinking.
Do you actually know anything about Derek Smart prior to this? IF you don't, it's understandable you'd think the messenger doesn't matter at all in this...If you do....
i've read every post in the thread, followed all the smear links and still have no qualms about who wrote the article, because the message still remains true.
If i was a vested interest in the game with money out of my pocket.
*The game has missed deadlines
*The game has abandoned modules
*The game has made questionable staffing choices
etc... I would be demanding answers also, regardless of who started it, i too would want answers.
Edit - from the person who originally posted that quote it was made 10 years ago in 2005... it's hardly relevant to points being made which are true in fact and need answering.
Information is only as good as the source so you should care.
Exactly, but they don't care, the information is what they want to hear, so nothing else matters.
I don't understand the point you're trying to make, the only information he posted was asking for more information on certain aspects of game & business decisions that have been made upto this point, wanting more clarification and information about state of the game / heading of the game and staffing choices. anything todo with money etc.. comes under business decisions so i chose to leave out the offshore account deal.
Firstly how can you not understand what that point was? Information is only as good as the messenger, that's an age old saying... with a simple meaning...
Secondly...He did far more than that.... He said the game would never get made, it's impossible to make..ETC he later went on to breakdown everything he said in a way that makes CIG look like straight up crooks.
information is only as good as the validity of the message (and the claims and demands being made are valid)... has nothing to do with the messenger, thats a ridiculous way of thinking.
Do you actually know anything about Derek Smart prior to this? IF you don't, it's understandable you'd think the messenger doesn't matter at all in this...If you do....
i've read every post in the thread, followed all the smear links and still have no qualms about who wrote the article, because the message still remains true.
If i was a vested interest in the game with money out of my pocket.
*The game has missed deadlines
*The game has abandoned modules
*The game has made questionable staffing choices
etc... I would be demanding answers also, regardless of who started it, i too would want answers.
WHat about the rest? "It's impossible and will never be made"?
@your edit, you think that's a solitary event? This guy has been doing just that for years.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Information is only as good as the source so you should care.
Exactly, but they don't care, the information is what they want to hear, so nothing else matters.
I don't understand the point you're trying to make, the only information he posted was asking for more information on certain aspects of game & business decisions that have been made upto this point, wanting more clarification and information about state of the game / heading of the game and staffing choices. anything todo with money etc.. comes under business decisions so i chose to leave out the offshore account deal.
Firstly how can you not understand what that point was? Information is only as good as the messenger, that's an age old saying... with a simple meaning...
Secondly...He did far more than that.... He said the game would never get made, it's impossible to make..ETC he later went on to breakdown everything he said in a way that makes CIG look like straight up crooks.
information is only as good as the validity of the message (and the claims and demands being made are valid)... has nothing to do with the messenger, thats a ridiculous way of thinking.
Do you actually know anything about Derek Smart prior to this? IF you don't, it's understandable you'd think the messenger doesn't matter at all in this...If you do....
i've read every post in the thread, followed all the smear links and still have no qualms about who wrote the article, because the message still remains true.
If i was a vested interest in the game with money out of my pocket.
*The game has missed deadlines
*The game has abandoned modules
*The game has made questionable staffing choices
etc... I would be demanding answers also, regardless of who started it, i too would want answers.
WHat about the rest? "It's impossible and will never be made"?
@your edit, you think that's a solitary event? This guy has been doing just that for years.
still does not matter if he's been doing it for years.
In this case he is bringing up points for questions that people want answered and that's all that matters.
Edit - just noticed your edit, in response to him saying "it's impossible to make" well prove him wrong.. so far all they've made themselves look like their doing is running and hiding because the game is proving to be more impossible to make than they thought... they've released nothing of substance and continue to just release more crowd fuinding material instead of anything substantial... personally, it's looking like a whole lot of vaporware from my opinion and they're doing very little except silencing the one guy who stood up to ask the big questions... got no repsonses first and then went public about it.
This could have been easily damage controlled if they had of got back to him with something.. anything, instead he got complete silence and went vocal still asking the question despite things like this happening.
Information is only as good as the source so you should care.
Exactly, but they don't care, the information is what they want to hear, so nothing else matters.
I don't understand the point you're trying to make, the only information he posted was asking for more information on certain aspects of game & business decisions that have been made upto this point, wanting more clarification and information about state of the game / heading of the game and staffing choices. anything todo with money etc.. comes under business decisions so i chose to leave out the offshore account deal.
Firstly how can you not understand what that point was? Information is only as good as the messenger, that's an age old saying... with a simple meaning...
Secondly...He did far more than that.... He said the game would never get made, it's impossible to make..ETC he later went on to breakdown everything he said in a way that makes CIG look like straight up crooks.
information is only as good as the validity of the message (and the claims and demands being made are valid)... has nothing to do with the messenger, thats a ridiculous way of thinking.
Do you actually know anything about Derek Smart prior to this? IF you don't, it's understandable you'd think the messenger doesn't matter at all in this...If you do....
i've read every post in the thread, followed all the smear links and still have no qualms about who wrote the article, because the message still remains true.
If i was a vested interest in the game with money out of my pocket.
*The game has missed deadlines
*The game has abandoned modules
*The game has made questionable staffing choices
etc... I would be demanding answers also, regardless of who started it, i too would want answers.
WHat about the rest? "It's impossible and will never be made"?
@your edit, you think that's a solitary event? This guy has been doing just that for years.
still does not matter if he's been doing it for years.
In this case he is bringing up points for questions that people want answered and that's all that matters.
Edit - just noticed your edit, in response to him saying "it's impossible to make" well prove him wrong.. so far all they've made themselves look like their doing is running and hiding because the game is proving to be more impossible to make than they thought... they've released nothing of substance and continue to just release more crowd fuinding material instead of anything substantial... personally, it's looking like a whole lot of vaporware from my opinion and they're doing very little except silencing the one guy who stood up to ask the big questions... got no repsonses first and then went public about it.
This could have been easily damage controlled if they had of got back to him with something.. anything, instead he got complete silence and went vocal still asking the question despite things like this happening.
Don't you love the twisted logic where the validity of a question is determined by who asked it. The real sad part is just from my casual awareness of this topic is that it took Mr. Smart (care less who he is or what he's done) for CIG to even start addressing the backers issues.
Information is only as good as the source so you should care.
Exactly, but they don't care, the information is what they want to hear, so nothing else matters.
I don't understand the point you're trying to make, the only information he posted was asking for more information on certain aspects of game & business decisions that have been made upto this point, wanting more clarification and information about state of the game / heading of the game and staffing choices. anything todo with money etc.. comes under business decisions so i chose to leave out the offshore account deal.
Firstly how can you not understand what that point was? Information is only as good as the messenger, that's an age old saying... with a simple meaning...
Secondly...He did far more than that.... He said the game would never get made, it's impossible to make..ETC he later went on to breakdown everything he said in a way that makes CIG look like straight up crooks.
information is only as good as the validity of the message (and the claims and demands being made are valid)... has nothing to do with the messenger, thats a ridiculous way of thinking.
Do you actually know anything about Derek Smart prior to this? IF you don't, it's understandable you'd think the messenger doesn't matter at all in this...If you do....
i've read every post in the thread, followed all the smear links and still have no qualms about who wrote the article, because the message still remains true.
If i was a vested interest in the game with money out of my pocket.
*The game has missed deadlines
*The game has abandoned modules
*The game has made questionable staffing choices
etc... I would be demanding answers also, regardless of who started it, i too would want answers.
WHat about the rest? "It's impossible and will never be made"?
@your edit, you think that's a solitary event? This guy has been doing just that for years.
still does not matter if he's been doing it for years.
In this case he is bringing up points for questions that people want answered and that's all that matters.
Edit - just noticed your edit, in response to him saying "it's impossible to make" well prove him wrong.. so far all they've made themselves look like their doing is running and hiding because the game is proving to be more impossible to make than they thought... they've released nothing of substance and continue to just release more crowd fuinding material instead of anything substantial... personally, it's looking like a whole lot of vaporware from my opinion and they're doing very little except silencing the one guy who stood up to ask the big questions... got no repsonses first and then went public about it.
This could have been easily damage controlled if they had of got back to him with something.. anything, instead he got complete silence and went vocal still asking the question despite things like this happening.
Don't you love the twisted logic where the validity of a question is determined by who asked it. The real sad part is just from my casual awareness of this topic is that it took Mr. Smart (care less who he is or what he's done) for CIG to even start addressing the backers issues.
exactly my point.. it took someone with noteriety to actually start getting answers, it's caused more people to stand up and do the same hopefully people can start to see some results of his work regardless of who asked the questions.
still does not matter if he's been doing it for years.
In this case he is bringing up points for questions that people want answered and that's all that matters.
Why do you keep ignoring the part that shows this guy is doing far more than ask the same questions everyone else is? (didn't see your edit above)
He is trying to pass this game off as being a lost cause, he is trying to get people behind that idea, there's a clear agenda there, maybe you didn't read far enough or enough in general, but he makes his real intent plainly obvious. He says flat out this game is impossible to make. He can't also help but mention "I made this game years ago" over and over afterward.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Don't you love the twisted logic where the validity of a question is determined by who asked it. The real sad part is just from my casual awareness of this topic is that it took Mr. Smart (care less who he is or what he's done) for CIG to even start addressing the backers issues.
exactly my point.. it took someone with noteriety to actually start getting answers, it's caused more people to stand up and do the same hopefully people can start to see some results of his work regardless of who asked the questions.
What specifically have they addressed?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
If you have any sort of legal agreement between you and someone who is verbally trashing you and/or your game, it is best to terminate any agreement, including something as simple as a kickstarter pledge.
information is only as good as the validity of the message (and the claims and demands being made are valid)... has nothing to do with the messenger, thats a ridiculous way of thinking.
I think it's a mistake to think that the messenger might not have ulterior motives that cause them to couch the message in such a way as to support their desires.
I think it's equally erroneous to discount the message because of who the messenger is.
But enough about how every Star Citizen thread devolves into "Derek Smart is a Jerk/Doesn't mean he's wrong".
The thing that bothers me the most is that this is effectively what CIG said:
We don't like what you're saying, so we are terminating our business contract with you.
This is the sort of message that can make people think twice about voicing dissent, even if it is criticism which is warranted, or negative feedback that will ultimately improve the product. That is what I meant by saying that I think it's a mistake to silence your critics.
The thing that bothers me the most is that this is effectively what CIG said:
We don't like what you're saying, so we are terminating our business contract with you.
This is the sort of message that can make people think twice about voicing dissent, even if it is criticism which is warranted, or negative feedback that will ultimately improve the product. That is what I meant by saying that I think it's a mistake to silence your critics.
It's more like CIG said:
You are actively trying to hurt our product, so we are terminating our business contract with you.
This seems entirely reasonable to me from a business stand point.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
information is only as good as the validity of the message (and the claims and demands being made are valid)... has nothing to do with the messenger, thats a ridiculous way of thinking.
I think it's a mistake to think that the messenger might not have ulterior motives that cause them to couch the message in such a way as to support their desires.
I think it's equally erroneous to discount the message because of who the messenger is.
But enough about how every Star Citizen thread devolves into "Derek Smart is a Jerk/Doesn't mean he's wrong".
The thing that bothers me the most is that this is effectively what CIG said:
We don't like what you're saying, so we are terminating our business contract with you.
This is the sort of message that can make people think twice about voicing dissent, even if it is criticism which is warranted, or negative feedback that will ultimately improve the product. That is what I meant by saying that I think it's a mistake to silence your critics.
That's where I differ I look at it more as them saying, we'd rather just give you your money back rather than have you use it to launch a campaign against us. He has no claim to entitlement afterward to use from his soapbox, that's basic image protection. He can continue to preach his message, it just doesn't have as much sting when they've already said, well here's your money back... It doesn't work the same for the common guy sadly we soapbox but we don't have a soapbox..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
still does not matter if he's been doing it for years.
In this case he is bringing up points for questions that people want answered and that's all that matters.
This could have been easily damage controlled if they had of got back to him with something.. anything, instead he got complete silence and went vocal still asking the question despite things like this happening.
Does it matter that he doesn't live up to the standard he's holding others to? Or is does it only matter that he's saying what you want to hear.
Now you're the one making stuff up to suit your own agenda. It's easy to make that mistake isn't it. He isn't silenced. He's no longer welcome as their customer. He can and does post on his blog, twitter, and any other place that will let him stir up his muck.
no it doesn't matter if he doesnt live upto the standards because it's not his game under scrutiny.. the fact is the questions need to be answered and he asked them.
We are seriously going to figure out a new material to make the bats out of that people keep beating this dead horse with. They've gotta be starting to splinter and fray.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
Originally posted by Hrimnir We are seriously going to figure out a new material to make the bats out of that people keep beating this dead horse with. They've gotta be starting to splinter and fray.
Phonibolognium. It's what they use to reinforce Donald Trump's hairdo.
I find it funny that those here who support him, are claiming that it's not right to take his past into account when considering his message. Try actually reading his "articles". All he does is reference his past games and uses it as a pulpit to hawk his crap. Not that we needed any sort of justification for taking his past into account, but HE is the one who is using it in his argument. His past is entirely fair game.
Originally posted by screecwe I find it funny that those here who support him, are claiming that it's not right to take his past into account when considering his message. Try actually reading his "articles". All he does is reference his past games and uses it as a pulpit to hawk his crap. Not that we needed any sort of justification for taking his past into account, but HE is the one who is using it in his argument. His past is entirely fair game.
And does his past make him any less right? People have been asking the same questions he asked now for quite some time now.
As one person said, does is past make hot water any less hot or cold water any less cold?
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
They refunded his money and basically removed any and all legal precedence he had. Since he no longer has any money at stake in this project he an no longer complain about its progress or attack them without making himself look like an idiot and he can no longer make any demands of them or pursue any legal action against them should he have felt the need to do so.
They refunded his money and basically removed any and all legal precedence he had. Since he no longer has any money at stake in this project he an no longer complain about its progress or attack them without making himself look like an idiot and he can no longer make any demands of them or pursue any legal action against them should he have felt the need to do so.
They definitely won this match.
They actually shot themselves in the foot, leg and crotch.
He can still complain about the game since you don't need to be a backer to do that. He can still make demands of them in terms of asking where the money is going but they can ignore him but that won't stop others from asking the same questions (and getting the same silent treatment).
He may not be able to pursue legal action against them for himself but that doesn't mean he can't organize a class action or any other legal action. Derek has said multiple times he also doesn't care what other people think of him so giving him back his money won't stop the criticism from him and he wont care if people think he looks like an idiot.
Also by doing this they lent some credibility to his claims that the game will not be released as promised if it is released at all. If they wanted to shut him up then they should have showed footage of game development progressing. He could complain it is late but he would need to admit defeat.
If this were a boxing match, CIG just punched themselves in the face.
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Well congrats on being the first person I've ever seen claim to like one of his games:) each to their own and all... The point was he is really no better than the picture he's trying to paint of CIG. SC could be just as bad as his games for all I know, yet I'm not going to take a guy who's been trying to make such a game for decades, at face value in saying it's impossible. For him maybe, for folks with real programming skill... he wouldn't know. Universal Combat was the most shoddy game I've ever tried, and I did Stargate online pre-alpha testing mind you. There were no redeeming qualities to it, even movement was a chore.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
No he didnt. - He never told anyone to file lawsuits or contact the FTC
"4.setup a page offering refunds to all those who REQUEST it. The TOS is going to be the first thing attacked in any lawsuit. It is not likely to survive a legal challenge. Plus, the FTC will trump all that crap anyway, so there is that."
he demanded a page be setup where people can get refunds, becuse if lawsuits happened the TOS won't survive and more on point the FTC would trump the TOS anyway.
you're just trying to put things said in context to help your argument, not how they were actually said.
Firstly how can you not understand what that point was? Information is only as good as the messenger, that's an age old saying... with a simple meaning...
Secondly...He did far more than that.... He said the game would never get made, it's impossible to make..ETC he later went on to breakdown everything he said in a way that makes CIG look like straight up crooks. I literally just reading his full posts/blogs.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
information is only as good as the validity of the message (and the claims and demands being made are valid)... has nothing to do with the messenger, thats a ridiculous way of thinking.
Do you actually know anything about Derek Smart prior to this? IF you don't, it's understandable you'd think the messenger doesn't matter at all in this...If you do....
Here's a direct quote for you..
"Sometimes when I get online, and it's quiet, and I see something that attracts my attention, I'll post just to piss these guys off. That's why I do it. Because I'm in a good mood that day, I go in there and I start trouble."
His original post was on something awful, that says enough for me.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
i've read every post in the thread, followed all the smear links and still have no qualms about who wrote the article, because the message still remains true.
If i was a vested interest in the game with money out of my pocket.
*The game has missed deadlines
*The game has abandoned modules
*The game has made questionable staffing choices
etc... I would be demanding answers also, regardless of who started it, i too would want answers.
Edit - from the person who originally posted that quote it was made 10 years ago in 2005... it's hardly relevant to points being made which are true in fact and need answering.
WHat about the rest? "It's impossible and will never be made"?
@your edit, you think that's a solitary event? This guy has been doing just that for years.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
still does not matter if he's been doing it for years.
In this case he is bringing up points for questions that people want answered and that's all that matters.
Edit - just noticed your edit, in response to him saying "it's impossible to make" well prove him wrong.. so far all they've made themselves look like their doing is running and hiding because the game is proving to be more impossible to make than they thought... they've released nothing of substance and continue to just release more crowd fuinding material instead of anything substantial... personally, it's looking like a whole lot of vaporware from my opinion and they're doing very little except silencing the one guy who stood up to ask the big questions... got no repsonses first and then went public about it.
This could have been easily damage controlled if they had of got back to him with something.. anything, instead he got complete silence and went vocal still asking the question despite things like this happening.
Don't you love the twisted logic where the validity of a question is determined by who asked it. The real sad part is just from my casual awareness of this topic is that it took Mr. Smart (care less who he is or what he's done) for CIG to even start addressing the backers issues.
exactly my point.. it took someone with noteriety to actually start getting answers, it's caused more people to stand up and do the same hopefully people can start to see some results of his work regardless of who asked the questions.
Why do you keep ignoring the part that shows this guy is doing far more than ask the same questions everyone else is? (didn't see your edit above)
He is trying to pass this game off as being a lost cause, he is trying to get people behind that idea, there's a clear agenda there, maybe you didn't read far enough or enough in general, but he makes his real intent plainly obvious. He says flat out this game is impossible to make. He can't also help but mention "I made this game years ago" over and over afterward.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
What specifically have they addressed?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
I think it's a mistake to think that the messenger might not have ulterior motives that cause them to couch the message in such a way as to support their desires.
I think it's equally erroneous to discount the message because of who the messenger is.
But enough about how every Star Citizen thread devolves into "Derek Smart is a Jerk/Doesn't mean he's wrong".
The thing that bothers me the most is that this is effectively what CIG said:
We don't like what you're saying, so we are terminating our business contract with you.
This is the sort of message that can make people think twice about voicing dissent, even if it is criticism which is warranted, or negative feedback that will ultimately improve the product. That is what I meant by saying that I think it's a mistake to silence your critics.
It's more like CIG said:
You are actively trying to hurt our product, so we are terminating our business contract with you.
This seems entirely reasonable to me from a business stand point.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
That's where I differ I look at it more as them saying, we'd rather just give you your money back rather than have you use it to launch a campaign against us. He has no claim to entitlement afterward to use from his soapbox, that's basic image protection. He can continue to preach his message, it just doesn't have as much sting when they've already said, well here's your money back... It doesn't work the same for the common guy sadly we soapbox but we don't have a soapbox..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
no it doesn't matter if he doesnt live upto the standards because it's not his game under scrutiny.. the fact is the questions need to be answered and he asked them.
That is all.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
Phonibolognium. It's what they use to reinforce Donald Trump's hairdo.
And does his past make him any less right? People have been asking the same questions he asked now for quite some time now.
As one person said, does is past make hot water any less hot or cold water any less cold?
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
What they did was clever.
They refunded his money and basically removed any and all legal precedence he had. Since he no longer has any money at stake in this project he an no longer complain about its progress or attack them without making himself look like an idiot and he can no longer make any demands of them or pursue any legal action against them should he have felt the need to do so.
They definitely won this match.
They shouldn't do that.
It is a kickstarter. They give him money to start a product. What if everyone demands a refund? He goes bankrupt.
They gave him the money. It wasn't a loan.
It wasn't buying a finished product with 'not satisfied? Money back guaranteed' stipulation. The backers weren't buying shares.
They gave him money to persue his dream of creating SC.
Don't like the product anymore? Too bad.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
They actually shot themselves in the foot, leg and crotch.
He can still complain about the game since you don't need to be a backer to do that. He can still make demands of them in terms of asking where the money is going but they can ignore him but that won't stop others from asking the same questions (and getting the same silent treatment).
He may not be able to pursue legal action against them for himself but that doesn't mean he can't organize a class action or any other legal action. Derek has said multiple times he also doesn't care what other people think of him so giving him back his money won't stop the criticism from him and he wont care if people think he looks like an idiot.
Also by doing this they lent some credibility to his claims that the game will not be released as promised if it is released at all. If they wanted to shut him up then they should have showed footage of game development progressing. He could complain it is late but he would need to admit defeat.
If this were a boxing match, CIG just punched themselves in the face.
this video says all that needs to be said about derek smart...
and is also why I will never....ever....care about anything this guys says.