Your posts do nothing but distract and deflect from the matter at hand. For the hundredth time, this is not about DSmart.
I see you missed my edit, would have saved you a bunch of words...This thread is about peoples opinions on CIG cutting ties with him, That's all I've offered my take on... IE why that's probably good for CIG, which is due to how he has acted in the past. There are plenty of threads about backer concerns.
... and you have been very consistent, and just as steadfast, against DSmart's assertions and in your defense for CIG in all of those other threads as well.
Your posts do nothing but distract and deflect from the matter at hand. For the hundredth time, this is not about DSmart.
I see you missed my edit, would have saved you a bunch of words...This thread is about peoples opinions on CIG cutting ties with him, That's all I've offered my take on... IE why that's probably good for CIG, which is due to how he has acted in the past. There are plenty of threads about backer concerns.
... and you have been very consistent, and just as steadfast, against DSmart's assertions and in your defense for CIG in all of those other threads as well.
Defense of CIG? I rarely post on these topics, care to elaborate?
Folks like this are exactly why I try and stay away from those topics, your agenda turns everyone into an enemy. I have no problem with your concerns, nor do i have a problem with Kickstarters, CIG etc... I have no bone in the race. I just share my opinion as the topic comes up, which all I remember ever saying about SC is I'll wait to see what happens.
The only assertion of Derek Smarts I even recall mentioning is his statement about the game being impossible to make...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
This is very much about Smart. He has a vendetta against Chris Roberts and SC. HE can sugarcoat however he wants and try and deflect attention from it, he attacks the project whilst heavliy pushing his own current flop/mess of a game.
I also find it ironic he complains about how CIG has terminated business with him and refunded his money when stuff like this is out there:
Your posts do nothing but distract and deflect from the matter at hand. For the hundredth time, this is not about DSmart.
I see you missed my edit, would have saved you a bunch of words...This thread is about peoples opinions on CIG cutting ties with him, That's all I've offered my take on... IE why that's probably good for CIG, which is due to how he has acted in the past. There are plenty of threads about backer concerns.
... and you have been very consistent, and just as steadfast, against DSmart's assertions and in your defense for CIG in all of those other threads as well.
Defense of CIG? I rarely post on these topics, care to elaborate?
Folks like this are exactly why I try and stay away from these topics, your agenda turns everyone into an enemy. I have no problem with your concerns, nor do i have a problem with Kickstarters, CIG etc... I have no bone in the race. I just share my opinion as the topic comes up, which all I remember ever saying about SC is I'll wait to see what happens.
Nevermind. My issues are with CIG and their lack of accountability and transparency in this matter. I have no interest in derailing or re-directing my efforts into a personal debate bearing no relevance on the matter. You are entitled to your own opinions and beliefs.
Nevermind. My issues are with CIG and their lack of accountability and transparency in this matter. I have no interest in derailing or re-directing my efforts into a personal debate bearing no relevance on the matter. You are entitled to your own opinions and beliefs.
Fair enough..Just for the record I have no intention to thwart your efforts. I don't have a black pointy or curled moustache .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
This is very much about Smart. He has a vendetta against Chris Roberts and SC. HE can sugarcoat however he wants and try and deflect attention from it, he attacks the project whilst heavliy pushing his own current flop/mess of a game.
I also find it ironic he complains about how CIG has terminated business with him and refunded his money when stuff like this is out there:
He's a toxic individual and is simply out for his own gain - not for the benefit of gamers.
Nice try. Difference being that I have never - ever - posted on their forum. Period. I haven't committed ANY offense that requires banning, or any such action.
Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living. If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead ...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them.
This is very much about Smart. He has a vendetta against Chris Roberts and SC. HE can sugarcoat however he wants and try and deflect attention from it, he attacks the project whilst heavliy pushing his own current flop/mess of a game.
I also find it ironic he complains about how CIG has terminated business with him and refunded his money when stuff like this is out there:
He's a toxic individual and is simply out for his own gain - not for the benefit of gamers.
Nice try. Difference being that I have never - ever - posted on their forum. Period. I haven't committed ANY offense that requires banning, or any such action.
And nothing there mentions about how your banning actions relate just to forums, you're bitching about people attacking your game so you'll ban them. At least CIG have been decent and given you your money back.
You're an odious reptile who damages gaming more than anyone in the industry. You are a blight sir and one that needs removing from the gaming community permanently.
How does this punch bowl turd actually still have any form of voice on stuff like this?
You nerds and your hate boners over stuff like this just need to gtfo.
Maybe it's because while other companies are putting out reports like this, CIG, in this instance, appears more concerned with who and who doesn't get to play their imaginary game (I'm not saying it was the wrong move, but it sure didn't help their public image).
The interesting stuff begins on page 21. Tell me, how much did Roberts pay himself last year?
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar Authored 139 missions in VendettaOnline and 6 tracks in Distance
And seriously, you've done nothing but make noisy threats about taking action against CIG this being your latest:
Kindly put up or shut the hell up. Let everyone see this 'strongly worded letter' - you keep championing openness.
They also haven't lied the post Ben put up simply stated: We refunded Mr. Smart’s package because he was using Star Citizen as a platform to gain attention as part of a campaign to promote his ‘Line of Defense’ space game.
They didn't mention the forums - they are bang on the money that you have utilised your attacks on the project in the interest of promoting your 'game'
I need to give credit to Derek Smart. He knows how to create flamewar.
In all honesty, if I had a company and someone started doing what Derek Smart has done, I too would cut any ties with him. In fact, I think anyone or any company would.
I had a small conversation with Derek on other topics and although he does make some valid points, he chooses to discard any other arguments contrary to his logic. Basically it is hard to reason with him.
As much as some want to make this a one side vs the other discussion, truth is things aren't that simple.
I've backed Star Citizen in the initial campaign. I support the vision but I'm not blind.
I know the risks and I know it is important to keep some healthy pressure. In fact, it very important to keep a watchful eye and remain in contact with CIG.
But as someone that has backed other crowdfunding projects and has an interest on how game development works, I must say there is little reason to accuse CIG of wrongdoing.
The reasons are quite simple:
- The most important reason. SC full development started in 2013. This game has been in full development for 2,5 years.
During this time they built a company as big as the biggest AAA studios out there. And if you actually do your homework, you'll see that they are working with top talent and top 3rd party companies. They even hired the best motion capture studio "The Imaginarium" to assist them with that aspect of the game.
Does this seem like a company that doesn't want to build the product they promised?
I think no one can accuse them of that.
- Yes there are delays. Yes some internal modules have been delayed due to technical issues. Yes, public figures in the project have left to do other stuff.
But all of the above happens in any development project. Almost every project suffers similar issues. The only reason why we discuss this is because SC development is open and very public.
This is not new. Other crowdfunding projects suffered delays. In fact almost all crowdfunding projects miss their release date. SC is no different. Pillars Of Eternity, Broken Age and so on. Almost all of the top KS game projects were released more than a year later then schedule.
But the fact that we know what is going on is an advantage and I think people are missing the point here.
Back in January, CIG showed their 2015 roadmap. They didn't hide from it and think about it. By doing that they took a risk.
This is open development. They had problem solving certain issues and tried to explain them to their investors.
Now we all have two choices. Will we be Ubisoft and pressure them to rush the game development and release a game full of bugs like AC Unity or will we be CD Projekt Red or Obsidian and release The Witcher 3 and Pillars Of Eternity one or two years later?
What people need ot ask themselves is this simply question. Ok, they are behind on schedule. They have some issues to address. But have they quit the job or are they still building the game?
Let me make it clear. I'm not saying people shouldn't be concerned. That we shouldn't ask about the development status. Quite the contrary. What I'm saying is that given the fact that they update their website with news on the game progress every week. That they show what their building as they are building it and interact with the community every day I think some of accusations are unfair as literally no one else has developed a game in such an open matter as they have.
True, no one else has 900.000+ people that backed $85 Million to build the game.
What I do think, is that some of the concerns come from the fact that some people don't watch Around The Verse. Reverse The Verse and other community shows posted every week on the website.
If they did, they would watch developers talking about their progress. What they are working on at the moment and so on.
To those that aren't really following this project that much. In every Around The Verse episode, each studio working on SC explains to the community what they've been working on during that week.
Long post. As I read what I just wrote it seems like I'm defending them but I'm not. I'm an investor and I want a return on investment. As a previous poster mentions. CIG is responsible for accomplishing the promise they made.
But the game has been in development for 2,5 years. I don't expect miracles taken that most games of this scale take at least 4-5 years to make. Perhaps they would have delivered it if it was a smaller scale game but then again the majority does want a top quality AAA game and that takes more than a couple of years to build.
For now I will wait. If by 2016 there is little progress on the project, perhaps we should start asking more serious questions.
But right now, they have multiple studios working on the game. Give them the required time to build a top game like The Witcher 3 instead of a mess of a game like AC Unity.
Hey Derek, about refunds, maybe Chris thought, to quote yourself.
"People like you, who think that what you're doing, saying, is normal, are the reason that game communities fall apart, are fragmented and completely disruptive.
I simply do NOT want money from those people because it's like taking blood money and turning a blind eye because money is nice to have while compromising your own very values and self-respect."
You have to also take into account that, for any subscriber, up until the recent crunch you could contact the CSR's at CIG and say "hey I'm in Austin/ L.A., for a bit is there a time I can swing by the studios for a tour between x day and y day." If there was a day they set you up with a tour. So yeah, you're hard pressed to find sub level backers that believe there is a lack of transparency in CIG. As for the rest there is a horde of people saying it's to opaque.
Me I've stopped putting money in, but I'm not pulling my money out. If I want out I've enough limited run lti ships to turn a profit before I go, but again I've little interest in doing that. I figured out pretty early the windows were far to hopeful. CR wanted to use the limited lobby system built into the engine to do stuff. If he was limiting instance numbers to a dozen people or so it was a fine idea. When he said hundreds it was going to need reworking. Target numbers don't get hit, delays happen. You can either get out your pitchforks and scream and yell or wait to see why and see if it's honest.
Right now you get weekly updates of why the fps is not out yet, you get monthly what we did this month updates. Subs get jump points with more crap they are working on stuff in it. If it's all smoke and mirrors it's still a lot of freaking work for that smoke. I'd rather wait and see than try to burn the world down before it comes to it.
This is very much about Smart. He has a vendetta against Chris Roberts and SC. HE can sugarcoat however he wants and try and deflect attention from it, he attacks the project whilst heavliy pushing his own current flop/mess of a game.
I also find it ironic he complains about how CIG has terminated business with him and refunded his money when stuff like this is out there:
Nice try. Difference being that I have never - ever - posted on their forum. Period. I haven't committed ANY offense that requires banning, or any such action.
Well you said it yourself ..."Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living. If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead ...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them."
Don't be coy you know very well that any company is going to do whatever they can, to keep a known disruption away from every day business. Especially a disruption that has eyes set on ruining your Company. That's nothing more than survival instinct kicking in. That's basically where you're at at this point, you have every right to take such a stand, but don't play innocent of the inevitable fallout of that stand.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
This is very much about Smart. He has a vendetta against Chris Roberts and SC. HE can sugarcoat however he wants and try and deflect attention from it, he attacks the project whilst heavliy pushing his own current flop/mess of a game.
I also find it ironic he complains about how CIG has terminated business with him and refunded his money when stuff like this is out there:
He's a toxic individual and is simply out for his own gain - not for the benefit of gamers.
Nice try. Difference being that I have never - ever - posted on their forum. Period. I haven't committed ANY offense that requires banning, or any such action.
And nothing there mentions about how your banning actions relate just to forums, you're bitching about people attacking your game so you'll ban them. At least CIG have been decent and given you your money back.
You're an odious reptile who damages gaming more than anyone in the industry. You are a blight sir and one that needs removing from the gaming community permanently.
Sorry, you don't get to re-write the facts. This is what they stated to PC Gamer. It's false. Andy Chalk has since confirmed to me that it's false because they already told him that THIS was NOT the reason for my account being closed.
"It was obvious he was not a supporter of our project and was just using our visibility as a platform to gain attention and promote his current game and his past games," a Cloud Imperium Games rep explained in an email. "We have strict rules about people using our forums and chat for self-promotion and it was clear that he didn’t care about the project, or the backers, or a good game being made. He was just trying to create a huge fuss to make himself relevant at a lot of other people's expense and distress. So we enacted our rights through Kickstarter (that we also have on our own TOS) and refunded him and turned his account off."
Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living. If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead ...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them.
This is very much about Smart. He has a vendetta against Chris Roberts and SC. HE can sugarcoat however he wants and try and deflect attention from it, he attacks the project whilst heavliy pushing his own current flop/mess of a game.
I also find it ironic he complains about how CIG has terminated business with him and refunded his money when stuff like this is out there:
He's a toxic individual and is simply out for his own gain - not for the benefit of gamers.
Nice try. Difference being that I have never - ever - posted on their forum. Period. I haven't committed ANY offense that requires banning, or any such action.
And nothing there mentions about how your banning actions relate just to forums, you're bitching about people attacking your game so you'll ban them. At least CIG have been decent and given you your money back.
You're an odious reptile who damages gaming more than anyone in the industry. You are a blight sir and one that needs removing from the gaming community permanently.
Sorry, you don't get to re-write the facts. This is what they stated to PC Gamer. It's false. Andy Chalk has since confirmed to me that it's false because they already told him that THIS was NOT the reason for my account being closed.
"It was obvious he was not a supporter of our project and was just using our visibility as a platform to gain attention and promote his current game and his past games," a Cloud Imperium Games rep explained in an email. "We have strict rules about people using our forums and chat for self-promotion and it was clear that he didn’t care about the project, or the backers, or a good game being made. He was just trying to create a huge fuss to make himself relevant at a lot of other people's expense and distress. So we enacted our rights through Kickstarter (that we also have on our own TOS) and refunded him and turned his account off."
Well here we are again, seems you have some people fooled that haven't been around long enough to see right through you. Either way, history repeating itself, Derek Smart is NOT happy and will enjoy playing the victim no matter what it takes. Well good luck with this endeavour, may it be prosperous and fruitful for your reigning success.
Originally posted by Kyleran Yeah, they just made him relevant again.
HAHA, I'll just repost this...
"Sometimes when I get online, and it's quiet, and I see something that attracts my attention, I'll post just to piss these guys off. That's why I do it. Because I'm in a good mood that day, I go in there and I start trouble." Derek Smart....
The guy is an attention whore, he would do nothing but use that pledge as his proverbial lighting rod to cause a scene..... Come on now. They took away his crutch..
Two 150 post threads, he's responding directly again, interviewed by PCGamer and conversations with many more.
Yes, he has now come back into relevance, and this action just fuels the fires, you'll see, other backers will agree with him in the near future.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Any way... This is basic Customer Service 101. Remove the platform of the offending party as the repeated dmeanding will just cost more.
Did that a few times back in my days as a telecom CSR... Nothing as nice as just pulling the plug on a nimrod customer and telling them that they are never again welcome. Then you wait until the first second of argumentation over the "never welcome again" part... Wish them a "underbar dag" and terminate the call.
It is pure fnk bliss.
Btw for all it is worth... I agree with the "worries" D.S have... What i dislike is that he makes it sound like some revolutionary discovery... When most of us have raised the same concerns since.. well.. day one.
You see. No game the RSi make will ever live up to the game the backers have built in their mind.
I have been following many a thread on the Internet since this shit-storm started. I knew, going in, that this is precisely what would happen once I raised these points. And because it's me raising the alarm, the attacks would be fast, and furious.
No one is attacking you personally, the fact that you knew this would be the case says it all really. It shows you know the reputation you've made for yourself. You essentially did the same thing to David Braben or anyone else who has made a successful Space-sim like Homeworld. You can't help but drag them through the mud...We're supposed to forget all of that though right?
SO again these aren't personal attacks, it's simply taking into account what your track record is. Maybe you should have thought about that before doing as you did in the past?
I don't take anything away from backers who would like more transparency, that's completely understandable. Hell I'll even say good on you if you help in that, that still doesn't mean your intentions are/were in the right place. There are just too many instances of you tearing down other products to promote your own.
All you have done are personal attacks, you have yet to address what he said. Its almost like you are unable to address the points he makes, I wonder why that is...
A personal attack would be more than bringing up his tendencies. I don't address the points he made because, they may be accurate, these same points have been raised by many others over the course of this games development or lack there of... I don't have a problem with that aspect of this, I just question his motives, which i do not feel based on his past are for the greater good. Anyone with a name can get people behind them by simply repeating their concerns, good intention or not.
Like I said, you are unable to address his points. So all you do is attack him.
Originally posted by TorvalI don't think it's dangerous or a precedent at all. Business I have worked for have, without prior warning to the customer, stopped business with them and refunded their entire payment. Some customers are bad for your business. It's better that they go elsewhere.Derek Smart got what he had coming. As an industry insider (I know that's a stretch) and a public figure his criticism of the company, the message, and the way it was delivered is such that this shouldn't be unexpected.I applaud CIG for both refunding and for sending that message.
But if the customer was released from their business agreement (presumably) because they thought said business was operating in a corrupt fashion, then we're back to the Appearance of Impropriety again.
Whether they intended to or not, in the common man's mind, they have lent some air of credibility to Smart's claims by unexpectedly dropping him as a customer.
All it really shows is that they don't want his money, at least to me.. Which I viewed what he did as grandstanding atop a glass house, no more no less. I'm sure anyone who has a picture they want to paint of the situation could brush it with a number of broad strokes. The problem for me is there are far too many agendas in regard to discussion on this game, folks who don't like CR, folks who don't like Crowd Funding, the vaporware crowd, that's excluding the usual groups surrounding typical MMO discussion...etc..etc..etc...
AT this point it's hard to expect any discussion on this game to harbor any real facts, it almost always degrades into tirades by the groups I pointed out prior. A bunch of hearsay, conjecture, speculation, hyperbole as well as sensationalism. I've seen enough of it at this point to just take a wait and see approach.
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... and you have been very consistent, and just as steadfast, against DSmart's assertions and in your defense for CIG in all of those other threads as well.
Defense of CIG? I rarely post on these topics, care to elaborate?
Folks like this are exactly why I try and stay away from those topics, your agenda turns everyone into an enemy. I have no problem with your concerns, nor do i have a problem with Kickstarters, CIG etc... I have no bone in the race. I just share my opinion as the topic comes up, which all I remember ever saying about SC is I'll wait to see what happens.
The only assertion of Derek Smarts I even recall mentioning is his statement about the game being impossible to make...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
This is very much about Smart. He has a vendetta against Chris Roberts and SC. HE can sugarcoat however he wants and try and deflect attention from it, he attacks the project whilst heavliy pushing his own current flop/mess of a game.
I also find it ironic he complains about how CIG has terminated business with him and refunded his money when stuff like this is out there:
Talk about irony
This recent youtube vid sums things up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFTrr786M2I
He's a toxic individual and is simply out for his own gain - not for the benefit of gamers.
Nevermind. My issues are with CIG and their lack of accountability and transparency in this matter. I have no interest in derailing or re-directing my efforts into a personal debate bearing no relevance on the matter. You are entitled to your own opinions and beliefs.
Fair enough..Just for the record I have no intention to thwart your efforts. I don't have a black pointy or curled moustache
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For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Nice try. Difference being that I have never - ever - posted on their forum. Period. I haven't committed ANY offense that requires banning, or any such action.
Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living.
If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead
...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them.
And nothing there mentions about how your banning actions relate just to forums, you're bitching about people attacking your game so you'll ban them. At least CIG have been decent and given you your money back.
You're an odious reptile who damages gaming more than anyone in the industry. You are a blight sir and one that needs removing from the gaming community permanently.
Maybe it's because while other companies are putting out reports like this, CIG, in this instance, appears more concerned with who and who doesn't get to play their imaginary game (I'm not saying it was the wrong move, but it sure didn't help their public image).
The interesting stuff begins on page 21. Tell me, how much did Roberts pay himself last year?
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
And seriously, you've done nothing but make noisy threats about taking action against CIG this being your latest:
Kindly put up or shut the hell up. Let everyone see this 'strongly worded letter' - you keep championing openness.
They also haven't lied the post Ben put up simply stated: We refunded Mr. Smart’s package because he was using Star Citizen as a platform to gain attention as part of a campaign to promote his ‘Line of Defense’ space game.
They didn't mention the forums - they are bang on the money that you have utilised your attacks on the project in the interest of promoting your 'game'
I need to give credit to Derek Smart. He knows how to create flamewar.
In all honesty, if I had a company and someone started doing what Derek Smart has done, I too would cut any ties with him. In fact, I think anyone or any company would.
I had a small conversation with Derek on other topics and although he does make some valid points, he chooses to discard any other arguments contrary to his logic. Basically it is hard to reason with him.
As much as some want to make this a one side vs the other discussion, truth is things aren't that simple.
I've backed Star Citizen in the initial campaign. I support the vision but I'm not blind.
I know the risks and I know it is important to keep some healthy pressure. In fact, it very important to keep a watchful eye and remain in contact with CIG.
But as someone that has backed other crowdfunding projects and has an interest on how game development works, I must say there is little reason to accuse CIG of wrongdoing.
The reasons are quite simple:
- The most important reason. SC full development started in 2013. This game has been in full development for 2,5 years.
During this time they built a company as big as the biggest AAA studios out there. And if you actually do your homework, you'll see that they are working with top talent and top 3rd party companies. They even hired the best motion capture studio "The Imaginarium" to assist them with that aspect of the game.
Does this seem like a company that doesn't want to build the product they promised?
I think no one can accuse them of that.
- Yes there are delays. Yes some internal modules have been delayed due to technical issues. Yes, public figures in the project have left to do other stuff.
But all of the above happens in any development project. Almost every project suffers similar issues. The only reason why we discuss this is because SC development is open and very public.
This is not new. Other crowdfunding projects suffered delays. In fact almost all crowdfunding projects miss their release date. SC is no different. Pillars Of Eternity, Broken Age and so on. Almost all of the top KS game projects were released more than a year later then schedule.
But the fact that we know what is going on is an advantage and I think people are missing the point here.
Back in January, CIG showed their 2015 roadmap. They didn't hide from it and think about it. By doing that they took a risk.
This is open development. They had problem solving certain issues and tried to explain them to their investors.
Now we all have two choices. Will we be Ubisoft and pressure them to rush the game development and release a game full of bugs like AC Unity or will we be CD Projekt Red or Obsidian and release The Witcher 3 and Pillars Of Eternity one or two years later?
What people need ot ask themselves is this simply question. Ok, they are behind on schedule. They have some issues to address. But have they quit the job or are they still building the game?
Let me make it clear. I'm not saying people shouldn't be concerned. That we shouldn't ask about the development status. Quite the contrary. What I'm saying is that given the fact that they update their website with news on the game progress every week. That they show what their building as they are building it and interact with the community every day I think some of accusations are unfair as literally no one else has developed a game in such an open matter as they have.
True, no one else has 900.000+ people that backed $85 Million to build the game.
What I do think, is that some of the concerns come from the fact that some people don't watch Around The Verse. Reverse The Verse and other community shows posted every week on the website.
If they did, they would watch developers talking about their progress. What they are working on at the moment and so on.
To those that aren't really following this project that much. In every Around The Verse episode, each studio working on SC explains to the community what they've been working on during that week.
Long post. As I read what I just wrote it seems like I'm defending them but I'm not. I'm an investor and I want a return on investment. As a previous poster mentions. CIG is responsible for accomplishing the promise they made.
But the game has been in development for 2,5 years. I don't expect miracles taken that most games of this scale take at least 4-5 years to make. Perhaps they would have delivered it if it was a smaller scale game but then again the majority does want a top quality AAA game and that takes more than a couple of years to build.
For now I will wait. If by 2016 there is little progress on the project, perhaps we should start asking more serious questions.
But right now, they have multiple studios working on the game. Give them the required time to build a top game like The Witcher 3 instead of a mess of a game like AC Unity.
Hey Derek, about refunds, maybe Chris thought, to quote yourself.
"People like you, who think that what you're doing, saying, is normal, are the reason that game communities fall apart, are fragmented and completely disruptive.
I simply do NOT want money from those people because it's like taking blood money and turning a blind eye because money is nice to have while compromising your own very values and self-respect."
You have to also take into account that, for any subscriber, up until the recent crunch you could contact the CSR's at CIG and say "hey I'm in Austin/ L.A., for a bit is there a time I can swing by the studios for a tour between x day and y day." If there was a day they set you up with a tour. So yeah, you're hard pressed to find sub level backers that believe there is a lack of transparency in CIG. As for the rest there is a horde of people saying it's to opaque.
Me I've stopped putting money in, but I'm not pulling my money out. If I want out I've enough limited run lti ships to turn a profit before I go, but again I've little interest in doing that. I figured out pretty early the windows were far to hopeful. CR wanted to use the limited lobby system built into the engine to do stuff. If he was limiting instance numbers to a dozen people or so it was a fine idea. When he said hundreds it was going to need reworking. Target numbers don't get hit, delays happen. You can either get out your pitchforks and scream and yell or wait to see why and see if it's honest.
Right now you get weekly updates of why the fps is not out yet, you get monthly what we did this month updates. Subs get jump points with more crap they are working on stuff in it. If it's all smoke and mirrors it's still a lot of freaking work for that smoke. I'd rather wait and see than try to burn the world down before it comes to it.
Who is ' dmsart ' ?
Well you said it yourself ..."Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living.
If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead
...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them."
Don't be coy you know very well that any company is going to do whatever they can, to keep a known disruption away from every day business. Especially a disruption that has eyes set on ruining your Company. That's nothing more than survival instinct kicking in. That's basically where you're at at this point, you have every right to take such a stand, but don't play innocent of the inevitable fallout of that stand.
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Sorry, you don't get to re-write the facts. This is what they stated to PC Gamer. It's false. Andy Chalk has since confirmed to me that it's false because they already told him that THIS was NOT the reason for my account being closed.
"It was obvious he was not a supporter of our project and was just using our visibility as a platform to gain attention and promote his current game and his past games," a Cloud Imperium Games rep explained in an email. "We have strict rules about people using our forums and chat for self-promotion and it was clear that he didn’t care about the project, or the backers, or a good game being made. He was just trying to create a huge fuss to make himself relevant at a lot of other people's expense and distress. So we enacted our rights through Kickstarter (that we also have on our own TOS) and refunded him and turned his account off."
Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living.
If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead
...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them.
Well here we are again, seems you have some people fooled that haven't been around long enough to see right through you. Either way, history repeating itself, Derek Smart is NOT happy and will enjoy playing the victim no matter what it takes. Well good luck with this endeavour, may it be prosperous and fruitful for your reigning success.
Two 150 post threads, he's responding directly again, interviewed by PCGamer and conversations with many more.
Yes, he has now come back into relevance, and this action just fuels the fires, you'll see, other backers will agree with him in the near future.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Considering that I dont think he would misspell his own name.. I believe you have been trolled.
This whole thing is ridiculous.
I'll be happy when the person we'd never heard of till a couple weeks ago fades back into obscurity...
Any way... This is basic Customer Service 101. Remove the platform of the offending party as the repeated dmeanding will just cost more.
Did that a few times back in my days as a telecom CSR... Nothing as nice as just pulling the plug on a nimrod customer and telling them that they are never again welcome. Then you wait until the first second of argumentation over the "never welcome again" part... Wish them a "underbar dag" and terminate the call.
It is pure fnk bliss.
Btw for all it is worth... I agree with the "worries" D.S have... What i dislike is that he makes it sound like some revolutionary discovery... When most of us have raised the same concerns since.. well.. day one.
You see. No game the RSi make will ever live up to the game the backers have built in their mind.
This have been a good conversation
Like I said, you are unable to address his points. So all you do is attack him.
You sir, nailed it (y)
You are in fact an idiot, it is the Dark Lord Smart.