Proper journalism dictates that one should check with all sides involved in the issue he investigates. It's a Cardinal Rule for obvious reasons. Escapist chose not to follow this basic rule because as i wrote earlier sometimes facts and details spoil a good story.
By what you think they would ask CR ok is this true? He says no and they write even thou we have 9 verified accounts what is going on, CR said it isn't, so no story here. That is just stupid.
On another point, I think it is really telling how CR was creating pixels of ships that can't work in space he created. That should really piss off a lot of folks.
Oh and if the writer has a friend he knows works at CIG it is verified and to say he lied is just wrong.
That isn't how that works. You don't scrap the story you write it neutrally giving both sides their say and let the audience make their decision based on the "facts" your present. In this case of course we still have 0 Facts.
LOL the facts are there you and some others just refuse to see it. That is really sad. One fact that gets me on both sides admitting too, is some of the bought ships will not work in the game. How can anyone sell something to the public when they admit it does not work.
Proper journalism dictates that one should check with all sides involved in the issue he investigates. It's a Cardinal Rule for obvious reasons. Escapist chose not to follow this basic rule because as i wrote earlier sometimes facts and details spoil a good story.
By what you think they would ask CR ok is this true? He says no and they write even thou we have 9 verified accounts what is going on, CR said it isn't, so no story here. That is just stupid.
On another point, I think it is really telling how CR was creating pixels of ships that can't work in space he created. That should really piss off a lot of folks.
Oh and if the writer has a friend he knows works at CIG it is verified and to say he lied is just wrong.
That isn't how that works. You don't scrap the story you write it neutrally giving both sides their say and let the audience make their decision based on the "facts" your present. In this case of course we still have 0 Facts.
LOL the facts are there you and some others just refuse to see it. That is really sad. One fact that gets me on both sides admitting too, is some of the bought ships will not work in the game. How can anyone sell something to the public when they admit it does not work.
Source for they are selling ships that won't work please.
Brenics said: LOL the facts are there you and some others just refuse to see it. That is really sad. One fact that gets me on both sides admitting too, is some of the bought ships will not work in the game. How can anyone sell something to the public when they admit it does not work.
I think it is more a case of CIG selling ship's that are only in concept phase, as in, they do not exist in game yet, as opposed to they exist but do not work.
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I have to agree with others that was a really good read, i just hope the people who are in denial that nothing possibly could be wrong at star citizen read this, then sit down and have a really good long hard think about the whole situation.
I have to agree with others that was a really good read, i just hope the people who are in denial that nothing possibly could be wrong at star citizen read this, then sit down and have a really good long hard think about the whole situation.
Denial about what? People keep saying there is something wrong with SC. Yet they can't provide proof that there is. If you have evidence to the contrary, please by all means post it so we can all have a look at it. That's all I ask.
SC is being mismanaged - Where is the proof? SC will never be released - Where is the proof? CIG is a hostile work environment - Where is the proof? CIG doesn't have enough money to finish SC - Where is the proof?
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Is Derek Smart employed by Roberts. He is not one of those that the Escapist magazine is talking about the ex/current employees is he? So what does this all have to do with Derek Smart ?
He has nothing to do with this other than pointing out Roberts has no clue what he is doing and SC is going down the drain, so people hate him for that.
I just shake my head most of the time in these threads. There are many people on the 2 polar opposite sides of this argument who are quick to assert their assumptions as facts and their oppositions assumptions as BS.
The truth of the matter regardless of how much anyone tries to shout it down is that we (the general audience) have 0 facts.
Assumptions and speculation are not facts. Sorry, they just aren't. ...and if you think I'm talking specifically to you you are probably preparing to defend your assumpitons as facts...
tldr: Your assumptions regardless of the veracity of belief are not facts. You side doesn't matter.
Is Derek Smart employed by Roberts. He is not one of those that the Escapist magazine is talking about the ex/current employees is he? So what does this all have to do with Derek Smart ?
He has nothing to do with this other than pointing out Roberts has no clue what he is doing and SC is going down the drain, so people hate him for that.
People hate him for 10+ years and counting of bs. The CIG thing is just the latest.
You know what the funny thing is, it's the ones hating Derek Smart who are giving him all the attention. If you really believed he had nothing to say worth listening to, then why keep talking about him so much?
I am going to have to bookmark this, when SC crashes and burns the rest of the way, it will deserve to be reposted.
From my own experience in project management, yeah... when multiple senior people all leave within a very short period it is not saying anything good about your project.
People in "executive" management positions only get their next job based on how their last job went. If a project is successful, their next job might be a step or two up the ladder. Be part of an acknowledged failure in a leadership position, and your next job is going to be a step or two down the ladder (generally speaking). That being the case, multiple senior people punching out at the same time is a very bad indicator: is it trying to remove some of the stink of being part of a "failure" before the failure actually happens.
So, we will all see how this plays out.
Personally, I was smart enough to not donate to this game, when it became obvious that more effort was being put into selling ships that don't exist, than working on the damn game itself and finishing the things they had previously promised to do (don't promise to do more, until what you have already promised is lined up). Multiple missed deadlines/milestones, also very bad.
It is looking more and more like SC is going to be THE cautionary crowdfunding tale when/if this thing finally goes down.
Good article, totally agreed. It would be the best move they can possibly do to focus on Squadron 42 and the DFM.
Having something substantial actually out there will calm down the rough weathers hanging around the project. More importantly, the developers themselves will have proven something and they can then stop the endless concept art sales, which only lead to further feature creep.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
OK, this is going past the point of funny and venturing into scary waters.
I dont care for Derek Smart and I believe he has mental issues that allow him to think it is ok to bully others and think he is some awesome game developer when he has not created one single credible game yet.
On the other hand, there are a lot of stories coming out of CIG by ex-employees and industry insiders that cant be ignored. How does a person believe that all is well when all the original top people working under Chris are now gone? How does a person believe that all is well when the game is overdue and yet we have very little to show at this time?
Its like both sides have whiteknights that act like a wife in an abusive relationship and refuse to see anything other than a loving husband as he is punching her in the face. For anyone to believe that Derek Smart is doing this for anyone elses sake but his own or that there is not something wrong at CIG is simply crazy at this point.
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
Derek Smart is having his last hurrah. It has to be hell for Chris Roberts right now, thinking that everyone just believes the lies that Derek Smart is spreading.
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This is the typical fallacy made by avid Star Citizen and Chris Roberts supporters. It's not about Derek Smart at all. He is a known agent provocateur, nothing new about that. Hence, forget all the trolls and all the unproven rumors. However, the verifiable facts and events, as outlined in the article, indicate that CIG suffers from systemic mismanagement. If you are a supporter of the project, it is in your interest that they get identified and fixed, instead of continuously denying them.
I have to agree with others that was a really good read, i just hope the people who are in denial that nothing possibly could be wrong at star citizen read this, then sit down and have a really good long hard think about the whole situation.
Denial about what? People keep saying there is something wrong with SC. Yet they can't provide proof that there is. If you have evidence to the contrary, please by all means post it so we can all have a look at it. That's all I ask.
SC is being mismanaged - Where is the proof? SC will never be released - Where is the proof? CIG is a hostile work environment - Where is the proof? CIG doesn't have enough money to finish SC - Where is the proof?
Read my comment again if you don't have any doubt that anything could possibly go wrong then that is just stupid, things go wrong in business and in game development a lot just look at Blizzard and Project Titan.
But you carry on living in that bubble of yours that nothing possibly could go wrong or maybe go read the article like i did.
OK, this is going past the point of funny and venturing into scary waters.
I dont care for Derek Smart and I believe he has mental issues that allow him to think it is ok to bully others and think he is some awesome game developer when he has not created one single credible game yet.
On the other hand, there are a lot of stories coming out of CIG by ex-employees and industry insiders that cant be ignored. How does a person believe that all is well when all the original top people working under Chris are now gone? How does a person believe that all is well when the game is overdue and yet we have very little to show at this time?
Its like both sides have whiteknights that act like a wife in an abusive relationship and refuse to see anything other than a loving husband as he is punching her in the face. For anyone to believe that Derek Smart is doing this for anyone elses sake but his own or that there is not something wrong at CIG is simply crazy at this point.
No one rational has said there "can't" be problems but some of us like to make our judgments based on actual fact. I'd love some facts to come our way. I really would. I wish someone would publicly go on the record with a statement, that could then be investigated and verified. I wish something shown at the upcoming convention would make us all go, "Well so much for the no game argument". I wish we had something tangible to make a solid judgement on but we only have speculation.
The part that rubs wrong in this is the article should have been authored only after they spoke with both sides. In this way it could be written more balanced. I would remind you that the aritcle was originally published without anything CIG said taken into account as it was sitting in their spam folder since 3 hours before deadline.
I can't disagree with what you're saying. It was unfortunate that Roberts was in the UK and therefore 8 hours ahead and it was also unfortunate that he removed people from the CC list. If neither of those things had occurred we might have had a much agreeable article. Just one of those situations unfortunately.
Derek Smart is having his last hurrah. It has to be hell for Chris Roberts right now, thinking that everyone just believes the lies that Derek Smart is spreading.
See, to a psychopath like Derek Smart, your whole life is about hurting people. You pretend to be something, say a game developer, and you use that false identity to strike out and harm people. Derek Smart has never made a video game, but he is a "Game Developer". Within this persona he believes he is able to strike out at targets with impunity and avoid any questions about his own nefarious activities.
Derek Smart isn't crazy. He is taking cold, calculated steps to hurt people. He is evil. Let that sink in for a minute.
People who are rational and capable of critical thinking don't fall for these tricks for long. However, like many of the people on this board, many people are not capable of critical thinking and looking at objective facts.
They tend to believe whatever negativity they are being told while adopting a superior attitude about it. They pretend to be above it all, while cheering it on somehow with a neutral sounding tone. They like to pretend they are smarter than they are, and that is how a psychopath like Derek Smart gets supporters. They are nothing more than a lynch mob wearing the veneer of civility.
That's why Chris Roberts expresses frustration in his letter; it looks like Derek Smart's bullshit is being believed without question by people in general. This is fairly standard, because psychopaths/sociopaths have a way of getting certain types of people to attack others. Small minded people enjoy tearing others down, and when they can take on the appearance of respectability while doing it they become a ravening horde.
Derek Smart, as a standard issue psychopath/sociopath, picked a target and then proceeded to begin his attack. They always target people above them in the hierarchy they have constructed in their head. They are drug addicts who crave the high of causing harm to others.
There is nothing wrong with Star Citizen. It is a fairly standard project in game development, with a fairly standard budget. Listening to the people on this board spewing wild fantastical nonsense that comes straight from the poisonous mouth of Derek Smart, psychopath, is a trip to bizarro world. And because there are other bottom feeders writing articles now, the mental disease is spreading.
What a sad statement about gaming, that it attracts jackals and click bait miscreants that want to scavenge the remains of other people's work. They should go flip burgers rather than pretend to be journalists. And the commenters that repeat lies are no better. You pseudo-sociopaths aren't even really part of the gaming community when you behave this way, you are just looking for your next fix of negativity.
Some people have difficulty telling the different between the words "community" and "concentration camp" because of their poor upbringing in this so-called society these days. Don't let Derek Smart be your ward boss. Try looking at objective facts and thinking for yourself.
Well it hasn't taken long to start with the "Derek Smart, Derek Smart" deflection chant.
It seems like there is just no way for an author to express a negative opinion and or concerns about SC, even when they try to distance themselves from DS, without the pitchfork wielding mob doing their usual bit and try to make it all about their favorite demon.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
I have to agree with others that was a really good read, i just hope the people who are in denial that nothing possibly could be wrong at star citizen read this, then sit down and have a really good long hard think about the whole situation.
Denial about what? People keep saying there is something wrong with SC. Yet they can't provide proof that there is. If you have evidence to the contrary, please by all means post it so we can all have a look at it. That's all I ask.
SC is being mismanaged - Where is the proof? SC will never be released - Where is the proof? CIG is a hostile work environment - Where is the proof? CIG doesn't have enough money to finish SC - Where is the proof?
When or if SC will be released are questions nobody can answer. how much money SC have is also something only they know.
Now about the proof that SC is being mismanaged. Just look at their release schedule of features that still havent been implemented. Whos responsible for that? Backers? Media?
Second hostile environment. You can argue how credible the sources are but the fact remains people are coming forward with some information about this.
Well it hasn't taken long to start with the "Derek Smart, Derek Smart" deflection chant.
It seems like there is just no way for an author to express a negative opinion and or concerns about SC, even when they try to distance themselves from DS, without the pitchfork wielding mob doing their usual bit and try to make it all about their favorite demon.
Derek Smart is the straw man for them. They build all arguments towards him, so they can knock them down.
Well it hasn't taken long to start with the "Derek Smart, Derek Smart" deflection chant.
It seems like there is just no way for an author to express a negative opinion and or concerns about SC, even when they try to distance themselves from DS, without the pitchfork wielding mob doing their usual bit and try to make it all about their favorite demon.
Derek Smart is the straw man for them. They build all arguments towards him, so they can knock them down.
Yeah it's pretty obvious. What's funny is that they think we don't notice that.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
OK, this is going past the point of funny and venturing into scary waters.
I dont care for Derek Smart and I believe he has mental issues that allow him to think it is ok to bully others and think he is some awesome game developer when he has not created one single credible game yet.
On the other hand, there are a lot of stories coming out of CIG by ex-employees and industry insiders that cant be ignored. How does a person believe that all is well when all the original top people working under Chris are now gone? How does a person believe that all is well when the game is overdue and yet we have very little to show at this time?
Its like both sides have whiteknights that act like a wife in an abusive relationship and refuse to see anything other than a loving husband as he is punching her in the face. For anyone to believe that Derek Smart is doing this for anyone elses sake but his own or that there is not something wrong at CIG is simply crazy at this point.
No one rational has said there "can't" be problems but some of us like to make our judgments based on actual fact. I'd love some facts to come our way. I really would. I wish someone would publicly go on the record with a statement, that could then be investigated and verified. I wish something shown at the upcoming convention would make us all go, "Well so much for the no game argument". I wish we had something tangible to make a solid judgement on but we only have speculation.
I have to agree with others that was a really good read, i just hope the people who are in denial that nothing possibly could be wrong at star citizen read this, then sit down and have a really good long hard think about the whole situation.
Denial about what? People keep saying there is something wrong with SC. Yet they can't provide proof that there is. If you have evidence to the contrary, please by all means post it so we can all have a look at it. That's all I ask.
SC is being mismanaged - Where is the proof? SC will never be released - Where is the proof? CIG is a hostile work environment - Where is the proof? CIG doesn't have enough money to finish SC - Where is the proof?
When or if SC will be released are questions nobody can answer. how much money SC have is also something only they know.
Now about the proof that SC is being mismanaged. Just look at their release schedule of features that still havent been implemented. Whos responsible for that? Backers? Media?
Second hostile environment. You can argue how credible the sources are but the fact remains people are coming forward with some information about this.
Saying there is no proof is just like this:
Sort of the same point i have been trying to get across, maybe i could of done it in a better way and the posts have been abit harsh, but when you have to reply to a lot of different people trying to get the same point across no wonder my posts look like i hate Chris Roberts and Star Citizen which i don't, but that just goes right over their head, mostly your post will do the same as well.
When or if SC will be released are questions nobody can answer. how much money SC have is also something only they know.
Now about the proof that SC is being mismanaged. Just look at their release schedule of features that still havent been implemented. Whos responsible for that? Backers? Media?
Second hostile environment. You can argue how credible the sources are but the fact remains people are coming forward with some information about this.
Saying there is no proof is just like this:
I agree emphatically they have missed their deadlines, does that mean that every piece of delayed software was a sign of mismanagement though? Since that would be nearly the entire software industry it is unlikely.
Is there a hostile work place? I'm open to the idea but someone telling me they talked to people who said it is true is not the same as "Hi I'm Bob. I worked there. It's hostile. Check my credentials."
So in short no, there is no proof. I am not afraid of proof. I want proof. I want to make a fact based judgement.
This is a blog post. Some guys opinion. No evidence to back up many of the assertions.
Same problem as most of the conspiracy theorists shitting on the game. 90% "I'll pull this 'fact' out of my ass" and make dogmatic statements using said bullshit, 10% actual facts.
If it could be proven that CIG has no money left or won't be able to finish the game, I'd understand the outrage.
If it could be proven that CIG is a toxic work environment, I'd understand the outrage.
If it could be proven that CIG has misused backer money, I'd understand the outrage.
Because there is zero proof of any of these things, this is just more tabloid bullshit, conspiracy theories and conjecture.
People who read shit online and think that some basement-dwellers forum post is scientific, factual evidence in of itself, are pretty funny characters.
Using the logic of most Star Citizen detractors, I could assassinate the author's character by asserting that he is a tranny living in his mom's basement. According to these forums, the author needs to disprove my statement. The onus of proof is on the author to show he is not guilty, rather than for me (the accuser) to show that he is guilty.
So yeah, this blog post is just another joke that will no affect on anything, aside from riling up a few more irrational crazies on MMORPG.
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Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
SC is being mismanaged - Where is the proof?
SC will never be released - Where is the proof?
CIG is a hostile work environment - Where is the proof?
CIG doesn't have enough money to finish SC - Where is the proof?
In War - Victory.
In Peace - Vigilance.
In Death - Sacrifice.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
There are many people on the 2 polar opposite sides of this argument who are quick to assert their assumptions as facts and their oppositions assumptions as BS.
The truth of the matter regardless of how much anyone tries to shout it down is that we (the general audience) have 0 facts.
Assumptions and speculation are not facts. Sorry, they just aren't.
...and if you think I'm talking specifically to you you are probably preparing to defend your assumpitons as facts...
tldr: Your assumptions regardless of the veracity of belief are not facts. You side doesn't matter.
You know what the funny thing is, it's the ones hating Derek Smart who are giving him all the attention.
If you really believed he had nothing to say worth listening to, then why keep talking about him so much?
From my own experience in project management, yeah... when multiple senior people all leave within a very short period it is not saying anything good about your project.
People in "executive" management positions only get their next job based on how their last job went. If a project is successful, their next job might be a step or two up the ladder. Be part of an acknowledged failure in a leadership position, and your next job is going to be a step or two down the ladder (generally speaking). That being the case, multiple senior people punching out at the same time is a very bad indicator: is it trying to remove some of the stink of being part of a "failure" before the failure actually happens.
So, we will all see how this plays out.
Personally, I was smart enough to not donate to this game, when it became obvious that more effort was being put into selling ships that don't exist, than working on the damn game itself and finishing the things they had previously promised to do (don't promise to do more, until what you have already promised is lined up). Multiple missed deadlines/milestones, also very bad.
It is looking more and more like SC is going to be THE cautionary crowdfunding tale when/if this thing finally goes down.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
I dont care for Derek Smart and I believe he has mental issues that allow him to think it is ok to bully others and think he is some awesome game developer when he has not created one single credible game yet.
On the other hand, there are a lot of stories coming out of CIG by ex-employees and industry insiders that cant be ignored. How does a person believe that all is well when all the original top people working under Chris are now gone? How does a person believe that all is well when the game is overdue and yet we have very little to show at this time?
Its like both sides have whiteknights that act like a wife in an abusive relationship and refuse to see anything other than a loving husband as he is punching her in the face. For anyone to believe that Derek Smart is doing this for anyone elses sake but his own or that there is not something wrong at CIG is simply crazy at this point.
But you carry on living in that bubble of yours that nothing possibly could go wrong or maybe go read the article like i did.
I'd love some facts to come our way. I really would.
I wish someone would publicly go on the record with a statement, that could then be investigated and verified.
I wish something shown at the upcoming convention would make us all go, "Well so much for the no game argument".
I wish we had something tangible to make a solid judgement on but we only have speculation.
I can't disagree with what you're saying. It was unfortunate that Roberts was in the UK and therefore 8 hours ahead and it was also unfortunate that he removed people from the CC list. If neither of those things had occurred we might have had a much agreeable article. Just one of those situations unfortunately.
It seems like there is just no way for an author to express a negative opinion and or concerns about SC, even when they try to distance themselves from DS, without the pitchfork wielding mob doing their usual bit and try to make it all about their favorite demon.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Now about the proof that SC is being mismanaged. Just look at their release schedule of features that still havent been implemented. Whos responsible for that? Backers? Media?
Second hostile environment. You can argue how credible the sources are but the fact remains people are coming forward with some information about this.
Saying there is no proof is just like this:
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
In one ear and out the other.
Is there a hostile work place? I'm open to the idea but someone telling me they talked to people who said it is true is not the same as "Hi I'm Bob. I worked there. It's hostile. Check my credentials."
So in short no, there is no proof.
I am not afraid of proof. I want proof. I want to make a fact based judgement.