We could even take this one step further and not give credit to anyone over there! People have been dying for a space game from the day SWG died and SWTOR wasn't what gamer's really wanted. Then throw the players over at EVE that would play any space sim that could match or even do better than EVE. You have the ingredients for money to come pouring in. Heck you could have put Jar Jar Binks in charge of marketing and money would still have come rolling in. [mod edit]
As far as the cult thing goes, I would say SC has all the same characteristics as any popular game. Skyrim, ES in general, GTA, Fallout, Minecraft, gawd WoW! The main difference is that they've managed to create their community having not delivered anything, let alone a quality product (yes, even you Bethesda, bugs and all).
Snipped most as I agreed with it. The difference you identify here is exactly why it is akin to a cult, they are asking you to believe in something that doesn't exist.
Believing in something that doesn't exist, has nothing at all to do with a cult.
As far as the extreme fans go (fanatics), it's really no different than anything else in the entertainment industry, be it sports, movie stars, singers, etc. etc. etc.
IMHO the whole entertainment industry is suspect. Nothing is based on common sense, everything is based on emotion.
IMHO the whole entertainment industry is suspect. Nothing is based on common sense, everything is based on emotion.
That's true. But again, only in gaming does this happen BEFORE you have enjoyed the product.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
The idea of offering more and more promises for money without delivering on the earlier ones first
Fun Fact: Star Citizen by itself was a stretch goal. Yes, the whole PU thing? Stretch goal. Early one, hit immediately, but nevertheless. The whole FPS thing? Early stretch goal, hit 2-3 weeks in.
The 2 million base game was a very bare bones single player campaign called Squadron 42.
Which is coming out with fantastically bigger scale than ever hoped for.
BONUS: People get much more than that for the exact same amount of money they donated.
But hey, that´s just me being a glass half full guy, I know, that´s out of fashion. So I´ll just say it EVERYTHING IS DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED ! :chuffed:
mmhmm
I don't get it bro, why you try and bring facts into this? Don't you understand that I have made at least one meaningful connection with another human through being part of this project in some form or another?
Your silly facts, sources, context, and logic seem to ignore a fundamental and overwhelming relevant truth: SC speaks to the pure essence of humanity and the purpose of human beings.
A Zen master can see the universe in a blade of grass. These ppl see it in a video game. Not sure what all this judgment is suppose to do besides piss on someone elses parade.
I'm no backer & probably won't even play the game, but these anti-SC threads are pretty transparent. More so than the SC marketing.
A Zen master can see the universe in a blade of grass. These ppl see it in a video game. Not sure what all this judgment is suppose to do besides piss on someone elses parade.
I'm no backer & probably won't even play the game, but these anti-SC threads are pretty transparent. More so than the SC marketing.
I'm starting to suspect many of these SC anti-fans are actually just quislings attempting to foment faux outrage against SC because every great movement needs a boogeyman to do battle against.
I thought SC already has it's bogeyman: Derek Smart. At least that is what Chris Roberts says and what i hear every time someone writes anything remotely critic about CIG.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
I'm just waiting for the next Escapist article - which is funny because I don't respect the Escapist in general at all.
Kind of strange we haven't heard one peep about this big followup story that was supposedly going to be more indepth than the original story.
It is even stranger they have not run a single story since that about SC. You would think they would run with the media blitz that followed the CitizenCon. I know at least 20 other gaming sites ran multiple stories. I thought that the Escapist is a gaming news site right?
I also even have heard Derek Smart was banned and lost his twitter account for doxxing people again.
Interesting story to say the least. I believe all of these silly discussions are driving the awareness and fundraising of SC more than CIG marketing.
I'm just waiting for the next Escapist article - which is funny because I don't respect the Escapist in general at all.
Kind of strange we haven't heard one peep about this big followup story that was supposedly going to be more indepth than the original story.
It is even stranger they have not run a single story since that about SC. You would think they would run with the media blitz that followed the CitizenCon. I know at least 20 other gaming sites ran multiple stories. I thought that the Escapist is a gaming news site right?
I also even have heard Derek Smart was banned and lost his twitter account for doxxing people again.
Interesting story to say the least. I believe all of these silly discussions are driving the awareness and fundraising of SC more than CIG marketing.
It'll be strange in a month.
But I agree that the negative press has led to a surge in funding.
I'm just waiting for the next Escapist article - which is funny because I don't respect the Escapist in general at all.
Kind of strange we haven't heard one peep about this big followup story that was supposedly going to be more indepth than the original story.
It is even stranger they have not run a single story since that about SC. You would think they would run with the media blitz that followed the CitizenCon. I know at least 20 other gaming sites ran multiple stories. I thought that the Escapist is a gaming news site right?
I also even have heard Derek Smart was banned and lost his twitter account for doxxing people again.
Interesting story to say the least. I believe all of these silly discussions are driving the awareness and fundraising of SC more than CIG marketing.
It'll be strange in a month.
But I agree that the negative press has led to a surge in funding.
The only negative press I have seen is that Escapist story.
I was referring to the hundreds of circular arguments going on endlessly in many game discussion forums around the web.
I'm just waiting for the next Escapist article - which is funny because I don't respect the Escapist in general at all.
Kind of strange we haven't heard one peep about this big followup story that was supposedly going to be more indepth than the original story.
It is even stranger they have not run a single story since that about SC. You would think they would run with the media blitz that followed the CitizenCon. I know at least 20 other gaming sites ran multiple stories. I thought that the Escapist is a gaming news site right?
I also even have heard Derek Smart was banned and lost his twitter account for doxxing people again.
Interesting story to say the least. I believe all of these silly discussions are driving the awareness and fundraising of SC more than CIG marketing.
It'll be strange in a month.
But I agree that the negative press has led to a surge in funding.
The only negative press I have seen is that Escapist story.
I was referring to the hundreds of circular arguments going on endlessly in many game discussion forums around the web.
These are only a few examples, but there are literally hundreds of negative articles, before and after the Escapist article. I mean, you said you were only aware of a single article, so here are a few.
There are also a lot of positive ones and just because these and many other articles are negative, it doesn't mean that the game is going to fail or anything. It just seemed like you haven't actually seen any of them (because you said the only negative press you've seen is from the Escapist) and I figure you should be aware that they are out there.
I'm just waiting for the next Escapist article - which is funny because I don't respect the Escapist in general at all.
Kind of strange we haven't heard one peep about this big followup story that was supposedly going to be more indepth than the original story.
It is even stranger they have not run a single story since that about SC. You would think they would run with the media blitz that followed the CitizenCon. I know at least 20 other gaming sites ran multiple stories. I thought that the Escapist is a gaming news site right?
I also even have heard Derek Smart was banned and lost his twitter account for doxxing people again.
Interesting story to say the least. I believe all of these silly discussions are driving the awareness and fundraising of SC more than CIG marketing.
It'll be strange in a month.
But I agree that the negative press has led to a surge in funding.
The only negative press I have seen is that Escapist story.
I was referring to the hundreds of circular arguments going on endlessly in many game discussion forums around the web.
It is all a matter of perspective; it will be strange if CIG don't follow through with their threat of legal action, given that The Escapist refused to comply with the terms of CIGs letter.
Now I do not know if the article is correct or not, but the ball is firmly in CIG's court on this one.
I also even have heard Derek Smart was banned and lost his twitter account for doxxing people again.
Very easy to check... let's see... google... derek smart twitter... nope, he tweeted ~ 5 hours ago. Have someone check your hearing.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
Interesting story to say the least. I believe all of these silly discussions are driving the awareness and fundraising of SC more than CIG marketing.
It'll be strange in a month.
But I agree that the negative press has led to a surge in funding.
You can't correlate these things, look at what coincides;
The Misc Endeavor concept sale was started a day or so after the escapist's article, a ship that goes from $450-$900, bound to cause a surge in funding from the usual wallet warriors. A week later the Cross Chasis Upgrade was introduced, people that had hoarded Hull A's or Reliants could now CCU to more expensive ships and keep their precious LTI, no doubt causing another surge in funding from wallet warriors. A day later there was CitizenCon, again guaranteed to have caused another surge in velcro ripping, popper snapping and card cutting.
A Zen master can see the universe in a blade of grass. These ppl see it in a video game. Not sure what all this judgment is suppose to do besides piss on someone elses parade.
I'm no backer & probably won't even play the game, but these anti-SC threads are pretty transparent. More so than the SC marketing.
Yes we star citizens are Zen masters, holding infinity in the palm of our hand and eternity in an hour.
These are only a few examples, but there are literally hundreds of negative articles, before and after the Escapist article. I mean, you said you were only aware of a single article, so here are a few.
There are also a lot of positive ones and just because these and many other articles are negative, it doesn't mean that the game is going to fail or anything. It just seemed like you haven't actually seen any of them (because you said the only negative press you've seen is from the Escapist) and I figure you should be aware that they are out there.
Lemme see:
Article 1 ... NOT a negative article ... says that all money from crowdfunding goes into development and is NOT used as profit for CIG
Article 2 ... simple Chris Roberts character assassination piece --> "So Roberts’ resume consists of an unwatchable movie, a
fun-but-unremarkable space sim and another space sim that failed to live
up to the hype." ... Yeah... sure ....
Article 3 ... NOT a negative article ... despite the deliberately flashy "Clickbait" title its a well written summary full of quotes by Chris Roberts as he answers the questions of the journalist with respect to questions re: money and stretch goals
Article 4 .... subjective piece written by a critical mind, concentrating on missed deadlines ... at least he is clearly stating that this is his personal opinion. Its 9 month old, so some of his worries about things/modules not working together have possibly be shown (at GamesCom2015 and CitizenCon2015 to be unfounded). "I’m extremely sceptical about Star Citizen and the amount of hype (and
funding) that surrounds the title. I want it to do well, because space sims deserve a good presence in gaming, but I’m struggling to see how all of these new components fit together"
None of these articles mention ANYTHING about workplace abuse, fraud, using company money for private things, racism, bias against older employees, drug abuse etc. .... the stuff mentioned in the Escapist article.
As far as the cult thing goes, I would say SC has all the same characteristics as any popular game. Skyrim, ES in general, GTA, Fallout, Minecraft, gawd WoW! The main difference is that they've managed to create their community having not delivered anything, let alone a quality product (yes, even you Bethesda, bugs and all).
Snipped most as I agreed with it. The difference you identify here is exactly why it is akin to a cult, they are asking you to believe in something that doesn't exist.
So Religion is a cult? (Can't say I disagree with that). The Chicago Cubs are a cult?
Also, it should be noted that SC is akin to Star Wars Episode 8 and 9, too. We've heard they're coming, but there's nothing out there yet. That doesn't mean that fans aren't anticipating their release. I think that, at this point, it's becoming very naive to believe that something will not be released. What that looks like in the end remains to be seen, but something will be released. I think in the past month that they earned enough to churn out an Elite: Dangerous clone, so if that's what we get then it's going to suck and people are probably going to be royally pissed, but it would be something.
Just to be clear, there is more evidence to the existence of SC than there is God, and Christians aren't referred to as cultists.
I'm just waiting for the next Escapist article - which is funny because I don't respect the Escapist in general at all.
Kind of strange we haven't heard one peep about this big followup story that was supposedly going to be more indepth than the original story.
It is even stranger they have not run a single story since that about SC. You would think they would run with the media blitz that followed the CitizenCon. I know at least 20 other gaming sites ran multiple stories. I thought that the Escapist is a gaming news site right?
I also even have heard Derek Smart was banned and lost his twitter account for doxxing people again.
Interesting story to say the least. I believe all of these silly discussions are driving the awareness and fundraising of SC more than CIG marketing.
Last I heard they are still gathering info and making sure everything is double and tripled checked.
Lot of links out there if you would look that aren't held in the best light for CIG!
Nope DS is still on Twitter but people are attacking him daily and trying to get him off Twitter. You really have to wonder if DS is lying about so many things to do with CR and CIG why even bother going after him like they are. A lot of people think all the attacks on DS make his comments true. It would be better if people would just ignore him.
Yep people do say even bad news is good advertising.
Interesting story to say the least. I believe all of these silly discussions are driving the awareness and fundraising of SC more than CIG marketing.
It'll be strange in a month.
But I agree that the negative press has led to a surge in funding.
You can't correlate these things, look at what coincides;
The Misc Endeavor concept sale was started a day or so after the escapist's article, a ship that goes from $450-$900, bound to cause a surge in funding from the usual wallet warriors. A week later the Cross Chasis Upgrade was introduced, people that had hoarded Hull A's or Reliants could now CCU to more expensive ships and keep their precious LTI, no doubt causing another surge in funding from wallet warriors. A day later there was CitizenCon, again guaranteed to have caused another surge in velcro ripping, popper snapping and card cutting.
Yeah, that's true. There really isn't a direct link and it could be a combination of a lot of things like you say.
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Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
As far as the extreme fans go (fanatics), it's really no different than anything else in the entertainment industry, be it sports, movie stars, singers, etc. etc. etc.
IMHO the whole entertainment industry is suspect. Nothing is based on common sense, everything is based on emotion.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
But usually the emotional response comes after the entertainment has been experienced.
Now we have great wealth being generated for a few with zero risk, all based on fan's pledge's. Who needs investors.
This whole crowdfunding thing is throwing all the rule's out the window. And it's all based on emotion.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Your silly facts, sources, context, and logic seem to ignore a fundamental and overwhelming relevant truth: SC speaks to the pure essence of humanity and the purpose of human beings.
Have fun
I'm no backer & probably won't even play the game, but these anti-SC threads are pretty transparent. More so than the SC marketing.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
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Kind of strange we haven't heard one peep about this big followup story that was supposedly going to be more indepth than the original story.
It is even stranger they have not run a single story since that about SC. You would think they would run with the media blitz that followed the CitizenCon. I know at least 20 other gaming sites ran multiple stories. I thought that the Escapist is a gaming news site right?
I also even have heard Derek Smart was banned and lost his twitter account for doxxing people again.
Interesting story to say the least. I believe all of these silly discussions are driving the awareness and fundraising of SC more than CIG marketing.
Life IS Feudal
But I agree that the negative press has led to a surge in funding.
I was referring to the hundreds of circular arguments going on endlessly in many game discussion forums around the web.
Life IS Feudal
http://www.pcgamesn.com/star-citizen/star-citizens-55m-funding-wont-turn-into-profit-all-pre-launch-money-will-be-spent-on-development
http://www.reaxxion.com/1640/the-great-star-citizen-swindle-and-the-failure-of-crowdfunding
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-07-21-star-citizen-feature-creep-and-money
http://www.lazygamer.net/genre/sim-genre/surprise-star-citizen-wont-be-out-this-year/
These are only a few examples, but there are literally hundreds of negative articles, before and after the Escapist article. I mean, you said you were only aware of a single article, so here are a few.
There are also a lot of positive ones and just because these and many other articles are negative, it doesn't mean that the game is going to fail or anything. It just seemed like you haven't actually seen any of them (because you said the only negative press you've seen is from the Escapist) and I figure you should be aware that they are out there.
Now I do not know if the article is correct or not, but the ball is firmly in CIG's court on this one.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
You can't correlate these things, look at what coincides;
The Misc Endeavor concept sale was started a day or so after the escapist's article, a ship that goes from $450-$900, bound to cause a surge in funding from the usual wallet warriors.
A week later the Cross Chasis Upgrade was introduced, people that had hoarded Hull A's or Reliants could now CCU to more expensive ships and keep their precious LTI, no doubt causing another surge in funding from wallet warriors.
A day later there was CitizenCon, again guaranteed to have caused another surge in velcro ripping, popper snapping and card cutting.
Have fun
https://twitter.com/dsmart?lang=en
"@dsmart's Tweets are protected.
Only confirmed followers have access to @dsmart's Tweets and complete profile. Click the "Follow" button to send a follow request."
Thats a change compared to a few hours ago, where the account was open to all (and NO, i will for sure NOT become a "follower" of TheSmarty ;-)
The Smarty himself complained a few hours ago about an ongoing campaign against his Twitter account.
Have fun
Article 1 ... NOT a negative article ... says that all money from crowdfunding goes into development and is NOT used as profit for CIG
Article 2 ... simple Chris Roberts character assassination piece -->
"So Roberts’ resume consists of an unwatchable movie, a fun-but-unremarkable space sim and another space sim that failed to live up to the hype." ... Yeah... sure ....
Article 3 ... NOT a negative article ... despite the deliberately flashy "Clickbait" title its a well
written summary full of quotes by Chris Roberts as he
answers the questions of the journalist with respect to
questions re: money and stretch goals
Article 4 .... subjective piece written by a critical mind, concentrating on missed deadlines ... at least he is clearly stating that this is his personal opinion. Its 9 month old, so some of his worries about things/modules not working together have possibly be shown (at GamesCom2015 and CitizenCon2015 to be unfounded).
"I’m extremely sceptical about Star Citizen and the amount of hype (and funding) that surrounds the title. I want it to do well, because space sims deserve a good presence in gaming, but I’m struggling to see how all of these new components fit together"
None of these articles mention ANYTHING about workplace abuse, fraud, using company money for private things, racism, bias against older employees, drug abuse etc. .... the stuff mentioned in the Escapist article.
Have fun
So Religion is a cult? (Can't say I disagree with that). The Chicago Cubs are a cult?
Also, it should be noted that SC is akin to Star Wars Episode 8 and 9, too. We've heard they're coming, but there's nothing out there yet. That doesn't mean that fans aren't anticipating their release. I think that, at this point, it's becoming very naive to believe that something will not be released. What that looks like in the end remains to be seen, but something will be released. I think in the past month that they earned enough to churn out an Elite: Dangerous clone, so if that's what we get then it's going to suck and people are probably going to be royally pissed, but it would be something.
Just to be clear, there is more evidence to the existence of SC than there is God, and Christians aren't referred to as cultists.
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Lot of links out there if you would look that aren't held in the best light for CIG!
Nope DS is still on Twitter but people are attacking him daily and trying to get him off Twitter. You really have to wonder if DS is lying about so many things to do with CR and CIG why even bother going after him like they are. A lot of people think all the attacks on DS make his comments true. It would be better if people would just ignore him.
Yep people do say even bad news is good advertising.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!