“Star Citizen is and always will be more than a triple-A game; so much more. Star Citizen speaks to the pure essence of humanity and the purpose of human beings, and I firmly believe that this is why there are so many passionate people on both sides of the fence." - Sandi Gardiner
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Uh... has anyone told Sandi that they're making a video game. They're not actually going to explore space.
Just to be clear, there is more evidence to the existence of SC than there is God, and Christians aren't referred to as cultists.
Really pulling out all the stops here, eh CK? At risk of pulling this even further off-topic, lets just say I disagree.
"Cult" comes from Latin to worship, which is also where we get culture interestingly enough (although a different, though related meaning). "The Christian Cult" is actually a term I've seen used professionally, though very uncommonly, in America.
This is vastly different from what people sometimes colloquially mean by "cult"; terrible, tragic cases resulting in loss of life with many warning signs ahead of time: cases like Jonestown, or the Waco siege. I won't bother enumerating the many ways to reality-check oneself regarding whether or not one might be involved in an unhealthy cult, but some of them include loss of personal identity, unquestioning devotion to a particular individual or charismatic leader, and controlling of one's personal finances. I don't think anyone would seriously compare Star Citizen to something like this; any such comparison would be sidelong, irreverent, and at best, tongue-in-cheek.
There is also a third "middle ground" way in which people use the word "cult", and that is in the sense of a cult following, or a cult classic; usually referring to media that isn't necessarily commercially successful at first, but gains a devoted audience over time. This is also somewhat tongue-in-cheek, because it riffs on the fact that fans of whatever media may be in question often have "insider knowledge" that sets them apart from the rest of the general population, hence 'cult'.
So... many different ways to use the word "cult"; some less benign than others. All respect due to those that have actually been involved in cults and gotten free through any means available.
And no, to me, there is less evidence for the existence of Star Citizen than there is for the existence of God.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar Authored 139 missions in VendettaOnline and 6 tracks in Distance
Just to be clear, there is more evidence to the existence of SC than there is God, and Christians aren't referred to as cultists.
Really pulling out all the stops here, eh CK? At risk of pulling this even further off-topic, lets just say I disagree.
"Cult" comes from Latin to worship, which is also where we get culture interestingly enough (although a different, though related meaning). "The Christian Cult" is actually a term I've seen used professionally, though very uncommonly, in America.
This is vastly different from what people sometimes colloquially mean by "cult"; terrible, tragic cases resulting in loss of life with many warning signs ahead of time: cases like Jonestown, or the Waco siege. I won't bother enumerating the many ways to reality-check oneself regarding whether or not one might be involved in an unhealthy cult, but some of them include loss of personal identity, unquestioning devotion to a particular individual or charismatic leader, and controlling of one's personal finances. I don't think anyone would seriously compare Star Citizen to something like this; any such comparison would be sidelong, irreverent, and at best, tongue-in-cheek.
There is also a third "middle ground" way in which people use the word "cult", and that is in the sense of a cult following, or a cult classic; usually referring to media that isn't necessarily commercially successful at first, but gains a devoted audience over time. This is also somewhat tongue-in-cheek, because it riffs on the fact that fans of whatever media may be in question often have "insider knowledge" that sets them apart from the rest of the general population, hence 'cult'.
So... many different ways to use the word "cult"; some less benign than others. All respect due to those that have actually been involved in cults and gotten free through any means available.
And no, to me, there is less evidence for the existence of Star Citizen than there is for the existence of God.
Thanks for the English lesson. That was a very in-depth analysis. We should probably call Dictionary.com and let them know to index it
You're not wrong, but he mentions it as "a cult" which pretty much negates it as referring to it as a cult classic or similarly descriptive wording. I didn't know about your reference to "The Christian Cult". That's pretty interesting. Thanks.
As for the existence of either said deities, I suppose that it's up to personal interpretation.
“Star Citizen is and always will be more than a triple-A game; so much more. Star Citizen speaks to the pure essence of humanity and the purpose of human beings, and I firmly believe that this is why there are so many passionate people on both sides of the fence." - Sandi Gardiner
Have Fun!
Well Sandi should work for Arena net because she sounds like an Arena net employee.
Sorry Sandi but in this business you don't get to toot your own horn or brag about your own game,your consumers are the ones that determine quality.
It is VERY umm sloppy i guess is thew term to already be calling the game more than a triple A game since we don't even have a game yet.To me she comes off more as an Evangelist than a game promoter and it looks bad for SC unless you fall for her acts tossing in the odd crying to make you feel compassionate and sorry for her.
I think for now we simply call this a profitable ship selling venture and nothing more until they actually release a game.Then we can further scrutinize it's efforts or lack of. Even still i believe we can look into the future,what do all these fans actually expect from this game?I seriously wonder because all i see is another Eve ,flying around in a cockpit view shooting some laser shots at other ships in a boring space environment and that is all i see for this game.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
“Star Citizen is and always will be more than a triple-A game; so much more. Star Citizen speaks to the pure essence of humanity and the purpose of human beings, and I firmly believe that this is why there are so many passionate people on both sides of the fence." - Sandi Gardiner
Have Fun!
Well Sandi should work for Arena net because she sounds like an Arena net employee.
Sorry Sandi but in this business you don't get to toot your own horn or brag about your own game,your consumers are the ones that determine quality.
It is VERY umm sloppy i guess is thew term to already be calling the game more than a triple A game since we don't even have a game yet.To me she comes off more as an Evangelist than a game promoter and it looks bad for SC unless you fall for her acts tossing in the odd crying to make you feel compassionate and sorry for her.
I think for now we simply call this a profitable ship selling venture and nothing more until they actually release a game.Then we can further scrutinize it's efforts or lack of. Even still i believe we can look into the future,what do all these fans actually expect from this game?I seriously wonder because all i see is another Eve ,flying around in a cockpit view shooting some laser shots at other ships in a boring space environment and that is all i see for this game.
There is actually very little about a AAA Game that relates to quality (looking at you Bethesda). It's all about money and marketing clout. If I made a $500 million Super Meat Boy, I could call it AAA. Overall, calling game a Triple-A game has very little real meaning, except it cost a lot and took a long time. So, yes, SC is beyond AAA
As far as Sandi is concerned, she has every right to toot her own horn, and her entire department. It's the single-most funded crowd-funding initiative in history. By a massively-wide margin. As far as her function is concerned, she killed it. There's not much else she can do than sit back and watch it be made....and talk at Citizencon
Just to be clear, there is more evidence to the existence of SC than there is God, and Christians aren't referred to as cultists.
Really pulling out all the stops here, eh CK? At risk of pulling this even further off-topic, lets just say I disagree.
"Cult" comes from Latin to worship, which is also where we get culture interestingly enough (although a different, though related meaning). "The Christian Cult" is actually a term I've seen used professionally, though very uncommonly, in America.
This is vastly different from what people sometimes colloquially mean by "cult"; terrible, tragic cases resulting in loss of life with many warning signs ahead of time: cases like Jonestown, or the Waco siege. I won't bother enumerating the many ways to reality-check oneself regarding whether or not one might be involved in an unhealthy cult, but some of them include loss of personal identity, unquestioning devotion to a particular individual or charismatic leader, and controlling of one's personal finances. I don't think anyone would seriously compare Star Citizen to something like this; any such comparison would be sidelong, irreverent, and at best, tongue-in-cheek.
There is also a third "middle ground" way in which people use the word "cult", and that is in the sense of a cult following, or a cult classic; usually referring to media that isn't necessarily commercially successful at first, but gains a devoted audience over time. This is also somewhat tongue-in-cheek, because it riffs on the fact that fans of whatever media may be in question often have "insider knowledge" that sets them apart from the rest of the general population, hence 'cult'.
So... many different ways to use the word "cult"; some less benign than others. All respect due to those that have actually been involved in cults and gotten free through any means available.
And no, to me, there is less evidence for the existence of Star Citizen than there is for the existence of God.
Thanks for the English lesson. That was a very in-depth analysis. We should probably call Dictionary.com and let them know to index it
You're not wrong, but he mentions it as "a cult" which pretty much negates it as referring to it as a cult classic or similarly descriptive wording. I didn't know about your reference to "The Christian Cult". That's pretty interesting. Thanks.
As for the existence of either said deities, I suppose that it's up to personal interpretation.
No lesson intended, but it seems like you really are seriously trying to set up Star Citizen as a valid 'deity'.
As Torg would say: "not a good idea".
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar Authored 139 missions in VendettaOnline and 6 tracks in Distance
Just to be clear, there is more evidence to the existence of SC than there is God, and Christians aren't referred to as cultists.
Really pulling out all the stops here, eh CK? At risk of pulling this even further off-topic, lets just say I disagree.
"Cult" comes from Latin to worship, which is also where we get culture interestingly enough (although a different, though related meaning). "The Christian Cult" is actually a term I've seen used professionally, though very uncommonly, in America.
This is vastly different from what people sometimes colloquially mean by "cult"; terrible, tragic cases resulting in loss of life with many warning signs ahead of time: cases like Jonestown, or the Waco siege. I won't bother enumerating the many ways to reality-check oneself regarding whether or not one might be involved in an unhealthy cult, but some of them include loss of personal identity, unquestioning devotion to a particular individual or charismatic leader, and controlling of one's personal finances. I don't think anyone would seriously compare Star Citizen to something like this; any such comparison would be sidelong, irreverent, and at best, tongue-in-cheek.
There is also a third "middle ground" way in which people use the word "cult", and that is in the sense of a cult following, or a cult classic; usually referring to media that isn't necessarily commercially successful at first, but gains a devoted audience over time. This is also somewhat tongue-in-cheek, because it riffs on the fact that fans of whatever media may be in question often have "insider knowledge" that sets them apart from the rest of the general population, hence 'cult'.
So... many different ways to use the word "cult"; some less benign than others. All respect due to those that have actually been involved in cults and gotten free through any means available.
And no, to me, there is less evidence for the existence of Star Citizen than there is for the existence of God.
Thanks for the English lesson. That was a very in-depth analysis. We should probably call Dictionary.com and let them know to index it
You're not wrong, but he mentions it as "a cult" which pretty much negates it as referring to it as a cult classic or similarly descriptive wording. I didn't know about your reference to "The Christian Cult". That's pretty interesting. Thanks.
As for the existence of either said deities, I suppose that it's up to personal interpretation.
No lesson intended, but it seems like you really are seriously trying to set up Star Citizen as a valid 'deity'.
As Torg would say: "not a good idea".
Lol, by the way, that actually was one of the few times I wasn't being sarcastic. I actually found it quite interesting. I'm not a religious person, but I do enjoy the hypocrisy of religion.
No, I'm certainly not setting SC up as a deity. I have actually said on multiple occasions that my expectation lies somewhere north of an updated, bigger Privateer. I'm totally cool with that, though. If it actually met the marketing hype, I think it could be a revolutionary game, but anyone who has ever worked with a marketing department should understand how exaggerated their claims can get. Just watch any Nerf or Supersoaker commercial. I rarely see any of those toys shoot with that kind of accuracy. Doesn't mean they aren't fun, though.
Just to be clear, there is more evidence to the existence of SC than there is God, and Christians aren't referred to as cultists.
Really pulling out all the stops here, eh CK? At risk of pulling this even further off-topic, lets just say I disagree.
"Cult" comes from Latin to worship, which is also where we get culture interestingly enough (although a different, though related meaning). "The Christian Cult" is actually a term I've seen used professionally, though very uncommonly, in America.
This is vastly different from what people sometimes colloquially mean by "cult"; terrible, tragic cases resulting in loss of life with many warning signs ahead of time: cases like Jonestown, or the Waco siege. I won't bother enumerating the many ways to reality-check oneself regarding whether or not one might be involved in an unhealthy cult, but some of them include loss of personal identity, unquestioning devotion to a particular individual or charismatic leader, and controlling of one's personal finances. I don't think anyone would seriously compare Star Citizen to something like this; any such comparison would be sidelong, irreverent, and at best, tongue-in-cheek.
There is also a third "middle ground" way in which people use the word "cult", and that is in the sense of a cult following, or a cult classic; usually referring to media that isn't necessarily commercially successful at first, but gains a devoted audience over time. This is also somewhat tongue-in-cheek, because it riffs on the fact that fans of whatever media may be in question often have "insider knowledge" that sets them apart from the rest of the general population, hence 'cult'.
So... many different ways to use the word "cult"; some less benign than others. All respect due to those that have actually been involved in cults and gotten free through any means available.
And no, to me, there is less evidence for the existence of Star Citizen than there is for the existence of God.
Thanks for the English lesson. That was a very in-depth analysis. We should probably call Dictionary.com and let them know to index it
You're not wrong, but he mentions it as "a cult" which pretty much negates it as referring to it as a cult classic or similarly descriptive wording. I didn't know about your reference to "The Christian Cult". That's pretty interesting. Thanks.
As for the existence of either said deities, I suppose that it's up to personal interpretation.
No lesson intended, but it seems like you really are seriously trying to set up Star Citizen as a valid 'deity'.
As Torg would say: "not a good idea".
Lol, by the way, that actually was one of the few times I wasn't being sarcastic. I actually found it quite interesting. I'm not a religious person, but I do enjoy the hypocrisy of religion.
No, I'm certainly not setting SC up as a deity. I have actually said on multiple occasions that my expectation lies somewhere north of an updated, bigger Privateer. I'm totally cool with that, though. If it actually met the marketing hype, I think it could be a revolutionary game, but anyone who has ever worked with a marketing department should understand how exaggerated their claims can get. Just watch any Nerf or Supersoaker commercial. I rarely see any of those toys shoot with that kind of accuracy. Doesn't mean they aren't fun, though.
But the fan response to this game has been odd. I cannot see any parallels in other media. For example, a lot of people are hyped for the new Star Wars film (particularly after the abortion that was the prequels), but no-one is pretending to be able to review it already.
This is what is happening with Star Citizen. In the heads of a certain group of people, this game exists in all the glory sermonised by CR. Reality, objectivity and rationality have left the building. People want to believe in this vision so they blindly believe. The reaction of these groups is beyond hype.
Just to be clear, there is more evidence to the existence of SC than there is God, and Christians aren't referred to as cultists.
Really pulling out all the stops here, eh CK? At risk of pulling this even further off-topic, lets just say I disagree.
"Cult" comes from Latin to worship, which is also where we get culture interestingly enough (although a different, though related meaning). "The Christian Cult" is actually a term I've seen used professionally, though very uncommonly, in America.
This is vastly different from what people sometimes colloquially mean by "cult"; terrible, tragic cases resulting in loss of life with many warning signs ahead of time: cases like Jonestown, or the Waco siege. I won't bother enumerating the many ways to reality-check oneself regarding whether or not one might be involved in an unhealthy cult, but some of them include loss of personal identity, unquestioning devotion to a particular individual or charismatic leader, and controlling of one's personal finances. I don't think anyone would seriously compare Star Citizen to something like this; any such comparison would be sidelong, irreverent, and at best, tongue-in-cheek.
There is also a third "middle ground" way in which people use the word "cult", and that is in the sense of a cult following, or a cult classic; usually referring to media that isn't necessarily commercially successful at first, but gains a devoted audience over time. This is also somewhat tongue-in-cheek, because it riffs on the fact that fans of whatever media may be in question often have "insider knowledge" that sets them apart from the rest of the general population, hence 'cult'.
So... many different ways to use the word "cult"; some less benign than others. All respect due to those that have actually been involved in cults and gotten free through any means available.
And no, to me, there is less evidence for the existence of Star Citizen than there is for the existence of God.
Thanks for the English lesson. That was a very in-depth analysis. We should probably call Dictionary.com and let them know to index it
You're not wrong, but he mentions it as "a cult" which pretty much negates it as referring to it as a cult classic or similarly descriptive wording. I didn't know about your reference to "The Christian Cult". That's pretty interesting. Thanks.
As for the existence of either said deities, I suppose that it's up to personal interpretation.
No lesson intended, but it seems like you really are seriously trying to set up Star Citizen as a valid 'deity'.
As Torg would say: "not a good idea".
Lol, by the way, that actually was one of the few times I wasn't being sarcastic. I actually found it quite interesting. I'm not a religious person, but I do enjoy the hypocrisy of religion.
No, I'm certainly not setting SC up as a deity. I have actually said on multiple occasions that my expectation lies somewhere north of an updated, bigger Privateer. I'm totally cool with that, though. If it actually met the marketing hype, I think it could be a revolutionary game, but anyone who has ever worked with a marketing department should understand how exaggerated their claims can get. Just watch any Nerf or Supersoaker commercial. I rarely see any of those toys shoot with that kind of accuracy. Doesn't mean they aren't fun, though.
But the fan response to this game has been odd. I cannot see any parallels in other media. For example, a lot of people are hyped for the new Star Wars film (particularly after the abortion that was the prequels), but no-one is pretending to be able to review it already.
This is what is happening with Star Citizen. In the heads of a certain group of people, this game exists in all the glory sermonised by CR. Reality, objectivity and rationality have left the building. People want to believe in this vision so they blindly believe. The reaction of these groups is beyond hype.
I would argue that is equally true for the opponents.
Concerning Star Wars, things would probably play out differently if the films were crowdfunded and the debates might be quite similar it that were the case.
How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?
Just to be clear, there is more evidence to the existence of SC than there is God, and Christians aren't referred to as cultists.
Really pulling out all the stops here, eh CK? At risk of pulling this even further off-topic, lets just say I disagree.
"Cult" comes from Latin to worship, which is also where we get culture interestingly enough (although a different, though related meaning). "The Christian Cult" is actually a term I've seen used professionally, though very uncommonly, in America.
This is vastly different from what people sometimes colloquially mean by "cult"; terrible, tragic cases resulting in loss of life with many warning signs ahead of time: cases like Jonestown, or the Waco siege. I won't bother enumerating the many ways to reality-check oneself regarding whether or not one might be involved in an unhealthy cult, but some of them include loss of personal identity, unquestioning devotion to a particular individual or charismatic leader, and controlling of one's personal finances. I don't think anyone would seriously compare Star Citizen to something like this; any such comparison would be sidelong, irreverent, and at best, tongue-in-cheek.
There is also a third "middle ground" way in which people use the word "cult", and that is in the sense of a cult following, or a cult classic; usually referring to media that isn't necessarily commercially successful at first, but gains a devoted audience over time. This is also somewhat tongue-in-cheek, because it riffs on the fact that fans of whatever media may be in question often have "insider knowledge" that sets them apart from the rest of the general population, hence 'cult'.
So... many different ways to use the word "cult"; some less benign than others. All respect due to those that have actually been involved in cults and gotten free through any means available.
And no, to me, there is less evidence for the existence of Star Citizen than there is for the existence of God.
Thanks for the English lesson. That was a very in-depth analysis. We should probably call Dictionary.com and let them know to index it
You're not wrong, but he mentions it as "a cult" which pretty much negates it as referring to it as a cult classic or similarly descriptive wording. I didn't know about your reference to "The Christian Cult". That's pretty interesting. Thanks.
As for the existence of either said deities, I suppose that it's up to personal interpretation.
No lesson intended, but it seems like you really are seriously trying to set up Star Citizen as a valid 'deity'.
As Torg would say: "not a good idea".
Lol, by the way, that actually was one of the few times I wasn't being sarcastic. I actually found it quite interesting. I'm not a religious person, but I do enjoy the hypocrisy of religion.
No, I'm certainly not setting SC up as a deity. I have actually said on multiple occasions that my expectation lies somewhere north of an updated, bigger Privateer. I'm totally cool with that, though. If it actually met the marketing hype, I think it could be a revolutionary game, but anyone who has ever worked with a marketing department should understand how exaggerated their claims can get. Just watch any Nerf or Supersoaker commercial. I rarely see any of those toys shoot with that kind of accuracy. Doesn't mean they aren't fun, though.
But the fan response to this game has been odd. I cannot see any parallels in other media. For example, a lot of people are hyped for the new Star Wars film (particularly after the abortion that was the prequels), but no-one is pretending to be able to review it already.
This is what is happening with Star Citizen. In the heads of a certain group of people, this game exists in all the glory sermonised by CR. Reality, objectivity and rationality have left the building. People want to believe in this vision so they blindly believe. The reaction of these groups is beyond hype.
And on the flip side there are many that want to hate this game and do so just as blindly, and with just as much irrationality.
I agree, there are extremes on either end of the scale. The one redeeming feature amongst haters is that they don't throw their money at an ever-changing promise.
If you go to the video of citizen con 2015 they say they haven't done much marketing or PR for the game just before they introduce the refer a friend, which i am confused about because people have been saying Sandi is a marketing genuis, they also say they wouldn't be where they are without the backers that comes after the refer a friend bit, basically saying it was the backers who brought more backers to the game.
It happens in the next 10 seconds or so, i remember hearing it because i switched off not long after hearing that.
I refuse to get worked up about an MMO not being "out" before it´s even through its third development year. That would be ridiculous.
I´ll wait with my pitchfork until 2017 under the given circumstances, callled reality.
Thanks.
Relax, register below and back it or or not, but let´s give them their time then compare. Everything is new, a game has never been financed and produced that way before.
In the heads of a certain group of people, this game exists in all the glory sermonised by CR.
because all former games I´ve played done by CR were glorious and landmarks in game development and innovation and pushed the standards of what can be done on PCs.
If he did it once, twice , five times, eight times. Why the hell shouldn´t he do it again? because he took a break? He´s in the game developer hall of fame. I have 100% confidence he´ll pull it off, he always did. Doubters will look mighty stupid when it´s out, I personally guarantee for that.
In the heads of a certain group of people, this game exists in all the glory sermonised by CR.
because all former games I´ve played done by CR were glorious and landmarks in game development and innovation and pushed the standards of what can be done on PCs.
If he did it once, twice , five times, eight times. Why the hell shouldn´t he do it again? because he took a break? He´s in the game developer hall of fame. I have 100% confidence he´ll pull it off, he always did. Doubters will look mighty stupid when it´s out, I personally guarantee for that.
No they won't. I don't rely on hypotheticals or promises, that is called being pragmatic. I like to experience a finished product before I start waxing lyrical on how wonderful it is.
If the game does release with a reasonable approximation of the KS goals, then I will be playing it along with many other people.
Hello! As others have pointed out, we make our plans with all sorts of contingencies in mind. It's only a topic for discussion right now because folks who have absolutely no insight into our finances want you to be starting threads like this.
There are some very important reasons why companies don't share their books in this way. While it would be reassuring to everyone here to know that we have X dollars from Y sources, it would also make things like hiring, contracting and outsourcing very, very difficult. Competitors would be able to outbid us for talented employees (already a worry!), we'd have a huge disadvantage in negotiating business partnerships and all forms of logistics. While you are all genuinely interested in the success of the project, the folks leasing us office space and selling us desks and licensing our software packages are more interested in how much we can pay them right now. We wouldn't have room to negotiate business partnerships... anyone or anything we wanted to work with could sit down with our numbers and name their own price.
While I find the idea of giving money away, at least hundreds or thousands of dollars, in the hope that it will help someone create a bit of leisure entertainment more than a bit barmy, I'd have to say at least the people who are doing just that seem to have the gumption to make an effort to actually support something they believe in and take a personal risk in doing so.
Whereas I see absolutely nothing of merit in people just talking shit and stroking their egos for their own self entertainment, myself included. Last time I checked, talking shit, which let's face it is all you I or anyone else not supporting this or other projects is doing, is absolutely free of charge, absolutely free of risk, and most certainly free of any actual substance. Espousing opinions is a fine and enjoyable thing, but let's not confuse such an activity with actually making any kind of effort, commitment or accomplishment. No one heroizes those magnificent men in their flying opinions.
While you or I may not agree with how they're going about it, at least these people are making an effort to create something and are willing to make a personal investment to do so. All the naysayers are doing is trying to destroy that effort without taking any personal risks what so ever, for no other reason I can fathom than to satisfy their own egotism.
"Oh we got trouble, right here in River City!...."
The entire point of KS is that it allows people to stroke their ego without taking any risks whatsoever. It is free money; other people funding your business so you can go on to pocket all the profit without any of the liabilities, or risk usually involved. It is not the backers I have a problem with, it is the manner in which they are manipulated into giving up more and more money by the developer that grates with me, particularly the ship pipeline on SC.
It takes no risk for me to say it, but it doesn't change the fact that certain forms of funding without any accountability fundamentally grate with me, and are equally without risk.
In the heads of a certain group of people, this game exists in all the glory sermonised by CR.
because all former games I´ve played done by CR were glorious and landmarks in game development and innovation and pushed the standards of what can be done on PCs.
If he did it once, twice , five times, eight times. Why the hell shouldn´t he do it again? because he took a break? He´s in the game developer hall of fame. I have 100% confidence he´ll pull it off, he always did. Doubters will look mighty stupid when it´s out, I personally guarantee for that.
Classic example of the extra zealous fanbase. You really have no idea what Chris Roberts did on those games. He's a name on a box. You can cite Roberts' vainglorious comments of course, but ever CR utterance is about the glory of CR. Fact is, he's never released a game where he wasn't under the umbrella of Origin/EA. Digital Anvil? Nada, not a single game in four years of work.
The pronouncements of his producer glory kinda gloss over the fact that he had really competent teams working to develop these games. Talking to them privately you'd get a far different picture of Roberts' competency.
And it's the same in Hollywood. You have no idea what his producer credits mean. For example, Stan Lee is listed as a producer for the Avenger movies, but he had precious little to do with them. It's the Hollywood way. And actually, the one piece of work that we unequivocally know is Chris Roberts work all the way? The Wing Commander movie. Ouch.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
In the heads of a certain group of people, this game exists in all the glory sermonised by CR.
because all former games I´ve played done by CR were glorious and landmarks in game development and innovation and pushed the standards of what can be done on PCs.
If he did it once, twice , five times, eight times. Why the hell shouldn´t he do it again? because he took a break? He´s in the game developer hall of fame. I have 100% confidence he´ll pull it off, he always did. Doubters will look mighty stupid when it´s out, I personally guarantee for that.
Classic example of the extra zealous fanbase. You really have no idea what Chris Roberts did on those games. He's a name on a box. You can cite Roberts' vainglorious comments of course, but ever CR utterance is about the glory of CR. Fact is, he's never released a game where he wasn't under the umbrella of Origin/EA. Digital Anvil? Nada, not a single game in four years of work.
The pronouncements of his producer glory kinda gloss over the fact that he had really competent teams working to develop these games. Talking to them privately you'd get a far different picture of Roberts' competency.
And it's the same in Hollywood. You have no idea what his producer credits mean. For example, Stan Lee is listed as a producer for the Avenger movies, but he had precious little to do with them. It's the Hollywood way. And actually, the one piece of work that we unequivocally know is Chris Roberts work all the way? The Wing Commander movie. Ouch.
Exactly, and it's all out there to read about. He has always had good talented people around him to make sure the games were released. The most common theme with Roberts is he needs someone to tell him no and to stay on track. We are now being shown big time what happens when those people aren't there!
Hello! As others have pointed out, we make our plans with all sorts of contingencies in mind. It's only a topic for discussion right now because folks who have absolutely no insight into our finances want you to be starting threads like this.
There are some very important reasons why companies don't share their books in this way. While it would be reassuring to everyone here to know that we have X dollars from Y sources, it would also make things like hiring, contracting and outsourcing very, very difficult. Competitors would be able to outbid us for talented employees (already a worry!), we'd have a huge disadvantage in negotiating business partnerships and all forms of logistics. While you are all genuinely interested in the success of the project, the folks leasing us office space and selling us desks and licensing our software packages are more interested in how much we can pay them right now. We wouldn't have room to negotiate business partnerships... anyone or anything we wanted to work with could sit down with our numbers and name their own price.
Basic business to be honest.
Just because you have a ton of money doesn't mean you want everyone knowing exactly how much or people will take you for a ride. Just like in everyday life you want the best things you can get, but if you can negotiate a deal and get things cheaper or sweeten the deal, you are not going to shoot yourself in the foot and show all your cards.
Just like when you have almost no money, you don't want everyone knowing exactly how little you have or risk having them leave you at the curb.
If you worked in business finance it would make sense.
There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
“Star Citizen is and always will be more than a triple-A game; so much more. Star Citizen speaks to the pure essence of humanity and the purpose of human beings, and I firmly believe that this is why there are so many passionate people on both sides of the fence." - Sandi Gardiner
I don't know whether Star Citizen is speaking to the pure essence of humanity and the purpose of human beings or what not however that statement from her definitely speaking to me about what the essence of retardation means :P
“Star Citizen is and always will be more than a triple-A game; so much more. Star Citizen speaks to the pure essence of humanity and the purpose of human beings, and I firmly believe that this is why there are so many passionate people on both sides of the fence." - Sandi Gardiner
I don't know whether Star Citizen is speaking to the pure essence of humanity and the purpose of human beings or what not however that statement from her definitely speaking to me about what the essence of retardation means :P
After watching that video my bullshite meter imploded and I had to scrub myself in the shower for an hour to try and get the stench off me.
This is a pic of me getting cleaned after watching Sandi's verbal diarrhea...you don't want to know what those black gloves are for...
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Uh... has anyone told Sandi that they're making a video game. They're not actually going to explore space.
"Cult" comes from Latin to worship, which is also where we get culture interestingly enough (although a different, though related meaning). "The Christian Cult" is actually a term I've seen used professionally, though very uncommonly, in America.
This is vastly different from what people sometimes colloquially mean by "cult"; terrible, tragic cases resulting in loss of life with many warning signs ahead of time: cases like Jonestown, or the Waco siege. I won't bother enumerating the many ways to reality-check oneself regarding whether or not one might be involved in an unhealthy cult, but some of them include loss of personal identity, unquestioning devotion to a particular individual or charismatic leader, and controlling of one's personal finances. I don't think anyone would seriously compare Star Citizen to something like this; any such comparison would be sidelong, irreverent, and at best, tongue-in-cheek.
There is also a third "middle ground" way in which people use the word "cult", and that is in the sense of a cult following, or a cult classic; usually referring to media that isn't necessarily commercially successful at first, but gains a devoted audience over time. This is also somewhat tongue-in-cheek, because it riffs on the fact that fans of whatever media may be in question often have "insider knowledge" that sets them apart from the rest of the general population, hence 'cult'.
So... many different ways to use the word "cult"; some less benign than others. All respect due to those that have actually been involved in cults and gotten free through any means available.
And no, to me, there is less evidence for the existence of Star Citizen than there is for the existence of God.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
Thanks for the English lesson. That was a very in-depth analysis. We should probably call Dictionary.com and let them know to index it
You're not wrong, but he mentions it as "a cult" which pretty much negates it as referring to it as a cult classic or similarly descriptive wording. I didn't know about your reference to "The Christian Cult". That's pretty interesting. Thanks.
As for the existence of either said deities, I suppose that it's up to personal interpretation.
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: a small religious group that is not part of a larger and more accepted religion and that has beliefs regarded by many people as extreme or dangerous
: a situation in which people admire and care about something or someone very much or too much
: a small group of very devoted supporters or fans
Origin of CULT
edit: First known use was in 1617
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Sorry Sandi but in this business you don't get to toot your own horn or brag about your own game,your consumers are the ones that determine quality.
It is VERY umm sloppy i guess is thew term to already be calling the game more than a triple A game since we don't even have a game yet.To me she comes off more as an Evangelist than a game promoter and it looks bad for SC unless you fall for her acts tossing in the odd crying to make you feel compassionate and sorry for her.
I think for now we simply call this a profitable ship selling venture and nothing more until they actually release a game.Then we can further scrutinize it's efforts or lack of.
Even still i believe we can look into the future,what do all these fans actually expect from this game?I seriously wonder because all i see is another Eve ,flying around in a cockpit view shooting some laser shots at other ships in a boring space environment and that is all i see for this game.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
I hate to break it to you but it's called "Marketing" and you don't have to be honest. You just have to be good.
How the hell can McDonald's tell me their crap tastes good and is nutritious while showing me wax look alikes on the Idiot Box.
How come what you get, looks absolutely nothing like the picture on the menu?
How can they get away with this?
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
There is actually very little about a AAA Game that relates to quality (looking at you Bethesda). It's all about money and marketing clout. If I made a $500 million Super Meat Boy, I could call it AAA. Overall, calling game a Triple-A game has very little real meaning, except it cost a lot and took a long time. So, yes, SC is beyond AAA
As far as Sandi is concerned, she has every right to toot her own horn, and her entire department. It's the single-most funded crowd-funding initiative in history. By a massively-wide margin. As far as her function is concerned, she killed it. There's not much else she can do than sit back and watch it be made....and talk at Citizencon
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As Torg would say: "not a good idea".
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
Lol, by the way, that actually was one of the few times I wasn't being sarcastic. I actually found it quite interesting. I'm not a religious person, but I do enjoy the hypocrisy of religion.
No, I'm certainly not setting SC up as a deity. I have actually said on multiple occasions that my expectation lies somewhere north of an updated, bigger Privateer. I'm totally cool with that, though. If it actually met the marketing hype, I think it could be a revolutionary game, but anyone who has ever worked with a marketing department should understand how exaggerated their claims can get. Just watch any Nerf or Supersoaker commercial. I rarely see any of those toys shoot with that kind of accuracy. Doesn't mean they aren't fun, though.
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This is what is happening with Star Citizen. In the heads of a certain group of people, this game exists in all the glory sermonised by CR. Reality, objectivity and rationality have left the building. People want to believe in this vision so they blindly believe. The reaction of these groups is beyond hype.
Concerning Star Wars, things would probably play out differently if the films were crowdfunded and the debates might be quite similar it that were the case.
How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?
The World may never know
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
It happens in the next 10 seconds or so, i remember hearing it because i switched off not long after hearing that.
I´ll wait with my pitchfork until 2017 under the given circumstances, callled reality.
Thanks.
Relax, register below and back it or or not, but let´s give them their time then compare.
Everything is new, a game has never been financed and produced that way before.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
If he did it once, twice , five times, eight times. Why the hell shouldn´t he do it again? because he took a break? He´s in the game developer hall of fame. I have 100% confidence he´ll pull it off, he always did. Doubters will look mighty stupid when it´s out, I personally guarantee for that.
If the game does release with a reasonable approximation of the KS goals, then I will be playing it along with many other people.
Did CIG Ben Lesnick just inform people how much they may have left? Just found his comment interesting!
There are some very important reasons why companies don't share their books in this way. While it would be reassuring to everyone here to know that we have X dollars from Y sources, it would also make things like hiring, contracting and outsourcing very, very difficult. Competitors would be able to outbid us for talented employees (already a worry!), we'd have a huge disadvantage in negotiating business partnerships and all forms of logistics. While you are all genuinely interested in the success of the project, the folks leasing us office space and selling us desks and licensing our software packages are more interested in how much we can pay them right now.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
It takes no risk for me to say it, but it doesn't change the fact that certain forms of funding without any accountability fundamentally grate with me, and are equally without risk.
Classic example of the extra zealous fanbase. You really have no idea what Chris Roberts did on those games. He's a name on a box. You can cite Roberts' vainglorious comments of course, but ever CR utterance is about the glory of CR. Fact is, he's never released a game where he wasn't under the umbrella of Origin/EA. Digital Anvil? Nada, not a single game in four years of work.
The pronouncements of his producer glory kinda gloss over the fact that he had really competent teams working to develop these games. Talking to them privately you'd get a far different picture of Roberts' competency.
And it's the same in Hollywood. You have no idea what his producer credits mean. For example, Stan Lee is listed as a producer for the Avenger movies, but he had precious little to do with them. It's the Hollywood way. And actually, the one piece of work that we unequivocally know is Chris Roberts work all the way? The Wing Commander movie. Ouch.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
Just because you have a ton of money doesn't mean you want everyone knowing exactly how much or people will take you for a ride. Just like in everyday life you want the best things you can get, but if you can negotiate a deal and get things cheaper or sweeten the deal, you are not going to shoot yourself in the foot and show all your cards.
Just like when you have almost no money, you don't want everyone knowing exactly how little you have or risk having them leave you at the curb.
If you worked in business finance it would make sense.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
http://www.pcpowerplay.com.au/feature/making-a-profit-with-your-star-citizen-pledge,410774
I wonder if this works the way the author thinks.
Have fun
This is a pic of me getting cleaned after watching Sandi's verbal diarrhea...you don't want to know what those black gloves are for...