My comment isn't about the game itself as much as it is about the people who take a snapshot in time of one location during an event as "proof" that a game is heavily populated. If I was diligent enough, i could go into one of my old games like Anarchy with it's dying population (By dying, I mean an active player base measured in the hundreds) I can get into one of the raid channels during a tower War and take a screenshot and say, "Nope!, looks good to me"
I'm assuming you're talking about HighestHand's post with the different screenshots? If so, then yeah, their post is extremely misleading.
In each of HighestHand's screenshots, you see many of the same players/names. Considering that, and that HighestHand describes it as "different areas around the same time", I'm gonna guess they were traveling around with a group who was hopping from event to event.
So, what you're actually seeing is the same group of people in several different areas around the same time, not masses of different people spread out everywhere.
Not exactly the most reliable "proof" of how healthy the game's pop. is.
The maps are as populated as ever - I keep seeing a lot of people in the new maps. There definitely isn't a lack of people playing.
If someone is claiming the zones are empty, they do not understand how the megaserver system works. The true issue is with player distribution within the zone. The new zones are huge - they work in layers, so it is pretty much two or three zones ontop of each other.
The megaserver system creates a new instance when there are X players in a zone. I believe it is somewhere between 100-150. In the old zones, most of the content was relatively easy. When a world boss popped up, you easily got half of the zone to come there.
With the new zones, you are effectively looking at 3 zones in one. You do not have 1 boss at a time, but 4-5 events that are fairly challenging and all need players. If the limit is 100 people, you are spreading them across multiple events. This means the events do not have masses of people there (at least compared to the pre-expansion stuff).
In a way, this issue is a byproduct of the fact that the zones have a lot of stuff to do - which is a good thing.
The maps are as populated as ever - I keep seeing a lot of people in the new maps. There definitely isn't a lack of people playing.
If someone is claiming the zones are empty, they do not understand how the megaserver system works. The true issue is with player distribution within the zone. The new zones are huge - they work in layers, so it is pretty much two or three zones ontop of each other.
The megaserver system creates a new instance when there are X players in a zone. I believe it is somewhere between 100-150. In the old zones, most of the content was relatively easy. When a world boss popped up, you easily got half of the zone to come there.
With the new zones, you are effectively looking at 3 zones in one. You do not have 1 boss at a time, but 4-5 events that are fairly challenging and all need players. If the limit is 100 people, you are spreading them across multiple events. This means the events do not have masses of people there (at least compared to the pre-expansion stuff).
In a way, this issue is a byproduct of the fact that the zones have a lot of stuff to do - which is a good thing.
Anet apparantly dont know how their system works either
they have said , that there is a bug, spawning empty instances
and here you claim the opposite
i guess they should hire you , as a lead programmer
Those screenshots prove it! At least several dozen people still play GW2!
yep
sadly, this is the only mmo, that had a real chance against that fat panda
they started as a huge success, too bad they didnt continue, to build on that
everything comes to an end, and 3 years of entertainment isnt bad for that price
havent played for a week now, and i still miss it sometimes
My comment isn't about the game itself as much as it is about the people who take a snapshot in time of one location during an event as "proof" that a game is heavily populated. If I was diligent enough, i could go into one of my old games like Anarchy with it's dying population (By dying, I mean an active player base measured in the hundreds) I can get into one of the raid channels during a tower War and take a screenshot and say, "Nope!, looks good to me"
We having this conversation again? I remember this type of conversation in November/December 2013.
Screenshots can't claim the world is full. Neither can people claim the game is empty, specifically the new maps are empty and the metas aren't being done, when it is easy to jump in the game and find people.
The game has thousands of events. 12:22 Monday.
HoT meta in Verdant brink being done.
Later on, jumping on a character to go do some daily 15:04 some random event in Diessa Plateau.
A handful of people around for some dinky random even in a 15-25 level map not associated with a world boss or even for the daily.
Again a handful of people. This is a starting area and there is activity associated with daily. Another event a few minutes later. This lead to a champion but still low profile.
I might be very lucky, but hardly prime time on a Monday with schools running and people just seem to drop on me.
Anet apparantly dont know how their system works either
they have said , that there is a bug, spawning empty instances
and here you claim the opposite
i guess they should hire you , as a lead programmer
If there is a bug, then that is a whole different story.
I think most people are worried about the population patterns in general though. A bug you can "easily" fix. A bug should not influence your experience in the long run, provided it gets fixed.
From my experience, the game is still very populated. I am waiting under 5 minutes for any dungeon/fractal group, large world events have a lot of people most times.
There are implications that the map layout has on population distribution within a zone, as mentioned in my previous post. Those should be the key buying factors for anyone interested in the game.
Lol @ at the "game went f2p because its failing" comments
Please try to access HoT content as F2P user. You don't even have access to Tyria masteries.
I thought we are clear that ANet's F2P is nothing shy of a overglorified demo/trial. Everything in the "F2P version" screams purchase HoT xD Yes, even the loading screen has a clickable link.
As of population issues. I don't know. Been doing Dragon Stand meta every night after i come back from work since people learned how to fight the events/bosses. And if I manage to do it tired after long workday, you guys are just throwing excuses and moanings to a game you're not even playing. Which is stupid. But just my 2 cents.
Although i'll be taking few days off of Gw2 starting tomorrow, because of Fallout 4. Hope that doesn't mean the death and gloom of the game, lol
If you are not affected by the megaserver not working correctly, good for you. But Anet says there is something wrong so I'm going to assume they aren't lying.
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
Those screenshots prove it! At least several dozen people still play GW2!
yep
sadly, this is the only mmo, that had a real chance against that fat panda
they started as a huge success, too bad they didnt continue, to build on that
everything comes to an end, and 3 years of entertainment isnt bad for that price
havent played for a week now, and i still miss it sometimes
My comment isn't about the game itself as much as it is about the people who take a snapshot in time of one location during an event as "proof" that a game is heavily populated. If I was diligent enough, i could go into one of my old games like Anarchy with it's dying population (By dying, I mean an active player base measured in the hundreds) I can get into one of the raid channels during a tower War and take a screenshot and say, "Nope!, looks good to me"
1) You realize I'm a solo player that HAPPENED to have walked into this Zerg fest right?
Let me break it down for you since you failed to read my post the first time.
So... I just bought HoT and decided to walk into the zone. Guess what? I came across this area where I had to do hero points and it was empty... For a whole 10 seconds until a bunch of people came in. They LITERALLY came flying in (Gliders).
I stayed with them for the next 2 hours walking around and capping stuff. People left and people came, but the lowest # we had was around 15. The highest was around 100.
So, you're wrong already.
2) It's TWO locations that I took a screen shot of at around the same time (2 minutes apart in two totally different maps) Wrong again.
I find it funny how some people, even when proposed with all evidence, refuse to listen and still believe in their own logic. Not even that, but you failed to even provide an argument for yourself. You just assumed that I walked into the most populated place and SS. Nope. I was by myself.
FYI, when you zone into HoT maps, I always see around 10-20 people there.
Those screenshots prove it! At least several dozen people still play GW2!
yep
sadly, this is the only mmo, that had a real chance against that fat panda
they started as a huge success, too bad they didnt continue, to build on that
everything comes to an end, and 3 years of entertainment isnt bad for that price
havent played for a week now, and i still miss it sometimes
My comment isn't about the game itself as much as it is about the people who take a snapshot in time of one location during an event as "proof" that a game is heavily populated. If I was diligent enough, i could go into one of my old games like Anarchy with it's dying population (By dying, I mean an active player base measured in the hundreds) I can get into one of the raid channels during a tower War and take a screenshot and say, "Nope!, looks good to me"
1) You realize I'm a solo player that HAPPENED to have walked into this Zerg fest right?
Let me break it down for you since you failed to read my post the first time.
So... I just bought HoT and decided to walk into the zone. Guess what? I came across this area where I had to do hero points and it was empty... For a whole 10 seconds until a bunch of people came in. They LITERALLY came flying in (Gliders).
I stayed with them for the next 2 hours walking around and capping stuff. People left and people came, but the lowest # we had was around 15. The highest was around 100.
So, you're wrong already.
2) It's TWO locations that I took a screen shot of at around the same time (2 minutes apart in two totally different maps) Wrong again.
I find it funny how some people, even when proposed with all evidence, refuse to listen and still believe in their own logic. Not even that, but you failed to even provide an argument for yourself. You just assumed that I walked into the most populated place and SS. Nope. I was by myself.
FYI, when you zone into HoT maps, I always see around 10-20 people there.
Good for you. My experience has been different. I've been frustrated finding events without any people around.
I maxed out elite traits on nine of my characters. Servers never seemed empty. I would also guest to full servers at some hero points when needed.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
My comment isn't about the game itself as much as it is about the people who take a snapshot in time of one location during an event as "proof" that a game is heavily populated. If I was diligent enough, i could go into one of my old games like Anarchy with it's dying population (By dying, I mean an active player base measured in the hundreds) I can get into one of the raid channels during a tower War and take a screenshot and say, "Nope!, looks good to me"
I'm assuming you're talking about HighestHand's post with the different screenshots? If so, then yeah, their post is extremely misleading.
In each of HighestHand's screenshots, you see many of the same players/names. Considering that, and that HighestHand describes it as "different areas around the same time", I'm gonna guess they were traveling around with a group who was hopping from event to event.
So, what you're actually seeing is the same group of people in several different areas around the same time, not masses of different people spread out everywhere.
Not exactly the most reliable "proof" of how healthy the game's pop. is.
/facepalm
Same people? You mean the people in the party I was with? The same 3 people and another 2 guildies?
You saw 5 of the same people that I knew and you deduced that "many of the same players/names?"
Lol. Why don't you find another 3 set of names that are in both screen shots and then I'll say you're right.
Oh right you can't. You only saw the 2-3 names because they were labeled gold and blue. AKA My party and guildies. 5 people...
There really is no point debating about these people. They say screen shots prove nothing. If SS doesn't prove anything then there is already no way to prove anything since ANet doesn't release active player numbers.
Since because of that, we can now claim GW2 has 5 million active players, because there is no way to prove anything anymore.
I mean seriously look at the post below. These people are seriously brain dead lol.
1) You realize I'm a solo player that HAPPENED to have walked into this Zerg fest right?
Let me break it down for you since you failed to read my post the first time.
So... I just bought HoT and decided to walk into the zone. Guess what? I came across this area where I had to do hero points and it was empty... For a whole 10 seconds until a bunch of people came in. They LITERALLY came flying in (Gliders).
I stayed with them for the next 2 hours walking around and capping stuff. People left and people came, but the lowest # we had was around 15. The highest was around 100.
So, you're wrong already.
2) It's TWO locations that I took a screen shot of at around the same time (2 minutes apart in two totally different maps) Wrong again.
I find it funny how some people, even when proposed with all evidence, refuse to listen and still believe in their own logic. Not even that, but you failed to even provide an argument for yourself. You just assumed that I walked into the most populated place and SS. Nope. I was by myself.
FYI, when you zone into HoT maps, I always see around 10-20 people there.
Exactly what evidence do you think you presented? You showed a couple of events with a few dozen people... That's what I acknowledged. That's all you have proven.
I find it funny how some people, even when proposed with all evidence, refuse to listen and still believe in their own logic. Not even that, but you failed to even provide an argument for yourself. You just assumed that I walked into the most populated place and SS. Nope. I was by myself.
FYI, when you zone into HoT maps, I always see around 10-20 people there.
Can't speak for others but i believe Anet knows more about their game than you. But if you want to keep on telling us that Anet are lying or that they are incompetent than please continue. vOv
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
I find it funny how some people, even when proposed with all evidence, refuse to listen and still believe in their own logic. Not even that, but you failed to even provide an argument for yourself. You just assumed that I walked into the most populated place and SS. Nope. I was by myself.
FYI, when you zone into HoT maps, I always see around 10-20 people there.
Can't speak for others but i believe Anet knows more about their game than you. But if you want to keep on telling us that Anet are lying or that they are incompetent than please continue. vOv
Except you haven't been been following their updates and these screenshots were taken yesterday.
Either I misunderstood your post or you misunderstood mine. I am not claiming the servers are empty or the population is in decline.
I am saying these screenshots prove nothing.
I'm not claiming that the servers are full and the population is growing. I'm just posting screenshots about by own gameplay experience.
I guess we can't use "Screenshot or it didn't happen" on these forums anymore since they don't prove anything ...
What did they prove? According to those screenshots, how full are the maps? How many players?
Go to logic class because we don't have time to teach you.
Ad Hom = lost argument. Truth is, you don't have the answer that proves anything more than a few dozen people. It's not logic. It's a simple picture and the one you painted just isn't there.
Kind of amusing... I remember chasing some achievements for events and we were indeed only few. Solution? I tagged up - instantly gained +20 people for my group. Tagged down - waited for the night - tagged up again - gained 50 people to bring down the annoying Axemaster boss.
If you feel the map is empty then it's because people are like sheep, they all gather around the tags and ignore any other active events.
I find it funny how some people, even when proposed with all evidence, refuse to listen and still believe in their own logic. Not even that, but you failed to even provide an argument for yourself. You just assumed that I walked into the most populated place and SS. Nope. I was by myself.
FYI, when you zone into HoT maps, I always see around 10-20 people there.
Can't speak for others but i believe Anet knows more about their game than you. But if you want to keep on telling us that Anet are lying or that they are incompetent than please continue. vOv
Except you haven't been been following their updates and these screenshots were taken yesterday.
Straw man argument at it's finest....
Source?
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
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Most player in GW2 have work
I believe issue more in wvw maps compare pve map
or even more in Spvp (look at loby awalys full )
but still find around 4-6k player online (even more) every night
In each of HighestHand's screenshots, you see many of the same players/names. Considering that, and that HighestHand describes it as "different areas around the same time", I'm gonna guess they were traveling around with a group who was hopping from event to event.
So, what you're actually seeing is the same group of people in several different areas around the same time, not masses of different people spread out everywhere.
Not exactly the most reliable "proof" of how healthy the game's pop. is.
/facepalm
If someone is claiming the zones are empty, they do not understand how the megaserver system works. The true issue is with player distribution within the zone. The new zones are huge - they work in layers, so it is pretty much two or three zones ontop of each other.
The megaserver system creates a new instance when there are X players in a zone. I believe it is somewhere between 100-150. In the old zones, most of the content was relatively easy. When a world boss popped up, you easily got half of the zone to come there.
With the new zones, you are effectively looking at 3 zones in one. You do not have 1 boss at a time, but 4-5 events that are fairly challenging and all need players. If the limit is 100 people, you are spreading them across multiple events. This means the events do not have masses of people there (at least compared to the pre-expansion stuff).
In a way, this issue is a byproduct of the fact that the zones have a lot of stuff to do - which is a good thing.
Anet apparantly dont know how their system works either
they have said , that there is a bug, spawning empty instances
and here you claim the opposite
i guess they should hire you , as a lead programmer
I remember this type of conversation in November/December 2013.
Screenshots can't claim the world is full. Neither can people claim the game is empty, specifically the new maps are empty and the metas aren't being done, when it is easy to jump in the game and find people.
The game has thousands of events.
12:22 Monday.
HoT meta in Verdant brink being done.
Later on, jumping on a character to go do some daily
15:04 some random event in Diessa Plateau.
A handful of people around for some dinky random even in a 15-25 level map not associated with a world boss or even for the daily.
Again a handful of people. This is a starting area and there is activity associated with daily.
Another event a few minutes later. This lead to a champion but still low profile.
I might be very lucky, but hardly prime time on a Monday with schools running and people just seem to drop on me.
The megaserver seems to be working fine.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
I think most people are worried about the population patterns in general though. A bug you can "easily" fix. A bug should not influence your experience in the long run, provided it gets fixed.
From my experience, the game is still very populated. I am waiting under 5 minutes for any dungeon/fractal group, large world events have a lot of people most times.
There are implications that the map layout has on population distribution within a zone, as mentioned in my previous post. Those should be the key buying factors for anyone interested in the game.
I am saying these screenshots prove nothing.
Please try to access HoT content as F2P user. You don't even have access to Tyria masteries.
I thought we are clear that ANet's F2P is nothing shy of a overglorified demo/trial. Everything in the "F2P version" screams purchase HoT xD Yes, even the loading screen has a clickable link.
As of population issues. I don't know. Been doing Dragon Stand meta every night after i come back from work since people learned how to fight the events/bosses. And if I manage to do it tired after long workday, you guys are just throwing excuses and moanings to a game you're not even playing. Which is stupid. But just my 2 cents.
Although i'll be taking few days off of Gw2 starting tomorrow, because of Fallout 4. Hope that doesn't mean the death and gloom of the game, lol
I'm just posting screenshots about by own gameplay experience.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
But Anet says there is something wrong so I'm going to assume they aren't lying.
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
Let me break it down for you since you failed to read my post the first time.
So... I just bought HoT and decided to walk into the zone. Guess what? I came across this area where I had to do hero points and it was empty... For a whole 10 seconds until a bunch of people came in. They LITERALLY came flying in (Gliders).
I stayed with them for the next 2 hours walking around and capping stuff. People left and people came, but the lowest # we had was around 15. The highest was around 100.
So, you're wrong already.
2) It's TWO locations that I took a screen shot of at around the same time (2 minutes apart in two totally different maps) Wrong again.
I find it funny how some people, even when proposed with all evidence, refuse to listen and still believe in their own logic. Not even that, but you failed to even provide an argument for yourself. You just assumed that I walked into the most populated place and SS. Nope. I was by myself.
FYI, when you zone into HoT maps, I always see around 10-20 people there.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
You saw 5 of the same people that I knew and you deduced that "many of the same players/names?"
Lol. Why don't you find another 3 set of names that are in both screen shots and then I'll say you're right.
Oh right you can't. You only saw the 2-3 names because they were labeled gold and blue. AKA My party and guildies. 5 people...
@Gaia_Hunter ;
There really is no point debating about these people. They say screen shots prove nothing. If SS doesn't prove anything then there is already no way to prove anything since ANet doesn't release active player numbers.
Since because of that, we can now claim GW2 has 5 million active players, because there is no way to prove anything anymore.
I mean seriously look at the post below. These people are seriously brain dead lol.
You showed a couple of events with a few dozen people...
That's what I acknowledged.
That's all you have proven.
"If I offended you, you needed it" -Corey Taylor
But if you want to keep on telling us that Anet are lying or that they are incompetent than please continue. vOv
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
According to those screenshots, how full are the maps?
How many players?
Straw man argument at it's finest....
Go to logic class because we don't have time to teach you.
Truth is, you don't have the answer that proves anything more than a few dozen people. It's not logic. It's a simple picture and the one you painted just isn't there.
I remember chasing some achievements for events and we were indeed only few.
Solution? I tagged up - instantly gained +20 people for my group.
Tagged down - waited for the night - tagged up again - gained 50 people to bring down the annoying Axemaster boss.
If you feel the map is empty then it's because people are like sheep, they all gather around the tags and ignore any other active events.
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi