I tried it and was repulsed by it. I don't know why anyone would want something like this. I don't get how people are having all these positive reactions to VR. I've never had a more negative gaming experience than when I used a VR headset.
@MrSnuffles i think we need to see if the games coming out are worth the price first.
The games coming out will be playable with and without the OR. No developer is crazy enough to develop for the OR only. (except some indie developers).
What we can expect are:
1. A ton of slender-man-haunted-house-jump-scare-youtube-pewdiepie-screaming-horror-shit-games. 2. A ton of demo like playground games with little mini games, moving objects, doing boring stuff in a VR room simulation. 3. A ton of regular games enabled through VorpX to work with the OR and hooking mouse-look into head movement which is neat but ultimately nothing special. 4. A handful of AAA games with distinct OR support but also limited to head movement since that is pretty much the only thing OR adds to the experience. People will still be able to play these AAA titles without an OR.
For me that is simple not enough to put up with the inconvenience and price of this gadget.
2 years and this fad is dead.
Where, @MrSnuffles , in your narrow list of categorizations would you place the following game?:
Tell me that isn't the least bit innovative or doesn't look like fun.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar Authored 139 missions in VendettaOnline and 6 tracks in Distance
@MrSnuffles i think we need to see if the games coming out are worth the price first.
The games coming out will be playable with and without the OR. No developer is crazy enough to develop for the OR only. (except some indie developers).
What we can expect are:
1. A ton of slender-man-haunted-house-jump-scare-youtube-pewdiepie-screaming-horror-shit-games. 2. A ton of demo like playground games with little mini games, moving objects, doing boring stuff in a VR room simulation. 3. A ton of regular games enabled through VorpX to work with the OR and hooking mouse-look into head movement which is neat but ultimately nothing special. 4. A handful of AAA games with distinct OR support but also limited to head movement since that is pretty much the only thing OR adds to the experience. People will still be able to play these AAA titles without an OR.
For me that is simple not enough to put up with the inconvenience and price of this gadget.
2 years and this fad is dead.
Where, @MrSnuffles , in your narrow list of categorizations would you place the following game?:
Tell me that isn't the least bit innovative or doesn't look like fun.
innovate - to introduce something new; make changes in anything established.
I don't see anything new in this game. VR is not new, gun controllers are not new. It actually looks extremely boring and repetitive. You drive around shooting each other, INNOVATION! (NOT). It's a gimmick nothing else. It's a demo. I would not call this a game at all.
You need 2 special additional controllers. You need the room at home for it. Additional cost and requirements.
I can just see the accidents happening with people tripping over the cord or bumping into furniture.
PS: This is category #2. Playground, demo, mini game.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
...and FFVI is 'just a game', Convergence 'just a painting', Faure's requiem 'just a mass'...
You seem to be unable to put aside your rigid set of beliefs regarding this technology. I'll admit it has flaws, but nothing is perfect. Your inability to see anything positive, whimsical, or inspiring relating to anything regarding this project should be enough to convince anyone that has a passing interest in gaming to disregard your opinion on this matter.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar Authored 139 missions in VendettaOnline and 6 tracks in Distance
...and FFVI is 'just a game', Convergence 'just a painting', Faure's requiem 'just a mass'...
You seem to be unable to put aside your rigid set of beliefs regarding this technology. I'll admit it has flaws, but nothing is perfect. Your inability to see anything positive, whimsical, or inspiring relating to anything regarding this project should be enough to convince anyone that has a passing interest in gaming to disregard your opinion on this matter.
Can you name one single thing that is innovative in the video you showed?
Can i do anything different or new in the game compared to a regular screen + mouse?
Can you counter a single of my arguments? (probably not, looking at your reply)
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
You have the group of people, which I belong to, who simply lack the interest in VR even if it was given to us for free. Just like you can't get some people on a rollercoaster no matter how much you try. I'm not going to try VR no matter how much you try to convince me. I would love to explain you why I feel this way, but I can't.
The thing is, I don't think the group I belong to is small, I think it's quite large.
...and FFVI is 'just a game', Convergence 'just a painting', Faure's requiem 'just a mass'...
You seem to be unable to put aside your rigid set of beliefs regarding this technology. I'll admit it has flaws, but nothing is perfect. Your inability to see anything positive, whimsical, or inspiring relating to anything regarding this project should be enough to convince anyone that has a passing interest in gaming to disregard your opinion on this matter.
Can you name one single thing that is innovative in the video you showed?
Can you counter a single of my arguments? (probably not, looking at your reply)
The ability to aim your weapon using both gesture-based point shooting and sight aiming seems like positive innovation to the shooter genre, as does ducking behind cover that you've collected and built.
The person in the video doesn't appear to be "tripping over the cord or bumping into furniture."
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar Authored 139 missions in VendettaOnline and 6 tracks in Distance
...and FFVI is 'just a game', Convergence 'just a painting', Faure's requiem 'just a mass'...
You seem to be unable to put aside your rigid set of beliefs regarding this technology. I'll admit it has flaws, but nothing is perfect. Your inability to see anything positive, whimsical, or inspiring relating to anything regarding this project should be enough to convince anyone that has a passing interest in gaming to disregard your opinion on this matter.
Can you name one single thing that is innovative in the video you showed?
Can you counter a single of my arguments? (probably not, looking at your reply)
The ability to aim your weapon using both gesture-based point shooting and sight aiming seems like positive innovation to the shooter genre, as does ducking behind cover that you've collected and built.
The person in the video doesn't appear to be "tripping over the cord or bumping into furniture."
You know what innovation means right? Look it up.
I don't see any innovation in point and shoot. The Wii can do that. I don't see anything i could not do with the keyboard and mouse.
The "game" is beyond simplistic. It's a little VR demo that has no substance.
The person has a huge room and he is nearly tripping a few times. You know that not everyone has this huge room available and you very well know that people will trip over the cords. It's unavoidable.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
...and FFVI is 'just a game', Convergence 'just a painting', Faure's requiem 'just a mass'...
You seem to be unable to put aside your rigid set of beliefs regarding this technology. I'll admit it has flaws, but nothing is perfect. Your inability to see anything positive, whimsical, or inspiring relating to anything regarding this project should be enough to convince anyone that has a passing interest in gaming to disregard your opinion on this matter.
Can you name one single thing that is innovative in the video you showed?
Can you counter a single of my arguments? (probably not, looking at your reply)
The ability to aim your weapon using both gesture-based point shooting and sight aiming seems like positive innovation to the shooter genre, as does ducking behind cover that you've collected and built.
The person in the video doesn't appear to be "tripping over the cord or bumping into furniture."
You know what innovation means right? Look it up.
I don't see any innovation in point and shoot. The Wii can do that. I don't see anything i could not do with the keyboard and mouse.
The "game" is beyond simplistic. It's a little VR demo that has no substance.
The person has a huge room and he is nearly tripping a few times. You know that not everyone has this huge room available and you very well know that people will trip over the cords. It's unavoidable.
All you asked for was "one single thing that is innovative" about the video and that I "counter a single of" your "arguments". I did both.
You know as well as I that the Wii can't grant perspective like the Oculus Rift, the fact you are comparing the two at all is quite hilarious.
You seem content to babble on about a technology that you own, but apparently know nothing about. I doubt this will change until kingdom come. With all your drawing hard lines about strict "innovation", you should understand that innovation is a process that relies on existing ideas:
From part 3: "The act of creation is surrounded by a fog of myths; myths that creativity comes via inspiration, that original creations break the mould, that they're the products of geniuses, and appear as quickly as electricity can heat a filament. But creativity isn't magic: it happens by applying ordinary tools of thought to existing materials"
This discussion seems to have reached its productive limit.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar Authored 139 missions in VendettaOnline and 6 tracks in Distance
You have the group of people, which I belong to, who simply lack the interest in VR even if it was given to us for free. Just like you can't get some people on a rollercoaster no matter how much you try. I'm not going to try VR no matter how much you try to convince me. I would love to explain you why I feel this way, but I can't.
The thing is, I don't think the group I belong to is small, I think it's quite large.
You won't even try it? No offence but you don't understand what its like to experience and use one of these VR headsets. I'd understand if you tried it and didn't like it, got motion sick from it, or just didn't think it was worth the money, but not using it no matter how much someone gets you to try it just sounds extremely stubborn. Unless you worded that wrong and you have tried it then apologies!
You have the group of people, which I belong to, who simply lack the interest in VR even if it was given to us for free. Just like you can't get some people on a rollercoaster no matter how much you try. I'm not going to try VR no matter how much you try to convince me. I would love to explain you why I feel this way, but I can't.
The thing is, I don't think the group I belong to is small, I think it's quite large.
You won't even try it? No offence but you don't understand what its like to experience and use one of these VR headsets. I'd understand if you tried it and didn't like it, got motion sick from it, or just didn't think it was worth the money, but not using it no matter how much someone gets you to try it just sounds extremely stubborn. Unless you worded that wrong and you have tried it then apologies!
No, you read it right. It's the concept as a whole, that I feel uncomfortable with. The idea of putting a screen this close to your eyes, the idea of isolating yourself from your surroundings to such an extent, the motion sickness people talk about.
And your argument is totally fair. I haven't experience it, therefore my argument isn't as strong or even credible as someone who did try it and didn't like it. But my argument isn't very different from someone who refuses to try a rollercoaster.
If VR is a massive success,, maybe I can be persuaded to try it after there are no long term negative health effects. I just have little faith in the concept.
...and FFVI is 'just a game', Convergence 'just a painting', Faure's requiem 'just a mass'...
You seem to be unable to put aside your rigid set of beliefs regarding this technology. I'll admit it has flaws, but nothing is perfect. Your inability to see anything positive, whimsical, or inspiring relating to anything regarding this project should be enough to convince anyone that has a passing interest in gaming to disregard your opinion on this matter.
Can you name one single thing that is innovative in the video you showed?
Can you counter a single of my arguments? (probably not, looking at your reply)
The ability to aim your weapon using both gesture-based point shooting and sight aiming seems like positive innovation to the shooter genre, as does ducking behind cover that you've collected and built.
The person in the video doesn't appear to be "tripping over the cord or bumping into furniture."
You know what innovation means right? Look it up.
I don't see any innovation in point and shoot. The Wii can do that. I don't see anything i could not do with the keyboard and mouse.
The "game" is beyond simplistic. It's a little VR demo that has no substance.
The person has a huge room and he is nearly tripping a few times. You know that not everyone has this huge room available and you very well know that people will trip over the cords. It's unavoidable.
All you asked for was "one single thing that is innovative" about the video and that I "counter a single of" your "arguments". I did both.
You know as well as I that the Wii can't grant perspective like the Oculus Rift, the fact you are comparing the two at all is quite hilarious.
You seem content to babble on about a technology that you own, but apparently know nothing about. I doubt this will change until kingdom come. With all your drawing hard lines about strict "innovation", you should understand that innovation is a process that relies on existing ideas:
From part 3: "The act of creation is surrounded by a fog of myths; myths that creativity comes via inspiration, that original creations break the mould, that they're the products of geniuses, and appear as quickly as electricity can heat a filament. But creativity isn't magic: it happens by applying ordinary tools of thought to existing materials"
This discussion seems to have reached its productive limit.
Can you even read? I said the Wii has point and shoot. So have multiple other devices before. That is not an innovation.
You don't know the difference between innovative and derivative. What you describe and the link you posted is called derivative.
You know yourself that the video you linked is not innovative and the game is boring. You just don't want to admit it. I get it, you want to like VR. That is fine. Just say so.
1. Name one innovation in the video 2. Name something i can not do with a Monitor, mouse and keyboard.
Point and Shoot is not an innovation. VR is not an innovation. Head tracking is not an innovation. A game where you can drive around and shoot other players is not an innovation.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
@MrSnuffles i think we need to see if the games coming out are worth the price first.
The games coming out will be playable with and without the OR. No developer is crazy enough to develop for the OR only. (except some indie developers).
What we can expect are:
1. A ton of slender-man-haunted-house-jump-scare-youtube-pewdiepie-screaming-horror-shit-games. 2. A ton of demo like playground games with little mini games, moving objects, doing boring stuff in a VR room simulation. 3. A ton of regular games enabled through VorpX to work with the OR and hooking mouse-look into head movement which is neat but ultimately nothing special. 4. A handful of AAA games with distinct OR support but also limited to head movement since that is pretty much the only thing OR adds to the experience. People will still be able to play these AAA titles without an OR.
For me that is simple not enough to put up with the inconvenience and price of this gadget.
2 years and this fad is dead.
Where, @MrSnuffles , in your narrow list of categorizations would you place the following game?:
Tell me that isn't the least bit innovative or doesn't look like fun.
It is not in the least bit innovative (its derivative not innovative) and no it does not look like fun. It looks like a Wii game with head tracking.
It also looks like an OH&S nightmare, those cables are a falling hazard and the lack of awareness of the real objects in the room is a safety hazard with potentially fatal consequences. No this is a bad demo (no 2 on MrSnuffles list).
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I am more excited about the Vive.
I play MMOs for the Forum PVP
Tell me that isn't the least bit innovative or doesn't look like fun.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
I don't see anything new in this game. VR is not new, gun controllers are not new. It actually looks extremely boring and repetitive. You drive around shooting each other, INNOVATION! (NOT). It's a gimmick nothing else. It's a demo. I would not call this a game at all.
You need 2 special additional controllers. You need the room at home for it. Additional cost and requirements.
I can just see the accidents happening with people tripping over the cord or bumping into furniture.
PS: This is category #2. Playground, demo, mini game.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
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...and FFVI is 'just a game', Convergence 'just a painting', Faure's requiem 'just a mass'...
You seem to be unable to put aside your rigid set of beliefs regarding this technology. I'll admit it has flaws, but nothing is perfect. Your inability to see anything positive, whimsical, or inspiring relating to anything regarding this project should be enough to convince anyone that has a passing interest in gaming to disregard your opinion on this matter.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
Can i do anything different or new in the game compared to a regular screen + mouse?
Can you counter a single of my arguments? (probably not, looking at your reply)
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
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The thing is, I don't think the group I belong to is small, I think it's quite large.
The person in the video doesn't appear to be "tripping over the cord or bumping into furniture."
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
I don't see any innovation in point and shoot. The Wii can do that.
I don't see anything i could not do with the keyboard and mouse.
The "game" is beyond simplistic. It's a little VR demo that has no substance.
The person has a huge room and he is nearly tripping a few times. You know that not everyone has this huge room available and you very well know that people will trip over the cords. It's unavoidable.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
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You know as well as I that the Wii can't grant perspective like the Oculus Rift, the fact you are comparing the two at all is quite hilarious.
You seem content to babble on about a technology that you own, but apparently know nothing about. I doubt this will change until kingdom come. With all your drawing hard lines about strict "innovation", you should understand that innovation is a process that relies on existing ideas:
http://everythingisaremix.info/watch-the-series/
From part 3: "The act of creation is surrounded by a fog of myths; myths that creativity comes via inspiration, that original creations break the mould, that they're the products of geniuses, and appear as quickly as electricity can heat a filament. But creativity isn't magic: it happens by applying ordinary tools of thought to existing materials"
This discussion seems to have reached its productive limit.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
And your argument is totally fair. I haven't experience it, therefore my argument isn't as strong or even credible as someone who did try it and didn't like it. But my argument isn't very different from someone who refuses to try a rollercoaster.
If VR is a massive success,, maybe I can be persuaded to try it after there are no long term negative health effects. I just have little faith in the concept.
Can you even read? I said the Wii has point and shoot. So have multiple other devices before. That is not an innovation.
You don't know the difference between innovative and derivative. What you describe and the link you posted is called derivative.
You know yourself that the video you linked is not innovative and the game is boring. You just don't want to admit it. I get it, you want to like VR. That is fine. Just say so.
1. Name one innovation in the video
2. Name something i can not do with a Monitor, mouse and keyboard.
Point and Shoot is not an innovation.
VR is not an innovation.
Head tracking is not an innovation.
A game where you can drive around and shoot other players is not an innovation.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
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my arms get tired. Seriously.
in my opinion this is why Duck Hunt failed.
It looks like a Wii game with head tracking.
It also looks like an OH&S nightmare, those cables are a falling hazard and the lack of awareness of the real objects in the room is a safety hazard with potentially fatal consequences. No this is a bad demo (no 2 on MrSnuffles list).
BTW Head tracking is easy you can even build your own fro under $50 http://www.maximumpc.com/how-to-build-your-own-ir-head-tracker/