I think there are 2 main groups in this discussion. - Criticizers of the game: People who haven't given up on the game and are criticizing the game/CIG to make it better - Whales United: People who want the game to answer their demands at the cost of other supporters not getting the promised features. These people will accuse anyone criticizing their dream of the game of being a DS shill, since they don't mind people getting scammed to reach their dream of a game.
Your missing a couple groups, there are really 4 groups, please refer to my previous post.
TLDR: your missing the two groups that are on the fence but leaning in opposite directions although they could be considered being of the same group to make a total of 3 groups in all.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Exactly, this shows how much they BS us on the game and numbers. Last I heard from all those listed on site only about 500k are actual supporters.
This is why none of us can believe anything Chris says. Sad really this could of been a good game if it was run by someone that knew how to make a game. Instead we have someone that wants to make movies not an actual game.
Something that is intended as just a testing module does not receive time and money put towards logos, art work, and all the pomp and circumstance of a full game.
It may not have been a separate game, but trying use the word module to try to claim it was an insignificant piece of the game is disingenuous.
So you assume they wouldnt spend time on making a logo for it and that makes their actions disingenuous? Please you have to see how ridiculous that statement is.
It is a module, it was always stated that it was the name for the FPS module and as I stated all the options that FPS was going to offer via the module is being tested in the PTU right now....so wth.
Seems to me like you kids just dont follow the development, getting too much of your news from the troll patrol in these forums. It was always a temp module, it was never a standalone game, they never said it was going to be and your logo point is ridiculous.
I think there are 2 main groups in this discussion. - Criticizers of the game: People who haven't given up on the game and are criticizing the game/CIG to make it better - Whales United: People who want the game to answer their demands at the cost of other supporters not getting the promised features. These people will accuse anyone criticizing their dream of the game of being a DS shill, since they don't mind people getting scammed to reach their dream of a game.
Your missing a couple groups, there are really 4 groups, please refer to my previous post.
TLDR: your missing the two groups that are on the fence but leaning in opposite directions although they could be considered being of the same group to make a total of 3 groups in all.
There may be people not yet fitting in either group but they are very few and will eventually fall into one of the groups.
Anyone who thinks people can be broadly divided into two sides is beginning from a position of extreme ignorance. Trust me when I say there are people in this thread who fall into neither category. For instance I am happy to read any pro or critical posts based on facts and evidence. What I can't tolerate are hit pieces made up of "poor interpretations of text" or "my opinion is fact".
I think the trick is knowing what is a fact and what is an opinion and ofc like you say some thick skin.
I call them Fox News facts, ya know total opinion screamed by the broadcasters as FAAACCTTTT! loudly enough that some people start too believe it. Facts are backed by evidence. Often we see misinterpretations of quotes or down right distortions of statements all done with the least amount of charity to the presenter. These are never more than opinions or falsehoods.
I think the trick is knowing what is a fact and what is an opinion and ofc like you say some thick skin.
I call them Fox News facts, ya know total opinion screamed by the broadcasters as FAAACCTTTT! loudly enough that some people start too believe it. Facts are backed by evidence. Often we see misinterpretations of quotes or down right distortions of statements all done with the least amount of charity to the presenter. These are never more than opinions or falsehoods.
Agreed, which is why I can't agree with Eadan1 and his statement that at some point we will all fall into one of two groups...that's far far too black or white.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Something that is intended as just a testing module does not receive time and money put towards logos, art work, and all the pomp and circumstance of a full game.
It may not have been a separate game, but trying use the word module to try to claim it was an insignificant piece of the game is disingenuous.
So you assume they wouldnt spend time on making a logo for it and that makes their actions disingenuous? Please you have to see how ridiculous that statement is.
It is a module, it was always stated that it was the name for the FPS module and as I stated all the options that FPS was going to offer via the module is being tested in the PTU right now....so wth.
Seems to me like you kids just dont follow the development, getting too much of your news from the troll patrol in these forums. It was always a temp module, it was never a standalone game, they never said it was going to be and your logo point is ridiculous.
So all the promised features are currently in the mPU being tested? If that's the case then the upset fans on the SC website must actually be Derek Smarts alt accounts trying to stir up shit?
sorry but you don't develop a logo for something temporary unless you are admitting Chris Roberts likes to waste money and resources on useless things? You also don't devote your time to creating huge postings about Star Marine and its promised features, create a teaser trailer to generate hype, show off footage to generate more hype and talk in length about all the bug squashing you are doing in order to get this out to everyone unless again you are admitting that Chris Roberts just loves wasting time and resources.
But we all know how much Chris loves to run his mouth and make shit up that he will try and back peddle out of later. Someone needs to seriously muzzle him since he is his own worst enemy.
18.000 of those new arrivals have joined before the free flight weekend has been announced.
What was the point you wanted to make ?
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Or the web site was updated to make it look that way. That is the biggest problem, is you can't trust anything with SC CIG and CR from how he says different things in different years. How he changes the TOS to only suit him. You just refuse to accept that or some other thing you are not saying. :-D
Sadly the existence of those people is actually what is scaring people away from SC more than anything.
They must be really scared. Another 20.000 "Star Citizens" have joined since the last update.
Yep, clearly scared.
Have fun
And yet again you misrepresent that number. Star Citizens is just the number of accounts created on the website, as CIG do a lot of free weeks and weekends, of course the number will go up. The Star Citizen number has nothing to do with how many have spent money on the game. Even the UEE fleet number is just the number of ships people have purchased. In fact CIG have not said how many people have actually backed the game.
Please stop misrepresenting data.
Edit: the funny thing is that you know this and have been corrected multiple times, yet you keep spreading this misinformation. Why is that?
And yet again you misrepresent that number. Star Citizens is just the number of accounts created on the website, as CIG do a lot of free weeks and weekends, of course the number will go up. The Star Citizen number has nothing to do with how many have spent money on the game. Even the UEE fleet number is just the number of ships people have purchased. In fact CIG have not said how many people have actually backed the game.
Please stop misrepresenting data.
Edit: the funny thing is that you know this and have been corrected multiple times, yet you keep spreading this misinformation. Why is that?
Please point me to the post where i claim that "Star Citizens" means "number of people that have spent money in the game".
I will make it easier for you. You will find about half a dozen posts made by me where i give my personal estimate that there are about half a million genuine individuals supporting this project with cash (some people have multiple accounts, some people have more than one ship). Compare that half million with 1,191,542 "Star Citizens" and 906,245 "UEE Fleet". Yes, that is a only personal guestimate.
What misinformation have i spread exactly in my post today in the thread Star Citizen Crowdfunding Milestones Discussion ? I am quoting numbers from official sources. No more, no less. Everyone can read that data:
One can believe it, one can think its fake ... its up to the reader to decide. Me - personally - I do not think the numbers are fake.
You will find posts made by me in the above mentioned thread where i state exactly that "UEE fleet number is the number of ships people have purchased". Starting with the time this has been officially clarified by the CIG community manager (before that date i was under the impression that UEE Fleet represented the number of paying backers ... this was an incorrect assumption and has been corrected since that official statement).
Furthermore you will find no post made by me that states that CIG has said how many people have actually backed the game with money. To my knowledge this number is not known in the general public.
So ... once again ... please point out where i am "misrepresenting data".
The best part about this star marine thing is that all the quotes and links being posted about the features and what was promised was straight from Chris Roberts himself. The white knights can't use their usual strategies, blaming it on "opinions" and "not actual facts" because it's their leader spewing all this crap out. It's great!
And yet again you misrepresent that number. Star Citizens is just the number of accounts created on the website, as CIG do a lot of free weeks and weekends, of course the number will go up. The Star Citizen number has nothing to do with how many have spent money on the game. Even the UEE fleet number is just the number of ships people have purchased. In fact CIG have not said how many people have actually backed the game.
Please stop misrepresenting data.
Edit: the funny thing is that you know this and have been corrected multiple times, yet you keep spreading this misinformation. Why is that?
Please point me to the post where i claim that "Star Citizens" means "number of people that have spent money in the game".
I will make it easier for you. You will find about half a dozen posts made by me where i give my personal estimate that there are about half a million genuine individuals supporting this project with cash (some people have multiple accounts, some people have more than one ship). Compare that half million with 1,191,542 "Star Citizens" and 906,245 "UEE Fleet". Yes, that is a only personal guestimate.
What misinformation have i spread exactly in my post today in the thread Star Citizen Crowdfunding Milestones Discussion ? I am quoting numbers from official sources. No more, no less. Everyone can read that data:
One can believe it, one can think its fake ... its up to the reader to decide. Me - personally - I do not think the numbers are fake.
You will find posts made by me in the above mentioned thread where i state exactly that "UEE fleet number is the number of ships people have purchased". Starting with the time this has been officially clarified by the CIG community manager (before that date i was under the impression that UEE Fleet represented the number of paying backers ... this was an incorrect assumption and has been corrected since that official statement).
Furthermore you will find no post made by me that states that CIG has said how many people have actually backed the game with money. To my knowledge this number is not known in the general public.
So ... once again ... please point out where i am "misrepresenting data".
Have fun
HAHAHAHAHAHA You just don't get it do you. You are predictable and I like that about you. But for the rest of it you know more than anyone that you been advertising SC and putting as much good light on it as you can. You also must know a lot of us aren't stupid and can see thru what you are and have been doing.
HAHAHAHAHAHA You just don't get it do you. You are predictable and I like that about you. But for the rest of it you know more than anyone that you been advertising SC and putting as much good light on it as you can. You also must know a lot of us aren't stupid and can see thru what you are and have been doing.
Have a good day.
Still waiting for the link from you or someone else.
but with stupid ammount money s.c can hire 30 to do same job and delivery 1/8 from 1 dev
Yeah you're right, SC can keep dumping money done the poophole without any regard to proper financial responsibility....just like they've been doing. You sound like every Star Citizen backer, hahaha it's so sad.
but with stupid ammount money s.c can hire 30 to do same job and delivery 1/8 from 1 dev
Yeah you're right, SC can keep dumping money done the poophole without any regard to proper financial responsibility....just like they've been doing. You sound like every Star Citizen backer, hahaha it's so sad.
Your personal assumptions as to their actions are equally sad. Again your opinions do not count as facts. You personally have no knowledge of their inner workings or financial state, nor do I, nor does anyone in this or the other threads.
So speaking of poopholes was well said cuz they are just like opinions, everyone has one.
but with stupid ammount money s.c can hire 30 to do same job and delivery 1/8 from 1 dev
Yeah you're right, SC can keep dumping money done the poophole without any regard to proper financial responsibility....just like they've been doing. You sound like every Star Citizen backer, hahaha it's so sad.
Your personal assumptions as to their actions are equally sad. Again your opinions do not count as facts. You personally have no knowledge of their inner workings or financial state, nor do I, nor does anyone in this or the other threads.
So speaking of poopholes was well said cuz they are just like opinions, everyone has one.
It's an assumption that Chris Roberts bought 3 Porsches? That he has a house that costs 17k a month? that he has a personal chef? That sandi uses company assets to further her own "acting" aspirations? That they scrapped an entire FPS module they spent how many years working on? Really? You're clueless. Go outside for a bit, talk to some real people face to face, development a mind of your own, it'll do you some good. Oh and don't forget the hundreds of thousands of dollars on furniture.
Sorry I am far from clueless. I simply refuse to accept conjecture and supposition as fact.
You seem to be under the assumption (there is that word again eh?) that I blindly believe anything Roberts says simply because I call BS on your "facts". You are wrong.
It's an assumption that Chris Roberts bought 3 Porsches?
Proof ?
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Just to be clear I am not saying if he did or didn't but simply that you proclaim he did. That leaves you with the burden of proof my friend. So you have some evidence or are you talking out of your opinion?
Sorry I am far from clueless. I simply refuse to accept conjecture and supposition as fact.
You seem to be under the assumption (there is that word again eh?) that I blindly believe anything Roberts says simply because I call BS on your "facts". You are wrong.
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Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
TLDR: your missing the two groups that are on the fence but leaning in opposite directions although they could be considered being of the same group to make a total of 3 groups in all.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
https://dowlphinblog.wordpress.com/2016/01/30/star-citizen-free-flight-weekend/
This is why none of us can believe anything Chris says. Sad really this could of been a good game if it was run by someone that knew how to make a game. Instead we have someone that wants to make movies not an actual game.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
It is a module, it was always stated that it was the name for the FPS module and as I stated all the options that FPS was going to offer via the module is being tested in the PTU right now....so wth.
Seems to me like you kids just dont follow the development, getting too much of your news from the troll patrol in these forums. It was always a temp module, it was never a standalone game, they never said it was going to be and your logo point is ridiculous.
Trust me when I say there are people in this thread who fall into neither category.
For instance I am happy to read any pro or critical posts based on facts and evidence. What I can't tolerate are hit pieces made up of "poor interpretations of text" or "my opinion is fact".
Facts are backed by evidence.
Often we see misinterpretations of quotes or down right distortions of statements all done with the least amount of charity to the presenter. These are never more than opinions or falsehoods.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
18.000 of those new arrivals have joined before the free flight weekend has been announced.
What was the point you wanted to make ?
Have fun
sorry but you don't develop a logo for something temporary unless you are admitting Chris Roberts likes to waste money and resources on useless things? You also don't devote your time to creating huge postings about Star Marine and its promised features, create a teaser trailer to generate hype, show off footage to generate more hype and talk in length about all the bug squashing you are doing in order to get this out to everyone unless again you are admitting that Chris Roberts just loves wasting time and resources.
But we all know how much Chris loves to run his mouth and make shit up that he will try and back peddle out of later. Someone needs to seriously muzzle him since he is his own worst enemy.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
Please stop misrepresenting data.
Edit: the funny thing is that you know this and have been corrected multiple times, yet you keep spreading this misinformation. Why is that?
I will make it easier for you. You will find about half a dozen posts made by me where i give my personal estimate that there are about half a million genuine individuals supporting this project with cash (some people have multiple accounts, some people have more than one ship). Compare that half million with 1,191,542 "Star Citizens" and 906,245 "UEE Fleet". Yes, that is a only personal guestimate.
What misinformation have i spread exactly in my post today in the thread Star Citizen Crowdfunding Milestones Discussion ? I am quoting numbers from official sources. No more, no less. Everyone can read that data:
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/funding-goals
One can believe it, one can think its fake ... its up to the reader to decide. Me - personally - I do not think the numbers are fake.
You will find posts made by me in the above mentioned thread where i state exactly that "UEE fleet number is the number of ships people have purchased". Starting with the time this has been officially clarified by the CIG community manager (before that date i was under the impression that UEE Fleet represented the number of paying backers ... this was an incorrect assumption and has been corrected since that official statement).
Furthermore you will find no post made by me that states that CIG has said how many people have actually backed the game with money. To my knowledge this number is not known in the general public.
So ... once again ... please point out where i am "misrepresenting data".
Have fun
Have a good day.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
Have fun
but with stupid ammount money s.c can hire 30 to do same job and delivery 1/8 from 1 dev
Again your opinions do not count as facts.
You personally have no knowledge of their inner workings or financial state, nor do I, nor does anyone in this or the other threads.
So speaking of poopholes was well said cuz they are just like opinions, everyone has one.
Sorry I am far from clueless. I simply refuse to accept conjecture and supposition as fact.
You seem to be under the assumption (there is that word again eh?) that I blindly believe anything Roberts says simply because I call BS on your "facts". You are wrong.
Have fun
So you have some evidence or are you talking out of your opinion?