Please point me to the post where i claim that "Star Citizens" means "number of people that have spent money in the game".
You implied it, by using that number when talking about people buying the game. Like I said, you misrepresented what that number means.
I just find it odd that you continue to misrepresent that data and then lash back every time someone has to correct you. Perhaps if you actually used that information correctly the first time this would not happen.
You are right you do talk about it correctly but only after someone has to point out how you are misrepresenting it.
This is correct. Also, you screw up sometimes, Erillion. Data is supposedly from "crowdfunded data available to all", yet you boldface claim you're not citing "number of people that have spent money...", therefore you have access to data from inside the company, a figure of independent accounts, some email list or some such, to which others do not.
This is the second time I've caught you with info only an employee would have. Conveniently for you, the first time has been questionably removed from my comment record on this site, as I imagine this post, too, soon will be.
I posted this in the other thread that is closed but it is worth repeating. SC supporters will post a lot but what are the actual actions? Well, lets have a look at this sub-reddit; https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_trades My oh my! Looks like most are looking to get out! Look at that sudden influx of activities in that sub-reddit with the majority of them being 'Sell'.
Oh sorry, I've yet again forgot that the narrative is 'Real Life happened so I need to cash out'. Jeez, I wonder why 'Real Life' occurred for every SC Supporters at the same time? /Sarcasm
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
I posted this in the other thread that is closed but it is worth repeating. SC supporters will post a lot but what are the actual actions? Well, lets have a look at this sub-reddit; https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_trades My oh my! Looks like most are looking to get out! Look at that sudden influx of activities in that sub-reddit with the majority of them being 'Sell'.
Oh sorry, I've yet again forgot that the narrative is 'Real Life happened so I need to cash out'. Jeez, I wonder why 'Real Life' occurred for every SC Supporters at the same time? /Sarcasm
The house CR bought and cars he bought with funded money is really an old story which we all know about.
You mean that "totally credible" story based on anonymous sources claiming to be fired ex-employees ?
Anyway ... to bring this post back on topic ... if the two devs that left CIG are as dissatisfied as is claimed, they will surely be sources for the next Escapist article, right ?!
Have fun
Whatever happened to that ultimatum given by Roberts to the Escapist for them to "apologize with in 24 hours" or else?
Serious question here. Did they apologize? Did Roberts back down?
The house CR bought and cars he bought with funded money is really an old story which we all know about.
You mean that "totally credible" story based on anonymous sources claiming to be fired ex-employees ?
Anyway ... to bring this post back on topic ... if the two devs that left CIG are as dissatisfied as is claimed, they will surely be sources for the next Escapist article, right ?!
Have fun
Whatever happened to that ultimatum given by Roberts to the Escapist for "apologize with in 24 hours" or else?
Serious question here. Did they apologize? Did Roberts back down?
Escapsit responded by stating they stand by what they said. So the Escapist left it in Roberts court for the next action, but as far as the public knows, nothing happened.
The house CR bought and cars he bought with funded money is really an old story which we all know about.
You mean that "totally credible" story based on anonymous sources claiming to be fired ex-employees ?
Anyway ... to bring this post back on topic ... if the two devs that left CIG are as dissatisfied as is claimed, they will surely be sources for the next Escapist article, right ?!
Have fun
Whatever happened to that ultimatum given by Roberts to the Escapist for "apologize with in 24 hours" or else?
Serious question here. Did they apologize? Did Roberts back down?
Escapsit responded by stating they stand by what they said. So the Escapist left it in Roberts court for the next action, but as far as the public knows, nothing happened.
I posted this in the other thread that is closed but it is worth repeating. SC supporters will post a lot but what are the actual actions? Well, lets have a look at this sub-reddit; https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_trades My oh my! Looks like most are looking to get out! Look at that sudden influx of activities in that sub-reddit with the majority of them being 'Sell'.
Oh sorry, I've yet again forgot that the narrative is 'Real Life happened so I need to cash out'. Jeez, I wonder why 'Real Life' occurred for every SC Supporters at the same time? /Sarcasm
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Can't... breathe...
That's bloody brilliant.
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The house CR bought and cars he bought with funded money is really an old story which we all know about.
You mean that "totally credible" story based on anonymous sources claiming to be fired ex-employees ?
Have fun
escape artist reported that they verified the identity of the ex employee by their pay stubs from the company.
They also said they verified them using a "Cloud Imperium Games ID with the name blacked out." This was proven to either be a lie on The Escapist's part, or forgery, as CIG does not have company IDs. They have RFID door cards with no identifiable information on them and that you can purchase online for $0.77 . The Escapist was so inept in their vetting process, that they didn't even know that CIG didn't have company IDs.
Anyone who thinks people can be broadly divided into two sides is beginning from a position of extreme ignorance. Trust me when I say there are people in this thread who fall into neither category. For instance I am happy to read any pro or critical posts based on facts and evidence. What I can't tolerate are hit pieces made up of "poor interpretations of text" or "my opinion is fact".
Yes you are a reader not a discusser. At some point you will either give up on SC and not even read the discussion, or decide which of the 2 groups I suggested you will belong in.
Doubtful that I'm going anywhere. I've been here for 10 years I am not going anywhere. As to sides. I don't believe there are ever two camps. There are the far wings and the often largely ignored center. I will continue to read all the posts and ask for evidence when someone declares something a fact.
*Edit: Ugh actually 11.5 years, where the hell does the time go.
They also said they verified them using a "Cloud Imperium Games ID with the name blacked out." This was proven to either be a lie on The Escapist's part, or forgery, as CIG does not have company IDs. They have RFID door cards with no identifiable information on them and that you can purchase online for $0.77 . The Escapist was so inept in their vetting process, that they didn't even know that CIG didn't have company IDs.
And soon as 2 people with the name John Smith are starting to work for CIG the whole HR database crashes and deletes itself.
Oh and on top of this, if someone is loosing the PassCard they have to deactivate all cards because of security reasons (because they are not identifiable and can not be deactivated on single occassions though)
Sir, may I humble ask if you have ever worked in a security sealed environment? It is standard to have RFID PassKey/Card, Password and RSA SecurID before you can log in to your system.
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it. The cake is a lie.
Funny isn't it the only one's that tell the truth are CR fan boy's. Even the game sites lie. Yet CR also never lies, amazing. Tell me why hasn't CIG sued The Escapist yet?
And soon as 2 people with the name John Smith are starting to work for CIG the whole HR database crashes and deletes itself.
It doesn't seem like you know how databases work. Two people having the same name is never an issue in a database unless the person who set it up is completely clueless.
Oh and on top of this, if someone is loosing the PassCard they have to deactivate all cards because of security reasons (because they are not identifiable and can not be deactivated on single occassions though)
Losing a card would not be an issue in any system that relies on a properly designed database. Each person has a unique identifier associated to them, and all you'd have to do is discontinue that account ID.
Sir, may I humble ask if you have ever worked in a security sealed environment? It is standard to have RFID PassKey/Card, Password and RSA SecurID before you can log in to your system.
They don't use RFID workstation logins... The RFID badges they have are just door passes to keep random people from the street from entering their location. There is a lot of foot traffic in front of their Santa Monica office.
And yes, I've worked in security environments. Probably more than you.
And soon as 2 people with the name John Smith are starting to work for CIG the whole HR database crashes and deletes itself.
It doesn't seem like you know how databases work. Two people having the same name is never an issue in a database unless the person who set it up is completely clueless.
Oh and on top of this, if someone is loosing the PassCard they have to deactivate all cards because of security reasons (because they are not identifiable and can not be deactivated on single occassions though)
Losing a card would not be an issue in any system that relies on a properly designed database. Each person has a unique identifier associated to them, and all you'd have to do is discontinue that account ID.
Sir, may I humble ask if you have ever worked in a security sealed environment? It is standard to have RFID PassKey/Card, Password and RSA SecurID before you can log in to your system.
They don't use RFID workstation logins... The RFID badges they have are just door passes to keep random people from the street from entering their location. There is a lot of foot traffic in front of their Santa Monica office.
And yes, I've worked in security environments. Probably more than you.
Sorry sir, I did not meant to offend you, and I would have written it in an other way if I just had known your inability to understand sarcasm. Nevertheless thank you for the comment that they have indeed an employee ID and that this number is printed somewhere for convenience for unimportant stuff like tax accounting.
PostScriptum To "To log in to your system" I have to at least open 2 doors, you know our workstations are not on the parking lot anymore since we've got an office building.
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it. The cake is a lie.
The house CR bought and cars he bought with funded money is really an old story which we all know about.
You mean that "totally credible" story based on anonymous sources claiming to be fired ex-employees ?
Have fun
escape artist reported that they verified the identity of the ex employee by their pay stubs from the company.
They also said they verified them using a "Cloud Imperium Games ID with the name blacked out." This was proven to either be a lie on The Escapist's part, or forgery, as CIG does not have company IDs. They have RFID door cards with no identifiable information on them and that you can purchase online for $0.77 . The Escapist was so inept in their vetting process, that they didn't even know that CIG didn't have company IDs.
The house CR bought and cars he bought with funded money is really an old story which we all know about.
You mean that "totally credible" story based on anonymous sources claiming to be fired ex-employees ?
Have fun
escape artist reported that they verified the identity of the ex employee by their pay stubs from the company.
They also said they verified them using a "Cloud Imperium Games ID with the name blacked out." This was proven to either be a lie on The Escapist's part, or forgery, as CIG does not have company IDs. They have RFID door cards with no identifiable information on them and that you can purchase online for $0.77 . The Escapist was so inept in their vetting process, that they didn't even know that CIG didn't have company IDs.
It's not really true though is it. There was only one person that had an "ID card" alongside his/her pay stubs as identification. The way you're wording it makes it sound as though all of them were verified by non-existant ID card.
It's not really true though is it. There was only one person that had an "ID card" alongside his/her pay stubs as identification. The way you're wording it makes it sound as though all of them were verified by non-existant ID card.
It's an assumption that Chris Roberts bought 3 Porsches?
Proof ?
Have fun
Use google. Easy to find the picture of Disco Lando in front of one of them. I didn't even mention the car sandi is driving either, wooooo-eeee. The rabbit hole gets deeper.
I did use Google. And did not find such a picture. I found two other "Chris Roberts" (not the game developer) with Porsches. I found no picture with Disco Lando and a Porsche.
So ... feel free to post the link to the picture(s).
Have fun
PS: I found an article (in German) that Chris Roberts had a wager going on with another game developer about the number of copies of a game sold. Winner got a Porsche. But that was long before Star Citizen.
Congratulations! Your picture is foolproof evidence that somewhere someone in a Santa suit was in front of a car that was possibly a porche... and that is all it is proof of.
I love the fact that, even though in your mind your rebuttals make sense, to everyone else in this forum besides you and Ben/DiscoLando/Sandi/CR who pose as other forum goers, they can clearly see what I'm proving hahaha. It's so great. Like, you think I'm trying to prove something to you, but in reality I'm showing those on the fence about this what a giant cluster**** this whole thing is and how poorly CR is managing the money going into this project. Plz keep replying and wasting your time, I beg you.
Also lol at your shitty attempt to make the picture appear like someone random when it's clearly disco lando, on disco lando's twitter, in front of the CIG offices, talking about the livestream.
Folks, this is how twisted these people are. They'll claim they are staying neutral but they can't control their outbursts of white knightyness, the facade lasts 1-2 posts tops before you actually see their true selves come out.
Coming from the outside (not on either side, a true fence sitter) that picture, proves...nothing. I can walk outside take a selfie next to a car, and someone can say I own that car. I could do that with a tank as well. Maybe I'm missing something here, but it's not even like that guy is sitting on the car or next to the car, he could have parked his rusty rust bucket and walked to that location and stood in an empty parking space while that car is behind him.
You need something a bit more concrete if you're going to convince someone like me coming in the middle, something like a proof of owner ship with his signature, and no, tweets don't count, just like the internet anyone can say anything doesn't make it true. Give me someone more than a guy in a santa outfit with an expensive car in the background as proof that funds are wasted, this provides 0 evidence by itself of anything other than, this guy for the time being owns a santa outfit as that is literally all this picture proves.
PS. I'm bored, so i'm browsing the forums and happen to come along this post, so I have zero interest in a space game, and neither do I want the game to fail. I think some people are crazy for how much they throw at this game, but hey it's their money they can decide what they want to do with it.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
[...] Give me someone more than a guy in a santa outfit with an expensive car in the background as proof that funds are wasted, this provides 0 evidence by itself of anything other than, this guy for the time being owns a santa outfit as that is literally all this picture proves. [...]
You could play the "Find the RestorationHardware Furniture" minigame Just have a look at Santa Monica pics and videos and spot the expensive furniture
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it. The cake is a lie.
It's not really true though is it. There was only one person that had an "ID card" alongside his/her pay stubs as identification. The way you're wording it makes it sound as though all of them were verified by non-existant ID card.
It calls into question their entire vetting process. It means at least one of the sources was fraudulent. Not to mention, 9 people just happened to contact The Escapist within less than 48 hours. Yeah...that's not at all fishy.
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This is the second time I've caught you with info only an employee would have. Conveniently for you, the first time has been questionably removed from my comment record on this site, as I imagine this post, too, soon will be.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tMAP0fg-AKScI3S3VjrDW3OaLO4zgBA1RSYoQOQoNSI/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=122964468
Have fun
SC supporters will post a lot but what are the actual actions?
Well, lets have a look at this sub-reddit; https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_trades
My oh my! Looks like most are looking to get out! Look at that sudden influx of activities in that sub-reddit with the majority of them being 'Sell'.
Oh sorry, I've yet again forgot that the narrative is 'Real Life happened so I need to cash out'. Jeez, I wonder why 'Real Life' occurred for every SC Supporters at the same time? /Sarcasm
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
Serious question here. Did they apologize? Did Roberts back down?
That's bloody brilliant.
AN' DERE AIN'T NO SUCH FING AS ENUFF DAKKA, YA GROT! Enuff'z more than ya got an' less than too much an' there ain't no such fing as too much dakka. Say dere is, and me Squiggoff'z eatin' tonight!
We are born of the blood. Made men by the blood. Undone by the blood. Our eyes are yet to open. FEAR THE OLD BLOOD.
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They also said they verified them using a "Cloud Imperium Games ID with the name blacked out." This was proven to either be a lie on The Escapist's part, or forgery, as CIG does not have company IDs. They have RFID door cards with no identifiable information on them and that you can purchase online for $0.77 . The Escapist was so inept in their vetting process, that they didn't even know that CIG didn't have company IDs.
And as for a pay stub, those are easily forged in just a few minutes.
As to sides. I don't believe there are ever two camps. There are the far wings and the often largely ignored center.
I will continue to read all the posts and ask for evidence when someone declares something a fact.
*Edit: Ugh actually 11.5 years, where the hell does the time go.
Oh and on top of this, if someone is loosing the PassCard they have to deactivate all cards because of security reasons (because they are not identifiable and can not be deactivated on single occassions though)
Sir, may I humble ask if you have ever worked in a security sealed environment? It is standard to have RFID PassKey/Card, Password and RSA SecurID before you can log in to your system.
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
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Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
Losing a card would not be an issue in any system that relies on a properly designed database. Each person has a unique identifier associated to them, and all you'd have to do is discontinue that account ID.
They don't use RFID workstation logins... The RFID badges they have are just door passes to keep random people from the street from entering their location. There is a lot of foot traffic in front of their Santa Monica office.
And yes, I've worked in security environments. Probably more than you.
Nevertheless thank you for the comment that they have indeed an employee ID and that this number is printed somewhere for convenience for unimportant stuff like tax accounting.
PostScriptum
To "To log in to your system" I have to at least open 2 doors, you know our workstations are not on the parking lot anymore since we've got an office building.
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
Looks like FPS is working very well to me.
Here's another picture showing Disco Lando's Keycard, showing no identifiable information on it.
I showed sources. Where's your proof that nothing I said was accurate?
There was only one person that had an "ID card" alongside his/her pay stubs as identification. The way you're wording it makes it sound as though all of them were verified by non-existant ID card.
You need something a bit more concrete if you're going to convince someone like me coming in the middle, something like a proof of owner ship with his signature, and no, tweets don't count, just like the internet anyone can say anything doesn't make it true. Give me someone more than a guy in a santa outfit with an expensive car in the background as proof that funds are wasted, this provides 0 evidence by itself of anything other than, this guy for the time being owns a santa outfit as that is literally all this picture proves.
PS. I'm bored, so i'm browsing the forums and happen to come along this post, so I have zero interest in a space game, and neither do I want the game to fail. I think some people are crazy for how much they throw at this game, but hey it's their money they can decide what they want to do with it.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Just have a look at Santa Monica pics and videos and spot the expensive furniture
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.