Ahh calling me out for being honest as a defense of your dishonesty. I can't claim suprise. What a mature adult would do is concede they were in error.
Like it or not you are part of society and by joining this forum also part of a community. Both have rules. One has laws. You broke the basic rule of honesty which I would like to think we would all appreciate from each other, but worse you went further and wish to condone and support criminal behavior that damages your very hobby.
Your behavior is poor.
What dishonesty? I haven't been dishonest with anyone.
Murph, while I enjoy many of your posts, you really are splitting hairs on this one. Torrenting a game you did not pay for can easily be considered theft.
In a moral sense sure, it's taking something that you don't have a right to - I don't disagree with that but under legal terminology torrenting isn't actually classed as theft. I'm a bit of a pedant for absolute statements.
Well, I am sure some people now in jail also thought it is not theft.
Ahh calling me out for being honest as a defense of your dishonesty. I can't claim suprise. What a mature adult would do is concede they were in error.
Like it or not you are part of society and by joining this forum also part of a community. Both have rules. One has laws. You broke the basic rule of honesty which I would like to think we would all appreciate from each other, but worse you went further and wish to condone and support criminal behavior that damages your very hobby.
Your behavior is poor.
What dishonesty? I haven't been dishonest with anyone.
Thievery is dishonest. You condone and support it by your own words.
SQ42 looks to be years away. Hope CR has saved a lot of that cash, because he is going to need it to finish SQ42.
Just can't this shit up. :-D
So the article written roughly 5 weeks after the con had seen nothing new. How is this news or surprising? That article was written in Nov 2015 and Citizencon was what OCT 2015? (I can't remember)
Yes we all knew SQ42 was separate. The real argument and the people that signed up all because of SM seems to be forgotten here. Those people are all being denied refunds for false advertising from what they expected and bought in to couple of years back.
It is hilarious how you guys are arguing over a game that was a package and now being split apart. Yet SM which was a separate game from SC is now in SC yet when you play SC you never see SM.
your first paragraph says that its not mystery that SQ42 was separate and then you say the package was split.
why post if you arent going to make any sense?
I should of made it more clear. Way back it was all a complete package. The games them self was always separate. Yet they are now saying SM and SC was always going to be together or some such thing that CR has said. :-D
Why would it make any difference to those people? They get both anyway don't they?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Torrenting Squadron 42, Star Citizen or any copyright protected game can get you in trouble.
Have fun
But if you open said article and Ctrl+F for the word theft, it doesn't appear once.
I'm not trying to make any excuses for obtaining content that you don't have a right to, I'm just saying that if we're stating things are illegal then we need to be clear about what those terms actually refer to.
Your example of "Torrenting Squadron 42, Star Citizen or any copyright protected game can get you in trouble." isn't wholely true because lots of games allow you to torrent their contents. Many, including CIG's, even have built in torrent clients. Downloading the assets for the new X-COM for example is not actually illegal providing you don't circumvent the DRM. Quite often games are put on torrent sites and not DMCA'd by the publisher to avoid server stress on release day.
Ahh calling me out for being honest as a defense of your dishonesty. I can't claim suprise. What a mature adult would do is concede they were in error.
Like it or not you are part of society and by joining this forum also part of a community. Both have rules. One has laws. You broke the basic rule of honesty which I would like to think we would all appreciate from each other, but worse you went further and wish to condone and support criminal behavior that damages your very hobby.
Your behavior is poor.
What dishonesty? I haven't been dishonest with anyone.
Thievery is dishonest. You condone and support it by your own words.
You should talk to Chris Roberts and RSI about dishonesty. They're the ones that initially said what they were going to do, and then change it after they started running out of cash. Why should those that did not pledge or back them get bent over the kitchen sink?
It's a total dick move to the consumer that didn't pledge.
What dishonesty? I haven't been dishonest with anyone.
Thievery is dishonest. You condone and support it by your own words.
You should talk to Chris Roberts and RSI about dishonesty. They're the ones that initially said what they were going to do, and then change it after they started running out of cash. Why should those that did not pledge or back them get bent over the kitchen sink?
It's a total dick move to the consumer that didn't pledge.
All you are doing is attempting to justify your encouragement of the immoral act of theft. Please stop.
Even if you believe what you say, you are inferring that "Two wrongs would make a right" and that is not true. Lastly your points about their financial state are supposition. You are basing your argument, at least in part, on unsubstantiated claims.
What troubles me the most is that you have yet to admit that encouraging thievery is wrong, immoral and illegal.
Ahh calling me out for being honest as a defense of your dishonesty. I can't claim suprise. What a mature adult would do is concede they were in error.
Like it or not you are part of society and by joining this forum also part of a community. Both have rules. One has laws. You broke the basic rule of honesty which I would like to think we would all appreciate from each other, but worse you went further and wish to condone and support criminal behavior that damages your very hobby.
Your behavior is poor.
What dishonesty? I haven't been dishonest with anyone.
Thievery is dishonest. You condone and support it by your own words.
You should talk to Chris Roberts and RSI about dishonesty. They're the ones that initially said what they were going to do, and then change it after they started running out of cash. Why should those that did not pledge or back them get bent over the kitchen sink?
It's a total dick move to the consumer that didn't pledge.
People who back early generally get a much better deal. I got in for $20, actually, but I don't feel like it's dishonest that you now have to pay more. There's 2 weeks before this happens, so why not just back it? If you don't then you made that choice.
Do you get upset that you have to buy additional episodes for these Tell Tale games?
So you're getting upset that you'll have a free game, but then you need to actually buy the single-player game. DAMN THOSE MONEY GRUBBERS!!! I don't know why this is a big deal, to be honest. If it's that big a deal to you then I'd just get in now. If you don't then you can at least wait for a review. If it's bad, at least you didn't put money in.
This move does not help their trust factor. Their trust factor seems to go down with every move they make lol
Ever since SQ42 was first spoken about it has been described as a separate game mode
FTFY
1. I dont think that is correct 2. I dont see how it remotely matters
It actually IS correct and we can show you the exact wording the Chris Roberts stated, if you like. God knows it's already been posted 10 times in just this one thread.
This move does not help their trust factor. Their trust factor seems to go down with every move they make lol
Ever since SQ42 was first spoken about it has been described as a separate game mode
FTFY
1. I dont think that is correct 2. I dont see how it remotely matters
It actually IS correct and we can show you the exact wording the Chris Roberts stated, if you like. God knows it's already been posted 10 times in just this one thread.
number 2 is FAR more important than number 1.
Lets focus on what matters rather than wasting our live on drivil so with that....why does it matter if its a game 'mode' vs 'stand alone game'
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
This move does not help their trust factor. Their trust factor seems to go down with every move they make lol
I'm not seeing that.
Really? Been to reddit or the CIG forums lately? The amount of backer anger is higher than it's ever been.
why would people be getting upset about something that was stated when SQ42 was first announced
Can you link where they said that they would be two separate games and you had to buy both separately when SQ42 was first announced please, thanks.
I am not doing your home work for you. i do recall him saying it on stage on a video more than a year ago. mr. doesnt even bother to post discussion threads with what he claims is happening currently....seriously?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
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What dishonesty? I haven't been dishonest with anyone.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/18/arts/international/swedens-notorious-distinction-as-a-haven-for-online-pirates.html?_r=0
Torrenting Squadron 42, Star Citizen or any copyright protected game can get you in trouble.
Have fun
SQ42 looks to be years away. Hope CR has saved a lot of that cash, because he is going to need it to finish SQ42.
Just can't this shit up. :-D
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
How is this news or surprising?
That article was written in Nov 2015 and Citizencon was what OCT 2015? (I can't remember)
*Edit:spelling
Have fun
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
But if you open said article and Ctrl+F for the word theft, it doesn't appear once.
I'm not trying to make any excuses for obtaining content that you don't have a right to, I'm just saying that if we're stating things are illegal then we need to be clear about what those terms actually refer to.
Your example of "Torrenting Squadron 42, Star Citizen or any copyright protected game can get you in trouble." isn't wholely true because lots of games allow you to torrent their contents. Many, including CIG's, even have built in torrent clients.
Downloading the assets for the new X-COM for example is not actually illegal providing you don't circumvent the DRM. Quite often games are put on torrent sites and not DMCA'd by the publisher to avoid server stress on release day.
As always, all that legal stuff is a minefield.
Again though, the spark that ignited this debate was an obvious appeal to theft of software that in itself damages our very hobby.
Let us not forget that that was exactly the point of the posters.
I have no issues with the points you bring up @rpmcmurphy; I simply wish to keep the reason we got here clear.
You should talk to Chris Roberts and RSI about dishonesty. They're the ones that initially said what they were going to do, and then change it after they started running out of cash. Why should those that did not pledge or back them get bent over the kitchen sink?
It's a total dick move to the consumer that didn't pledge.
Please stop.
Even if you believe what you say, you are inferring that "Two wrongs would make a right" and that is not true.
Lastly your points about their financial state are supposition. You are basing your argument, at least in part, on unsubstantiated claims.
What troubles me the most is that you have yet to admit that encouraging thievery is wrong, immoral and illegal.
People who back early generally get a much better deal. I got in for $20, actually, but I don't feel like it's dishonest that you now have to pay more. There's 2 weeks before this happens, so why not just back it? If you don't then you made that choice.
Do you get upset that you have to buy additional episodes for these Tell Tale games?
So you're getting upset that you'll have a free game, but then you need to actually buy the single-player game. DAMN THOSE MONEY GRUBBERS!!! I don't know why this is a big deal, to be honest. If it's that big a deal to you then I'd just get in now. If you don't then you can at least wait for a review. If it's bad, at least you didn't put money in.
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2. I dont see how it remotely matters
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Naw, it only goes down every time Chris opens his mouth......which I suppose is a problem since he likes to open it a lot.
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It actually IS correct and we can show you the exact wording the Chris Roberts stated, if you like. God knows it's already been posted 10 times in just this one thread.
Lets focus on what matters rather than wasting our live on drivil
so with that....why does it matter if its a game 'mode' vs 'stand alone game'
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
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I am not doing your home work for you. i do recall him saying it on stage on a video more than a year ago.
mr. doesnt even bother to post discussion threads with what he claims is happening currently....seriously?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
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