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Star Citizen and Squadron 42 split - now you suddenly have to buy second one.

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  • PottedPlant22PottedPlant22 Member RarePosts: 800
    Herase said:

    This information has been known since last year, 
    Last year being December?
  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,329
    edited February 2016
    Herase said:

    This information has been known since last year, 
    Last year being December?
    Several months earlier:

    https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/289653/should-sq42-and-the-mmo-pu-be-split-and-sell-separately

    http://www.twitch.tv/starcitizen/v/20068257

    "...At 2:25ish CR mentions possibly splitting them apart for non backers when, i'm guessing, it goes to retail...."


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  • rpmcmurphyrpmcmurphy Member EpicPosts: 3,502
    But again, look at how it flew completely under the radar even on its own forum, there is less that 60 votes in that poll and less than 20 responses in the thread.
    It's a million miles from evidence that the split was a commonly known upcoming change. The livestream in mid-December was the first time any real noise was made about the change but even then it was restricted to the forums and subreddit.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Erillion said:

    "...At 2:25ish CR mentions possibly splitting them apart for non backers when, i'm guessing, it goes to retail...."


    So it's going to retail in 2 weeks? 

    In all seriousness, this is the part I don't get. I could see them doing this at the last minute for one last pre-order push for SC just before it goes to retail. It's pretty standard practice for games to do that. But doing this months or years ahead of time makes little sense. Doesn't this split create a disincentive for attracting new people after Feb 14th?
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,078
    edited February 2016
    SEANMCAD said:
    Thourne said:
    Excession said:
    Thourne said:
    Response: As the funding changed so did the game.
    Not really a valid excuse or response.

    They capped cash requirement to make the game and ALL STRETCH GOALS at $65,000,000.

    They stated stretch goals would not affect development of SC.

    All we have seen so far, is that funding is well over the required amount, and the game as described including all stretch goals is not even close to being ready, having missed pretty much every deadline they set themselves.
    My response statement was in the context of a response to his point. The current game underdevelopment was not the 6 million dollar game they referred to in their post.

    You are, of course, free to make an argument about exceeding the stretch goal and are welcome to do so.
    of course its not. How in the world could that possibly even work if you modify plans because of more money.

    Its like 'dude ? why is there a 100sq foot shack with no facilities in the living room of this manision?'
    because it was part of the orginal kickstarter..


    I gotta say the majority of things I read about this game on forums dosent even make sense
    Wrong analogy. It's more like they promised to deliver the basic elements of the mansion including living room, dining room and kitchen, along with 2 bedrooms by a certain date and budget and instead all they've provided is a 100 foot shack with limited facilities.

    Oh yes, and to use the pool people in the future will have to buy a separate health club membership. 

    But act NOW and you can get it all.

    Face it, they are burning through their cash at a much greater rate than they are delivering, the ponzi scheme is starting to collapse.

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  • Colt47Colt47 Member UncommonPosts: 549
    As someone who has been following the game for quite some time I don't think it absurd they split the games up.  There's no way they are going to be able to fund the single player title and an MMO with the way they are getting funding.  They've got a mini Public Universe test bench up and that is about it, with a ton of  funds going into mocap, voice acting, art assets, and programming work for squadron 42.  Sure, there are some systems that are going to get shared between games, but unless they can get some copies sold for squadron 42 I don't see how they will be able to finish development on the public universe.
  • COORSCOORS Member UncommonPosts: 353
    Thourne said:
    They are getting really desperate. Why?

    They know that this crowdfunding well is drying up and the games they release will not bring in enough money to keep up the extreme spending they do with offices costing $20 million and 4 offices worldwide.

    Most people that pledged so far will get everything they make for free so no additional money there.

    It is pretty obvious why they are doing this now. They are in big financial trouble.
    Again evidence or speculation.

    Your'e entitled to your opinion but your opinion will not be accepted as fact, sorry.

    Logical conclusion is: They are in financial trouble and that is why they now split the games to double dip.

    How is that not obvious to you?

    Can you give me ONE other reason why they are suddenly splitting the 2 games? JUST ONE OTHER REASON?

    MONEY my friend, that is the only reason.


    The only other reason I can see is they cannot make the multiplayer work. So... They are getting desperate and eventually need to put some kind of game out.
  • Colt47Colt47 Member UncommonPosts: 549
    COORS said:
    Thourne said:
    They are getting really desperate. Why?

    They know that this crowdfunding well is drying up and the games they release will not bring in enough money to keep up the extreme spending they do with offices costing $20 million and 4 offices worldwide.

    Most people that pledged so far will get everything they make for free so no additional money there.

    It is pretty obvious why they are doing this now. They are in big financial trouble.
    Again evidence or speculation.

    Your'e entitled to your opinion but your opinion will not be accepted as fact, sorry.

    Logical conclusion is: They are in financial trouble and that is why they now split the games to double dip.

    How is that not obvious to you?

    Can you give me ONE other reason why they are suddenly splitting the 2 games? JUST ONE OTHER REASON?

    MONEY my friend, that is the only reason.


    The only other reason I can see is they cannot make the multiplayer work. So... They are getting desperate and eventually need to put some kind of game out.
    Yeah, at this point they aren't grasping to get rich as much as try to break even at the very least.  They got a full AAA development cycle going and funding is going to eventually slow down as people grow skeptical of an actual release.
  • HeraseHerase Member RarePosts: 993
    rpmcmurphy said:
    But again, look at how it flew completely under the radar even on its own forum, there is less that 60 votes in that poll and less than 20 responses in the thread.
    It's a million miles from evidence that the split was a commonly known upcoming change. The livestream in mid-December was the first time any real noise was made about the change but even then it was restricted to the forums and subreddit.
    The poll is about "should it be split?", not "did you know about the split?" Which imho would make a better topic of discussion. 

    imho it's more evident, like i said before, those who have no interest and will never buy the game are only finding this out now, hence why this thread was even made. in fact it's been said on here in many threads that the two games are separate. So for me this just makes this whole debate a lost cause :/.

    I will say I do think the idea, not mater when it was thought up, was going to be another way of generating income, but that's expected tbh 

    One thing that did fly under the radar was when it would occur, remember lot of people not knowing that info.
  • ThourneThourne Member RarePosts: 757
    goobsnews said:


    Honestly not sure if you're just trolling or if you're a huge fanboy of RSI.
    Thourne tries to make it seem like he's neutral about RSI but a couple posts in and you can tell he's either a shill or just has major sunk cost fallacy syndrome. Either way it's hilarious. You just need to learn to ignore him and a couple others on here...especially the ones with star citizen referral codes in their signatures...desperate much? Wowza.
    Neither.
    What I have is a low tolerance for the bully tactics, specifically the "I believe this so you must as well and if you don't you are the enemy" variety.
    All I've asked is for people to quit claiming opinions as truth and to show evidence to support claims of fact.
    If I'm your enemy for this than the very idea of the truth is as well.


  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    edited February 2016
    Ummm just for the sake of repeating myself there is no 'suddenly' in this.

    Its been the be case for at least a year, and its been said multiple times, squadron 42 is a sperate game

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    edited February 2016
    Thourne said:
    goobsnews said:


    Honestly not sure if you're just trolling or if you're a huge fanboy of RSI.
    Thourne tries to make it seem like he's neutral about RSI but a couple posts in and you can tell he's either a shill or just has major sunk cost fallacy syndrome. Either way it's hilarious. You just need to learn to ignore him and a couple others on here...especially the ones with star citizen referral codes in their signatures...desperate much? Wowza.
    Neither.
    What I have is a low tolerance for the bully tactics, specifically the "I believe this so you must as well and if you don't you are the enemy" variety.
    All I've asked is for people to quit claiming opinions as truth and to show evidence to support claims of fact.
    If I'm your enemy for this than the very idea of the truth is as well.



    No worries, Thourne, @goobsnews ; has already admittedly assumed the part of anti-hero here. His super hero ability, you ask? The ability to ignore all logic and reason! 

    Honestly, when this all started, there were real, logical arguments on the table (even from DS) with regards to real technical problems. However, as time has progressed, these technical gaps which would make it "impossible" to release have been closed and so people are now left with very shallow arguments, including calling anyone who offers any sort of intelligent or logical thought a white knight or calling them shills. 

    At this point there's no real strong, logical arguments being tossed out from these "anti-heros". Really, they just look like a bunch of idiots running around calling people names and not really making a point. 

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  • Turrican187Turrican187 Member UncommonPosts: 787
    CrazKanuk said:
    [...] 
    However, as time has progressed, these technical gaps which would make it "impossible" to release have been closed
    [...] 
    Source please, otherwise I would say ... Nope

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  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,329
    edited February 2016
    CrazKanuk said:
    [...] 
    However, as time has progressed, these technical gaps which would make it "impossible" to release have been closed
    [...] 
    Source please, otherwise I would say ... Nope
    You could start here:

    http://massivelyop.com/2015/10/21/ascents-lead-dev-offers-insight-on-the-star-citizen-controversy/

    and continue with this

    https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/12/17/star-citizen-2-0-review/


    Both articles offer something for "both sides" ;-), speaking plainly about what has been done and what is still left to be done.



    Have fun


  • BrenicsBrenics Member RarePosts: 1,939
    Yes we all knew SQ42 was separate. The real argument and the people that signed up all because of SM seems to be forgotten here. Those people are all being denied refunds for false advertising from what they expected and bought in to couple of years back. 

    It is hilarious how you guys are arguing over a game that was a package and now being split apart. Yet SM which was a separate game from SC is now in SC yet when you play SC you never see SM. 

    Chris and Sandi must be sitting at their computers laughing their butts off distracting everyone from the original argument over SM.

    But anyway guys give this 2 or 3 more months (or weeks) and the company will explode on itself as Chris and Sandi drive home in the cars SC bought them. 

    No doubt they are laughing at both sides all the way to the bank. 

    One day you people will wake up. Chris and Sandi just have to pray there are no crazies out there they swindled. 
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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Brenics said:
    Yes we all knew SQ42 was separate. The real argument and the people that signed up all because of SM seems to be forgotten here. Those people are all being denied refunds for false advertising from what they expected and bought in to couple of years back. 

    It is hilarious how you guys are arguing over a game that was a package and now being split apart. Yet SM which was a separate game from SC is now in SC yet when you play SC you never see SM. 

    your first paragraph says that its not mystery that SQ42 was separate and then you say the package was split.

    why post if you arent going to make any sense?

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • HeraseHerase Member RarePosts: 993
    WoW, never thought Brenics would admit that it was something already known.

    Not sure what your going on about after that though, people can still get refunds and the thread isn't about SM
  • BrenicsBrenics Member RarePosts: 1,939
    SEANMCAD said:
    Brenics said:
    Yes we all knew SQ42 was separate. The real argument and the people that signed up all because of SM seems to be forgotten here. Those people are all being denied refunds for false advertising from what they expected and bought in to couple of years back. 

    It is hilarious how you guys are arguing over a game that was a package and now being split apart. Yet SM which was a separate game from SC is now in SC yet when you play SC you never see SM. 

    your first paragraph says that its not mystery that SQ42 was separate and then you say the package was split.

    why post if you arent going to make any sense?
    I should of made it more clear. Way back it was all a complete package. The games them self was always separate. Yet they are now saying SM and SC was always going to be together or some such thing that CR has said. :-D
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  • SlyLoKSlyLoK Member RarePosts: 2,698
    My guesses as to why they are doing this ...

    Because S42 is the closest thing they have to an actual game.

    They know selling ships is wearing thin with many of their backers and bringing bad publicity.

    The heat is still on about progress on SC ( or lack thereof ) so they are using S42 to try and cool it off.

    S42 will bring in money that doesnt have to come from selling JPG images.

    Anyway. Someone remind me. Was S42 always going to be single player? I thought it was going to be something else.
  • BrenicsBrenics Member RarePosts: 1,939
    edited February 2016

    Herase said:
    WoW, never thought Brenics would admit that it was something already known.

    Not sure what your going on about after that though, people can still get refunds and the thread isn't about SM
    Guess you missed the changed TOS. No it is about making people pay for two games that use to be a package. Now people are forgetting that SM and SC were never suppose to be together but 2 separate games. Yet now they are saying it was always going to be in SC. 

    You SEE it NOW?
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  • HeraseHerase Member RarePosts: 993
    Brenics said:

    Herase said:
    WoW, never thought Brenics would admit that it was something already known.

    Not sure what your going on about after that though, people can still get refunds and the thread isn't about SM
    Guess you missed the changed TOS. 
    It changed, but people still have gotten refunds, a thread was made about 1- 2 days ago of someone who got a refund, took a while, but they still got it
  • joejccva71joejccva71 Member UncommonPosts: 848
    Answer me 2 questions:

    1. How much will Star Citizen and Squadron 42 be for those that backed and pledged?

    2. How much will Star Citizen and Squadron 42 be for those that didn't?
  • Colt47Colt47 Member UncommonPosts: 549
    edited February 2016
    Also, even though we hear about people getting refunds, they aren't that common place.  It's mostly people who have gone hillbilly insane that are jumping boat looking for a refund (and consequently get talked about like crazy in the forums). 

    I mean, the original pledges were 30 usd to 60 usd depending on package.  Most people who are really knee deep already knew the risks when they started putting more into the pool, and I'm betting the people asking for refunds are the guys who only pledged on starter tier packages or mid range packages.  I could be completely wrong, and some outlier will be the end of me on this, but still.
  • SeelinnikoiSeelinnikoi Member RarePosts: 1,360
    I am not clairvoyant but I see this happening:

    - Finishing and selling SQ42
    - The release and sales of SQ42 will generate confidence in RSI/CIG and revenue
    - New customers and current whales will pour a lot more cash into the project, since now they have "street cred"
    - Budget will balloon over the 150m mark
    - Star Citizen (the main game) will get delayed over and over with the promise of trying to make the best space sim ever
    - After a while waiting the whales start dying at the shores and revenue will dry up

    Now after this, two things might happen:

    - They release a game well under the expectations that all those years built up
    - They fold and implode crowdfunding credibility forever

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  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,329
    Answer me 2 questions:

    1. How much will Star Citizen and Squadron 42 be for those that backed and pledged?

    2. How much will Star Citizen and Squadron 42 be for those that didn't?
    ad 1 ... AT THE MOMENT  ...
    54 $  (was as low as 20 bucks during some X-mas events) .. you can voluntarily pledge more if you want.

    ad 2 ... no one knows yet ... we will know when 15th February comes ...

    My personal guestimate ... Squadron 42 will be sold for an amount of money typical for other solo games (in middle Europe thats around 50 €).


    Have fun
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