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This is what people really believe they're getting when they invest in Star Citizen
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Just fyi, even though he who shall not be named had been all gung-ho about filing through the ftc, it would appear that as of September of last year nothing had been done. Instead he opts to have his minions do the work for him. Why? Probably because there's nothing illegal..... Yet
Crazkanuk
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So, should SQ42 be out by now? It shouldn't be affected by "increased scope" or stretch goals. Do you think Roberts really thought it would be available mid 2014? Why would he have said that? If things take wildly longer than quoted, what do you call that? SQ42 might release this time next year. That's 2.8 years after the anticipated release of this game mode... oops, I meant "product"... with nothing to change from this original vision...
Look, Roberts lied. Deal with it. You're defending a liar. By the time all this, which people believe it will be with space roles, economy, multiple systems, alien races, compelling ai, the original backers will be more interested in tapioca pudding day and shuffleboard, not Star Citizen.
edit: Also, if it seems I'm repeating myself, since I seem to have to say this daily, I'm doing it for your benefit, not mine. I'd just as soon type the whole thing once and link to it, but since you can't be bothered to read the rest of the context, I doubt you'd trouble yourself with a link.
The claim by some in the SC camp of deceptively describing the money payed to SC as a "pledge" needs to be put to rest once and for all. One can't put price points on different variations of an item ranging from basic to elite, and have people buy those items based on the basis of basic to elite status, and expect those purchase dollars to be deemed a "pledge." A "pledge" indicates that the priority is that of "giving," and though a person may receive compensation for the generosity of giving, the compensation for giving is a secondary after-thought thereby rendering the contribution a "pledge." Once varying price ranges of value are placed on that compensatory item (Ie., escalating ship quality), the compensation then becomes the priority thereby rendering the transaction a "purchase."
As it pertains to SC and ships, a perfect example of a pledge would have been SC offering the same ship to everyone "pledging," but allowing people to "pledge" any amount of money from the goodness of their hearts. This is not unlike a non-profit TV network asking for donations of any amount, but everyone donating would receive the same item of compensation (Ie., a classic movie dvd set) regardless of the amount donated. Or a church asking for donations from viewers of any amount, but everyone donating would receive the same bible. These are deemed "pledges" because the priority is one of "giving." The bibles are simply a compensatory item offered by the church to people donating as an expression of appreciation for their generosity. Once the compensatory being received is assigned varying price points in quality, the compensatory item is then assigned a higher intrinsic value than the act of giving, rendering the transaction a "purchase" and not a "pledge."
Again, in the case of SC, if everyone had been given the same ship irrespective of the amount contributed, then those funds contributed could very well been deemed a "pledge." Assigning prices to ships based on varying qualities that can be used in the game to receive escalating levels of advantage, and having people buy those ships based on those varying qualities that will grant players an escalation of advantage depending on the amount payed is what is commonly known as a "purchase," not a "pledge." One can play with the words all they want until their face turns blue, but the result will always be the same.
But joking aside, if you do it for me go Get someone to pledge shitloads of cash so my 45 bucks will be worthwhile! Pretty sugaredcake with stuffing please! Oh you would do that for me wouldnt you? Oh please, oh please!
If CIG can't do it with tens of millions past the stretch goals, they can't do it with tens of millions more. I don't understand there is one past 65m at Enhanced Ship Modularity, so if that doesn't suit them, you're out of luck.
Chris Roberts. Destined to be the downfall of......well, everything gaming.
Now, that would be an idea. A bunch of Doomsayers as a player org in Star Citizen, predicting the imminent end of the world by flooding the chat channels as humanity tries to attack the Vanduul ... and fails.
Have fun
I'm gonna Get my 45 bucks of fun either if its through enjoyful gaming or me going full retard over me not thinking its worth 45 bucks!
Hell, if i had to subscribe to be a part of this trainjourney (or trainwreck depending on the eyes), I would have done it. Good enough, until now its been a F2P experience for all believers and trolls.
Haha..... Just reading through all this fanbois and trollbois writing is epic fun, I've had my entertainment far beyond the 45 bucks yet, and the shit isnt Even released.
Hahaha, but be sure I still want my epic game, or I'll go full locotard!!!!
I hope you have pledged Bro, Else if you are going locotard wont really seem truely sincere
In other words, you don't need a court to interpret laws that have been in existence and been interpreted for decades, if not centuries. Pretending that because no court has ruled on a Kickstarter either way means that there is some grey area is just your fantasy. The laws are already there and people are already getting their money back legally.
ANyway, thanks for keeping it civil bean.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
But this "project" has gone to far, for me it has got to be the biggest laughing stock in gaming history, I'm 100% sure the game will be released but not even close to the massive feature list that has been promised over the years.
It's really sad It would have been an awesome game.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
"As of now the only cases I've heard of have been actual scams, or misuse of funds. There's no reason to ask the question I eluded to in those cases as it wasn't a kickstarter it was an act of fraud." that was what I meant by circumstance.
You say the "law is clear"... but law in many cases is nothing more than precedent when it comes to things like this. All it takes is one circumstance to set a new precedent. That's where those questions:
"is it a criminal act to start a kickstarter that can fail? Should Crowdfunded games be held liable in the case of project failure... or..... like in the real world is that simply bad luck on the draw, IE some projects fail, some people lose their money in an investment.."
Come into play.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
And the "precedent" is clear. It likely goes all the way back through common law. Kings were probably ruling on matters like this. "I gave him stuff and he didn't give me stuff." Then the other guy says, "I couldn't give him stuff because I don't have enough stuff." Chop off his head!
The questions you are asking (should a company be held liable for project failure, is it criminal to start a company) have already been answered. Just because the funding model is different, it doesn't change the fact that the company is liable for delivering the product in a timely manner. The price, product and time were agreed upon by both parties.
I'm not even clear on what you are arguing anymore. I think that you believe that a law suit is required to change current laws because current laws are not sufficient. The problem with that is that the system is already working. We are talking about current, working law. That is why I view your stance as being outlandish. You act like they NEED to change precedent in this case when they have already decided precedent long ago. You think that the funding model changes the responsibility of a company. It just doesn't.
Well! Sounds like an open and shut case! NOT!!!!!
The problem is that there is not an agreed upon product. There is a proposed product. That's it! They don't even have to deliver anything. All they need to do is show that they attempted to deliver the product. Where you ever came up with the idea that there was an agreed upon product and an agreed upon timeline is hilarious. It's almost like you think that this isn't something covered in the agreement when you pledge. Shoot, if the loophole was that massive, do you really believe that SOME people would not have already jump in? However, no lawsuits filed..... You should file one. I mean it sounds like you've got it all figured out.
Crazkanuk
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Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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I was 'buying a product with an expected delivery date'....but....
The game design is now to include all the stretch goals past 5 million, now well past 100 million.
Is it reasonable for me to expect the product I paid for and complain that it has not been delivered?
Fuck no!
Additional features and of course the timescale of the project understandably elongated is just something I accept as part and parcel of the process.
I really think anyone who doesn't get why it is unreasonable to throw the toys out of the pram now should just shut up and stay out of the journey.
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For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Also
Finished game....