This is what people really believe they're getting when they invest in Star Citizen

Xeno.phon

Brenics said:

Adjuvant1 said:

Xeno.phon said:

If Roberts and Smart are the generals of 2 opposing armies, I pick Roberts any day.

That's really how you see this, isn't it. You think people who disagree with CIG practices are all on the same team against you.

That is the problem, they can't take the blinders off. Sad really. 

Yes, I am the polarized one, when it is the DS smear crew that started unfounded claims, failed legal action and a blatant smear campaign on an unreleased game.

I have no delusions about SC, ofc it wont be exactly as stated on conception. That is called reality and happens in pretty much every single title produced. But to shout about mis appropriation of funds without any legal proof, exploitation of the development process and slow development, despite the fact that it is totally on par with similar releases (not to mention the very principles of free market capitalism, aka consumers choice) is unacceptable imo.

If the game launches and it is a mess then I will be right here with you people condemning Roberts, but until it does launch or is officially canceled any adult would know that the crap you guys spew about SC is completely unfounded and just blatant trolling.

Brenics

Can someone please point me to where Chris Roberts was the head guy that called the shots on a game released under his name.

Now he did release a movie and what I saw was a film that bombed. Other than that I do believe Star Citizen would be his first. 

GrumpyHobbit

Brenics said:

Can someone please point me to where Chris Roberts was the head guy that called the shots on a game released under his name.

Now he did release a movie and what I saw was a film that bombed. Other than that I do believe Star Citizen would be his first. 

Game Credits

Production

Conquest: Frontier Wars (2001) (Producers)

Wing Commander IV: The Price of Freedom (1996) (Executive Producer)

Starlancer (2000) (Executive Producer)

Dangerous Streets & Wing Commander (1994) (Produced by)

Super Wing Commander (1994) (Producers)

Wing Commander: Armada (1994) (Producer)

Wing Commander III: Heart of the Tiger (1994) (Executive Producer & Director)

Wing Commander / Wing Commander II (Special CD-ROM... (1994) (Producer)

Strike Commander (1993) (Producer)

Strike Commander: Tactical Operations (1993) (Producer)

Wing Commander: Privateer (1993) (Executive Producer)

Wing Commander II: Vengeance of the Kilrathi (1991) (Producer)

Wing Commander: The Secret Missions 2 - Crusade (1991) (Producer)

Wing Commander (1990) (Produced by)

Wing Commander: The Secret Missions (1990) (Producers)

Times of Lore (1988) (Project Leader)

 

Design

Freelancer (2003) (Freelancer Original Concept)

Wing Commander IV: The Price of Freedom (1996) (Director)

Dangerous Streets & Wing Commander (1994) (Design by)

Wing Commander III: Heart of the Tiger (1994) (Directed by)

Wing Commander / Wing Commander II (Special CD-ROM... (1994) (Lead Design)

Strike Commander (1993) (Original Outline)

Wing Commander: Privateer (1993) (Original Concept)

Wing Commander II: Vengeance of the Kilrathi - Spe... (1992) (Creative Director)

Wing Commander II: Vengeance of the Kilrathi - Spe... (1991) (Creative Director)

Bad Blood (1990) (Designed by)

Wing Commander (1990) (Director)

Wing Commander: The Secret Missions (1990) (Director)

Times of Lore (1988) (Directed by)

Ultima V: Warriors of Destiny (1988) (Design)

Strykers Run (1986) (Game design and original ideas by)

 

Programming/Engineering

Dangerous Streets & Wing Commander (1994) (OriginFX Graphic System)

Super Wing Commander (1994) (3-D Space System)

Wing Commander / Wing Commander II (Special CD-ROM... (1994) (Programming)

Strike Commander (1993) (Graphics Primitives)

Wing Commander: The Secret Missions 2 - Crusade (1991) (Programming)

Bad Blood (1990) (Additional Programming)

Wing Commander (1990) (Software Engineers)

Wing Commander: The Secret Missions (1990) (Programmers)

Times of Lore (1988) (Coding)

Strykers Run (1986) (Coding by)

Wizadore (1985) (Written by)

 

Writers

Conquest: Frontier Wars (2001) (Story and Scripts)

Wing Commander III: Heart of the Tiger (1994) (Story)

Times of Lore (1988) (Writing / Dialogue / Story)

 

Art/Graphics

CyberMage: Darklight Awakening (1995) (Graphics / Artwork)

Wing Commander / Wing Commander II (Special CD-ROM... (1994) (Graphics)

Strykers Run (1986) (Graphics designed by)

 

Video/Cinematics

The Need for Speed: Special Edition (1996) (Special Thanks)

The Need for Speed (1994) (Special Thanks)

Wing Commander III: Heart of the Tiger (1994) (Directed by)

 

Audio

Wing Commander III: Heart of the Tiger (1994) (Cast)

 

Quality Assurance

Times of Lore (1988) (Playtesting)

 

Creative Services

Strike Commander (CD-ROM Edition) (1993) (Chief of Correspondents)

 

Thanks

Shadowrun Returns (2013) (Special Thanks)

Wing Commander Saga: The Darkest Dawn (2012) (Very Very Special Thanks)

Brute Force (2003) (DB'3 Fallen 23rd Division Special Thanks (Those who left us before the end, but made a big contribution))

Freelancer (2003) (Special Thanks)

Wing Commander: Prophecy (1997) (The Producers want to thank the following persons)

Wing Commander: Prophecy (Deluxe) (1997) (The producers gratefully acknowledge the contributions of the following individuals)

Knights of Legend (1989) (Thanks to)

CrazKanuk

Brenics said:

Can someone please point me to where Chris Roberts was the head guy that called the shots on a game released under his name.

Now he did release a movie and what I saw was a film that bombed. Other than that I do believe Star Citizen would be his first. 

Could someone tell me somebody who made a AAA game who called the shots? WTF is calling the shots anyway? Honestly, the complaints have been that CR is too involved and there have been many reports of him being involved too much with the games he's released. Please! If you're going to make an argument, at least don't contradict what's already been said before. Honestly, in a large game, if CR is the bottleneck, that's a problem. Also, I don't think that there has ever been a game with his name on it, like Sid Meyers'..... Everything. If anything, he should be delegating. He shouldn't be involved, because he should be too busy with the business side to be intimately involved with the development. 

Brenics

Calling the shots means the person can cut/add/redo anything he wants and then lead it to release. He has never done that and in fact he was told no on many things he wanted to change in WC and FL. So the answer is to this day, CR has never released a game. Its all out there just have to go read it. Oh and it was said way before DS. 

Talonsin

Can someone please make this thread stop, lol.

forcelima

If that hideous cheerleader pic didn't make this thread stop I don't think anything can stop it. But serious it doesn't matter if this game every releases cause it can't touch the amount of people that have already been entertained on the forums . Thank you pro SC  and anti SC groups for your dedication to both of your causes . you all have thoroughly entertained me for countless months (even a few wife aggro's for reading in bed late at night cause I want to see someone's

 rebuttal). Sincerely a fan of both sides that has ran out of popcorn!!!

GrumpyHobbit

Brenics said:

Calling the shots means the person can cut/add/redo anything he wants and then lead it to release. He has never done that and in fact he was told no on many things he wanted to change in WC and FL. So the answer is to this day, CR has never released a game. Its all out there just have to go read it. Oh and it was said way before DS. 

Bad troll, go to bed.

fascism

This thread is terrible

adamlotus75

Everything to do with this game involves Stimpire levels of pain.

Adjuvant1

GrumpyHobbit said:

Brenics said:

Can someone please point me to where Chris Roberts was the head guy that called the shots on a game released under his name.

Now he did release a movie and what I saw was a film that bombed. Other than that I do believe Star Citizen would be his first. 

Game Credits

Production

Conquest: Frontier Wars (2001) (Producers)

Wing Commander IV: The Price of Freedom (1996) (Executive Producer)

Starlancer (2000) (Executive Producer)

Dangerous Streets & Wing Commander (1994) (Produced by)

etc.

Ok, you copy/pasted and didn't go into any great detail on each project whether his contribution was significant or... less. When I asked the question, I said I wouldn't mess with you about it, and I won't. I can look up this list, however, as well as anyone else and it doesn't tell an entire story, nor does his record legitimize his position on a project the size of SC. He should have hired someone directly under himself to make sure the project fairs adequately. That's all I'm going to say about this.

Brenics

GrumpyHobbit said:

Brenics said:

Calling the shots means the person can cut/add/redo anything he wants and then lead it to release. He has never done that and in fact he was told no on many things he wanted to change in WC and FL. So the answer is to this day, CR has never released a game. Its all out there just have to go read it. Oh and it was said way before DS. 

Bad troll, go to bed.

Actually you never answered my question. pasting all that means nothing. You really should read up on CR. he isn't who you think he is. 

Only chance you guys have of a game coming out is all in Erin's hands. Personally i think it is too late but time will tell.