This is what people really believe they're getting when they invest in Star Citizen

Amathe

The video looks good. Can I play the video?

CrazKanuk

Arglebargle said:

WC2 was directed and written by the main programmer for WC1.  Roberts was credited as producer, but even his own sources say he wasn't as heavily involved in it as WC1.  Privateer was done by someone else entirely. Only citation for Roberts is for 'original concept'. Privateer 2 was only named that late in production, to cash in on name recognition most likely.  Erin Roberts did that one.  

Talking to friends who worked at Origin, one of their many beefs with Roberts was him taking credit for the work of others.   Every Roberts pronouncement is intended to increase the glory of Chris Roberts.  Thus things like the Youtube videos being listed on imdb as TV productions.   

I talked to a bunch of folks who worked with him at Origin, and the stories were not pretty.

That's actually the point I was getting at. I don't think that CR has ever been a nuts and bolts guy. Like he's not solely responsible for the success of this product, or whatever else he's been on. I'm not, really, aware of anything where he was, what I would consider, "heavily" involved. I can't even say how heavily involved he is with SC. I've heard of some of the Origin stories, but what I've heard has sounded more like stories of a spoiled child. Ultimately, that shouldn't affect a project, though. He has great concepts. Maybe his ego isn't in check, I don't know. Can't say. Don't know him. However, I wouldn't say that his ego is the driving force behind why SC is late. Also, I wouldn't say that there are many people his equal who I've heard of being humble. 

SEANMCAD

CrazKanuk said:

Arglebargle said:

WC2 was directed and written by the main programmer for WC1.  Roberts was credited as producer, but even his own sources say he wasn't as heavily involved in it as WC1.  Privateer was done by someone else entirely. Only citation for Roberts is for 'original concept'. Privateer 2 was only named that late in production, to cash in on name recognition most likely.  Erin Roberts did that one.  

Talking to friends who worked at Origin, one of their many beefs with Roberts was him taking credit for the work of others.   Every Roberts pronouncement is intended to increase the glory of Chris Roberts.  Thus things like the Youtube videos being listed on imdb as TV productions.   

I talked to a bunch of folks who worked with him at Origin, and the stories were not pretty.

That's actually the point I was getting at. I don't think that CR has ever been a nuts and bolts guy. Like he's not solely responsible for the success of this product, or whatever else he's been on. I'm not, really, aware of anything where he was, what I would consider, "heavily" involved. I can't even say how heavily involved he is with SC. I've heard of some of the Origin stories, but what I've heard has sounded more like stories of a spoiled child. Ultimately, that shouldn't affect a project, though. He has great concepts. Maybe his ego isn't in check, I don't know. Can't say. Don't know him. However, I wouldn't say that his ego is the driving force behind why SC is late. Also, I wouldn't say that there are many people his equal who I've heard of being humble. 

yeah but cant that be said for every single leader of a large project ever in all the history of everness?

Slapshot1188

Talonsin said:

Slapshot1188 said:

I don;t know about anyone else... but I have never "invested" in a game.  I did pre-order a SC package though.  Hopefully they deliver on the Squadron 42 game which is a game I have wanted for many, many years.

But your "pre-order" is not protected by the same laws as pre-ordering from say a BestBuy...  I think the fact that kickstarter projects can fail and leave the people who paid money with nothing, investing might be a better word.  Unless you pre-ordered from their website after the kickstarter, then I feel it is a pre-order and should be protected under those same laws as pre-ordering from BestBuy.

I invested (kickstarter)

I pre-ordered from their website...

Brenics

ROFL 

 http://i.imgur.com/HWWwQsr.jpg

GrumpyHobbit

Brenics said:

ROFL 

 http://i.imgur.com/HWWwQsr.jpg

Stupid here but I don't get what the image is of or why it got you to ROFL.

Adjuvant1

It is pgabz, aka major tom updating Smart's game through Steam while having SC open. There are a couple things funny about it, but you kinda need to know pgabz and be in the conversations from which it leaked, like an in-joke.

GrumpyHobbit

Sort of like a private circle jerk funny or am I missing the joke again?

Adjuvant1

GrumpyHobbit said:

Sort of like a private circle jerk funny or am I missing the joke again?

It's.. people having to find something to chew on since sc tech demo 2.2 is 3 weeks late with conditional invite waves.

GrumpyHobbit

Adjuvant1 said:

GrumpyHobbit said:

Sort of like a private circle jerk funny or am I missing the joke again?

It's.. people having to find something to chew on since sc tech demo 2.2 is 3 weeks late with conditional invite waves.

Oh right.

What a corker of a joke, you should bookmark it for sad days.

Adjuvant1

GrumpyHobbit said:

Adjuvant1 said:

GrumpyHobbit said:

Sort of like a private circle jerk funny or am I missing the joke again?

It's.. people having to find something to chew on since sc tech demo 2.2 is 3 weeks late with conditional invite waves.

Oh right.

What a corker of a joke, you should bookmark it for sad days.

Eh, well, there's alot more to the whole story. There's a guy who claims to be a CIG employee, now draconian stimpire suppressor on the subreddit, who gets fewer hits for youtube vids than pgabz. There's alot of discussion of reddit and RSI participants' takes on the current state of affairs, which is sordid and sad. Of course, Smart working the periphery.

This is stuff from one of 4 sites I frequent, checking out what's new, very little of which I bring here, except some art and lampoon videos. Please believe, though my detractors label me a troll here, I'm not flooding the place with a huge portion of the vitriol and unsubstantiated rumors to which I subject myself in these places. I try to keep it mostly clean and with factual citations.

edit: Which is why I think it's funny when people label me negatively. If you want to see some real SC trolls, heh... I'm telling you, I'm a moderate, abeit passionate.

Distopia

Adjuvant1 said:

GrumpyHobbit said:

Adjuvant1 said:

GrumpyHobbit said:

Sort of like a private circle jerk funny or am I missing the joke again?

It's.. people having to find something to chew on since sc tech demo 2.2 is 3 weeks late with conditional invite waves.

Oh right.

What a corker of a joke, you should bookmark it for sad days.

Eh, well, there's alot more to the whole story. There's a guy who claims to be a CIG employee, now draconian stimpire suppressor on the subreddit, who gets fewer hits for youtube vids than pgabz. There's alot of discussion of reddit and RSI participants' takes on the current state of affairs, which is sordid and sad. Of course, Smart working the periphery.

This is stuff from one of 4 sites I frequent, checking out what's new, very little of which I bring here, except some art and lampoon videos. Please believe, though my detractors label me a troll here, I'm not flooding the place with a huge portion of the vitriol and unsubstantiated rumors to which I subject myself in these places. I try to keep it mostly clean and with factual citations.

edit: Which is why I think it's funny when people label me negatively. If you want to see some real SC trolls, heh... I'm telling you, I'm a moderate, abeit passionate.

Meh stay away from SA, that stuff rots your brain :P...

Adjuvant1

Distopia said:

Meh stay away from SA, that stuff rots your brain :P...

SA is the funniest, most sane of them.

Distopia

Adjuvant1 said:

Distopia said:

Meh stay away from SA, that stuff rots your brain :P...

SA is the funniest, most sane of them.

I guess the PSA came too late for you friend

Adjuvant1

Distopia said:

Adjuvant1 said:

Distopia said:

Meh stay away from SA, that stuff rots your brain :P...

SA is the funniest, most sane of them.

I guess the PSA came too late for you friend

Yeh, about 14 years.

CrazKanuk

Adjuvant1 said:

It is pgabz, aka major tom updating Smart's game through Steam while having SC open. There are a couple things funny about it, but you kinda need to know pgabz and be in the conversations from which it leaked, like an in-joke.

Yeah, someone trying to play two horribly incomplete games

Adjuvant1

Something going around, thought I'd share.

Erillion

Adjuvant1 said:

Something going around, thought I'd share.

Nice one .... Thank you for the link.

And deep bow to the guy that made this and came up with an interesting story!


Have fun

bartoni33

Adjuvant1 said:

Eh, well, there's alot more to the whole story. There's a guy who claims to be a CIG employee, now draconian stimpire suppressor on the subreddit, who gets fewer hits for youtube vids than pgabz. There's alot of discussion of reddit and RSI participants' takes on the current state of affairs, which is sordid and sad. Of course, Smart working the periphery.

Wow it's 4:30 in the morning here. That paragraph makes absolutely no sense to me at all. Kinda hurts a little.

"draconian stimpire suppressor on the subreddit, who gets fewer hits for youtube vids than pgabz " WTF does that even mean? Stimpire? Subreddit? Pgabz? Is that code for something?

Hell the actual SS Brenics posted made perfect sense. Someone was getting ready to play Mr. Smarts game on Steam while Mr. Roberts game was in the background. Kinda funny I guess. It would have been funnier if this was posted before their was anything by RSI to play, but now their is so...

Erillion

bartoni33 said:

Hell the actual SS Brenics posted made perfect sense. Someone was getting ready to play Mr. Smarts game on Steam while Mr. Roberts game was in the background. Kinda funny I guess. It would have been funnier if this was posted before their was anything by RSI to play, but now their is so...

I assume the funny part was that Line of Defense crashes even more often that Star Citizen Alpha ;-)

According to one big German game magazine it crashed 72 times in 6 hours of testing. Thats more than an order of magnitude more than SC Alpha at its worst times.

Currently i am up to 1 to 2 hours of playing SC Alpha without crash .... and then only when i try something strange (like trying to tunnel through walls to get to unreachable parts ... that worked well in the ArcCorp part once and allowed you to pass through a wall out to the landing pad and fly around the ArcCorp landing site with a Constellation in areas that are still off-limits ...)


Have fun

Arillix

Estimate:

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verb (used with object), estimated, estimating.

1.to form an approximate judgment or opinion regarding the worth, amount, size, weight, etc., of; calculate approximately:

to estimate the cost of a college education.

2.to form an opinion of; judge.

verb (used without object), estimated, estimating.

3.to make an estimate.

noun

4.an approximate judgment or calculation, as of the value, amount, time, size, or weight of something.

5.a judgment or opinion, as of the qualities of a person or thing.

6.a statement of the approximate charge for work to be done, submitted by a person or business firm ready to undertake the work.

Projected:

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noun
1.something that is contemplated, devised, or planned; plan; scheme.

2.a large or major undertaking, especially one involving considerable money, personnel, and equipment.

3.a specific task of investigation, especially in scholarship.

4.Education. a supplementary, long-term educational assignment necessitating personal initiative, undertaken by an individual student or a group of students.

5.Often, projects. housing project.

verb (used with object), project

6.to propose, contemplate, or plan.

7.to throw, cast, or impel forward or onward.

8.to set forth or calculate (some future thing):

They projected the building costs for the next five years.

9.to throw or cause to fall upon a surface or into space, as a ray of light or a shadow.

10.to cause (a figure or image) to appear, as on a background.

11.to regard (something within the mind, as a feeling, thought, or attitude) as having some form of reality outside the mind:

He projected a thrilling picture of the party's future.

12.to cause to jut out or protrude.

13.Geometry.

1. to throw forward an image of (a figure or the like) by straight lines or rays, either parallel, converging, or diverging, that pass through all its points and reproduce it on another surface or figure.
2. to transform the points (of one figure) into those of another by a correspondence between points.

14.to present (an idea, program, etc.) for consideration or action:

They made every effort to project the notion of world peace.

15.to use (one's voice, gestures, etc.) forcefully enough to be perceived at a distance, as by all members of the audience in a theater.

16.to communicate clearly and forcefully (one's thoughts, personality, role, etc.) to an audience, as in a theatrical performance; produce a compelling image of.

17.to cause (the voice) to appear to come from a source other than oneself, as in ventriloquism; throw.

verb (used without object), project

18.to extend or protrude beyond something else.

19.to use one's voice forcefully enough to be heard at a distance, as in a theater.

20.to produce a clear impression of one's thoughts, personality, role, etc., in an audience; communicate clearly and forcefully.

21.Psychology. to ascribe one's own feelings, thoughts, or attitudes to others.


Unreasonable

adjective

1.not reasonable or rational; acting at variance with or contrary to reason; not guided by reason or sound judgment; irrational:

an unreasonable person.

2.not in accordance with practical realities, as attitude or behavior; inappropriate:

His Bohemianism was an unreasonable way of life for one so rich.

3.excessive, immoderate, or exorbitant; unconscionable:

an unreasonable price; unreasonable demands.

4.not having the faculty of reason.

Adjuvant1

bartoni33 said:

 Pgabz?

Creative genius who brought us all excellent videos like this one. (caution sound)



Stimpire is oft cited fanfic from a RSI contributor. Subreddit is a subreddit.

bartoni33

Adjuvant1 said:

bartoni33 said:

 Pgabz?

Creative genius who brought us all excellent videos like this one. (caution sound)



Stimpire is oft cited fanfic from a RSI contributor. Subreddit is a subreddit.

Ahh thank you for the clarifications.

Not sure if I would call the video maker a genius though. Misspellings are as common as the glitching he is showing in an alpha game. BTW, have you played any PC games? Because glitching is common even for complete games. Seems a lot of trouble to go through just to troll an unfinished game IMHO.

I Googled Stimpire and saw a few postings by various people, one in some 4Chan (yes, I do know what that abomination is ) community type forum so I stayed away.

Subreddit was new to me though. Kinda like this site: Some really good stuff buried underneath a bunch of crap.

Adjuvant1

bartoni33 said:

Misspellings are as common as the glitching he is showing in an alpha game. 

They're intentional.

bartoni33 said:

I Googled Stimpire and saw a few postings by various people, one in some 4Chan (yes, I do know what that abomination is ) community type forum so I stayed away.

Chris Poole was a 14yo denizen on SA when he built the site you mention. He's subsequently sold it for a discrete, yet substantial, sum of money. Not that it matters alot, but an interesting factoid.

bartoni33

Adjuvant1 said:

bartoni33 said:

Misspellings are as common as the glitching he is showing in an alpha game. 

They're intentional.

May I ask why? Or is he just 12 and thinks it's funny?