Underrated to me is something that not many played but was a great game
If it was a great game, many people would play it...
Not at all...I played several that had little or no marketing for the game...You never played a MMO that had less than a couple thousand players that was a really good game?
Underrated to me is something that not many played but was a great game
If it was a great game, many people would play it...
World of Warcraft has millions of player. However, according to a lot of people on this site it's a horrible game. Some even claim that it was the start of the downfall of the mmo genre as a whole. I don't feel that WoW is a bad game but peoples opinions very.
Population doesn't equal quality.
Some people like to throw out numbers....Heck even McDonalds sells millions of burgers but that doesnt mean they have good hamburgers right?
Underrated to me is something that not many played but was a great game
If it was a great game, many people would play it...
World of Warcraft has millions of player. However, according to a lot of people on this site it's a horrible game. Some even claim that it was the start of the downfall of the mmo genre as a whole. I don't feel that WoW is a bad game but peoples opinions very.
Population doesn't equal quality.
Some people like to throw out numbers....Heck even McDonalds sells millions of burgers but that doesnt mean they have good hamburgers right?
Thats because numbers are one of the few objective metrics. I dont think there are many, if any metrics on quality.
Marketing allows people to sell you trash and make you think you are getting gold.
So products that are marketed are trash? We should ignore all marketing? Only buy products not marketed? Only eat at places not marketed?
Come on now... that's just not fair.
Some products are trash and some are not. Good marketing will improve your sales in either.
Same could be said for the dumb statement that marketed products are trash and that only under marketed products are where the true gold products are.
so your holding steady to your dumb statement because mine is?
lets do this:
you think my statement is dumb, I still think its valid but I think you are twisting what I am saying a bit inaccurately on purpose.
You think the amount of money spent on marketing doesnt matter...yes? or no?
my position be it idotic or otherwise doesnt make yours any less or more valid? they are two seperate strings so to speak
Your the one with the blanket statement that marketed products are trash and that only under marketed products are where the true gold products are. Fact is everyone markets with the budget they have. Some high end marketing is to sell crap products. Some top dollar marketing is to sell awesome items. Same can be said with products with low budgets for marketing. Where your argument falls apart is the gold seal products. The best of the best is all marketed that hell out of. You want the fastest car in the world, you know what to buy. You want the best CPU, again you know what that is. You want to eat from the plate of the worlds best chef, you again will know where to go because of marketing. Because when you are the best, money backs you and money wants to make money.
FOCUS!! !please
put aside my idoitic comments that I am still holding strong to aside for ONE FRIGGIN SECOND.
'do you or do you not think a game that spends 100 million dollars on marketing is going to more than likely attract more players than one that spend 1000 dollars on maketing?
if you answer that question I will have my brain free to address my position and your attack on it but not before then
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
FOCUS!! !please
put aside my idoitic comments that I am still holding strong to aside for ONE FRIGGIN SECOND.
'do you or do you not think a game that spends 100 million dollars on marketing is going to more than likely attract more players than one that spend 1000 dollars on maketing?
if you answer that question I will have my brain free to address my position and your attack on it but not before then
Read my post above and you will have your answer. Fact is you wont reply to the post in whole because it shows how backwards your thinking is on this.
SEANMCAD said: You cant just take raw numbers without considering the impact 100 million dollar marketing budget vs a $10 marketing budget has on the population of a game.
Marketing allows people to sell you trash and make you think you are getting gold.
So products that are marketed are trash? We should ignore all marketing? Only buy products not marketed? Only eat at places not marketed?
Come on now... that's just not fair.
Some products are trash and some are not. Good marketing will improve your sales in either.
Same could be said for the dumb statement that marketed products are trash and that only under marketed products are where the true gold products are.
so your holding steady to your dumb statement because mine is?
lets do this:
you think my statement is dumb, I still think its valid but I think you are twisting what I am saying a bit inaccurately on purpose.
You think the amount of money spent on marketing doesnt matter...yes? or no?
my position be it idotic or otherwise doesnt make yours any less or more valid? they are two seperate strings so to speak
Your the one with the blanket statement that marketed products are trash and that only under marketed products are where the true gold products are. Fact is everyone markets with the budget they have. Some high end marketing is to sell crap products. Some top dollar marketing is to sell awesome items. Same can be said with products with low budgets for marketing. Where your argument falls apart is the gold seal products. The best of the best is all marketed that hell out of. You want the fastest car in the world, you know what to buy. You want the best CPU, again you know what that is. You want to eat from the plate of the worlds best chef, you again will know where to go because of marketing. Because when you are the best, money backs you and money wants to make money.
"Marketing allows people to sell you trash and make you think you are getting gold."
It's not a blanket statement and it's true. Just don't read it personally.
Infomercials and all the latest exercise contraptions, diet scams, get rich seminars can attest to it.
SEANMCAD said: You cant just take raw numbers without considering the impact 100 million dollar marketing budget vs a $10 marketing budget has on the population of a game.
I can't...? I am fairly sure I can.
lol..
ok well its fine that you believe spending 100 million dollars on marketing has the same effect as spending $10 on marketing but that is so bizzare it almost makes me want to put you on ignore.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Marketing allows people to sell you trash and make you think you are getting gold.
So products that are marketed are trash? We should ignore all marketing? Only buy products not marketed? Only eat at places not marketed?
Come on now... that's just not fair.
Some products are trash and some are not. Good marketing will improve your sales in either.
Same could be said for the dumb statement that marketed products are trash and that only under marketed products are where the true gold products are.
so your holding steady to your dumb statement because mine is?
lets do this:
you think my statement is dumb, I still think its valid but I think you are twisting what I am saying a bit inaccurately on purpose.
You think the amount of money spent on marketing doesnt matter...yes? or no?
my position be it idotic or otherwise doesnt make yours any less or more valid? they are two seperate strings so to speak
Your the one with the blanket statement that marketed products are trash and that only under marketed products are where the true gold products are. Fact is everyone markets with the budget they have. Some high end marketing is to sell crap products. Some top dollar marketing is to sell awesome items. Same can be said with products with low budgets for marketing. Where your argument falls apart is the gold seal products. The best of the best is all marketed that hell out of. You want the fastest car in the world, you know what to buy. You want the best CPU, again you know what that is. You want to eat from the plate of the worlds best chef, you again will know where to go because of marketing. Because when you are the best, money backs you and money wants to make money.
"Marketing allows people to sell you trash and make you think you are getting gold."
It's not a blanket statement and it's true. Just don't read it personally.
Infomercials and all the latest exercise contraptions, diet scams, get rich seminars can attest to it.
Your missing the second 1/2 of his stance. The real gold products are the ones under marketed. There is as much crap down there as well.
Not at all...I played several that had little or no marketing for the game...You never played a MMO that had less than a couple thousand players that was a really good game?
Good for you but that does not make a game good, it makes it a game you enjoyed, you like.
SEANMCAD said: You cant just take raw numbers without considering the impact 100 million dollar marketing budget vs a $10 marketing budget has on the population of a game.
I can't...? I am fairly sure I can.
lol..
ok well its fine that you believe spending 100 million dollars on marketing has the same effect as spending $10 on marketing but that is so bizzare it almost makes me want to put you on ignore.
The irony is that YOU can't.
You can't separate marketing from the product, it is a whole package, thus considering 100M vs 10M marketing budget is absolutrely legit.
Your the one with the blanket statement that marketed products are trash and that only under marketed products are where the true gold products are. Fact is everyone markets with the budget they have. Some high end marketing is to sell crap products. Some top dollar marketing is to sell awesome items. Same can be said with products with low budgets for marketing. Where your argument falls apart is the gold seal products. The best of the best is all marketed that hell out of. You want the fastest car in the world, you know what to buy. You want the best CPU, again you know what that is. You want to eat from the plate of the worlds best chef, you again will know where to go because of marketing. Because when you are the best, money backs you and money wants to make money.
"Marketing allows people to sell you trash and make you think you are getting gold."
It's not a blanket statement and it's true. Just don't read it personally.
Infomercials and all the latest exercise contraptions, diet scams, get rich seminars can attest to it.
Your missing the second 1/2 of his stance. The real gold products are the ones under marketed. There is as much crap down there as well.
You guys are getting hung up on semantics. Your both bringing forward valid points.
Your the one with the blanket statement that marketed products are trash and that only under marketed products are where the true gold products are. Fact is everyone markets with the budget they have. Some high end marketing is to sell crap products. Some top dollar marketing is to sell awesome items. Same can be said with products with low budgets for marketing. Where your argument falls apart is the gold seal products. The best of the best is all marketed that hell out of. You want the fastest car in the world, you know what to buy. You want the best CPU, again you know what that is. You want to eat from the plate of the worlds best chef, you again will know where to go because of marketing. Because when you are the best, money backs you and money wants to make money.
"Marketing allows people to sell you trash and make you think you are getting gold."
It's not a blanket statement and it's true. Just don't read it personally.
Infomercials and all the latest exercise contraptions, diet scams, get rich seminars can attest to it.
Your missing the second 1/2 of his stance. The real gold products are the ones under marketed. There is as much crap down there as well.
You guys are getting hung up on semantics. Your both bringing forward valid points.
Thats what a debate on a topic is all about. I may or may not agree with him =-)
You guys are getting hung up on semantics. Your both bringing forward valid points.
Thats what a debate on a topic is all about. I may or may not agree with him =-)
and you STILL haven't clarified your position.
Regarding my position: my personal and direct hands on experience over several years has been that on AVERAGE not 'ALL THE TIME' items that are marketed heavy are usually not better than other options and often other options are better then the heavy marketed one AND often cost less as well. Your personal direct hands on experience might be different but at the very least stop trying to be the only guy who is not trolling on this forum who thinks my statement means 'in all cases'
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Regarding my position: my personal and direct hands on experience over several years has been that on AVERAGE not 'ALL THE TIME' items that are marketed heavy are usually not better than other options and often other options are better then the heavy marketed one AND often cost less as well. Your personal direct hands on experience might be different but at the very least stop trying to be the only guy who is not trolling on this forum who thinks my statement means 'in all cases'
Yeah, your experience, your arbitrary qualifiers.
Whether you like something does not make it good, it makes it only something you like. No more, no less.
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'if you spend 100 million dollars on marketing you will get more players into your game then if you spend $100 dollars on marketing in most cases'
you are saying that is 100% false and the 400 billion dollar a year industry is just a waste of money
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Some products are trash and some are not. Good marketing will improve your sales in either.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
lets do this:
you think my statement is dumb, I still think its valid but I think you are twisting what I am saying a bit inaccurately on purpose.
You think the amount of money spent on marketing doesnt matter...yes? or no?
my position be it idotic or otherwise doesnt make yours any less or more valid? they are two seperate strings so to speak
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
FOCUS!!
!please put aside my idoitic comments that I am still holding strong to aside for ONE FRIGGIN SECOND.
'do you or do you not think a game that spends 100 million dollars on marketing is going to more than likely attract more players than one that spend 1000 dollars on maketing?
if you answer that question I will have my brain free to address my position and your attack on it but not before then
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
It's not a blanket statement and it's true. Just don't read it personally.
Infomercials and all the latest exercise contraptions, diet scams, get rich seminars can attest to it.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
ok well its fine that you believe spending 100 million dollars on marketing has the same effect as spending $10 on marketing but that is so bizzare it almost makes me want to put you on ignore.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
I am putting you on ignore, I have seen enough its clear to me now what you are doing. take care
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Regarding my position:
my personal and direct hands on experience over several years has been that on AVERAGE not 'ALL THE TIME' items that are marketed heavy are usually not better than other options and often other options are better then the heavy marketed one AND often cost less as well.
Your personal direct hands on experience might be different but at the very least stop trying to be the only guy who is not trolling on this forum who thinks my statement means 'in all cases'
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Whether you like something does not make it good, it makes it only something you like. No more, no less.