It is not live. (the buffs are NOT in LIVE) and the attacker IS flagged PvP and so is the other because the missing flag is in the no branch where is both players flagged? NO. then auto flag the attacked player as in pvp. Go ask on the forums if in doubt and check the most recent developer blog.
I understand what you say but there is always some ashhatoles who dont care about it and will make PVE players lives miserable just because they can. Usually these type of players have several more accounts so they enjoy it.
Here is the bottom line and why the developers are trying to get better OW FFA.
One they changed the flagging system so if you flag neither party takes and consequence. If the one flagging the other attacks he take some karma loss the player he attacks is auto flagged PvP so if that player dies he loses experience and the attacker take more karma hit.
Late game is grind heavy so player that has bad karma has to grind it off BUT still moves the experience bar forward while the player he killed is grind back lost experience and is losing hours making up for not flagging up.
If the above is true, then this is an awful system. It is grossly unfair to have a player being attacked unprovoked to be experiencing any type of penalty other than death and experiencing the inconvenience of being interrupted with what they were doing and forced to respawn. I sure hope the above is not the case because if it is, this game will go the way of the do-do really quick.
What they are doing is actually forcing PvE to PvP and possibly cause the attacker loss experience or just man up and do it in the first place. Stupid move in my opinion
P.S. - it is live right now so someone go test it.
Sounds like a great way to totally annoy the hell out of PVE players, if BDO's intention was to alienate PVE players, congratulations, job done.
While there always seems to be a limit to intelligence, stupidity often knows no bounds.
You can't force PVE players to PVP. It will not be accepted, not even a little bit.
If a PVE player is vulnerable to PVP player attacks, the result is always that the PVE player leaves the game, always.
lol...that is the funnest reply I have seen this week. kind of like how when you are in jail you are actually free because you have choices...arguement
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Maybe the "PvE only" players shouldn't be playing games with pvp?
True, but the fact some PVE purists got enticed into trying this game because there is rarely a straightforward dicussion about MMO, is not their fault.
There are threads and replies that said:
"Black Desert reminds me of Vanguard" "Black Desert reminds me of EQ" "Black Desert reminds me of WoW" "Black Desert reminds me of chocolat mousse"
None of these things make any sense of course.
There is rarely an honest discussion, where someone says:
"If you're a PVE purist who likes raid progression PVE endgame and want a group focused PVE game...Black Desert is not for you".
You can't force PVE players to PVP. It will not be accepted, not even a little bit.
If a PVE player is vulnerable to PVP player attacks, the result is always that the PVE player leaves the game, always.
lol...that is the funnest reply I have seen this week
Don't believe me? Try telling a PVE player they will be forced to PVP, see what happens.
Maybe the "PvE only" players shouldn't be playing games with pvp?
This in theory should always be a non-issue. And yet we have the same discussion over and over and over again with each game.
I swear, some players make their own little hells.
That being the case, why do developer's design games that are "PvE only" until a certain level and then switch the rules around at end game? If the game is going to be entirely "PvP-centric" at end game then make the game "PvP-centric" from the get go. Don't go switching it up and turning a perceived PvE game into a PvP game at end game because then it is a developer's game design that is at fault and not the PvE players fault. In other words, a good argument could be made that it is the developer who is creating those little hells and not the player.
You can't force PVE players to PVP. It will not be accepted, not even a little bit.
If a PVE player is vulnerable to PVP player attacks, the result is always that the PVE player leaves the game, always.
lol...that is the funnest reply I have seen this week
Don't believe me? Try telling a PVE player they will be forced to PVP, see what happens.
Maybe the "PvE only" players shouldn't be playing games with pvp?
This in theory should always be a non-issue. And yet we have the same discussion over and over and over again with each game.
I swear, some players make their own little hells.
That being the case, why do developer's design games that are "PvE only" until a certain level. If the game is going to be entirely "PvP-centric" after a certain level why entice a "PvE only" player to play your game and then switch the rules on them at end game? In other words, a good argument could be made that it is the developer who is creating those little hells, not the player.
yeah it sounds like the worst idea ever.
PvP players are going to complain about the grind to get to pvp and the pve players are going to be complain about getting punk.
this is bad
and then over course there is gender locking classes as an expression of 'sandbox'? really?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
That being the case, why do developer's design games that are "PvE only" until a certain level and then switch the rules around at end game. If the game is going to be entirely "PvP-centric" after a certain level why entice a "PvE only" player to play your game and then switch the rules on them at end game? In other words, a good argument could be made that it is the developer who is creating those little hells, not the player.
Couldn't begin to tell you except maybe their demographic likes both pvp and pve. Maybe they want players to be comfortable with the characters before they pvp?
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Maybe the "PvE only" players shouldn't be playing games with pvp?
True, but the fact some PVE purists got enticed into trying this game because there is rarely a straightforward dicussion about MMO, is not their fault.
There are threads and replies that said:
"Black Desert reminds me of Vanguard" "Black Desert reminds me of EQ" "Black Desert reminds me of WoW" "Black Desert reminds me of chocolat mousse"
None of these things make any sense of course.
There is rarely an honest discussion, where someone says:
"If you're a PVE purist who likes raid progression PVE endgame and want a group focused PVE game...Black Desert is not for you".
To some extent I agree but I think also sites that promote the games should seek the real mechanics out and give a better picture instead of saying 'oh... look... a PvE sandbox!'
You can't force PVE players to PVP. It will not be accepted, not even a little bit.
If a PVE player is vulnerable to PVP player attacks, the result is always that the PVE player leaves the game, always.
lol...that is the funnest reply I have seen this week
Don't believe me? Try telling a PVE player they will be forced to PVP, see what happens.
Maybe the "PvE only" players shouldn't be playing games with pvp?
This in theory should always be a non-issue. And yet we have the same discussion over and over and over again with each game.
I swear, some players make their own little hells.
And we always have games where there are 2 servers PVE and PVP and the PVP players are always complaining how empty is PVP and how the PVE server needs to allow for OW PVP because is the right thing to do.
Maybe the "PvE only" players shouldn't be playing games with pvp?
True, but the fact some PVE purists got enticed into trying this game because there is rarely a straightforward dicussion about MMO, is not their fault.
There are threads and replies that said:
"Black Desert reminds me of Vanguard" "Black Desert reminds me of EQ" "Black Desert reminds me of WoW" "Black Desert reminds me of chocolat mousse"
None of these things make any sense of course.
There is rarely an honest discussion, where someone says:
"If you're a PVE purist who likes raid progression PVE endgame and want a group focused PVE game...Black Desert is not for you".
Actually there have been numerous discussions about what he game entails. And if you actually read the "Vanguard" thread there are numerous players who discuss why they don't think the game is like Vanguard.
The problem here is that people never do their "due diligence" or have such "personal" expectations that nothing can satisfy them.
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You can't force PVE players to PVP. It will not be accepted, not even a little bit.
If a PVE player is vulnerable to PVP player attacks, the result is always that the PVE player leaves the game, always.
lol...that is the funnest reply I have seen this week
Don't believe me? Try telling a PVE player they will be forced to PVP, see what happens.
Maybe the "PvE only" players shouldn't be playing games with pvp?
This in theory should always be a non-issue. And yet we have the same discussion over and over and over again with each game.
I swear, some players make their own little hells.
And we always have games where there are 2 servers PVE and PVP and the PVP players are always complaining how empty is PVP and how the PVE server needs to allow for OW PVP because is the right thing to do.
that is nothing more that pvp players really saying 'we have ticked off everyone on our server and we want to some easy targets'
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
You can't force PVE players to PVP. It will not be accepted, not even a little bit.
If a PVE player is vulnerable to PVP player attacks, the result is always that the PVE player leaves the game, always.
lol...that is the funnest reply I have seen this week
Don't believe me? Try telling a PVE player they will be forced to PVP, see what happens.
Maybe the "PvE only" players shouldn't be playing games with pvp?
This in theory should always be a non-issue. And yet we have the same discussion over and over and over again with each game.
I swear, some players make their own little hells.
And we always have games where there are 2 servers PVE and PVP and the PVP players are always complaining how empty is PVP and how the PVE server needs to allow for OW PVP because is the right thing to do.
I think one can construe from what I said that anyone playing a game that doesn't cater to what they need should not be playing it. Whether that's pvp or pve.
If one is a pvp person or pve person, doesn't matter, don't play games with mechanics that you hate or at least cannot tolerate.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
You can't force PVE players to PVP. It will not be accepted, not even a little bit.
If a PVE player is vulnerable to PVP player attacks, the result is always that the PVE player leaves the game, always.
lol...that is the funnest reply I have seen this week
Don't believe me? Try telling a PVE player they will be forced to PVP, see what happens.
Maybe the "PvE only" players shouldn't be playing games with pvp?
This in theory should always be a non-issue. And yet we have the same discussion over and over and over again with each game.
I swear, some players make their own little hells.
And we always have games where there are 2 servers PVE and PVP and the PVP players are always complaining how empty is PVP and how the PVE server needs to allow for OW PVP because is the right thing to do.
I think one can construe from what I said that anyone playing a game that doesn't cater to what they need should not be playing it. Whether that's pvp or pve.
If one is a pvp person or pve person, doesn't matter, don't play games with mechanics that you hate or at least cannot tolerate.
Then dont make games with both choices that way the game does not end empty.
I think one can construe from what I said that anyone playing a game that doesn't cater to what they need should not be playing it. Whether that's pvp or pve.
If one is a pvp person or pve person, doesn't matter, don't play games with mechanics that you hate or at least cannot tolerate.
I think you dont understand what I am saying
you are thinking TOTALLY binary as if they ONLY feature in a game is pvp or pve nothing more.
think really really hard and try to answer this question 'I played darkfall for 4 years but I dont like pvp can you think of some reasons why?'
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Maybe the "PvE only" players shouldn't be playing games with pvp?
True, but the fact some PVE purists got enticed into trying this game because there is rarely a straightforward dicussion about MMO, is not their fault.
There are threads and replies that said:
"Black Desert reminds me of Vanguard" "Black Desert reminds me of EQ" "Black Desert reminds me of WoW" "Black Desert reminds me of chocolat mousse"
None of these things make any sense of course.
There is rarely an honest discussion, where someone says:
"If you're a PVE purist who likes raid progression PVE endgame and want a group focused PVE game...Black Desert is not for you".
To some extent I agree but I think also sites that promote the games should seek the real mechanics out and give a better picture instead of saying 'oh... look... a PvE sandbox!'
Calling a game a PVE sandbox when its really an OW-FFA PVP game, is a very good example of players getting scammed, but its a great way to make box sales, as the PVE players will buy the game, but won't hang around for long. As long as the PVE players dont try any charge back shenanigans, then the company is laughing all the way to the bank
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Verify Jean-Luc .. is there any XP loss to the unprovoked attacked if killed? Yes or No?
While there always seems to be a limit to intelligence, stupidity often knows no bounds.
Basically SOME in the pvp crowd are good at asking for 'I want to punk pve players!' by obfuscating the request to make it look reasonable
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
If a PVE player is vulnerable to PVP player attacks, the result is always that the PVE player leaves the game, always.
lol...that is the funnest reply I have seen this week. kind of like how when you are in jail you are actually free because you have choices...arguement
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Its just the logic sequence you are going down is the same as 'you always have a choice in life' meaning you could always die if you want.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
This in theory should always be a non-issue. And yet we have the same discussion over and over and over again with each game.
I swear, some players make their own little hells.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
I played Darkfall for 4 years but I didnt like pvp. why? makes your head explody figuring that one out doesnt?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
There are threads and replies that said:
"Black Desert reminds me of Vanguard"
"Black Desert reminds me of EQ"
"Black Desert reminds me of WoW"
"Black Desert reminds me of chocolat mousse"
None of these things make any sense of course.
There is rarely an honest discussion, where someone says:
"If you're a PVE purist who likes raid progression PVE endgame and want a group focused PVE game...Black Desert is not for you".
That being the case, why do developer's design games that are "PvE only" until a certain level and then switch the rules around at end game? If the game is going to be entirely "PvP-centric" at end game then make the game "PvP-centric" from the get go. Don't go switching it up and turning a perceived PvE game into a PvP game at end game because then it is a developer's game design that is at fault and not the PvE players fault. In other words, a good argument could be made that it is the developer who is creating those little hells and not the player.
PvP players are going to complain about the grind to get to pvp and the pve players are going to be complain about getting punk.
this is bad
and then over course there is gender locking classes as an expression of 'sandbox'? really?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
If you are interested in making a MMO maybe visit my page to get a free open source engine.
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Actually there have been numerous discussions about what he game entails. And if you actually read the "Vanguard" thread there are numerous players who discuss why they don't think the game is like Vanguard.
The problem here is that people never do their "due diligence" or have such "personal" expectations that nothing can satisfy them.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
I think one can construe from what I said that anyone playing a game that doesn't cater to what they need should not be playing it. Whether that's pvp or pve.
If one is a pvp person or pve person, doesn't matter, don't play games with mechanics that you hate or at least cannot tolerate.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
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want 7 free days of playing? Try this
http://www.swtor.com/r/ZptVnY
you are thinking TOTALLY binary as if they ONLY feature in a game is pvp or pve nothing more.
think really really hard and try to answer this question
'I played darkfall for 4 years but I dont like pvp can you think of some reasons why?'
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me