Edit: Parody is not plagiarism, there are laws for that.
If I steal someone's artwork and try to pass it off as my own saying "oh it's just a parody!" Isn't going to hold up especially if I used it to get money. The creator of that Kickstarter can be in some hot water if the owners of the art from Deviantart decide to report it to Kickstarter
I still do not grasp why you had to make a post about all this on SC forums pointing fingers at CR, waiting for the hate squad to arrive and start throwing s**t at him like they always do.
What was the purpose of this thread other than the obvious one ?
As i mentioned above, CR promoted Kingdom Come : Deliverance as well. If anything goes wrong with this product, if a developer does something shady or whatever will you come here again asking us "what we think" ?
Basically David Ladyman (CEO Trader's Luck Games/Star Traders 2016) is working for CIG on Star Citizen, I do not know about the Deliverance devs though; I just guess they are not working for CIG.
You know why you made this thread. We know why you made this thread. Please don't get all offended when the obvious happens.
Using your logic this very site should be brought to heel for any advertisement, recommendation, support or commentary on any game that has ever failed simply by association and I think it would be safe to assume everyone realises just how daft that is.
Edit: Parody is not plagiarism, there are laws for that.
If I steal someone's artwork and try to pass it off as my own saying "oh it's just a parody!" Isn't going to hold up especially if I used it to get money. The creator of that Kickstarter can be in some hot water if the owners of the art from Deviantart decide to report it to Kickstarter
I still do not grasp why you had to make a post about all this on SC forums pointing fingers at CR, waiting for the hate squad to arrive and start throwing s**t at him like they always do.
What was the purpose of this thread other than the obvious one ?
As i mentioned above, CR promoted Kingdom Come : Deliverance as well. If anything goes wrong with this product, if a developer does something shady or whatever will you come here again asking us "what we think" ?
I actually didn't point fingers at CR. My first sentence is that this isn't an attack against them. Are you so blinded by your bias to anything that isn't immediately positive and praising CR and SC that you go right on the offensive?
And yes if something shady does come up with Deliverance I will ask if people think they will be guilty by association. Notice I didn't say they were guilty but if people think they would be. You seem to think they are guilty though by all of this trying so very hard to say I am somehow blaming them.
Anyway to answer your question short answer: No Long answer: Nope
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You know why you made this thread. We know why you made this thread. Please don't get all offended when the obvious happens.
Using your logic this very site should be brought to heel for any advertisement, recommendation, support or commentary on any game that has ever failed simply by association and I think it would be safe to assume everyone realises just how daft that is.
This is common sense which does not apply to the CR / SC hate squad here.
From now on all persons even loosely related to CR will come under scrutiny and their actions will be projected on him.
You know why you made this thread. We know why you made this thread. Please don't get all offended when the obvious happens.
Using your logic this very site should be brought to heel for any advertisement, recommendation, support or commentary on any game that has ever failed simply by association and I think it would be safe to assume everyone realises just how daft that is.
Why did I make this thread because it seems everyone is making this out to be about Derek Smart. I found the info from surfing Kickstarter and posted it, how was I supposed to know the fans would jump me for a post where I say I'm not actually attacking them? Next time I might as well attack them so the hate towards me can at least be justified
You know why you made this thread. We know why you made this thread. Please don't get all offended when the obvious happens.
Using your logic this very site should be brought to heel for any advertisement, recommendation, support or commentary on any game that has ever failed simply by association and I think it would be safe to assume everyone realises just how daft that is.
Why did I make this thread because it seems everyone is making this out to be about Derek Smart. I found the info from surfing Kickstarter and posted it, how was I supposed to know the fans would jump me for a post where I say I'm not actually attacking them? Next time I might as well attack them so the hate towards me can at least be justified
You had an agenda otherwise you would not have singled them out.
You didn't mention the name of the artist who did the work. You didn't mention Richard Garriott who is also a friend and also depicted.
Do not try and worm your way out of taking responsibility and owning up when you get caught.
You know why you made this thread. We know why you made this thread. Please don't get all offended when the obvious happens.
Using your logic this very site should be brought to heel for any advertisement, recommendation, support or commentary on any game that has ever failed simply by association and I think it would be safe to assume everyone realises just how daft that is.
Why did I make this thread because it seems everyone is making this out to be about Derek Smart. I found the info from surfing Kickstarter and posted it, how was I supposed to know the fans would jump me for a post where I say I'm not actually attacking them? Next time I might as well attack them so the hate towards me can at least be justified
It's no use, no matter what they will attack to try and close all threads other than Erillion's.
Personally MMORPG should just close SC forums. Not because they say it isn't an MMO (I still read on RSI it is), but because if nothing bad (that is true) can be posted in it what is the purpose of it other than goody goody posts. That isn't what this site is about or ever has been. It was always about the MMO's we play and to debate them without attacking swearing and condescending people.
If MMORPG.com started to only allow good posts to be made in any games forums and not allowing both sides of the picture then they may as well close up. People will end up going to other forums (game sites) to get the clear pictures of there games.
The strange part is how the SC whiteknights are allowed to attack in just about every post they make when dealing with any thread they disagree with.
I personally would hate losing my favorite MMO site, been here for too long and there really is no other good one's like this one.
But we know what the come back would be to this post.
You know why you made this thread. We know why you made this thread. Please don't get all offended when the obvious happens.
Using your logic this very site should be brought to heel for any advertisement, recommendation, support or commentary on any game that has ever failed simply by association and I think it would be safe to assume everyone realises just how daft that is.
Why did I make this thread because it seems everyone is making this out to be about Derek Smart. I found the info from surfing Kickstarter and posted it, how was I supposed to know the fans would jump me for a post where I say I'm not actually attacking them? Next time I might as well attack them so the hate towards me can at least be justified
It's no use, no matter what they will attack to try and close all threads other than Erillion's.
"snip"
But we know what the come back would be to this post.
You know why you made this thread. We know why you made this thread. Please don't get all offended when the obvious happens.
Using your logic this very site should be brought to heel for any advertisement, recommendation, support or commentary on any game that has ever failed simply by association and I think it would be safe to assume everyone realises just how daft that is.
Why did I make this thread because it seems everyone is making this out to be about Derek Smart. I found the info from surfing Kickstarter and posted it, how was I supposed to know the fans would jump me for a post where I say I'm not actually attacking them? Next time I might as well attack them so the hate towards me can at least be justified
You had an agenda otherwise you would not have singled them out.
You didn't mention the name of the artist who did the work. You didn't mention Richard Garriott who is also a friend and also depicted.
Do not try and worm your way out of taking responsibility and owning up when you get caught.
He posted links with the information why would he have to write names, he asked one question and you refuse to accept it or answer. Just attack! Sad really.
You know why you made this thread. We know why you made this thread. Please don't get all offended when the obvious happens.
Using your logic this very site should be brought to heel for any advertisement, recommendation, support or commentary on any game that has ever failed simply by association and I think it would be safe to assume everyone realises just how daft that is.
Why did I make this thread because it seems everyone is making this out to be about Derek Smart. I found the info from surfing Kickstarter and posted it, how was I supposed to know the fans would jump me for a post where I say I'm not actually attacking them? Next time I might as well attack them so the hate towards me can at least be justified
You had an agenda otherwise you would not have singled them out.
You didn't mention the name of the artist who did the work. You didn't mention Richard Garriott who is also a friend and also depicted.
Do not try and worm your way out of taking responsibility and owning up when you get caught.
He posted links with the information why would he have to write names, he asked one question and you refuse to accept it or answer. Just attack! Sad really.
Why did he SPECIFICALLY single out Chris and Sandi and NOT the actual artist or Richard Garriott?
If you fail to see the big TROLL letters written all over the OP's post then sorry, I don't care.
And as for this site only letting the nice threads onto the forums.....seriously wtf dude...all there is on the SC forums are you guys posting daily some spurious link, some insinuated wrong doing, some wild arsed assumption or flat out troll bait!
You know why you made this thread. We know why you made this thread. Please don't get all offended when the obvious happens.
Using your logic this very site should be brought to heel for any advertisement, recommendation, support or commentary on any game that has ever failed simply by association and I think it would be safe to assume everyone realises just how daft that is.
Why did I make this thread because it seems everyone is making this out to be about Derek Smart. I found the info from surfing Kickstarter and posted it, how was I supposed to know the fans would jump me for a post where I say I'm not actually attacking them? Next time I might as well attack them so the hate towards me can at least be justified
It's no use, no matter what they will attack to try and close all threads other than Erillion's.
"snip"
But we know what the come back would be to this post.
Did I point a finger at them? I asked your honest opinion after presenting the information I had available so if you all weren't aware you could make your own judgement.
Then you are just hilariously.. well.
In short.... No
Only if someone can prove that it was CIG who provided the artwork and that it was in fact stolen.
But then again... I hope to what ever deity fits that you knew that... Because the option is way to sad to be true.
Edit: Parody is not plagiarism, there are laws for that.
If I steal someone's artwork and try to pass it off as my own saying "oh it's just a parody!" Isn't going to hold up especially if I used it to get money. The creator of that Kickstarter can be in some hot water if the owners of the art from Deviantart decide to report it to Kickstarter
By your logic Weird Al would be in jail, if you change it and make it into a joke you legally can get away with being very close to original products. The Wayans Brothers, and Weird Al have made a career of parody. Mad TV, and Saturday Night Live, they all do the same thing. In a court you would lose.
This isn't even a project by CIG, they just promoted it because it's funny. If people are willing to spend their money to support a random guy, to make a parody game they should be able to do so.
You know why you made this thread. We know why you made this thread. Please don't get all offended when the obvious happens.
Using your logic this very site should be brought to heel for any advertisement, recommendation, support or commentary on any game that has ever failed simply by association and I think it would be safe to assume everyone realises just how daft that is.
Why did I make this thread because it seems everyone is making this out to be about Derek Smart. I found the info from surfing Kickstarter and posted it, how was I supposed to know the fans would jump me for a post where I say I'm not actually attacking them? Next time I might as well attack them so the hate towards me can at least be justified
You had an agenda otherwise you would not have singled them out.
You didn't mention the name of the artist who did the work. You didn't mention Richard Garriott who is also a friend and also depicted.
Do not try and worm your way out of taking responsibility and owning up when you get caught.
Nope didn't mention Richard Garriott because this is the star citizen forum and it was mentioned in the linked post and from what I could see from the Kickstarter page he wasn't heavily promoting it like Chris was/is. I could be wrong on that last point so feel free to correct me instead of attacking me.
Im not worming my way out of anything. I am laughing at the attacks in this thread alone for me posting something and saying I'm not attacking Sandi or Chris
Did I point a finger at them? I asked your honest opinion after presenting the information I had available so if you all weren't aware you could make your own judgement.
Then you are just hilariously.. well.
In short.... No
Only if someone can prove that it was CIG who provided the artwork and that it was in fact stolen.
But then again... I hope to what ever deity fits that you knew that... Because the option is way to sad to be true.
Read my OP again where I say the creator stole the art. I never said Chris or Sandi provided it. Also read the links where they show the original deviantart pictures and DnD picture and how the creator just put other people's face on them.
Your post is rather hilarious though that you accuse me of something you are doing lol
I like how you guys brush over the fact Parody is legal, please tell us how this is wrong? Parody is Free Speech, no you can't directly copy someones words or work and call it your own, but you can change it a bit, make it into a joke and sell the hell out of it. That's how America works.
Did I point a finger at them? I asked your honest opinion after presenting the information I had available so if you all weren't aware you could make your own judgement.
Then you are just hilariously.. well.
In short.... No
Only if someone can prove that it was CIG who provided the artwork and that it was in fact stolen.
But then again... I hope to what ever deity fits that you knew that... Because the option is way to sad to be true.
Read my OP again where I say the creator stole the art. I never said Chris or Sandi provided it. Also read the links where they show the original deviantart pictures and DnD picture and how the creator just put other people's face on them.
Your post is rather hilarious though that you accuse me of something you are doing lol
but you did ask if they would get in trouble. A question five seconds with google would have told you the answer to.
So it is my hope that you either A: Was looking to stir shit up B: Wanted your shit stirred
because C: You simple did think that there could be any backlash at CIG is.... Sad.
it seems everyone is making this out to be about Derek Smart
Personally I couldn't find a single direct reference to his name in this entire thread.
Right and that means that people like Erillion aren't making the reference in some sort of passive aggressive bullshit way lol.
Yeah right because "everyone" is actually 1 person who didn't actually mention a name.
Sound reasoned argument indeed!
Alright I'll admit 1 person isnt everyone and that was me going overboard but to think he wasn't referencing Derek Smart you might as well as stick your fingers in your ears and go LALALALA!
I like how you guys brush over the fact Parody is legal, please tell us how this is wrong? Parody is Free Speech, no you can't directly copy someones words or work and call it your own, but you can change it a bit, make it into a joke and sell the hell out of it. That's how America works.
Really? So the creator taking down the artwork off his Facebook page and saying "he's dealing with it" gives you the feeling that this is parody and completely legal? I'm sure that's a normal reaction when called out for using someone else's art as your own.
I like how you guys brush over the fact Parody is legal, please tell us how this is wrong? Parody is Free Speech, no you can't directly copy someones words or work and call it your own, but you can change it a bit, make it into a joke and sell the hell out of it. That's how America works.
Just to use the Weird Al point, if you read up on Weird Al every song he has done he had to get permission to be able to do it. I can't remember the name but I do know there was at least one singer that said no to him. You can't take someone's work and redo it how you like without permission.
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DL is also working on the economy of Star Citizen which is based on the boardgame (CR said it in an interview somewhen 2015)
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13296-Meet-David-Ladyman
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
We know why you made this thread.
Please don't get all offended when the obvious happens.
Using your logic this very site should be brought to heel for any advertisement, recommendation, support or commentary on any game that has ever failed simply by association and I think it would be safe to assume everyone realises just how daft that is.
And yes if something shady does come up with Deliverance I will ask if people think they will be guilty by association. Notice I didn't say they were guilty but if people think they would be. You seem to think they are guilty though by all of this trying so very hard to say I am somehow blaming them.
From now on all persons even loosely related to CR will come under scrutiny and their actions will be projected on him.
And we we will have posts like this.
Have fun
You didn't mention the name of the artist who did the work.
You didn't mention Richard Garriott who is also a friend and also depicted.
Do not try and worm your way out of taking responsibility and owning up when you get caught.
Personally MMORPG should just close SC forums. Not because they say it isn't an MMO (I still read on RSI it is), but because if nothing bad (that is true) can be posted in it what is the purpose of it other than goody goody posts. That isn't what this site is about or ever has been. It was always about the MMO's we play and to debate them without attacking swearing and condescending people.
If MMORPG.com started to only allow good posts to be made in any games forums and not allowing both sides of the picture then they may as well close up. People will end up going to other forums (game sites) to get the clear pictures of there games.
The strange part is how the SC whiteknights are allowed to attack in just about every post they make when dealing with any thread they disagree with.
I personally would hate losing my favorite MMO site, been here for too long and there really is no other good one's like this one.
But we know what the come back would be to this post.
Attack!
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
If you fail to see the big TROLL letters written all over the OP's post then sorry, I don't care.
And as for this site only letting the nice threads onto the forums.....seriously wtf dude...all there is on the SC forums are you guys posting daily some spurious link, some insinuated wrong doing, some wild arsed assumption or flat out troll bait!
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
In short.... No
Only if someone can prove that it was CIG who provided the artwork and that it was in fact stolen.
But then again... I hope to what ever deity fits that you knew that... Because the option is way to sad to be true.
This have been a good conversation
This isn't even a project by CIG, they just promoted it because it's funny. If people are willing to spend their money to support a random guy, to make a parody game they should be able to do so.
Im not worming my way out of anything. I am laughing at the attacks in this thread alone for me posting something and saying I'm not attacking Sandi or Chris
Sound reasoned argument indeed!
Your post is rather hilarious though that you accuse me of something you are doing lol
So it is my hope that you either
A: Was looking to stir shit up
B: Wanted your shit stirred
because C: You simple did think that there could be any backlash at CIG is.... Sad.
This have been a good conversation
Just wanted to point that out!
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!