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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14839-Letter-From-The-Chairman There are people out there who are going to tell you that this is all a BADTHING. That it’s ‘feature creep’ and we should make a smaller, less impressive game for the sake of having it out more quickly or in order to meet artificial deadlines. Now I’ll answer those claims in one word: Bullshit!
Is ‘feature creep’ a worry? Sure… it’s always a worry, and we are well aware of it. However, building the game to the stretch goals embraced and endorsed by the community is not feature creep!
There are multiple problems with what he said today. First thing is that its a contradiction of what he said before. Second is that they should have planned for a smaller product years ago. Third is that they still add more ships that increases the scope with more features because that brings in money.
The only positive thing is that he finally managed to tell something that we knew all along.
Iselin: And the next person who says "but it's a business, they need to make money" can just go fuck yourself.
So the reason there is much heated debates about this company has to do with these "stretch goals". The problem lies in the 20 million mark. Look we have Roberts saying some of the later goals will not be featured. If you look at the actual goals after 20 million you really don't see much because there isn't that much. So if Roberts is a normal person then later goals would be somewhere around the 40 million mark and we should expect everything from 1-40 million to be in the game. I really don't think they will have all of the 20 million stuff because that really is 90% of the game right there. The rest consists of 10% and is not much more then tuning and ships. The fact that Roberts is claiming that he will deliver everything but the later goals is actually a very good thing. Unless like I said he has some strange definition of what later goals are. Which when dealing with this company you will see a lot of strange things like that.
seriously, this is NOT news. They always rambled about some stretch goals being post release, most prominent example: Pets and cockpit deco.
again, this is not news. Bad research is bad.
Wrong.
This came straight out of 10 For the Chairman that was released yesterday and the topic was brought up by "The Chairman" himself.
There is no judgment in the article, simply a recitation of fact and a provided link to a discussion of the potential, if any, ramifications his statements may have.
So the reason there is much heated debates about this company has to do with these "stretch goals". The problem lies in the 20 million mark. Look we have Roberts saying some of the later goals will not be featured. If you look at the actual goals after 20 million you really don't see much because there isn't that much. So if Roberts is a normal person then later goals would be somewhere around the 40 million mark and we should expect everything from 1-40 million to be in the game. I really don't think they will have all of the 20 million stuff because that really is 90% of the game right there. The rest consists of 10% and is not much more then tuning and ships. The fact that Roberts is claiming that he will deliver everything but the later goals is actually a very good thing. Unless like I said he has some strange definition of what later goals are. Which when dealing with this company you will see a lot of strange things like that.
I see a lot of this in SC and I think it is unique to SC-fans. Fans write things and they truly believe it to be true. Even though CIG hasn't said a word about it. e.g. Where did the '20 million' dollar come from? It certainly wasn't in the video so why say it as if it was true?
It just looks strange from an outsider's point of view.
So the reason there is much heated debates about this company has to do with these "stretch goals". The problem lies in the 20 million mark. Look we have Roberts saying some of the later goals will not be featured. If you look at the actual goals after 20 million you really don't see much because there isn't that much. So if Roberts is a normal person then later goals would be somewhere around the 40 million mark and we should expect everything from 1-40 million to be in the game. I really don't think they will have all of the 20 million stuff because that really is 90% of the game right there. The rest consists of 10% and is not much more then tuning and ships. The fact that Roberts is claiming that he will deliver everything but the later goals is actually a very good thing. Unless like I said he has some strange definition of what later goals are. Which when dealing with this company you will see a lot of strange things like that.
I see a lot of this in SC and I think it is unique to SC-fans. Fans write things and they truly believe it to be true. Even though CIG hasn't said a word about it. e.g. Where did the '20 million' dollar come from? It certainly wasn't in the video so why say it as if it was true?
It just looks strange from an outsider's point of view.
I'll elaborate a bit. When you go back to history on CIG website and read all the things they are talking about getting in the game. The 20 million mark was a place where they could publish the game without any outside help. That game up to that mark is exactly what everyone is expecting Star Citizen to be. If you read all the stretch goals after that 20 million mark you see not many features added to the game. So if they delivered the game at the 20 million promise then the fans will be quite happy because it consists of about 90% of the actual game itself. You can't find anyone who shows something significant for the SC game that takes place after the 20 million mark. And some of the stretch goals like alien languages and pets was actually in the 20 million scope and listed as a feature for the core game.
I'll elaborate a bit. When you go back to history on CIG website and read all the things they are talking about getting in the game. The 20 million mark was a place where they could publish the game without any outside help. That game up to that mark is exactly what everyone is expecting Star Citizen to be. If you read all the stretch goals after that 20 million mark you see not many features added to the game. So if they delivered the game at the 20 million promise then the fans will be quite happy because it consists of about 90% of the actual game itself. You can't find anyone who shows something significant for the SC game that takes place after the 20 million mark. And some of the stretch goals like alien languages and pets was actually in the 20 million scope and listed as a feature for the core game.
No elaboration is necessary. Your words don't mean anything as CIG hasn't said them. You can believe what you want. But from the outside perspective, it is a fan trying to say 'This is what CIG will do!'. Normally, people look at that and go 'lol' and move on.
Makes me laugh so hard. I know ppl who have invested THOUSANDS in the game despite all the set backs and wishy washy bull crap CR has been feeding everyone. And now a goal set at releasing the minimum possible at "a later date" and then releasing the rest at "a series of later later dates" . This guy has a bridge to sell you too, and if your an Eskimo he's got a great deal on ice cubes.
I'll elaborate a bit. When you go back to history on CIG website and read all the things they are talking about getting in the game. The 20 million mark was a place where they could publish the game without any outside help. That game up to that mark is exactly what everyone is expecting Star Citizen to be. If you read all the stretch goals after that 20 million mark you see not many features added to the game. So if they delivered the game at the 20 million promise then the fans will be quite happy because it consists of about 90% of the actual game itself. You can't find anyone who shows something significant for the SC game that takes place after the 20 million mark. And some of the stretch goals like alien languages and pets was actually in the 20 million scope and listed as a feature for the core game.
No elaboration is necessary. Your words don't mean anything as CIG hasn't said them. You can believe what you want. But from the outside perspective, it is a fan trying to say 'This is what CIG will do!'. Normally, people look at that and go 'lol' and move on.
They did say it. Which is why I'm sorry i thought you really wanted to know where i got my information. Its right there on their website under the stretch goals and history of the project. I'm not making stuff up im relaying their own statements. So you can lol all you want but you are really laughing at CIG. Just like CIG really said the newer goals will not be in the game. Which anyone with half a brain will think that means the ones after the half way mark otherwise they wouldn't be considered newer or later.
What I'm seeing here are people falling over themselves, claiming "SEE THEY LIED TO US" - when this is old news - and something that's been repeated over and over again.
Ironically, if this WAS actually NEW - it would simply mean CIG is doing exactly what all the whiners have asked them to do for such a long time.
Instead of being happy about that, they'd rather be petty about it.
I wonder why people weren't pissed all the other times this has been made clear by CIG.
I wonder how you can continue to blindly defend a game development that has gone grossly over budget, and gone way past its initially projected launch date with no clear end in sight.
seriously, this is NOT news. They always rambled about some stretch goals being post release, most prominent example: Pets and cockpit deco.
again, this is not news. Bad research is bad.
Wrong.
This came straight out of 10 For the Chairman that was released yesterday and the topic was brought up by "The Chairman" himself.
There is no judgment in the article, simply a recitation of fact and a provided link to a discussion of the potential, if any, ramifications his statements may have.
It is absolutely and decidedly newsworthy.
Suzie feeling the whip of the white knights... Sorry, I'm not mocking you I just find it hilarious how you get on their bad site just by posting news.
Maybe we are at a point where not even the fans like what CR has to say...
I wonder why people weren't pissed all the other times this has been made clear by CIG.
I wonder how you can continue to blindly defend a game development that has gone grossly over budget, and gone way past its initially projected launch date with no clear end in sight.
What game would that be?
I know of no such game that I'm "defending".
I do know of a game that was expanded from its original scope according to the wishes of the backers - and whose budget is constantly growing based on increasing support from the backers.
Going OVER budget means you're spending money that's not actually within the budget.
You really need to understand the fundamentals before you start making serious accusations. Well, I think so.
It is new news. It just happened. Roberts said it. The game will not be feature complete at release and they will need continued support to complete it at some unspecified future time. Where has all the money gone??
....is kind of deceitful when every time he goes on camera he says that everything will be possible if we continue "supporting" CIG.
I like it. CR - "Yes we know we advertised that stretch goal at $68 million and that you funded us past that but if you want to see that stretch goal in the game post-release we need you to keep supporting us...Here are some new ships you can buy to ensure that happens!"
Yep! Pretty much they're not keeping their promises yet want you to continue to fund them. Derek Smart right again I guess.
seriously, this is NOT news. They always rambled about some stretch goals being post release, most prominent example: Pets and cockpit deco.
again, this is not news. Bad research is bad.
Wrong.
This came straight out of 10 For the Chairman that was released yesterday and the topic was brought up by "The Chairman" himself.
There is no judgment in the article, simply a recitation of fact and a provided link to a discussion of the potential, if any, ramifications his statements may have.
It is absolutely and decidedly newsworthy.
Suzie feeling the whip of the white knights... Sorry, I'm not mocking you I just find it hilarious how you get on their bad site just by posting news.
Maybe we are at a point where not even the fans like what CR has to say...
What bad side?
The reason it's not news - is that it's not new information.
It was merely pointed out that it's not news and represents bad research, because it's just repeating old news.
It's hardly rocket science.
That said, it's obvious that it's news to a lot of ignorant people desperate to point fingers at something they don't have a clue about.
seriously, this is NOT news. They always rambled about some stretch goals being post release, most prominent example: Pets and cockpit deco.
again, this is not news. Bad research is bad.
Wrong.
This came straight out of 10 For the Chairman that was released yesterday and the topic was brought up by "The Chairman" himself.
There is no judgment in the article, simply a recitation of fact and a provided link to a discussion of the potential, if any, ramifications his statements may have.
It is absolutely and decidedly newsworthy.
It's definitely news worthy, just like all the other topics that get locked because the fanboys troll them.
I believe he's saying 2013 called and wants their news back because people have been screaming that this was gonna happen for a long time! Maybe now mmorpg.com will start reporting on the other more controversial topics surrounding this game now.
seriously, this is NOT news. They always rambled about some stretch goals being post release, most prominent example: Pets and cockpit deco.
again, this is not news. Bad research is bad.
Wrong.
This came straight out of 10 For the Chairman that was released yesterday and the topic was brought up by "The Chairman" himself.
There is no judgment in the article, simply a recitation of fact and a provided link to a discussion of the potential, if any, ramifications his statements may have.
It is absolutely and decidedly newsworthy.
Suzie feeling the whip of the white knights... Sorry, I'm not mocking you I just find it hilarious how you get on their bad site just by posting news.
Maybe we are at a point where not even the fans like what CR has to say...
What bad side?
The reason it's not news - is that it's not new information.
It was merely pointed out that it's not news and represents bad research, because it's just repeating old news.
It's hardly rocket science.
That said, it's obvious that it's news to a lot of ignorant people desperate to point fingers at something they don't have a clue about.
So maybe it's news to some.
Yes we are completely ignorant because we consider it normal when the maker of a game announces something, that mmorpg.com will pick it up and present it here.
I know - we are suffering from a heavy reality loss.
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How about "essential features complete?" maybe "fun features delivered?" Even "some good stuff done" sounds better.
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
There are people out there who are going to tell you that this is all a BADTHING. That it’s ‘feature creep’ and we should make a smaller, less impressive game for the sake of having it out more quickly or in order to meet artificial deadlines. Now I’ll answer those claims in one word: Bullshit!
Is ‘feature creep’ a worry? Sure… it’s always a worry, and we are well aware of it. However, building the game to the stretch goals embraced and endorsed by the community is not feature creep!
There are multiple problems with what he said today. First thing is that its a contradiction of what he said before. Second is that they should have planned for a smaller product years ago. Third is that they still add more ships that increases the scope with more features because that brings in money.
The only positive thing is that he finally managed to tell something that we knew all along.
This came straight out of 10 For the Chairman that was released yesterday and the topic was brought up by "The Chairman" himself.
There is no judgment in the article, simply a recitation of fact and a provided link to a discussion of the potential, if any, ramifications his statements may have.
It is absolutely and decidedly newsworthy.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Fans write things and they truly believe it to be true. Even though CIG hasn't said a word about it.
e.g. Where did the '20 million' dollar come from? It certainly wasn't in the video so why say it as if it was true?
It just looks strange from an outsider's point of view.
Original - http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3748466&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=4551#post462019951 (paywall)
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-07-15-through-gritted-teeth-star-citizen-developer-gives-player-whopping-usd2500-refund
CIG is sued by Crytek
https://www.polygon.com/2017/12/14/16776300/crytek-star-citizen-lawsuit-cig-rsi
EX-Backer StreetRoller sues Chris Roberts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojx7VcbowYQ
You can believe what you want. But from the outside perspective, it is a fan trying to say 'This is what CIG will do!'. Normally, people look at that and go 'lol' and move on.
Original - http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3748466&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=4551#post462019951 (paywall)
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-07-15-through-gritted-teeth-star-citizen-developer-gives-player-whopping-usd2500-refund
CIG is sued by Crytek
https://www.polygon.com/2017/12/14/16776300/crytek-star-citizen-lawsuit-cig-rsi
EX-Backer StreetRoller sues Chris Roberts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojx7VcbowYQ
The skeptic/pessimist is, once again, the realist.
I feel really bad for all of the fools that bought into the hype and spent thousands years ago on ships they can't or won't even be able to use.
Oh wait, no I don't feel bad - ya'll got exactly what you deserved for supporting such an obvious scam.
Ironically, if this WAS actually NEW - it would simply mean CIG is doing exactly what all the whiners have asked them to do for such a long time.
Instead of being happy about that, they'd rather be petty about it.
Amazing
Sorry, I'm not mocking you I just find it hilarious how you get on their bad site just by posting news.
Maybe we are at a point where not even the fans like what CR has to say...
I know of no such game that I'm "defending".
I do know of a game that was expanded from its original scope according to the wishes of the backers - and whose budget is constantly growing based on increasing support from the backers.
Going OVER budget means you're spending money that's not actually within the budget.
You really need to understand the fundamentals before you start making serious accusations. Well, I think so.
What bad side?
The reason it's not news - is that it's not new information.
It was merely pointed out that it's not news and represents bad research, because it's just repeating old news.
It's hardly rocket science.
That said, it's obvious that it's news to a lot of ignorant people desperate to point fingers at something they don't have a clue about.
So maybe it's news to some.
I believe he's saying 2013 called and wants their news back because people have been screaming that this was gonna happen for a long time! Maybe now mmorpg.com will start reporting on the other more controversial topics surrounding this game now.
I know - we are suffering from a heavy reality loss.