Sean buddy you really need to pick up your game here. Microsoft is currently approaching a record stock price. It's kinda sad watching you fail on an epic scale with your little one man crusade against Microsoft.
what does Microsoft and its HUGE business model in the Enterprise Space have to do with if Zune will fail or not?
lets see if Tasslehoff35 can understand what I said without me having to break it down
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Sean buddy you really need to pick up your game here. Microsoft is currently approaching a record stock price. It's kinda sad watching you fail on an epic scale with your little one man crusade against Microsoft.
what does Microsoft and its HUGE business model in the Enterprise Space have to do with if Zune will fail or not?
lets see if Tasslehoff35 can understand what I said without me having to break it down
My comment was about your failed crusade it really shouldn't have been that hard for you to understand.
Sean buddy you really need to pick up your game here. Microsoft is currently approaching a record stock price. It's kinda sad watching you fail on an epic scale with your little one man crusade against Microsoft.
what does Microsoft and its HUGE business model in the Enterprise Space have to do with if Zune will fail or not?
lets see if Tasslehoff35 can understand what I said without me having to break it down
My comment was about your failed crusade it really shouldn't have been that hard for you to understand.
yeah you missed it
Microsofts success and outstanding share price has nothign to do with Zune failing.
I will try a second time to see if he picks up the correlation.
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Today's announcement essentially slams the door on Windows becoming a viable third smartphone ecosystem.
Microsoft sells its remaining smartphone business
According to a report from The Verge, Microsoft is selling its feature-phone business to a division of Chinese manufacturer Foxconn for $350 million.
The article fails to mention that MS bought Nokis for $7.9B 3 years ago and thus MS looses BIG-TIME on the acquisition of Nokia (only the hardware and a 3 year license for the name). More over, Nokia itself can use it's brand name again and will start making Android phones & tablets through a sold license...
Microsoft hasn't officially thrown in the towel on its Windows Phone OS. The company specifically mentioned it would continue to develop the operating system, and to support phones currently using the operating system which are manufactured by Microsoft and its hardware partners.
Yeah, I'd say the same, but if you as software developer BUY a hardware company to push your developed software and sell if off with a massive loss 3 years later, then in my book that developed software that YOU and ONLY YOU used is kinda dead
Today's announcement essentially slams the door on Windows becoming a viable third smartphone ecosystem.
Microsoft sells its remaining smartphone business
According to a report from The Verge, Microsoft is selling its feature-phone business to a division of Chinese manufacturer Foxconn for $350 million.
The article fails to mention that MS bought Nokis for $7.9B 3 years ago and thus MS looses BIG-TIME on the acquisition of Nokia (only the hardware and a 3 year license for the name). More over, Nokia itself can use it's brand name again and will start making Android phones & tablets through a sold license...
Microsoft hasn't officially thrown in the towel on its Windows Phone OS. The company specifically mentioned it would continue to develop the operating system, and to support phones currently using the operating system which are manufactured by Microsoft and its hardware partners.
Yeah, I'd say the same, but if you as software developer BUY a hardware company to push your developed software and sell if off with a massive loss 3 years later, then in my book that developed software that YOU and ONLY YOU used is kinda dead
yes
many during the time of the new CEO selection where saying they should cut their losses in mobile and....xbox although xbox is not a lose to be fair, just not doing great
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Microsoft hasn't officially thrown in the towel on its Windows Phone OS. The company specifically mentioned it would continue to develop the operating system, and to support phones currently using the operating system which are manufactured by Microsoft and its hardware partners.
It often surprises me how naive people are. Especially when they believe such press releases at face value.
What do you think Microsoft will say ?
"We are now abandoning windows phone that we sold to millions of people around the world two years ago. All their overpriced phones will now be useless"
And than prepare for biggest legal shitstorm when millions of people sue them.
No. Ofcourse nobody is that dumb.
Everyone knows that when they say they will continue support. What they really mean is : We will keep skeleton crew keeping the system functional until people stop using our phones. So that nobody will sue us.
You know the usual tones of my posts. I'm the last guy who buys into PR of shady companies.
But there is still a huge difference between giving support until a phone slowly dies out and shifting your focus to a new kind of phone - and the original (before it was changed) thread name of the op and his linked article which sounded more like this gentle fellow:
And yet Microsoft's tablet business, while not as big as android or apple, is still rolling right along, and in fact is building up steam. I think this is due to the fact that MS mobile OS on phones is just another locked down, user unfriendly one with far less apps available, while their tablets offer a full version of windows, which makes its very user friendly to people who actually have to get some fucking work done on one.
is it 'rolling along' kind of like how Steam Linux went from 198 to 1900 games but still is only about 1% of the market kinda 'rolling along'?
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My phone is a Nokia with Windows 8.1 on it. Other than being unable to proper play videos from Kissanime, I think it is a great unit. I don't game on it, I don't spend enough time away from home (other than work and church, where I can't use it anyway) to make that worthwhile. Because my wife has huge health problems, I prefer to game in the study which is in the room right next to where she is lying down.
As a phone, texting device, internet search device, GPS, email device, youtube viewer, and organizer, it works great. And Cortana is pretty funny! (If you ask her what she is wearing, she replies, "Oh, just something I picked up from engineering.") However, I suppose that that software in a Samsung or LG phone would be cool too. And I could probably play kissanime videos on those...
The world is going to the dogs, which is just how I planned it!
And yet Microsoft's tablet business, while not as big as android or apple, is still rolling right along, and in fact is building up steam. I think this is due to the fact that MS mobile OS on phones is just another locked down, user unfriendly one with far less apps available, while their tablets offer a full version of windows, which makes its very user friendly to people who actually have to get some fucking work done on one.
I've got a Surface 2 with an I5 processor that I bought a couple years ago, I love it. It's a full fledged PC.
The only downside is that there is an extreme rarity of apps for it for things like this https://3dr.com/app/
And yet Microsoft's tablet business, while not as big as android or apple, is still rolling right along, and in fact is building up steam. I think this is due to the fact that MS mobile OS on phones is just another locked down, user unfriendly one with far less apps available, while their tablets offer a full version of windows, which makes its very user friendly to people who actually have to get some fucking work done on one.
is it 'rolling along' kind of like how Steam Linux went from 198 to 1900 games but still is only about 1% of the market kinda 'rolling along'?
No, it has about 10% of the tablet OS market and is estimated to be double that before 2020.
And yet Microsoft's tablet business, while not as big as android or apple, is still rolling right along, and in fact is building up steam. I think this is due to the fact that MS mobile OS on phones is just another locked down, user unfriendly one with far less apps available, while their tablets offer a full version of windows, which makes its very user friendly to people who actually have to get some fucking work done on one.
is it 'rolling along' kind of like how Steam Linux went from 198 to 1900 games but still is only about 1% of the market kinda 'rolling along'?
No, it has about 10% of the tablet OS market and is estimated to be double that before 2020.
and that is a good thing.
although...(always an although no?):
1. Surface is really a hybrid not a 'true' tablet. not that it matters really 2. Tablet industry is falling like a rocket that lost all its fuel.
however, with those numbers you gave Surface could change that. lets watch and see. My money is on no
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They're not pulling out of the smartphone business at all. Their whole goal is to have a unified platform so that wouldn't even make sense. They're planning to do the same thing there they've done with tablets. All they did was sell their feature phone business.
Windows Phone isn't technically dead, but...
Microsoft hasn't officially thrown in the towel on its Windows Phone OS. The company specifically mentioned it would continue to develop the operating system, and to support phones currently using the operating system which are manufactured by Microsoft and its hardware partners.
However, the company continues to move away from former CEO Steve Ballmer's strategy of being a hardware and software firm like Apple. New CEO Satya Nadella has redefined the idea of "mobile-first" by working to profit from all mobile devices, not just the units his company manufactured.
Think whatever you want but the Surface Mobile is definitely coming out.
at least according to the artilce:
'Surface Phone or not, Microsoft is in the process of exiting the smartphone business.'
I think the point being Microsoft hardware mobile isnt going to be very large, not large enough (in my view) to put it in the slogon of Microsofts mission statement if one is going in the opposite direction of expansion.
aka. they also still sell kinect's
Their language is because they don't view them as "smart phones." They just look at them as mobile PC's. The Surface Mobile has 8GB of RAM....
microsoft sells kinect's but in their mission statement they do not say 'and kinects first'
how many of thise Surface mobile whatevers are people really going to buy? 1?
the core of the article is saying Microsoft as a HARDWARE MANUFACTURER in the vein of Apple, Steve Ballamers vision and even the desire of the new CEO isnt going to happen
Yes people will buy it. Why? Because MS is planning to get into the game ahead of time by basically releasing a mini-PC as a smart phone which is the future. They realize they were late to the game with tablets and smartphones and want to get ahead of the curve. Just like the Surface tablet they plan for it to be a slow burn and only early adopter techies will take the jump right away due to the initial price point. That was also true for smart phones themselves when they first came out.
Whether you care for their tablets or not they are reviewed well, steadily improving in market share, and offer an option at all price points. Is MS going to take over tablets and mobile? No probably not. Are they going to continue to have a solid potentially growing niche? Probably.
I don't think MS is viewing these as all separate ecosystems where it wants to dominate each one. They want a solid piece of each market that all cross over by using the Windows platform. They view smart phones/tablets/consoles/pc's as eventually becoming interchangeable and all that will matter is whether it has Windows or not. So their target market is all things that can run a Windows OS and then what total percentage of that do they hold.
I'm not particularly a fan of MS, but you took some click bait lines from that article and ran with them way too far. Despite regularly enjoying your posts it seems while you are sometimes on point about MS, like with UWP, other times you are totally off.
They're not pulling out of the smartphone business at all. Their whole goal is to have a unified platform so that wouldn't even make sense. They're planning to do the same thing there they've done with tablets. All they did was sell their feature phone business.
Windows Phone isn't technically dead, but...
Microsoft hasn't officially thrown in the towel on its Windows Phone OS. The company specifically mentioned it would continue to develop the operating system, and to support phones currently using the operating system which are manufactured by Microsoft and its hardware partners.
However, the company continues to move away from former CEO Steve Ballmer's strategy of being a hardware and software firm like Apple. New CEO Satya Nadella has redefined the idea of "mobile-first" by working to profit from all mobile devices, not just the units his company manufactured.
Think whatever you want but the Surface Mobile is definitely coming out.
at least according to the artilce:
'Surface Phone or not, Microsoft is in the process of exiting the smartphone business.'
I think the point being Microsoft hardware mobile isnt going to be very large, not large enough (in my view) to put it in the slogon of Microsofts mission statement if one is going in the opposite direction of expansion.
aka. they also still sell kinect's
Their language is because they don't view them as "smart phones." They just look at them as mobile PC's. The Surface Mobile has 8GB of RAM....
microsoft sells kinect's but in their mission statement they do not say 'and kinects first'
how many of thise Surface mobile whatevers are people really going to buy? 1?
the core of the article is saying Microsoft as a HARDWARE MANUFACTURER in the vein of Apple, Steve Ballamers vision and even the desire of the new CEO isnt going to happen
Yes people will buy it. Why? Because MS is planning to get into the game ahead of time by basically releasing a mini-PC as a smart phone which is the future. They realize they were late to the game with tablets and smartphones and want to get ahead of the curve. Just like the Surface tablet they plan for it to be a slow burn and only early adopter techies will take the jump right away due to the initial price point. That was also true for smart phones themselves when they first came out.
Whether you care for their tablets or not they are reviewed well, steadily improving in market share, and offer an option at all price points. Is MS going to take over tablets and mobile? No probably not. Are they going to continue to have a solid potentially growing niche? Probably.
I don't think MS is viewing these as all separate ecosystems where it wants to dominate each one. They want a solid piece of each market that all cross over by using the Windows platform. They view smart phones/tablets/consoles/pc's as eventually becoming interchangeable and all that will matter is whether it has Windows or not. So their target market is all things that can run a Windows OS and then what total percentage of that do they hold.
I'm not particularly a fan of MS, but you took some click bait lines from that article and ran with them way too far. Despite regularly enjoying your posts it seems while you are sometimes on point about MS, like with UWP, other times you are totally off.
maybe they can make the surface all cloud based. You know, all the apps such as word, excel, etc just in the cloud and not on the device!
how about that idea?
(careful a trap is being inserted here)
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This was actually a fantastic move by Microsoft - working on it's platform should be priority 1.
And that is exactly what they're doing. Creating a windows 10 ecosystem across all hardware profiles will be a tremendous success in the future.
No longer will they force users to utilize specific hardware, but once an ecosystem is built via UWP (which will be applicable for more than just games) we will likely see more enterprise focused handsets as well as general handsets for consumers.
MS is poised to be the top selling non-Apple tablet on the market in the coming years, with the Surface Pro 4 actually reviewing better than the iPad pro's easily.
Their content bridges that are in place will only breed better cross platform application development bringing more mobile apps to Windows - both via their Surface line, and any future devices that carry windows 10.
The most important part of any device is the software. Having "underpowered" hardware doesn't matter as long as it's intuitive and can cover everything you require it to do. Windows Phones failed due to having no real software to tap into -- no software ecosystem.
Their renewed focus on the software development is key to their success.
Windows 10 phone is by far the best smartphone I have ever owned, this is taken from a professional perspective with heavy work use. Sync'd and connected with all your projects through Windows 10.. apple has apple people, chrome isn't there yet.
I think it is pretty clear Windows mobile OS is alive and well, all that is going to change is that instead of Lumia there will be another member of the Surface line.
They jumped in at the wrong time and they're jumping out at the wrong time.
Tim Cook is no Steve Jobs and Samsung is fucking themselves over by trying to go as proprietary as Apple. This would be the best time to ramp up innovation and marketing, but for some reason Microsoft never goes full tilt with their introductions. The put products out and if they don't run away with their competitors, then they scream uncle and back out.
I owned three Samsungs until the S6 when they decided that we aren't allowed to open the phone anymore without breaking the warranty. Now I'm back with LG and extremely happy with my decision.
=D so many more Windows Phone users than I would expect based on proportions. I really like my Lumia 950XL. Could care less about app number as long as I have what I need and can open it in Continuum.
Continuum and their Win32 to UWP converter have been a huge development in the business sector. I think this is why you have more hardware partners with Windows Phone than before. Before you could count them on the hand of a carpenter. Microsoft, Blu, and HTC. Now a lot of PC hardware vendors see a potential phone platform. With a vendor like HP developing around Windows Mobile, it could be big in the business sector. Instead of just Microsoft pushing the OS, you will have a company like HP who has workstations setup in most businesses pushing the OS as well.
They are right to sell off their hardware businesses. It diverges from their core business and ostracizes their business partners. After Microsoft bought Lumia, it lost all its hardware partners. Selling the hardware to Foxconn is also a HUGE middle finger to Apple. Foxconn manufactured the iPhone, now they will be manufacturing their own phone probably including a Windows Mobile version.
MS was just a little bit late to the party. About 10 years too late.
Actually that's not true at all. Back in the days before the iPhone and Android and even before the Blackberry it was Palm and MS trying to market cell phone / PDAs. Which makes it that much worse since they had a head start and still couldn't become the dominant smart phone company.
Apple was just a lot smarter by using a different type of OS while MS has always been pushing the idea of shoehorning mini Windows into them. Same with their tablets.
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And yet Microsoft's tablet business, while not as big as android or apple, is still rolling right along, and in fact is building up steam. I think this is due to the fact that MS mobile OS on phones is just another locked down, user unfriendly one with far less apps available, while their tablets offer a full version of windows, which makes its very user friendly to people who actually have to get some fucking work done on one.
is it 'rolling along' kind of like how Steam Linux went from 198 to 1900 games but still is only about 1% of the market kinda 'rolling along'?
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You know, I miss the days when discussions on the web-sphere and otherwise were used to attain actual knowledge, and not just to puff one's own ego.
I dont recall those days ever existing honestly. Its just filled with kids who INSIST and will argue for days things like 'gaming is all about consoles' even while looking at a chart putting consoles on the bottom of the income eraners list and having it posted about a billion times.
then when they know they cant argue they just get personal, say that the conversation they have been particapting in is one that is derailed from the topic and will never under no condition at all EVER admit they are wrong and that someone else is right. Even when GDDR5 comes out nearly 1 day after them claiming its not coming out for a long time.
oh and if you EVER end up right about a prediction make it 1 day, 7 days, or even 1 year doesnt matter you will be labeled as a opportunist jerk for mentioning it.
If you want to be treated seriously you have to act like it, otherwise not so much.
I think the 'facts' here in this case is that MS spent Billions to get into the hardware phone business and they just sold all of it (hardware phone business) at a loss that is about 30% of the entire VR industry value. and they have been in phones longer than Google or Apple and yet....?
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I think if we keep seeing things like HP's X3, Windows will blow into the mobile computing market for a portable full blown PC.
I think windows is on the right track will a full solution for travel, mobile, cellular, and PC computing.
Here are some interesting data points about 'mobile' that is not 'smart phones'
1. Tablet sells are falling of a cliff. You find tons of articles on this. 2. Google Chromebook has now outsold (in units) Mac Books (http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/19/11711714/chromebooks-outsold-macs-us-idc-figures) 3. In the mobil(ish) space (meaning laptops as well) there is a lot of conversation about Cloud based + app based solutions to everything. That is exactly what a Chromebook is.
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No.. there is no "conversation" about cloud based app solutions in regards to chromebooks. Chromebooks are essentially non starters.. people buy them because they are cheap, but they are generally useless in any kind of enterprise or gaming or even educational situations. Most businesses and schools still request Microsoft software, which is why most schools have discount codes for such software
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lets see if Tasslehoff35 can understand what I said without me having to break it down
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Microsofts success and outstanding share price has nothign to do with Zune failing.
I will try a second time to see if he picks up the correlation.
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Yeah, I'd say the same, but if you as software developer BUY a hardware company to push your developed software and sell if off with a massive loss 3 years later, then in my book that developed software that YOU and ONLY YOU used is kinda dead
many during the time of the new CEO selection where saying they should cut their losses in mobile and....xbox although xbox is not a lose to be fair, just not doing great
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But there is still a huge difference between giving support until a phone slowly dies out and shifting your focus to a new kind of phone - and the original (before it was changed) thread name of the op and his linked article which sounded more like this gentle fellow:
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Please do not respond to me
As a phone, texting device, internet search device, GPS, email device, youtube viewer, and organizer, it works great. And Cortana is pretty funny! (If you ask her what she is wearing, she replies, "Oh, just something I picked up from engineering.") However, I suppose that that software in a Samsung or LG phone would be cool too. And I could probably play kissanime videos on those...
The world is going to the dogs, which is just how I planned it!
The only downside is that there is an extreme rarity of apps for it for things like this https://3dr.com/app/
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No, it has about 10% of the tablet OS market and is estimated to be double that before 2020.
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although...(always an although no?):
1. Surface is really a hybrid not a 'true' tablet. not that it matters really
2. Tablet industry is falling like a rocket that lost all its fuel.
however, with those numbers you gave Surface could change that. lets watch and see. My money is on no
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Whether you care for their tablets or not they are reviewed well, steadily improving in market share, and offer an option at all price points. Is MS going to take over tablets and mobile? No probably not. Are they going to continue to have a solid potentially growing niche? Probably.
I don't think MS is viewing these as all separate ecosystems where it wants to dominate each one. They want a solid piece of each market that all cross over by using the Windows platform. They view smart phones/tablets/consoles/pc's as eventually becoming interchangeable and all that will matter is whether it has Windows or not. So their target market is all things that can run a Windows OS and then what total percentage of that do they hold.
I'm not particularly a fan of MS, but you took some click bait lines from that article and ran with them way too far. Despite regularly enjoying your posts it seems while you are sometimes on point about MS, like with UWP, other times you are totally off.
Steam: Neph
how about that idea?
(careful a trap is being inserted here)
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Please do not respond to me
This was actually a fantastic move by Microsoft - working on it's platform should be priority 1.
And that is exactly what they're doing. Creating a windows 10 ecosystem across all hardware profiles will be a tremendous success in the future.
No longer will they force users to utilize specific hardware, but once an ecosystem is built via UWP (which will be applicable for more than just games) we will likely see more enterprise focused handsets as well as general handsets for consumers.
MS is poised to be the top selling non-Apple tablet on the market in the coming years, with the Surface Pro 4 actually reviewing better than the iPad pro's easily.
Their content bridges that are in place will only breed better cross platform application development bringing more mobile apps to Windows - both via their Surface line, and any future devices that carry windows 10.
The most important part of any device is the software. Having "underpowered" hardware doesn't matter as long as it's intuitive and can cover everything you require it to do. Windows Phones failed due to having no real software to tap into -- no software ecosystem.
Their renewed focus on the software development is key to their success.
I think it is pretty clear Windows mobile OS is alive and well, all that is going to change is that instead of Lumia there will be another member of the Surface line.
Tim Cook is no Steve Jobs and Samsung is fucking themselves over by trying to go as proprietary as Apple. This would be the best time to ramp up innovation and marketing, but for some reason Microsoft never goes full tilt with their introductions. The put products out and if they don't run away with their competitors, then they scream uncle and back out.
I owned three Samsungs until the S6 when they decided that we aren't allowed to open the phone anymore without breaking the warranty. Now I'm back with LG and extremely happy with my decision.
Continuum and their Win32 to UWP converter have been a huge development in the business sector. I think this is why you have more hardware partners with Windows Phone than before. Before you could count them on the hand of a carpenter. Microsoft, Blu, and HTC. Now a lot of PC hardware vendors see a potential phone platform.
With a vendor like HP developing around Windows Mobile, it could be big in the business sector. Instead of just Microsoft pushing the OS, you will have a company like HP who has workstations setup in most businesses pushing the OS as well.
They are right to sell off their hardware businesses. It diverges from their core business and ostracizes their business partners. After Microsoft bought Lumia, it lost all its hardware partners. Selling the hardware to Foxconn is also a HUGE middle finger to Apple. Foxconn manufactured the iPhone, now they will be manufacturing their own phone probably including a Windows Mobile version.
Apple was just a lot smarter by using a different type of OS while MS has always been pushing the idea of shoehorning mini Windows into them. Same with their tablets.
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then when they know they cant argue they just get personal, say that the conversation they have been particapting in is one that is derailed from the topic and will never under no condition at all EVER admit they are wrong and that someone else is right. Even when GDDR5 comes out nearly 1 day after them claiming its not coming out for a long time.
oh and if you EVER end up right about a prediction make it 1 day, 7 days, or even 1 year doesnt matter you will be labeled as a opportunist jerk for mentioning it.
If you want to be treated seriously you have to act like it, otherwise not so much.
I think the 'facts' here in this case is that MS spent Billions to get into the hardware phone business and they just sold all of it (hardware phone business) at a loss that is about 30% of the entire VR industry value. and they have been in phones longer than Google or Apple and yet....?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
I think windows is on the right track will a full solution for travel, mobile, cellular, and PC computing.
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
1. Tablet sells are falling of a cliff. You find tons of articles on this.
2. Google Chromebook has now outsold (in units) Mac Books (http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/19/11711714/chromebooks-outsold-macs-us-idc-figures)
3. In the mobil(ish) space (meaning laptops as well) there is a lot of conversation about Cloud based + app based solutions to everything. That is exactly what a Chromebook is.
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