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Microsoft as a hardware maker of phones like apple business is offically over

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  • AzmodeusAzmodeus Member UncommonPosts: 268
    Stop bickering all you fly by night experts jeeesh.
      OMG I am Ancient!
  • RamajamaRamajama Member UncommonPosts: 271
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    And yet Microsoft's tablet business, while not as big as android or apple, is still rolling right along, and in fact is building up steam. I think this is due to the fact that MS mobile OS on phones is just another locked down, user unfriendly one with far less apps available, while their tablets offer a full version of windows, which makes its very user friendly to people who actually have to get some fucking work done on one.
    is it 'rolling along' kind of like how Steam Linux went from 198 to 1900 games but still is only about 1% of the market kinda 'rolling along'?
    I

    You know, I miss the days when discussions on the web-sphere and otherwise were used to attain actual  knowledge, and not just to puff one's own ego. 
    I dont recall those days ever existing honestly. Its just filled with kids who INSIST and will argue for days things like 'gaming is all about consoles' even while looking at a chart putting consoles on the bottom of the income eraners list and having it posted about a billion times.

    then when they know they cant argue they just get personal, say that the conversation they have been particapting in is one that is derailed from the topic and will never under no condition at all EVER admit they are wrong and that someone else is right. Even when GDDR5 comes out nearly 1 day after them claiming its not coming out for a long time.

    oh and if you EVER end up right about a prediction make it 1 day, 7 days, or even 1 year doesnt matter you will be labeled as a opportunist jerk for mentioning it. 

    If you want to be treated seriously you have to act like it, otherwise not so much.

    I think the 'facts' here in this case is that MS spent Billions to get into the hardware phone business and they just sold all of it (hardware phone business) at a loss that is about 30% of the entire VR industry value. and they have been in phones longer than Google or Apple and yet....?
    Where do you get these numbers? How did stockmarkets react to these bombastic news? 
  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    SEANMCAD said:
    Thupli said:
    I think if we keep seeing things like HP's X3, Windows will blow into the mobile computing market for a portable full blown PC.

    I think windows is on the right track will a full solution for travel, mobile, cellular, and PC computing.  
    Here are some interesting data points about 'mobile' that is not 'smart phones'

    1. Tablet sells are falling of a cliff. You find tons of articles on this.
    2. Google Chromebook has now outsold (in units) Mac Books (http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/19/11711714/chromebooks-outsold-macs-us-idc-figures)
    3. In the mobil(ish) space (meaning laptops as well) there is a lot of conversation about Cloud based + app based solutions to everything. That is exactly what a Chromebook is.
    With products like this, there is always a point of saturation. A point where most people who want one, have one.

    Personally I wont be in the market for a new one until mine does not work anymore. 

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    Iselin said:
    laserit said:
    MS was just a little bit late to the party. About 10 years too late. 
    Actually that's not true at all. Back in the days before the iPhone and Android and even before the Blackberry it was Palm and MS trying to market cell phone / PDAs. Which makes it that much worse since they had a head start and still couldn't become the dominant smart phone company.

    Apple was just a lot smarter by using a different type of OS while MS has always been pushing the idea of shoehorning mini Windows into them. Same with their tablets.
    I was reading a very interesting story a couple years ago which was about Microsoft dabbling with all these technologies like touch screens and such but never really committed them selves with it. The article stated how they had the opportunity to have a big jump start on the tech but didn't take advantage.

    Wish I could remember who wrote it. It was a good read.

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member LegendaryPosts: 12,197
    laserit said:
    Iselin said:
    laserit said:
    MS was just a little bit late to the party. About 10 years too late. 
    Actually that's not true at all. Back in the days before the iPhone and Android and even before the Blackberry it was Palm and MS trying to market cell phone / PDAs. Which makes it that much worse since they had a head start and still couldn't become the dominant smart phone company.

    Apple was just a lot smarter by using a different type of OS while MS has always been pushing the idea of shoehorning mini Windows into them. Same with their tablets.
    I was reading a very interesting story a couple years ago which was about Microsoft dabbling with all these technologies like touch screens and such but never really committed them selves with it. The article stated how they had the opportunity to have a big jump start on the tech but didn't take advantage.

    Wish I could remember who wrote it. It was a good read.
    Windows actually had some of the first real smartphones.  The Treo lines ran a windows mobile OS that was similar to Windows XP, but again.. they had no real app support.  I used to push them around the mid 2000's. as a Blackberry contender.

    Ultimately it went similar to the most current generation of windows phones.  They released a few newer versions for a bit utilizing the same OS but didn't really back it with the support necessary for it to be successful.  You probably had a few hundred apps on it.

    Any operating system without decent software support is already pretty set to fail.  

    This is why, MS now has an architecture put in place to combine their software capabilities across hardware platforms.   In general, once this is in place to a degree even 1/3 the size of Androids they could potentially launch a surface phone and do quite well where competition is concerned.



  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    What is ironic is that not but about 3 years ago I was a MS fanbody and i would tell people (because I believed it) that soon MS would make a huge introduction into the phone business and its just a matter of waiting.

    yeah then xbox One with its focus on Sports helped me re-evaluate my positions and as a result end up seeing more clearly

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    laserit said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Thupli said:
    I think if we keep seeing things like HP's X3, Windows will blow into the mobile computing market for a portable full blown PC.

    I think windows is on the right track will a full solution for travel, mobile, cellular, and PC computing.  
    Here are some interesting data points about 'mobile' that is not 'smart phones'

    1. Tablet sells are falling of a cliff. You find tons of articles on this.
    2. Google Chromebook has now outsold (in units) Mac Books (http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/19/11711714/chromebooks-outsold-macs-us-idc-figures)
    3. In the mobil(ish) space (meaning laptops as well) there is a lot of conversation about Cloud based + app based solutions to everything. That is exactly what a Chromebook is.
    With products like this, there is always a point of saturation. A point where most people who want one, have one.

    Personally I wont be in the market for a new one until mine does not work anymore. 
    not following you.

    I understand point of saturation but I am not clear what device you are refering to, tablets? chromebooks?

    what I am suggesting in this post is what functionality, productivity or entertianment does a tablet (aka mobile) bring that is more compelling then other options? well I think the answer is revealed in the market place given that the tablet industry is falling like a rock.

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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    SEANMCAD said:
    laserit said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Thupli said:
    I think if we keep seeing things like HP's X3, Windows will blow into the mobile computing market for a portable full blown PC.

    I think windows is on the right track will a full solution for travel, mobile, cellular, and PC computing.  
    Here are some interesting data points about 'mobile' that is not 'smart phones'

    1. Tablet sells are falling of a cliff. You find tons of articles on this.
    2. Google Chromebook has now outsold (in units) Mac Books (http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/19/11711714/chromebooks-outsold-macs-us-idc-figures)
    3. In the mobil(ish) space (meaning laptops as well) there is a lot of conversation about Cloud based + app based solutions to everything. That is exactly what a Chromebook is.
    With products like this, there is always a point of saturation. A point where most people who want one, have one.

    Personally I wont be in the market for a new one until mine does not work anymore. 
    not following you.

    I understand point of saturation but I am not clear what device you are refering to, tablets? chromebooks?

    what I am suggesting in this post is what functionality, productivity or entertianment does a tablet (aka mobile) bring that is more compelling then other options? well I think the answer is revealed in the market place given that the tablet industry is falling like a rock.
    I'm talking tablets

    I use mine pretty much for viewing service manuals, web surfing and watching youtube and netflix when my location makes that a convenience.

    I don't foresee needing a more powerful tablet in the near future. 

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • ThupliThupli Member RarePosts: 1,318
    SEANMCAD said:
    Thupli said:
    I think if we keep seeing things like HP's X3, Windows will blow into the mobile computing market for a portable full blown PC.

    I think windows is on the right track will a full solution for travel, mobile, cellular, and PC computing.  
    Here are some interesting data points about 'mobile' that is not 'smart phones'

    1. Tablet sells are falling of a cliff. You find tons of articles on this.
    2. Google Chromebook has now outsold (in units) Mac Books (http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/19/11711714/chromebooks-outsold-macs-us-idc-figures)
    3. In the mobil(ish) space (meaning laptops as well) there is a lot of conversation about Cloud based + app based solutions to everything. That is exactly what a Chromebook is.
    1.  Tablets are saturated, nearly everyone has one, so sales are dropping.  No surprise.
    2&3.  Chromebooks are cheap.  I bought one as a second computer for the house instead of a tablet because I wanted a keyboard, it isnt because it is cloudbased.  

    The trick to make the market grow and get people to buy is to find or create a new market.  The X3 could very well do that, as it is offering an idea to the market that has not been capitalized on yet.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    edited May 2016
    laserit said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    laserit said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Thupli said:
    I think if we keep seeing things like HP's X3, Windows will blow into the mobile computing market for a portable full blown PC.

    I think windows is on the right track will a full solution for travel, mobile, cellular, and PC computing.  
    Here are some interesting data points about 'mobile' that is not 'smart phones'

    1. Tablet sells are falling of a cliff. You find tons of articles on this.
    2. Google Chromebook has now outsold (in units) Mac Books (http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/19/11711714/chromebooks-outsold-macs-us-idc-figures)
    3. In the mobil(ish) space (meaning laptops as well) there is a lot of conversation about Cloud based + app based solutions to everything. That is exactly what a Chromebook is.
    With products like this, there is always a point of saturation. A point where most people who want one, have one.

    Personally I wont be in the market for a new one until mine does not work anymore. 
    not following you.

    I understand point of saturation but I am not clear what device you are refering to, tablets? chromebooks?

    what I am suggesting in this post is what functionality, productivity or entertianment does a tablet (aka mobile) bring that is more compelling then other options? well I think the answer is revealed in the market place given that the tablet industry is falling like a rock.
    I'm talking tablets

    I use mine pretty much for viewing service manuals, web surfing and watching youtube and netflix when my location makes that a convenience.

    I don't foresee needing a more powerful tablet in the near future. 
    ah fair enough.

    I use my phone for all those needs. although I use my chromebook for youtube and movies.

    I think tablet sales are falling off a cliff because people already have a 5" phone for there mobile needs

    and just to illustrate, at work I dont know anyone who has a tablet but you should see the lunch room during lunch, literally everyone is sharing things they see on their phone while browsing around

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    edited May 2016
    Thupli said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Thupli said:
    I think if we keep seeing things like HP's X3, Windows will blow into the mobile computing market for a portable full blown PC.

    I think windows is on the right track will a full solution for travel, mobile, cellular, and PC computing.  
    Here are some interesting data points about 'mobile' that is not 'smart phones'

    1. Tablet sells are falling of a cliff. You find tons of articles on this.
    2. Google Chromebook has now outsold (in units) Mac Books (http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/19/11711714/chromebooks-outsold-macs-us-idc-figures)
    3. In the mobil(ish) space (meaning laptops as well) there is a lot of conversation about Cloud based + app based solutions to everything. That is exactly what a Chromebook is.
    1.  Tablets are saturated, nearly everyone has one, so sales are dropping.  No surprise.
    2&3.  Chromebooks are cheap.  I bought one as a second computer for the house instead of a tablet because I wanted a keyboard, it isnt because it is cloudbased.  

    The trick to make the market grow and get people to buy is to find or create a new market.  The X3 could very well do that, as it is offering an idea to the market that has not been capitalized on yet.
    1. I challenge number 1. Where I work I dont know anyone who has a tablet. nobody. however everyone has a phone and I can walk in the hall at any given moment and find someone browsing their phone and at lunch we all do it sharing with each others our Facebook finds...using a phone...not a tablet

    2. I returned a tablet after using it for about 2 hours of using it. I decided to stick with Chromebook so I got a newer version. The strong sales from Chromebook are coming for education market but still, its a friggin hella of a deal for the money

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Torval said:
    Thupli said:
    I think if we keep seeing things like HP's X3, Windows will blow into the mobile computing market for a portable full blown PC.

    I think windows is on the right track will a full solution for travel, mobile, cellular, and PC computing.  
    ... and support is excellent. ..
    you need support for a phone? does it often not work?

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  • ThupliThupli Member RarePosts: 1,318
    SEANMCAD said:
    Thupli said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Thupli said:
    I think if we keep seeing things like HP's X3, Windows will blow into the mobile computing market for a portable full blown PC.

    I think windows is on the right track will a full solution for travel, mobile, cellular, and PC computing.  
    Here are some interesting data points about 'mobile' that is not 'smart phones'

    1. Tablet sells are falling of a cliff. You find tons of articles on this.
    2. Google Chromebook has now outsold (in units) Mac Books (http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/19/11711714/chromebooks-outsold-macs-us-idc-figures)
    3. In the mobil(ish) space (meaning laptops as well) there is a lot of conversation about Cloud based + app based solutions to everything. That is exactly what a Chromebook is.
    1.  Tablets are saturated, nearly everyone has one, so sales are dropping.  No surprise.
    2&3.  Chromebooks are cheap.  I bought one as a second computer for the house instead of a tablet because I wanted a keyboard, it isnt because it is cloudbased.  

    The trick to make the market grow and get people to buy is to find or create a new market.  The X3 could very well do that, as it is offering an idea to the market that has not been capitalized on yet.
    1. I challenge number 1. Where I work I dont know anyone who has a tablet. nobody. however everyone has a phone and I can walk in the hall at any given moment and find someone browsing their phone and at lunch we all do it sharing with each others our Facebook finds...using a phone...not a tablet

    2. I returned a tablet after using it for about 2 hours of using it. I decided to stick with Chromebook so I got a newer version. The strong sales from Chromebook are coming for education market but still, its a friggin hella of a deal for the money
    1.  So people at your computing related work dont use tablets at work.  Likely they do at home or there spouses do.  Computer geeks like keyboards, no question about it.

    2.  It is a good deal, but they are limited in the programs they can run.  Word processing and web browsing?  yes, I like my Chromebook.  But the X3 type of a deal would crush this pathetic chromebook that I am currently using and fulfill all of my needs: phone, computer, OS, etc.
  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    SEANMCAD said:
    laserit said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    laserit said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Thupli said:
    I think if we keep seeing things like HP's X3, Windows will blow into the mobile computing market for a portable full blown PC.

    I think windows is on the right track will a full solution for travel, mobile, cellular, and PC computing.  
    Here are some interesting data points about 'mobile' that is not 'smart phones'

    1. Tablet sells are falling of a cliff. You find tons of articles on this.
    2. Google Chromebook has now outsold (in units) Mac Books (http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/19/11711714/chromebooks-outsold-macs-us-idc-figures)
    3. In the mobil(ish) space (meaning laptops as well) there is a lot of conversation about Cloud based + app based solutions to everything. That is exactly what a Chromebook is.
    With products like this, there is always a point of saturation. A point where most people who want one, have one.

    Personally I wont be in the market for a new one until mine does not work anymore. 
    not following you.

    I understand point of saturation but I am not clear what device you are refering to, tablets? chromebooks?

    what I am suggesting in this post is what functionality, productivity or entertianment does a tablet (aka mobile) bring that is more compelling then other options? well I think the answer is revealed in the market place given that the tablet industry is falling like a rock.
    I'm talking tablets

    I use mine pretty much for viewing service manuals, web surfing and watching youtube and netflix when my location makes that a convenience.

    I don't foresee needing a more powerful tablet in the near future. 
    ah fair enough.

    I use my phone for all those needs. although I use my chromebook for youtube and movies.

    I think tablet sales are falling off a cliff because people already have a 5" phone for there mobile needs

    and just to illustrate, at work I dont know anyone who has a tablet but you should see the lunch room during lunch, literally everyone is sharing things they see on their phone while browsing around
    Tablets are wonderful devices, they're the write tool for the right job. I don't carry mine around with me, sometime I grab mine, go lounge in the hot tub and grab a show from Netflix.

    Love it.

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    edited May 2016
    SEANMCAD said:
    Thupli said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Thupli said:
    I think if we keep seeing things like HP's X3, Windows will blow into the mobile computing market for a portable full blown PC.

    I think windows is on the right track will a full solution for travel, mobile, cellular, and PC computing.  
    Here are some interesting data points about 'mobile' that is not 'smart phones'

    1. Tablet sells are falling of a cliff. You find tons of articles on this.
    2. Google Chromebook has now outsold (in units) Mac Books (http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/19/11711714/chromebooks-outsold-macs-us-idc-figures)
    3. In the mobil(ish) space (meaning laptops as well) there is a lot of conversation about Cloud based + app based solutions to everything. That is exactly what a Chromebook is.
    1.  Tablets are saturated, nearly everyone has one, so sales are dropping.  No surprise.
    2&3.  Chromebooks are cheap.  I bought one as a second computer for the house instead of a tablet because I wanted a keyboard, it isnt because it is cloudbased.  

    The trick to make the market grow and get people to buy is to find or create a new market.  The X3 could very well do that, as it is offering an idea to the market that has not been capitalized on yet.
    1. I challenge number 1. Where I work I dont know anyone who has a tablet. nobody. however everyone has a phone and I can walk in the hall at any given moment and find someone browsing their phone and at lunch we all do it sharing with each others our Facebook finds...using a phone...not a tablet

    2. I returned a tablet after using it for about 2 hours of using it. I decided to stick with Chromebook so I got a newer version. The strong sales from Chromebook are coming for education market but still, its a friggin hella of a deal for the money
    Working on a car or something, where your looking at diagrams and shit... I'd much rather use a tablet. Like I said in my previous post. It's the right tool for the right job.

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    laserit said:
    Tablets are wonderful devices, they're the write tool for the right job. I don't carry mine around with me, sometime I grab mine, go lounge in the hot tub and grab a show from Netflix.

    Love it.
    Same. For reading books and Netflix, the two things I use my iPad for the most, I find the full tablet size infinitely better than a phone.
     
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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    SEANMCAD said:
    Torval said:
    Thupli said:
    I think if we keep seeing things like HP's X3, Windows will blow into the mobile computing market for a portable full blown PC.

    I think windows is on the right track will a full solution for travel, mobile, cellular, and PC computing.  
    ... and support is excellent. ..
    you need support for a phone? does it often not work?
    My.... My.... What a thoughtful and intelligent comment Sean.

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    laserit said:

    1. I challenge number 1. Where I work I dont know anyone who has a tablet. nobody. however everyone has a phone and I can walk in the hall at any given moment and find someone browsing their phone and at lunch we all do it sharing with each others our Facebook finds...using a phone...not a tablet

    2. I returned a tablet after using it for about 2 hours of using it. I decided to stick with Chromebook so I got a newer version. The strong sales from Chromebook are coming for education market but still, its a friggin hella of a deal for the money
    Working on a car or something, where your looking at diagrams and shit... I'd much rather use a tablet. Like I said in my previous post. It's the right tool for the right job.
    fair enough

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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    Iselin said:
    laserit said:
    Tablets are wonderful devices, they're the write tool for the right job. I don't carry mine around with me, sometime I grab mine, go lounge in the hot tub and grab a show from Netflix.

    Love it.
    Same. For reading books and Netflix, the two things I use my iPad for the most, I find the full tablet size infinitely better than a phone.
     
    Especially at our age ;)

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    laserit said:
    Iselin said:
    laserit said:
    Tablets are wonderful devices, they're the write tool for the right job. I don't carry mine around with me, sometime I grab mine, go lounge in the hot tub and grab a show from Netflix.

    Love it.
    Same. For reading books and Netflix, the two things I use my iPad for the most, I find the full tablet size infinitely better than a phone.
     
    Especially at our age ;)
    well not to be argumentative on the subject of choice I just want to mention I typically use my Kindle for reading and not only because I can read it in daylight outside.

    Tablet is a bit between the laptop and phone universe so I would imagine most consumers reflect on that given their needs

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    SEANMCAD said:
    laserit said:
    Iselin said:
    laserit said:
    Tablets are wonderful devices, they're the write tool for the right job. I don't carry mine around with me, sometime I grab mine, go lounge in the hot tub and grab a show from Netflix.

    Love it.
    Same. For reading books and Netflix, the two things I use my iPad for the most, I find the full tablet size infinitely better than a phone.
     
    Especially at our age ;)
    well not to be argumentative on the subject of choice I just want to mention I typically use my Kindle for reading and not only because I can read it in daylight outside.

    Tablet is a bit between the laptop and phone universe so I would imagine most consumers reflect on that given their needs
    Yeah the Kindle has that advantage but nothing beats an LCD screen tablet for reading in the dark in bed. I even reverse it and use white text on a black screen. I much prefer it now and sold my Kindle shortly after I got my iPad years ago.
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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    edited May 2016
    Iselin said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    laserit said:
    Iselin said:
    laserit said:
    Tablets are wonderful devices, they're the write tool for the right job. I don't carry mine around with me, sometime I grab mine, go lounge in the hot tub and grab a show from Netflix.

    Love it.
    Same. For reading books and Netflix, the two things I use my iPad for the most, I find the full tablet size infinitely better than a phone.
     
    Especially at our age ;)
    well not to be argumentative on the subject of choice I just want to mention I typically use my Kindle for reading and not only because I can read it in daylight outside.

    Tablet is a bit between the laptop and phone universe so I would imagine most consumers reflect on that given their needs
    Yeah the Kindle has that advantage but nothing beats an LCD screen tablet for reading in the dark in bed. I even reverse it and use white text on a black screen. I much prefer it now and sold my Kindle shortly after I got my iPad years ago.
    which then circles back to 'what about a small laptop'.

    so back and forth it goes, tablet kind of in the center of the two options. I wonder why (or if) smart phone sales are not dropping but tablets are. There was an article on this subject but I didnt read the whole thing if people like I can find it

    my personal solution is Desktop for 'serious stuff', phone when I out mobile, chromebook for laying down. I tried the tablet solution for my needs but I didnt like it as much as a chromebook but to be fair I cant use my chromebook unless i have wifi

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  • ThupliThupli Member RarePosts: 1,318

    I am with you, wife uses our tablet, I lounge with chromebook, PC for big stuff.


    that said, I wish I got a tablet with win 10. Chromes' is is too limiting.

  • IncomparableIncomparable Member UncommonPosts: 1,138
    edited May 2016
    I think MS doesnt know how to make it easy for itself and began to lack the common sense to be successful.

    I introduce win 8 as the prime example. They go from setting a trend with the start button that becomes familiar to users hat even other OS's that try to make their OS more user friendly (ubuntu)  and copy win 7 (and the ones before with a start button) and have a start button.

    If MS offered good hardware that would not be enough. Really they had a huge advantage with with having a share of the operating systems market.

    All they had to do was copy the top trenders, such as Iphone, give their customers a lot of apps and games etc, but most importantly offer better integration from a windows phone to a windows system.

    I bet the reason why people did not want more integration was becuase they use their phones for all kinds of private things that integration was either a security problem in their view to the phone or the other systems such as a PC for the naughty things that they do with their phone. So if their research supported this as a problem they had to somehow convience their customers it was not an issue with the best free firewalls/anti virus, or a contract that reaffirms their privacy or some other publicty stunt.

    In the end I would rather have a phone that gives the most. I think a MS phone could have done that much more easily than a phone that uses a different OS. 

    I think the thing we missed out on was how the MS phone could have been a remote for the windows operating system or PC. That would be very useful to ahve.

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  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member LegendaryPosts: 12,197
    I think MS doesnt know how to make it easy for itself and began to lack the common sense to be successful.

    I introduce win 8 as the prime example. They go from setting a trend with the start button that becomes familiar to users hat even other OS's that try to make their OS more user friendly (ubuntu)  and copy win 7 (and the ones before with a start button) and have a start button.

    If MS offered good hardware that would not be enough. Really they had a huge advantage with with having a share of the operating systems market.

    All they had to do was copy the top trenders, such as Iphone, give their customers a lot of apps and games etc, but most importantly offer better integration from a windows phone to a windows system.

    I bet the reason why people did not want more integration was becuase they use their phones for all kinds of private things that integration was either a security problem in their view to the phone or the other systems such as a PC for the naughty things that they do with their phone. So if their research supported this as a problem they had to somehow convience their customers it was not an issue with the best free firewalls/anti virus, or a contract that reaffirms their privacy or some other publicty stunt.

    In the end I would rather have a phone that gives the most. I think a MS phone could have done that much more easily than a phone that uses a different OS. 

    I think the thing we missed out on was how the MS phone could have been a remote for the windows operating system or PC. That would be very useful to ahve.

    Even to this day Android doesn't have a fantastic E-mail sync with outlook like the old active sync used to be. 

    As I've been saying even from day 1 they've never had the app support they've needed, and they've run their mobile assets more like proprietary hardware like Apple does, making it tougher to get apps onto the systems, at least in its initial state.

    Now it's a tad too late for their last generation hardware cycle.. but going forward there's a lot they can still do, but working the software angle is key.



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