Approximately fifty shades. Both sides make gratuitous use of straw men and suffer the extremes of confirmation bias. The people so staunchly defending SC and attacking naysayers in this thread are no better than the so called "obsessive Star Citizen critics".
Well, those in favor of Star Citizen usually do not wish those who are against Star Citizen to die in a fire. Maybe thats the difference between interested backers and (some) obsessive Star Citizen critics ?
Have fun
I do have to agree with this, while I've seen some posters on the pro side using questionable means of debate, it's not nearly as common as it was to see it from the other side, especially a few months ago when they were here in force.
Those folks would spend half a thread talking back and forth trying to bait fans with all kinds of name calling, taunts, and other musings. Prior to that I used to give those posters some benefit of doubt, after those threads it was obvious they were just here to stir up trouble. Thankfully most are banned now.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Approximately fifty shades. Both sides make gratuitous use of straw men and suffer the extremes of confirmation bias. The people so staunchly defending SC and attacking naysayers in this thread are no better than the so called "obsessive Star Citizen critics".
Well, those in favor of Star Citizen usually do not wish those who are against Star Citizen to die in a fire. Maybe thats the difference between interested backers and (some) obsessive Star Citizen critics ?
Have fun
I have mostly stopped posting on the subject of SC here. So not wishing any pro SC guys to die in a fire, just reverted to letting them die in a fire of thier own choosing.
I only did read the last few posts, it is intressting to see how everyone react different to an open discussion. However an expression of debate contribute to feeding what ever statements are being trown in this page that are neutral opinions on how someone esle express himself after reading these posts.
That said, no one should be banned for an open discussion board that express himself from reading a post, as on the moment you read something it gives you a spark to react, simular to all the neutral posters.
However personally I would consider the neutral posts with judgement and feeding bumps in some context worse then that someone would react out of a sparking feeling.
Approximately fifty shades. Both sides make gratuitous use of straw men and suffer the extremes of confirmation bias. The people so staunchly defending SC and attacking naysayers in this thread are no better than the so called "obsessive Star Citizen critics".
Well, those in favor of Star Citizen usually do not wish those who are against Star Citizen to die in a fire. Maybe thats the difference between interested backers and (some) obsessive Star Citizen critics ?
Have fun
I do have to agree with this, while I've seen some posters on the pro side using questionable means of debate, it's not nearly as common as it was to see it from the other side, especially a few months ago when they were here in force.
Those folks would spend half a thread talking back and forth trying to bait fans with all kinds of name calling, taunts, and other musings. Prior to that I used to give those posters some benefit of doubt, after those threads it was obvious they were just here to stir up trouble. Thankfully most are banned now.
While I admit that the criticism of CIG/SC has been very strong, you'd have to be on the extreme end of that blind supporter scale to believe that the pro-CIG/SC crowd hasn't been just as fervent and nasty during their support of CIG/SC as those criticizing it. I mean, it's happening in this thread as we speak.
Let's just try and be a little objective here. I know that's hard to do when one is so staunchly defensive/supportive of their side thereby disallowing them to see things from an opposing point of view, but trust me when I tell you this has been a very contentious debate fueled by heated rhetoric coming from both sides. Unlike yourself, I am not one to gleefully rally around the thought of having posters banned for simply voicing a different point of view, but if it were the case, I'd be willing to bet that just as many CIG/SC supporters have experienced that same fate. There is no innocent party in this debate. Both sides have been guilty of the same behavior.
The 'Tall Poppy' is wearing lifts and perched on the top of a ladder.
How you could actually examine all the negative bits, and not be a little trepidatious is beyond me. The game as initially described was amazing. But there's no way that will ever be delivered. They've already nixed way too much.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
I do have to agree with this, while I've seen some posters on the pro side using questionable means of debate, it's not nearly as common as it was to see it from the other side, especially a few months ago when they were here in force.
Those folks would spend half a thread talking back and forth trying to bait fans with all kinds of name calling, taunts, and other musings. Prior to that I used to give those posters some benefit of doubt, after those threads it was obvious they were just here to stir up trouble. Thankfully most are banned now.
While I admit that the criticism of CIG/SC has been very strong, you'd have to be on the extreme end of that blind supporter scale to believe that the pro-CIG/SC crowd hasn't been just as fervent and nasty during their support of CIG/SC as those criticizing it. I mean, it's happening in this thread as we speak.
Let's just try and be a little objective here. I know that's hard to do when one is so staunchly defensive/supportive of their side thereby disallowing them to see things from an opposing point of view, but trust me when I tell you this has been a very contentious debate fueled by heated rhetoric coming from both sides. Unlike yourself, I am not one to gleefully rally around the thought of having posters banned for simply voicing a different point of view, but if it were the case, I'd be willing to bet that just as many CIG/SC supporters have experienced that same fate. There is no innocent party in this debate. Both sides have been guilty of the same behavior.
If I were talking about critique or the heated rhetoric, I would see your point. As I said in the first sentence, I've seen questionable actions from "fans" as well. However I've seen nothing from them like what I was referring to specifically above (aside from this thread of course)
All of that was from a very specific group of people who are pretty much all banned now. The problem wasn't their critique of CIG, the problem was how they carried themselves, as well as episodes where they would goad folks with infantile rhetoric. Threads where they'd talk back and forth in an attempt to bait folks like Ellrion and others with pointless name-calling or worse. They showed absolutely no tact, there's a huge difference between that, and typical fan vs non-fan heated debate...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I do have to agree with this, while I've seen some posters on the pro side using questionable means of debate, it's not nearly as common as it was to see it from the other side, especially a few months ago when they were here in force.
Those folks would spend half a thread talking back and forth trying to bait fans with all kinds of name calling, taunts, and other musings. Prior to that I used to give those posters some benefit of doubt, after those threads it was obvious they were just here to stir up trouble. Thankfully most are banned now.
While I admit that the criticism of CIG/SC has been very strong, you'd have to be on the extreme end of that blind supporter scale to believe that the pro-CIG/SC crowd hasn't been just as fervent and nasty during their support of CIG/SC as those criticizing it. I mean, it's happening in this thread as we speak.
Let's just try and be a little objective here. I know that's hard to do when one is so staunchly defensive/supportive of their side thereby disallowing them to see things from an opposing point of view, but trust me when I tell you this has been a very contentious debate fueled by heated rhetoric coming from both sides. Unlike yourself, I am not one to gleefully rally around the thought of having posters banned for simply voicing a different point of view, but if it were the case, I'd be willing to bet that just as many CIG/SC supporters have experienced that same fate. There is no innocent party in this debate. Both sides have been guilty of the same behavior.
If I were talking about critique or the heated rhetoric, I would see your point. As I said in the first sentence, I've seen questionable actions from "fans" as well. However I've seen nothing from them like what I was referring to specifically above (aside from this thread of course)
All of that was from a very specific group of people who are pretty much all banned now. The problem wasn't their critique of CIG, the problem was how they carried themselves, as well as episodes where they would goad folks with infantile rhetoric. Threads where they'd talk back and forth in an attempt to bait folks like Ellrion and others with pointless name-calling or worse. They showed absolutely no tact, there's a huge difference between that, and typical fan vs non-fan heated debate...
Oh, you mean something like creating a thread declaring anyone scrutinizing a game to be "tall poppy cutters".
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
I do have to agree with this, while I've seen some posters on the pro side using questionable means of debate, it's not nearly as common as it was to see it from the other side, especially a few months ago when they were here in force.
Those folks would spend half a thread talking back and forth trying to bait fans with all kinds of name calling, taunts, and other musings. Prior to that I used to give those posters some benefit of doubt, after those threads it was obvious they were just here to stir up trouble. Thankfully most are banned now.
While I admit that the criticism of CIG/SC has been very strong, you'd have to be on the extreme end of that blind supporter scale to believe that the pro-CIG/SC crowd hasn't been just as fervent and nasty during their support of CIG/SC as those criticizing it. I mean, it's happening in this thread as we speak.
Let's just try and be a little objective here. I know that's hard to do when one is so staunchly defensive/supportive of their side thereby disallowing them to see things from an opposing point of view, but trust me when I tell you this has been a very contentious debate fueled by heated rhetoric coming from both sides. Unlike yourself, I am not one to gleefully rally around the thought of having posters banned for simply voicing a different point of view, but if it were the case, I'd be willing to bet that just as many CIG/SC supporters have experienced that same fate. There is no innocent party in this debate. Both sides have been guilty of the same behavior.
If I were talking about critique or the heated rhetoric, I would see your point. As I said in the first sentence, I've seen questionable actions from "fans" as well. However I've seen nothing from them like what I was referring to specifically above (aside from this thread of course)
All of that was from a very specific group of people who are pretty much all banned now. The problem wasn't their critique of CIG, the problem was how they carried themselves, as well as episodes where they would goad folks with infantile rhetoric. Threads where they'd talk back and forth in an attempt to bait folks like Ellrion and others with pointless name-calling or worse. They showed absolutely no tact, there's a huge difference between that, and typical fan vs non-fan heated debate...
Oh, you mean something like creating a thread declaring anyone scrutinizing a game to be "tall poppy cutters".
I agree, the rather sanctimonious rhetoric in this thread is only to goad those critical of SC.
I do have to agree with this, while I've seen some posters on the pro side using questionable means of debate, it's not nearly as common as it was to see it from the other side, especially a few months ago when they were here in force.
Those folks would spend half a thread talking back and forth trying to bait fans with all kinds of name calling, taunts, and other musings. Prior to that I used to give those posters some benefit of doubt, after those threads it was obvious they were just here to stir up trouble. Thankfully most are banned now.
While I admit that the criticism of CIG/SC has been very strong, you'd have to be on the extreme end of that blind supporter scale to believe that the pro-CIG/SC crowd hasn't been just as fervent and nasty during their support of CIG/SC as those criticizing it. I mean, it's happening in this thread as we speak.
Let's just try and be a little objective here. I know that's hard to do when one is so staunchly defensive/supportive of their side thereby disallowing them to see things from an opposing point of view, but trust me when I tell you this has been a very contentious debate fueled by heated rhetoric coming from both sides. Unlike yourself, I am not one to gleefully rally around the thought of having posters banned for simply voicing a different point of view, but if it were the case, I'd be willing to bet that just as many CIG/SC supporters have experienced that same fate. There is no innocent party in this debate. Both sides have been guilty of the same behavior.
If I were talking about critique or the heated rhetoric, I would see your point. As I said in the first sentence, I've seen questionable actions from "fans" as well. However I've seen nothing from them like what I was referring to specifically above (aside from this thread of course)
All of that was from a very specific group of people who are pretty much all banned now. The problem wasn't their critique of CIG, the problem was how they carried themselves, as well as episodes where they would goad folks with infantile rhetoric. Threads where they'd talk back and forth in an attempt to bait folks like Ellrion and others with pointless name-calling or worse. They showed absolutely no tact, there's a huge difference between that, and typical fan vs non-fan heated debate...
Oh, you mean something like creating a thread declaring anyone scrutinizing a game to be "tall poppy cutters".
I don't think that's the case at all. You obviously don't understand what the term means.
I do have to agree with this, while I've seen some posters on the pro side using questionable means of debate, it's not nearly as common as it was to see it from the other side, especially a few months ago when they were here in force.
Those folks would spend half a thread talking back and forth trying to bait fans with all kinds of name calling, taunts, and other musings. Prior to that I used to give those posters some benefit of doubt, after those threads it was obvious they were just here to stir up trouble. Thankfully most are banned now.
While I admit that the criticism of CIG/SC has been very strong, you'd have to be on the extreme end of that blind supporter scale to believe that the pro-CIG/SC crowd hasn't been just as fervent and nasty during their support of CIG/SC as those criticizing it. I mean, it's happening in this thread as we speak.
Let's just try and be a little objective here. I know that's hard to do when one is so staunchly defensive/supportive of their side thereby disallowing them to see things from an opposing point of view, but trust me when I tell you this has been a very contentious debate fueled by heated rhetoric coming from both sides. Unlike yourself, I am not one to gleefully rally around the thought of having posters banned for simply voicing a different point of view, but if it were the case, I'd be willing to bet that just as many CIG/SC supporters have experienced that same fate. There is no innocent party in this debate. Both sides have been guilty of the same behavior.
If I were talking about critique or the heated rhetoric, I would see your point. As I said in the first sentence, I've seen questionable actions from "fans" as well. However I've seen nothing from them like what I was referring to specifically above (aside from this thread of course)
All of that was from a very specific group of people who are pretty much all banned now. The problem wasn't their critique of CIG, the problem was how they carried themselves, as well as episodes where they would goad folks with infantile rhetoric. Threads where they'd talk back and forth in an attempt to bait folks like Ellrion and others with pointless name-calling or worse. They showed absolutely no tact, there's a huge difference between that, and typical fan vs non-fan heated debate...
Oh, you mean something like creating a thread declaring anyone scrutinizing a game to be "tall poppy cutters".
Erhmm... Did you miss the last line of the first paragraph?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I do have to agree with this, while I've seen some posters on the pro side using questionable means of debate, it's not nearly as common as it was to see it from the other side, especially a few months ago when they were here in force.
Those folks would spend half a thread talking back and forth trying to bait fans with all kinds of name calling, taunts, and other musings. Prior to that I used to give those posters some benefit of doubt, after those threads it was obvious they were just here to stir up trouble. Thankfully most are banned now.
While I admit that the criticism of CIG/SC has been very strong, you'd have to be on the extreme end of that blind supporter scale to believe that the pro-CIG/SC crowd hasn't been just as fervent and nasty during their support of CIG/SC as those criticizing it. I mean, it's happening in this thread as we speak.
Let's just try and be a little objective here. I know that's hard to do when one is so staunchly defensive/supportive of their side thereby disallowing them to see things from an opposing point of view, but trust me when I tell you this has been a very contentious debate fueled by heated rhetoric coming from both sides. Unlike yourself, I am not one to gleefully rally around the thought of having posters banned for simply voicing a different point of view, but if it were the case, I'd be willing to bet that just as many CIG/SC supporters have experienced that same fate. There is no innocent party in this debate. Both sides have been guilty of the same behavior.
If I were talking about critique or the heated rhetoric, I would see your point. As I said in the first sentence, I've seen questionable actions from "fans" as well. However I've seen nothing from them like what I was referring to specifically above (aside from this thread of course)
All of that was from a very specific group of people who are pretty much all banned now. The problem wasn't their critique of CIG, the problem was how they carried themselves, as well as episodes where they would goad folks with infantile rhetoric. Threads where they'd talk back and forth in an attempt to bait folks like Ellrion and others with pointless name-calling or worse. They showed absolutely no tact, there's a huge difference between that, and typical fan vs non-fan heated debate...
Oh, you mean something like creating a thread declaring anyone scrutinizing a game to be "tall poppy cutters".
I don't think that's the case at all. You obviously don't understand what the term means.
No I've already looked it up previously, it's distinctly a pejorative term. Perhaps you don't however if you don't see how using it to refer to anyone that disagrees with something is ultimately a pretty blatant smear.
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
Oh, you mean something like creating a thread declaring anyone scrutinizing a game to be "tall poppy cutters".
I agree, the rather sanctimonious rhetoric in this thread is only to goad those critical of SC.
Did either of you even read the post? You only had to read the first paragraph (a rather short one at that) to see this line... "(aside from this thread of course)"
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Oh, you mean something like creating a thread declaring anyone scrutinizing a game to be "tall poppy cutters".
I agree, the rather sanctimonious rhetoric in this thread is only to goad those critical of SC.
Did either of you even read the post? You only had to read the first paragraph (a rather short one at that) to see this line... "(aside from this thread of course)"
Yes I did miss that part, so thank you for correcting me on that one.
However, I'm not particularly apt to say this is the only thread of it's kind. Seeing as the bickering has gone on for a good while, people on both sides polarized some time back and posts from either end are ultimately very derisive in their nature towards anything contrary.
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
Oh, you mean something like creating a thread declaring anyone scrutinizing a game to be "tall poppy cutters".
I agree, the rather sanctimonious rhetoric in this thread is only to goad those critical of SC.
Did either of you even read the post? You only had to read the first paragraph (a rather short one at that) to see this line... "(aside from this thread of course)"
Yes I did miss that part, so thank you for correcting me on that one.
However, I'm not particularly apt to say this is the only thread of it's kind. Seeing as the bickering has gone on for a good while, people on both sides polarized some time back and posts from either end are ultimately very derisive in their nature towards anything contrary.
There could have been more threads like this sure, I can only speak to what I've seen.
There's a reason those folks got banned, and it's not because they were harping on CIG. Nor was it because they were involved in those heated debates.. Many of us from all sides made it through those all fine and dandy. Because we don't do what I eluded to earlier, to put it as simply as possible, starting fights when there isn't one to be had.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I do have to agree with this, while I've seen some posters on the pro side using questionable means of debate, it's not nearly as common as it was to see it from the other side, especially a few months ago when they were here in force.
Those folks would spend half a thread talking back and forth trying to bait fans with all kinds of name calling, taunts, and other musings. Prior to that I used to give those posters some benefit of doubt, after those threads it was obvious they were just here to stir up trouble. Thankfully most are banned now.
While I admit that the criticism of CIG/SC has been very strong, you'd have to be on the extreme end of that blind supporter scale to believe that the pro-CIG/SC crowd hasn't been just as fervent and nasty during their support of CIG/SC as those criticizing it. I mean, it's happening in this thread as we speak.
Let's just try and be a little objective here. I know that's hard to do when one is so staunchly defensive/supportive of their side thereby disallowing them to see things from an opposing point of view, but trust me when I tell you this has been a very contentious debate fueled by heated rhetoric coming from both sides. Unlike yourself, I am not one to gleefully rally around the thought of having posters banned for simply voicing a different point of view, but if it were the case, I'd be willing to bet that just as many CIG/SC supporters have experienced that same fate. There is no innocent party in this debate. Both sides have been guilty of the same behavior.
If I were talking about critique or the heated rhetoric, I would see your point. As I said in the first sentence, I've seen questionable actions from "fans" as well. However I've seen nothing from them like what I was referring to specifically above (aside from this thread of course)
All of that was from a very specific group of people who are pretty much all banned now. The problem wasn't their critique of CIG, the problem was how they carried themselves, as well as episodes where they would goad folks with infantile rhetoric. Threads where they'd talk back and forth in an attempt to bait folks like Ellrion and others with pointless name-calling or worse. They showed absolutely no tact, there's a huge difference between that, and typical fan vs non-fan heated debate...
Oh, you mean something like creating a thread declaring anyone scrutinizing a game to be "tall poppy cutters".
I don't think that's the case at all. You obviously don't understand what the term means.
No I've already looked it up previously, it's distinctly a pejorative term. Perhaps you don't however if you don't see how using it to refer to anyone that disagrees with something is ultimately a pretty blatant smear.
I agree with regards to the use of the term. I can't really feel sorry for those who take offense to it, though, since "White Knight" and "fanboy" (or the fun "fanboi" version) are rooted in the same desecrated land. I understand that two wrongs don't make a right, but it definitely is interesting that people seem to have taken so much offense to the term, considering the other terms used to describe those on the other side of the fence, which are no less derogatory.
I think the problem with this thread, as I said earlier, is the sanctimonious tone, and the hypocrisy of attempting to occupy some moral high ground, when both sides are guilty of the same logical fallacies.
The very use of the phrase "tall poppy syndrome" is an ad hominem that attacks the motives of the speaker rather than responding to the argument.
Oh, you mean something like creating a thread declaring anyone scrutinizing a game to be "tall poppy cutters".
I agree, the rather sanctimonious rhetoric in this thread is only to goad those critical of SC.
Did either of you even read the post? You only had to read the first paragraph (a rather short one at that) to see this line... "(aside from this thread of course)"
Yes I did miss that part, so thank you for correcting me on that one.
However, I'm not particularly apt to say this is the only thread of it's kind. Seeing as the bickering has gone on for a good while, people on both sides polarized some time back and posts from either end are ultimately very derisive in their nature towards anything contrary.
There could have been more threads like this sure, I can only speak to what I've seen.
There's a reason those folks got banned, and it's not because they were harping on CIG. Nor was it because they were involved in those heated debates.. Many of us from all sides made it through those all fine and dandy. Because we don't do what I eluded to earlier, to put it as simply as possible, starting fights when there isn't one to be had.
I think the problem with this thread, as I said earlier, is the sanctimonious tone, and the hypocrisy of attempting to occupy some moral high ground, when both sides are guilty of the same logical fallacies.
The very use of the phrase "tall poppy syndrome" is an ad hominem that attacks the motives of the speaker rather than responding to the argument.
Did you watch the video? How can you say the mention of tall poppy syndrome is an ad hominem? It, actually, directly attacks the position of those who have taken it upon themselves to continuously beat down, dig up, drag out, and call out anyone who may express interest or excitement for the game. That's quite the opposite of ad hominem.
Not sure why you feel like it's directed at a person and not those who occupy this position, specifically. What gave you that impression from the video? Maybe I missed it.
The movie is directed to a wide range of critics no only of Star Citizen but in general, every game that tries something new has them, it's a people's problem, not the games imo. The movie is really a good eye-opener for casual game fans that might stumble into amazing controversy's petty issues, about "nothings" really easily and make people understand what's going on.
You miss the point. The point is that there are completely valid points, but that they are rarely argued, instead people opting for obscure and outlandish theories, coffee machines, and doors.
Secondly, it's quite possible that CIG is the only company, now and in history, who is privately owned and yet has people marching on their lawn with pitchforks demanding accountability and transparency. That's a pretty lofty assumption, I know, but I can literally not think of a single instance past or present where a company has received so much information. Here's what it boils down to. When a door becomes a major concern of those who are "concerned" about the project, why in the world would you open your books? I applaud them. Murca doesn't give in to terrorist demands!
Honestly? It's about as logical as someone asking you to provide a detailed log of your purchases. Actually, that's not bad. If a bank asked me to provide them with a detailed log of all of my purchases before giving me a loan, I'd probably tell them to sod off. Why should a private company have any similar responsibility. On top of that, it isn't even their community at large who has a problem, so they are, effectively, being accountable to their customers (the ones who aren't asking for that information and would rather them tell those people requesting it to shove it up their asses). So roger than on the accountability.
... And that bank would tell you to take a hike and not give you that loan.
There has never been another gaming company who has reached the lofty pledge dollars that CIG has reached. No one was raising pitches and forks until the funds pledged where reaching the 100,000 mark with nothing to show for it. And yet they continued releasing more and more ship art asking for more and more money.
What I want to know is what is wrong with asking for a bit "transparency and accountability" for people who had provided CIG with often times tens of thousands of dollars to realize their vision? No one is saying that CIG has to be accountable, it was a request for them to do so. The real puzzle here is why anyone would be against such a request. Where is the need for the defenders of CIG in this incident to shield them from having to provide a bit of "transparency and accountability?" Accountability and transparency isn't a bad thing. This is something that should be afforded to anyone who has come out of their pocked and given to realize a dream project. If there is nothing wrong, where is the harm in providing such transparency and accountability. More importantly, why would a company refuse to provided such transparency and accountability if everything is legit and "above board?"
We all recognize that they don't have to do anything. The concern is why would they refuse to do so in the first place. I'll answer that ... because where there is smoke, there is usually fire.
There has never been another gaming company who has reached the lofty pledge dollars that CIG has reached because they never tried or failed. Fixed that for you.
As far as for asking for a bit of "transparency and accountability" from a private company is ludicrous.
When people parted with their money there was never anything stated about providing accountability (financials) to anyone who backed. Especially when it is demanded by some inept developer, with a ax to grind, because another developer makes better games then he is capable of accomplishing. Jealousy, is a powerful thing. It was also never in the TOS or stated anywhere, nor should they have too.
The only thing they need to provide is the two games and the ships that were pledged for, nothing more, nothing less and show progress along the way.
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Those folks would spend half a thread talking back and forth trying to bait fans with all kinds of name calling, taunts, and other musings. Prior to that I used to give those posters some benefit of doubt, after those threads it was obvious they were just here to stir up trouble. Thankfully most are banned now.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
It's pretty much the last game with enough anticipation/hype to drive a serious fanboy v. hater war.
That you have one already going now, for a game this early in release cycle; that's a GOOD thing, bodes well for the future interest in the title.
Or maybe it's just the inevitable result of Kickstarter? I dunno.
So, whatever...
However an expression of debate contribute to feeding what ever statements are being trown in this page that are neutral opinions on how someone esle express himself after reading these posts.
That said, no one should be banned for an open discussion board that express himself from reading a post, as on the moment you read something it gives you a spark to react, simular to all the neutral posters.
However personally I would consider the neutral posts with judgement and feeding bumps in some context worse then that someone would react out of a sparking feeling.
While I admit that the criticism of CIG/SC has been very strong, you'd have to be on the extreme end of that blind supporter scale to believe that the pro-CIG/SC crowd hasn't been just as fervent and nasty during their support of CIG/SC as those criticizing it. I mean, it's happening in this thread as we speak.
Let's just try and be a little objective here. I know that's hard to do when one is so staunchly defensive/supportive of their side thereby disallowing them to see things from an opposing point of view, but trust me when I tell you this has been a very contentious debate fueled by heated rhetoric coming from both sides. Unlike yourself, I am not one to gleefully rally around the thought of having posters banned for simply voicing a different point of view, but if it were the case, I'd be willing to bet that just as many CIG/SC supporters have experienced that same fate. There is no innocent party in this debate. Both sides have been guilty of the same behavior.
The 'Tall Poppy' is wearing lifts and perched on the top of a ladder.
How you could actually examine all the negative bits, and not be a little trepidatious is beyond me. The game as initially described was amazing. But there's no way that will ever be delivered. They've already nixed way too much.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Have fun
All of that was from a very specific group of people who are pretty much all banned now. The problem wasn't their critique of CIG, the problem was how they carried themselves, as well as episodes where they would goad folks with infantile rhetoric. Threads where they'd talk back and forth in an attempt to bait folks like Ellrion and others with pointless name-calling or worse. They showed absolutely no tact, there's a huge difference between that, and typical fan vs non-fan heated debate...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
I don't think that's the case at all. You obviously don't understand what the term means.
Crazkanuk
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For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
However, I'm not particularly apt to say this is the only thread of it's kind. Seeing as the bickering has gone on for a good while, people on both sides polarized some time back and posts from either end are ultimately very derisive in their nature towards anything contrary.
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
There's a reason those folks got banned, and it's not because they were harping on CIG. Nor was it because they were involved in those heated debates.. Many of us from all sides made it through those all fine and dandy. Because we don't do what I eluded to earlier, to put it as simply as possible, starting fights when there isn't one to be had.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I agree with regards to the use of the term. I can't really feel sorry for those who take offense to it, though, since "White Knight" and "fanboy" (or the fun "fanboi" version) are rooted in the same desecrated land. I understand that two wrongs don't make a right, but it definitely is interesting that people seem to have taken so much offense to the term, considering the other terms used to describe those on the other side of the fence, which are no less derogatory.
Crazkanuk
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Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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nah, cant decide ....tough call ....
Have fun
The very use of the phrase "tall poppy syndrome" is an ad hominem that attacks the motives of the speaker rather than responding to the argument.
Did you watch the video? How can you say the mention of tall poppy syndrome is an ad hominem? It, actually, directly attacks the position of those who have taken it upon themselves to continuously beat down, dig up, drag out, and call out anyone who may express interest or excitement for the game. That's quite the opposite of ad hominem.
Not sure why you feel like it's directed at a person and not those who occupy this position, specifically. What gave you that impression from the video? Maybe I missed it.
Crazkanuk
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Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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