Unfortunately that's how it is on these forums. The mods are biased fambois and allow clowns like we have here in this thread to attack the OP instead of talking about the topic at hand.
The main issue is that any attempt to defend a topic, just shows - and proves - that they simply have no argument to defend. So instead they attack, deflect, harass.
This plagiarism issue is rampant. Once is a coincidence, THREE times is not.
And as I type this, there are others being looked into.
If this were another publisher or dev, they would all be jumping up and down, ready to attack them over it. But since it's CIG and Star Citizen, instead, they attack the people who caught it.
Maybe the real issue is people here are just sick of seeing the same fight over and over again? I personally just get sick of the song round and round getting stuck in my head, I really hate that song...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Anyone know much about this image? If not it was lifted from Ubisofts concept art and used in an Uncharted 4 trailer.
The original concept art:
I'd say this is far worse than using a likeness to plaster some clothes over, it also highlights this is an industry issue more or less, as well as how easy it is to slip this type of theft in, while going unnoticed until it's too late.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
No-one at SC paused for a moment and went 'hang on, that guy looks vaguely familiar'?
Do they not have a QA department? Or did Ian Somerhalder give his OK on this? (seems not, as CIG has since taken it down?)
This is all hilarious, and sad. Especially now that it seems CIG will be liable for royalties to said actor. Doubly so if Ian objects to his image being used without authorization.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar Authored 139 missions in VendettaOnline and 6 tracks in Distance
No-one at SC paused for a moment and went 'hang on, that guy looks vaguely familiar'?
Do they not have a QA department? Or did Ian Somerhalder give his OK on this? (seems not, as CIG has since taken it down?)
This is all hilarious, and sad. Especially now that it seems CIG will be liable for royalties to said actor. Doubly so if Ian objects to his image being used without authorization.
You'd think the same for Rockstar as well,
This crap happens a lot in the game industry.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
PSA: You need to continue reporting people who are baiting, harassing, attacking, taking threads off-topic etc. They ARE being banned; but if you don't report it, there won't be any consequences.
They continue to attack, harass, deflect, post unfounded allegations, lies, take unflattering threads off-topic in order to get them locked, which then ends the unflattering discussion.
Just do it. It's only two clicks.
Interesting you're still using your stolen artwork in your avatar.
Not at all the same.
If he were to open a lemonade stand with a big sign overhead saying "Endorsed by Wile E. Coyote" with that image, you would have a point. Or else, if he used Wile E. Coyote to make some kind derogatory statement toward Warner Bros., and Warner Bros. could prove financial harm.
I don't think using an actor's likeness (intentionally or no) to sell Lord only knows how much $$$ in virtual spaceships is at all the same as using a copyrighted image in an avatar.
No one expects it to be, so perhaps you were being facetious (you might as well claim you "stole" your parents' genes).
Still, though, it's a distracting comment, which is exactly what @dsmart was claiming SC fans would do.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar Authored 139 missions in VendettaOnline and 6 tracks in Distance
No-one at SC paused for a moment and went 'hang on, that guy looks vaguely familiar'?
Do they not have a QA department? Or did Ian Somerhalder give his OK on this? (seems not, as CIG has since taken it down?)
This is all hilarious, and sad. Especially now that it seems CIG will be liable for royalties to said actor. Doubly so if Ian objects to his image being used without authorization.
You'd think the same for Rockstar as well,
This crap happens a lot in the game industry.
Doesn't make it right, though. I also think it's funny how at least one person is making the argument that we should be ashamed for using copyrighted images in avatars. That's not at all the same as using someone's image without authorization, intentionally or not, for profit.
It could be that Rockstar actually paid those actors for using their images, too. Again, I'm not sure that didn't happen here, but the fact CIG removed Ian's image so quickly makes me think that it was indeed without authorization.
Maybe it looks like I'm being harsh, but in my mind this is a really, really dumb move, as it makes CIG liable. Why do I care? Because right now, CIG has over 100 million dollars in backer money.
It looks like people are starting to take advantage of this project in ways they shouldn't.
The circus must go on, I suppose.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar Authored 139 missions in VendettaOnline and 6 tracks in Distance
No-one at SC paused for a moment and went 'hang on, that guy looks vaguely familiar'?
Do they not have a QA department? Or did Ian Somerhalder give his OK on this? (seems not, as CIG has since taken it down?)
This is all hilarious, and sad. Especially now that it seems CIG will be liable for royalties to said actor. Doubly so if Ian objects to his image being used without authorization.
Have to admit it is sad, for something like this to slip through is crazy. I would understand if it was some random person, but this is a Hollywood actor, there must have been at least one person who was like "Wait a sec..."
Feel a statement is needed so things don't spiral out of control.
To the people on DS, imho just ignore him, people are more likely to take you arguments more seriously if you don't mention him. He clearly has a goal when it comes to SC that benefit no one other than himself, he's not here for you or me or gamers, he's here hoping to be the person that says, "i'm the guy who took down CR and SC".
No-one at SC paused for a moment and went 'hang on, that guy looks vaguely familiar'?
Do they not have a QA department? Or did Ian Somerhalder give his OK on this? (seems not, as CIG has since taken it down?)
This is all hilarious, and sad. Especially now that it seems CIG will be liable for royalties to said actor. Doubly so if Ian objects to his image being used without authorization.
You'd think the same for Rockstar as well,
This crap happens a lot in the game industry.
Doesn't make it right, though. I also think it's funny how at least one person is making the argument that we should be ashamed for using copyrighted images in avatars. That's not at all the same as using someone's image without authorization, intentionally or not, for profit.
It could be that Rockstar actually paid those actors for using their images, too. Again, I'm not sure that didn't happen here, but the fact CIG removed Ian's image so quickly makes me think that it was indeed without authorization.
Maybe it looks like I'm being harsh, but in my mind this is a really, really dumb move, as it makes CIG liable. Why do I care? Because right now, CIG has over 100 million dollars in backer money.
It looks like people are starting to take advantage of this project in ways they shouldn't.
The circus must go on, I suppose.
No they didn't use them with authorization, there have been ongoing lawsuits over it.
I don't disagree, it's incredibly dumb, I'm just showing that it happens a lot more than we'd think it would. That pertains to the act of theft as well as it going into these products noticed or not. Even companies we'd think are legit like those behind uncharted or GTA, are guilty of this type of stuff.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
The thread is about plagiarizing images and likenesses. Why wouldn't you expect images in such a discussion?
Well I didn't expect they had more than that former image of Sandi and now more are coming up.
You can say one might have been a slip up, two.. okay it can happen, but more? Come on.
It's no slip up, it's lazy artists, with no moral compass trying to gain a quick buck.
Well yeah but until they announce something regrading this we can't know if it was only due to lazy artists or them being forced to make them in a small time frame.
It's no slip up, it's lazy artists, with no moral compass trying to gain a quick buck.
Well yeah but until they announce something regrading this we can't know if it was only due to lazy artists or them being forced to make them in a small time frame.
I'm not sure I get that point as an artist myself, even in a short time frame I can design an original face it takes no real time at all, if you have experience. In truth with the purpose of those images (showing off clothes) they could just leave the faces blank.
If time is an issue I'm not sure why they don't use something like poser, which has stock models that come with the purchase they could design clothes over. It's also fairly cheap as far as software goes. .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
It's no slip up, it's lazy artists, with no moral compass trying to gain a quick buck.
Well yeah but until they announce something regrading this we can't know if it was only due to lazy artists or them being forced to make them in a small time frame.
I'm not sure I get that point as an artist myself, even in a short time frame I can design an original face it takes no real time at all, if you have experience. In truth with the purpose of those images (showing off clothes) they could just leave the faces blank. If time is an issue I'm not sure why they don't use something like poser, which has stock models that come with the purchase they could design clothes over. It's also fairly cheap as far as software goes. .
I don't know I'm not an artist so forgive my ignorance :P
And as I type this, there are others being looked into.
If this were another publisher or dev, they would all be jumping up and down, ready to attack them over it. But since it's CIG and Star Citizen, instead, they attack the people who caught it.
Actually... It is fairly common with freelance artists. Way to tight deadlines and often shitty pay does unfortunately create a world where corners are cut and kind of "borrowing" is the dirty secret to success.
But you (i assume) have a point in that a company in the position that CGI finds it self in thanks to you and other... vigilant sleuths should have a much tighter reins on their artists.
But at the same time most of freelance artistry that i have been in contact with does include signing a contract that more or less absolves the one who orders the work from shit like this as long as they fix it once brought to their attention. Now if we see a rash of artists doing this then it tells me one of a few things. either they have to narrow dead-lines on art, get people without morals (they tend to be cheapo) or and this is my favorite... Someone have planted "artists" with the sole intention to make this story happen, but that would be crazy right. =P
As for the last bit.... No... The fans of ANY game or studio would still leap to the defense of said game or studio if a similar situation came to light. How much of a actual overlap in fan bases there is i do not know. So you might be right on a base level. But then again... A Ford Focus and a Model A are both cars on a base level.
It's no slip up, it's lazy artists, with no moral compass trying to gain a quick buck.
Well yeah but until they announce something regrading this we can't know if it was only due to lazy artists or them being forced to make them in a small time frame.
I'm not sure I get that point as an artist myself, even in a short time frame I can design an original face it takes no real time at all, if you have experience. In truth with the purpose of those images (showing off clothes) they could just leave the faces blank. If time is an issue I'm not sure why they don't use something like poser, which has stock models that come with the purchase they could design clothes over. It's also fairly cheap as far as software goes. .
I don't know I'm not an artist so forgive my ignorance :P
Heh, you are forgiven
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
It's no slip up, it's lazy artists, with no moral compass trying to gain a quick buck.
Well yeah but until they announce something regrading this we can't know if it was only due to lazy artists or them being forced to make them in a small time frame.
I'm not sure I get that point as an artist myself, even in a short time frame I can design an original face it takes no real time at all, if you have experience. In truth with the purpose of those images (showing off clothes) they could just leave the faces blank. If time is an issue I'm not sure why they don't use something like poser, which has stock models that come with the purchase they could design clothes over. It's also fairly cheap as far as software goes. .
Indeed, with Poser you can design the whole body in few minutes, you can buy stock images from Poser, wow CIG is becoming lazy or they have some lousy artists working for them, this is not go to end well for CIG and all the whales that have forked tens of thousands of dollars in this metaphysical game?
People, this was not stolen "art", it was a stolen stock image. I really am not sure how in the world people could consider a stock image of a chick standing in a white background, art.
In all reality the only way we will ever know what really happened is if the artists comes forward and explains themselves. If it was just laziness on their part then its a completely diff situation than if a boss ordered them to remove the watermark from the stock image.
Also, who cares? Honestly I didnt back the game for their personalities, or moral compass. I backed it to receive and play a good game. If they make a good game I really dont care about their morality, seeing as most businesses in a modern economy is by its very nature immoral and parasitic.
It's no slip up, it's lazy artists, with no moral compass trying to gain a quick buck.
Well yeah but until they announce something regrading this we can't know if it was only due to lazy artists or them being forced to make them in a small time frame.
I'm not sure I get that point as an artist myself, even in a short time frame I can design an original face it takes no real time at all, if you have experience. In truth with the purpose of those images (showing off clothes) they could just leave the faces blank. If time is an issue I'm not sure why they don't use something like poser, which has stock models that come with the purchase they could design clothes over. It's also fairly cheap as far as software goes. .
I don't know I'm not an artist so forgive my ignorance :P
Heh, you are forgiven
To be fair I used to draw, but hand drawing is different than doing it on a computer. On the small island I live I didn't feel like there was enough opportunities for jobs on that type of skill so I am going for programming hopefully (If I don't change my mind yet again heh).
Anyway enough going off topic for me.
@Xeno The problem is that if the people used in those pictures confront them and CIG loses, they will lose a ton of money, and be labelled as "thieves" which results in less people purchasing the game and buying from their cash shop.
@Xeno The problem is that if the people used in those pictures confront them and CIG loses, they will lose a ton of money, and be labelled as "thieves" which results in less people purchasing the game and buying from their cash shop.
Not necessarily
Unless they are complete morons every contracted artist have to sign a slip of paper saying that they are responsible. So if anyone end up in court it will be the poor but stupid artist.
If they hire artists without any such contract the bloody well deserve it.
@Xeno The problem is that if the people used in those pictures confront them and CIG loses, they will lose a ton of money, and be labelled as "thieves" which results in less people purchasing the game and buying from their cash shop.
Not necessarily
Unless they are complete morons every contracted artist have to sign a slip of paper saying that they are responsible. So if anyone end up in court it will be the poor but stupid artist.
If they hire artists without any such contract the bloody well deserve it.
You might be right but until there's an announcement we can't know for sure.
Anyway I still believe that even if they signed such contract they would still get some bad publicity (They hired them afterall) which might still make them lose some money.
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For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
but it was this image?
(who doesnt remember "LOST"? ....the ending was bad ok...but tossing him to the space like that
Anyone know much about this image? If not it was lifted from Ubisofts concept art and used in an Uncharted 4 trailer.
The original concept art:
I'd say this is far worse than using a likeness to plaster some clothes over, it also highlights this is an industry issue more or less, as well as how easy it is to slip this type of theft in, while going unnoticed until it's too late.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
No-one at SC paused for a moment and went 'hang on, that guy looks vaguely familiar'?
Do they not have a QA department? Or did Ian Somerhalder give his OK on this? (seems not, as CIG has since taken it down?)
This is all hilarious, and sad. Especially now that it seems CIG will be liable for royalties to said actor. Doubly so if Ian objects to his image being used without authorization.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
It's funny and sad at the same time.
This crap happens a lot in the game industry.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
If he were to open a lemonade stand with a big sign overhead saying "Endorsed by Wile E. Coyote" with that image, you would have a point. Or else, if he used Wile E. Coyote to make some kind derogatory statement toward Warner Bros., and Warner Bros. could prove financial harm.
I don't think using an actor's likeness (intentionally or no) to sell Lord only knows how much $$$ in virtual spaceships is at all the same as using a copyrighted image in an avatar.
No one expects it to be, so perhaps you were being facetious (you might as well claim you "stole" your parents' genes).
Still, though, it's a distracting comment, which is exactly what @dsmart was claiming SC fans would do.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
It could be that Rockstar actually paid those actors for using their images, too. Again, I'm not sure that didn't happen here, but the fact CIG removed Ian's image so quickly makes me think that it was indeed without authorization.
Maybe it looks like I'm being harsh, but in my mind this is a really, really dumb move, as it makes CIG liable. Why do I care? Because right now, CIG has over 100 million dollars in backer money.
It looks like people are starting to take advantage of this project in ways they shouldn't.
The circus must go on, I suppose.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
Feel a statement is needed so things don't spiral out of control.
To the people on DS, imho just ignore him, people are more likely to take you arguments more seriously if you don't mention him. He clearly has a goal when it comes to SC that benefit no one other than himself, he's not here for you or me or gamers, he's here hoping to be the person that says, "i'm the guy who took down CR and SC".
I don't disagree, it's incredibly dumb, I'm just showing that it happens a lot more than we'd think it would. That pertains to the act of theft as well as it going into these products noticed or not. Even companies we'd think are legit like those behind uncharted or GTA, are guilty of this type of stuff.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
You can say one might have been a slip up, two.. okay it can happen, but more? Come on.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
If time is an issue I'm not sure why they don't use something like poser, which has stock models that come with the purchase they could design clothes over. It's also fairly cheap as far as software goes. .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Actually... It is fairly common with freelance artists. Way to tight deadlines and often shitty pay does unfortunately create a world where corners are cut and kind of "borrowing" is the dirty secret to success.
But you (i assume) have a point in that a company in the position that CGI finds it self in thanks to you and other... vigilant sleuths should have a much tighter reins on their artists.
But at the same time most of freelance artistry that i have been in contact with does include signing a contract that more or less absolves the one who orders the work from shit like this as long as they fix it once brought to their attention. Now if we see a rash of artists doing this then it tells me one of a few things. either they have to narrow dead-lines on art, get people without morals (they tend to be cheapo) or and this is my favorite... Someone have planted "artists" with the sole intention to make this story happen, but that would be crazy right. =P
As for the last bit.... No... The fans of ANY game or studio would still leap to the defense of said game or studio if a similar situation came to light. How much of a actual overlap in fan bases there is i do not know. So you might be right on a base level. But then again... A Ford Focus and a Model A are both cars on a base level.
This have been a good conversation
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
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In all reality the only way we will ever know what really happened is if the artists comes forward and explains themselves. If it was just laziness on their part then its a completely diff situation than if a boss ordered them to remove the watermark from the stock image.
Also, who cares? Honestly I didnt back the game for their personalities, or moral compass. I backed it to receive and play a good game. If they make a good game I really dont care about their morality, seeing as most businesses in a modern economy is by its very nature immoral and parasitic.
The rest of this thread is another session of popcorn eating for me. But now I have to lay off the butter flavoring cause I'm getting fat.
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
Anyway enough going off topic for me.
@Xeno The problem is that if the people used in those pictures confront them and CIG loses, they will lose a ton of money, and be labelled as "thieves" which results in less people purchasing the game and buying from their cash shop.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Not necessarily
Unless they are complete morons every contracted artist have to sign a slip of paper saying that they are responsible. So if anyone end up in court it will be the poor but stupid artist.
If they hire artists without any such contract the bloody well deserve it.
This have been a good conversation
Anyway I still believe that even if they signed such contract they would still get some bad publicity (They hired them afterall) which might still make them lose some money.