Sometimes a thread is temporarily locked while the mods do some housekeeping (editing posts, removing penis enlargement ads etc.). Seems like the "trending" threads with lots of posts are targetted by those Asian sweat shop net guerillas. When the moderators are finished, the thread is reopened.
Also, who cares? Honestly I didnt back the game for their personalities, or moral compass. I backed it to receive and play a good game. If they make a good game I really dont care about their morality, seeing as most businesses in a modern economy is by its very nature immoral and parasitic.
The trust worthiness, moral compass, and character in the personnel behind a company have everything to do with it when the company in question is operating on a crowd funded project reliant on public funds. Which is actually the foundational basis behind the overwhelming criticism of CIG/SC.
What do you mean by public funds? I understand "public" to mean a governmental or government sanction body funded by taxes. Each person donating/pledging/investing/buying/giving (whatever you want to label the crowdfunded gain) is a private entity transferring their private money to another private entity. Have public funds gone into the game? Has it been subsidized by local, state, federal, or other governments beyond the tax breaks and subsidies offered to any business?
It seems to me that the basis behind the ongoing vendetta is very personal otherwise the scope would have expanded beyond just one company by now, yet it hasn't.
The broader gaming public hasn't been concerned about how Rockstar has infringed on copyrighted material. It's just CIG/SC under the gun here. Yeah, it's personal.
Woah, site ate my post over mobile...
In a word, "public" can also refer to a company selling stock to anyone with a wallet (try Googling "initial public offering" and you will probably turn up something about Facebook or some other corporation). Not exactly the case here, but not entirely different, either, to me. Here, instead of expecting a return on investment you are expecting a finished product of arguably uncertain quality at some undefined point in the future. Technically, CIG is a private company. I'd rather not stray off topic with this as it has been discussed to death.
I now remember the Rockstar suit back in the day and found it noteworthy then.
This is not the topic at hand, though...
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If Tsuburaya Productions or mmorpg.com asked me to I would. I've not pretended that I have permission to use it. I've even said as much before. I don't have a problem with using that sort of protected work without permission. I think copyright laws are draconian. I do have a problem with the hypocrisy of making a big public stink about others breaking copyright if I were doing it myself. In other words DSmart and those throwing the stones should be without that blame before they do it.
I'm not saying CIG shouldn't pay for artwork. But I am saying they shouldn't be consistently singled out for doing so. If it's going to be a big deal then that big deal should be applied to us all fairly.
Your view is logical and sound.
However it's time for CIG to put some procedures in place in order to scrutinize images, art, etc submitted by in house or freelance artists. If nothing else just to not give individuals like DS incitement to throw mud at CR and SC.
If Tsuburaya Productions or mmorpg.com asked me to I would. I've not pretended that I have permission to use it. I've even said as much before. I don't have a problem with using that sort of protected work without permission. I think copyright laws are draconian. I do have a problem with the hypocrisy of making a big public stink about others breaking copyright if I were doing it myself. In other words DSmart and those throwing the stones should be without that blame before they do it.
I'm not saying CIG shouldn't pay for artwork. But I am saying they shouldn't be consistently singled out for doing so. If it's going to be a big deal then that big deal should be applied to us all fairly.
Your view is logical and sound.
However it's time for CIG to put some procedures in place in order to scrutinize images, art, etc submitted by in house or freelance artists. If nothing else just to not give individuals like DS incitement to throw mud at CR and SC.
Well again with the exception of the regular anti-fan peanut gallery faux outrage, not one bit of evidence has surfaced that anyone actually legally gives a shit about this issue. So unless news of a formal complaint or lawsuit turns up we can safely chalk this up as a complete non-event. And if that turns out to be the case I fail to see why CIG has to do a fucking thing, as with the exception of the anti-fan faction that will take exception to ANYTHING involving this game, no one else seems to give a single fuck about this happy horse shit.
Just because no one has mounted a legal/formal complaint doesn't mean no one "gives a shit." The fact that it does exist makes it an event. If no one "gave a shit" this thread would not exist.
Why don't you "pro-fan faction folk who don't take exception to anything involving this game" and "don't give a single fuck about this horse shit" go somewhere else and leave the "anti-fan faction that do take exception to anything involving this game," discuss the matter since they obviously "give a shit" which is why the thread was created in the first place.
If Tsuburaya Productions or mmorpg.com asked me to I would. I've not pretended that I have permission to use it. I've even said as much before. I don't have a problem with using that sort of protected work without permission. I think copyright laws are draconian. I do have a problem with the hypocrisy of making a big public stink about others breaking copyright if I were doing it myself. In other words DSmart and those throwing the stones should be without that blame before they do it.
I'm not saying CIG shouldn't pay for artwork. But I am saying they shouldn't be consistently singled out for doing so. If it's going to be a big deal then that big deal should be applied to us all fairly.
Your view is logical and sound.
However it's time for CIG to put some procedures in place in order to scrutinize images, art, etc submitted by in house or freelance artists. If nothing else just to not give individuals like DS incitement to throw mud at CR and SC.
Well again with the exception of the regular anti-fan peanut gallery faux outrage, not one bit of evidence has surfaced that anyone actually legally gives a shit about this issue. So unless news of a formal complaint or lawsuit turns up we can safely chalk this up as a complete non-event. And if that turns out to be the case I fail to see why CIG has to do a fucking thing, as with the exception of the anti-fan faction that will take exception to ANYTHING involving this game, no one else seems to give a single fuck about this happy horse shit.
Hasn't the 123rf.com website told them to remove the artwork? I know there is a screenshot up of the CS person saying they already know about the issue. Nothing to actually show they sent a C&D letter but you would think CIG taking down the artwork and attempting to scrub all traces of it would be an indication the company received a warning from the copyright holder
Well again with the exception of the regular anti-fan peanut gallery faux outrage, not one bit of evidence has surfaced that anyone actually legally gives a shit about this issue. So unless news of a formal complaint or lawsuit turns up we can safely chalk this up as a complete non-event. And if that turns out to be the case I fail to see why CIG has to do a fucking thing, as with the exception of the anti-fan faction that will take exception to ANYTHING involving this game, no one else seems to give a single fuck about this happy horse shit.
Just because no one has mounted a legal/formal complaint doesn't mean no one "gives a shit." The fact that it does exist makes it an event. If no one "gave a shit" this thread would not exist.
Why don't you "pro-fan faction folk who don't take exception to anything involving this game" and "don't give a single fuck about this horse shit" go somewhere else and leave the "anti-fan faction that do take exception to anything involving this game," discuss the matter since they obviously "give a shit" which is why the thread was created in the first place.
Well my sincere apologies if my opinion rustles your jimmies, but the whole point of this thread is that CIG are being dicks by using an artist that doodles over other artists work. We've known about the guy doing this for months now yet not once have we heard about any legal action being brought against him so it seems what he's doing isn't illegal. So once again it looks like what we have is just another attempt by a certain faction to blow up a picayune detail into some sort of disaster. Which it isn't. Which is why I replied to @Shodanas suggestion that CIG should do something about this non-issue if only to avoid outrage from you anti-fans. Because such action is a fools errand as the anti-fans are going to be outraged over SC no matter what they do.
As to not enjoying reading my posts, feel free not to, the ignore feature is there for a reason.
I never said anything either way regarding my enjoyment level of your of your posts. I'm fine regarding your input regarding the matter. What I am not fine with is your demeaning and belittling attitude towards others regarding their interest in the matter. It is, after all, a public forum available for open discussion on any of a variety of topics pertaining to gaming.
Your advice regarding the ignore feature is better suited to yourself and others who "don't give a single fuck about this happy horse shit." For if that is, in fact, the case ... then why are you even here? Discuss, or don't, but don't dictate to others what is worth discussing, and/or whether it should be discussed or not.
... yet another clown circus by the usual suspects.
The artwork in question has been removed from RSI advertisements as it's being discovered. If there truly were nothing to see, don't you suppose they'd just leave it up?
It's also not the only topic of the conversation for the thread. Theft is just more interesting than incompetence in making a tutorial to make a ship go up, down, barrel roll, and click "use".
edit: also, can you believe this contributor? Still can't stick to the topic. Still needs to talk about the people talking. What a great, intelligent, thoughtful person he is.
If Tsuburaya Productions or mmorpg.com asked me to I would. I've not pretended that I have permission to use it. I've even said as much before. I don't have a problem with using that sort of protected work without permission. I think copyright laws are draconian. I do have a problem with the hypocrisy of making a big public stink about others breaking copyright if I were doing it myself. In other words DSmart and those throwing the stones should be without that blame before they do it.
I'm not saying CIG shouldn't pay for artwork. But I am saying they shouldn't be consistently singled out for doing so. If it's going to be a big deal then that big deal should be applied to us all fairly.
Your view is logical and sound.
However it's time for CIG to put some procedures in place in order to scrutinize images, art, etc submitted by in house or freelance artists. If nothing else just to not give individuals like DS incitement to throw mud at CR and SC.
Well again with the exception of the regular anti-fan peanut gallery faux outrage, not one bit of evidence has surfaced that anyone actually legally gives a shit about this issue. So unless news of a formal complaint or lawsuit turns up we can safely chalk this up as a complete non-event. And if that turns out to be the case I fail to see why CIG has to do a fucking thing, as with the exception of the anti-fan faction that will take exception to ANYTHING involving this game, no one else seems to give a single fuck about this happy horse shit.
Hasn't the 123rf.com website told them to remove the artwork? I know there is a screenshot up of the CS person saying they already know about the issue. Nothing to actually show they sent a C&D letter but you would think CIG taking down the artwork and attempting to scrub all traces of it would be an indication the company received a warning from the copyright holder
Its certainly possible but I'm not going to make that assumption without solid evidence. Plus they could have just taken it down to avoid yet another clown circus by the usual suspects.
I'm pretty sure CIG is used to the clown circus since they are peppered with crap from DS constantly. Them taking down artwork and trying to scrub it from the existence of the Internet is pretty solid evidence to me.
The question now is do they hurt their reputation more by silently taking down everything as it comes to light or issuing a statement about said stolen or copied artwork.
PSA: You need to continue reporting people who are baiting, harassing, attacking, taking threads off-topic etc. They ARE being banned; but if you don't report it, there won't be any consequences.
They continue to attack, harass, deflect, post unfounded allegations, lies, take unflattering threads off-topic in order to get them locked, which then ends the unflattering discussion.
Just do it. It's only two clicks.
Interesting you're still using your stolen artwork in your avatar.
Not at all the same.
If he were to open a lemonade stand with a big sign overhead saying "Endorsed by Wile E. Coyote" with that image, you would have a point. Or else, if he used Wile E. Coyote to make some kind derogatory statement toward Warner Bros., and Warner Bros. could prove financial harm.
I don't think using an actor's likeness (intentionally or no) to sell Lord only knows how much $$$ in virtual spaceships is at all the same as using a copyrighted image in an avatar.
No one expects it to be, so perhaps you were being facetious (you might as well claim you "stole" your parents' genes).
Still, though, it's a distracting comment, which is exactly what @dsmart was claiming SC fans would do.
Wrongful use of copyrighted material is wrongful use of copyrighted material. Period. I'm not being facetious.
Nitpicking about forum avatars though? Come on.
Where do we draw the line when we're subjectively applying the rule.
Commercial use would be the logical place to start drawing that line.
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@Adjuvant1 People can be even MORE illogical than you think. CIG planned to stop adding new stretch goals sooner. But due to strong backer demand for more on the forums they kept going for another half a year more. Only then CIG finally stopped - apologizing to the backers for doing so.
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It was a poll with no option to say "no more stretch goal". LOL
@Adjuvant1 People can be even MORE illogical than you think. CIG planned to stop adding new stretch goals sooner. But due to strong backer demand for more on the forums they kept going for another half a year more. Only then CIG finally stopped - apologizing to the backers for doing so.
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It was a poll with no option to say "no more stretch goal". LOL
@Adjuvant1 People can be even MORE illogical than you think. CIG planned to stop adding new stretch goals sooner. But due to strong backer demand for more on the forums they kept going for another half a year more. Only then CIG finally stopped - apologizing to the backers for doing so.
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It was a poll with no option to say "no more stretch goal". LOL
@Adjuvant1 People can be even MORE illogical than you think. CIG planned to stop adding new stretch goals sooner. But due to strong backer demand for more on the forums they kept going for another half a year more. Only then CIG finally stopped - apologizing to the backers for doing so.
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It was a poll with no option to say "no more stretch goal". LOL
Because the SC Wiki is old and nobody even gives a shit about it to update it anymore? Because so much stuff has been changed, amended and retconned to the point gaslighted fans genuinely are concerned such a permanent record will do harm to the project? Because there's really no point because all the talk out of the mouths of CIG people is cheap?
I don't know. Why don't you think we consult the wiki more often? How many of your arguments would that actually help?
I'm pretty sure CIG is used to the clown circus since they are peppered with crap from DS constantly. Them taking down artwork and trying to scrub it from the existence of the Internet is pretty solid evidence to me.
The question now is do they hurt their reputation more by silently taking down everything as it comes to light or issuing a statement about said stolen or copied artwork.
Let me ask this, has Rockstar's or Naughty Dog's rep been hurt by the examples I provided earlier? Not from what I've seen, why would the case be any different here?
While it's surely embarrassing, there's likely not much more that's going to come of it than a thread like this. AT worst a cease and desist.. Which they've already taken it down anyway. If that were going to happen, it already did.
IMO thinking these small-beans issues are going to take this company down, or truly hurt them is wishful thinking at best.This crap will be forgotten by the majority within a month, just as it was in Rockstar and Naughty Dog's cases.
That's simply the reality of consumerism, people don't care about this type of thing, as much as they care about getting a new shiny game.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
The real story here is how low-ball they must be going on their freelance artist pay. In fact, I'm betting that most of their pay is coming in the form of "It'll be good exposure for you!"
I say this because, holy crap, is that some of the worst photo shopping I've ever seen. The lighting sources are all wrong, the perspectives are all wrong, the one model looks like her head was was cut and pasted onto a different body from damn near a different race, some of the people in the scene are real people cut and pasted in and others are obviously hand drawn... in the same image.
They might want to start spending a few pennies more for actual artists for the next round of imaginary ships they plan to sell.
I'm pretty sure CIG is used to the clown circus since they are peppered with crap from DS constantly. Them taking down artwork and trying to scrub it from the existence of the Internet is pretty solid evidence to me.
The question now is do they hurt their reputation more by silently taking down everything as it comes to light or issuing a statement about said stolen or copied artwork.
Let me ask this, has Rockstar's or Naughty Dog's rep been hurt by the examples I provided earlier? Not from what I've seen, why would the case be any different here?
While it's surely embarrassing, there's likely not much more that's going to come of it than a thread like this. AT worst a cease and desist.. Which they've already taken it down anyway. If that were going to happen, it already did.
IMO thinking these small-beans issues are going to take this company down, or truly hurt them is wishful thinking at best.This crap will be forgotten by the majority within a month, just as it was in Rockstar and Naughty Dog's cases.
That's simply the reality of consumerism, people don't care about this type of thing, as much as they care about getting a new shiny game.
I never said this issue is going to take it down and I doubt the next issue is likely to do the same. What will be the nail in the coffin for SC is the pile up of all the small issues.
Small bean issues can become massive problems in a very short time if you leave them unchecked. Issues like this are going to make people start looking harder for more issues at CIG and at some point one of these small issues could step on the wrongs persons feet and all hell could break loose.
Is the above likely to happen? I don't know since I can't predict the future but I do know that CIG does need to get their house in order or one day someone might come knocking that will do it for them and the result wont be pretty.
Anytime someone points out something about CIG or Star Citizen, you guys yell "Derek Smart". It's getting old now. STICK TO THE TOPIC!!
While it's disingenuous as well as wrong to blame CIG's faults on DS, which does happen. It's a bit different when he's a major source for the information being presented, one could argue he is using that original stated reality as a deflection to questions of his own credibility as far as this topic goes (which he's a source of).
He is actively working against CIG, there's no question about that.
an excerpt of his from that source:
"The E.L.E is in full swing. These small meteors are just a distraction. It's only a matter of time now. And Goons will be right there on the ground floor when that final asteroid (trust me, it's coming - fast) hits." -DS
Sorry as legitimate as my opening sentence is, it doesn't negate the other part.... This guy wants to bring CIG down, he has an active group working with him to do just that. That part cannot and should not be ignored...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I never said this issue is going to take it down and I doubt the next issue is likely to do the same. What will be the nail in the coffin for SC is the pile up of all the small issues.
Small bean issues can become massive problems in a very short time if you leave them unchecked. Issues like this are going to make people start looking harder for more issues at CIG and at some point one of these small issues could step on the wrongs persons feet and all hell could break loose.
Is the above likely to happen? I don't know since I can't predict the future but I do know that CIG does need to get their house in order or one day someone might come knocking that will do it for them and the result wont be pretty.
That depends on the nature of those issues, as well as how they're exposed. You have to create a very realistically vile scenario to get the masses paying attention. Pointing out small issues over and over again can go just as sour, just as quick.
Constantly lighting a match and calling it a fire doesn't bring more attention to things burning, it does just the opposite, it makes the likely-hood of a real fire going unchecked all the more likely.
Timing matters as well, these things always seem to pop up right on the verge of some SC milestone, be it a PTU release, an upcoming event etc...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I never said this issue is going to take it down and I doubt the next issue is likely to do the same. What will be the nail in the coffin for SC is the pile up of all the small issues.
Small bean issues can become massive problems in a very short time if you leave them unchecked. Issues like this are going to make people start looking harder for more issues at CIG and at some point one of these small issues could step on the wrongs persons feet and all hell could break loose.
Is the above likely to happen? I don't know since I can't predict the future but I do know that CIG does need to get their house in order or one day someone might come knocking that will do it for them and the result wont be pretty.
That depends on the nature of those issues, as well as how they're exposed. You have to create a very realistically vile scenario to get the masses paying attention. Pointing out small issues over and over again can go just as sour, just as quick.
Constantly lighting a match and calling it a fire doesn't bring more attention to things burning, it does just the opposite, it makes the likely-hood of a real fire going unchecked all the more likely.
Timing matters as well, these things always seem to pop up right on the verge of some SC milestone, be it a PTU release, an upcoming event etc...
A vile issue will get the masses attention for sure but you can alienate your audience one small fuck up at a time.
Constant missed deadlines will upset some people and they might get out as best they can Stolen art assets might upset some others and they will wipe their hands of the project The perceived greed could turn off others and they turn against the game
all small potatoes in the grand scheme of things but how many backers have you just turned off your game and how many potential backers who are sitting on the fence did you just shove off and into the do not back side?
It goes both ways sometimes with your match analogy. Some wont pay attention when a fire is raging but others will be actively looking for that fire as well (others might be the ones lighting and throwing the match lol).
Really though I'm not surprised more people aren't pissed off that CIG is touting persistence as some massive, awesome feat that they accomplished when in reality its a basic feature of just about any game on the market. Its not a vile issue but it should have people wondering what the hell is going on over there if this is some major milestone.
Wrongful use of copyrighted material is wrongful use of copyrighted material. Period. I'm not being facetious.
Nitpicking about forum avatars though? Come on.
Where do we draw the line when we're subjectively applying the rule.
Commercial use would be the logical place to start drawing that line.
Copyright should only apply if you're a business making money? That would screw every small time artist or content creator even more than they already get the poke not to mention that would take control of their creation out of their hands and put it in the public domain, except when it comes to making money of course. Even most open source licenses aren't that permissive, except maybe MIT and BSD, and of course public domain.
Should the law be changed or should we just subjectively apply the law.
That's not what I said and you know it... where did that straw man thread go?
This discussion is about an employee or contractor (not really sure which it is, not that it matters) of a company taking a watermarked photo, attempting to remove all traces of the watermark to pass it off as an original image and using that for promotional material with a profit motive.
That is several orders of magnitude worse than an individual taking a piece of artwork and using it as an insignificant forum avatar in a tiny corner of the internet for personal use without making any claims that it's original work or trying to make a buck out of it.
It is also a stupid thing for a company to do, because individuals using a copyrighted piece of artwork as an avatar are not likely to suffer any embarrassment that would impact their earning potential. OTOH a company doing so and getting caught could very well at least lose some credibility and possibly also actual sales.
On another note...
There seems to be a third group here in CIG discussions - not just "haters" and "white knights." For lack of a better term I'll just refer to them as the "not this shit again" crowd. It seems to me from perusing some of these threads lately that they seem to get just as worked up, if not more so, than the other two groups in these threads.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
Amazing that this thread hasn't been locked. Astounding, even.
Having said that, it's almost equally remarkable how people continue to get so worked up over vaporware. Do I think SC will eventually, at some point, release? Yes, I do. But I don't expect it to be even a shadow of what has been promised, and only the truly committed can't reconcile the fact that this has been a shell game by CIG from the get-go.
You know what I like? Indie projects that actually feel like indie projects - games like Crowfall and Camelot Unchained that are working on clearly-restricted budgets, but striving their hardest to put out a near-AAA final product. They acknowledge their stumbles and failures, and do their darnedest to keep their community followers informed. And then... you get a rampaging Godzilla like SC, that thinks it's indy, but has an enormous budget and spends half its days promising the friggin' moon.
After a while, you don't even care if that train comes off the rails anymore - you don't need to be there to see it. Because the truth is, the locomotive had its wheels on the ground from day one.
It's not a strawman. You left the statement wide open with nothing to it. I'm asking for a little clarification and where lines are drawn. I keep getting responses that companies can't, but people can because it's not that big of a deal. Moreover there is indignant scrutiny of just one party in a sea of plagiarizers and copyright borrowers.
Nowhere has a lawsuit been filed yet and no allegations have been made. It's entirely possible that they have a contract for artwork and have done a really sloppy job managing it. Those are all assumptions that have been made.
And yes, I'm in the not this shit again group. It's irritating when stupid bullshit keeps getting plastered all over the forum. So why not ask more difficult questions. People throwing stones live in glass houses.
It was very much a straw man because I did not say that "copyright should only apply if you're in a business making money."
You asked where the line should be drawn for the purposes of ridiculing someone who is doing that and my response was "Commercial use would be the logical place to start drawing that line." which has nothing to do with copyright "applying."
Your rejoinder about avatars in this and the previous locked thread are frankly, not up to your usual standards.
Even a crime as serious as murder has several degrees of offensiveness all the way from manslaughter to murder with special circumstances, not just in law but also in our personal opinions about the perpetrators.
Laws and especially our attitudes towards those laws are not binary. The question of whether some law has been broken is just the first step. Then you get into the details and circumstances.
Sorry but using the forum avatar as an argument just doesn't do anything whatsoever for me.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
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In a word, "public" can also refer to a company selling stock to anyone with a wallet (try Googling "initial public offering" and you will probably turn up something about Facebook or some other corporation). Not exactly the case here, but not entirely different, either, to me. Here, instead of expecting a return on investment you are expecting a finished product of arguably uncertain quality at some undefined point in the future. Technically, CIG is a private company. I'd rather not stray off topic with this as it has been discussed to death.
I now remember the Rockstar suit back in the day and found it noteworthy then.
This is not the topic at hand, though...
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
However it's time for CIG to put some procedures in place in order to scrutinize images, art, etc submitted by in house or freelance artists. If nothing else just to not give individuals like DS incitement to throw mud at CR and SC.
Just because no one has mounted a legal/formal complaint doesn't mean no one "gives a shit." The fact that it does exist makes it an event. If no one "gave a shit" this thread would not exist.
Why don't you "pro-fan faction folk who don't take exception to anything involving this game" and "don't give a single fuck about this horse shit" go somewhere else and leave the "anti-fan faction that do take exception to anything involving this game," discuss the matter since they obviously "give a shit" which is why the thread was created in the first place.
Your advice regarding the ignore feature is better suited to yourself and others who "don't give a single fuck about this happy horse shit." For if that is, in fact, the case ... then why are you even here? Discuss, or don't, but don't dictate to others what is worth discussing, and/or whether it should be discussed or not.
It's also not the only topic of the conversation for the thread. Theft is just more interesting than incompetence in making a tutorial to make a ship go up, down, barrel roll, and click "use".
edit: also, can you believe this contributor? Still can't stick to the topic. Still needs to talk about the people talking. What a great, intelligent, thoughtful person he is.
The question now is do they hurt their reputation more by silently taking down everything as it comes to light or issuing a statement about said stolen or copied artwork.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
https://www.robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/12760-Poll-Additional-Stretch-Goals
Was there ever poll asking people for more stretch goals or not?
^ Pitcher, Jenna (June 24, 2014). "Star Citizen community votes to keep stretch goals as funding sails past $47M". Polygon. VOX MEDIA. Archived from the original on June 29, 2014.
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I don't know. Why don't you think we consult the wiki more often? How many of your arguments would that actually help?
While it's surely embarrassing, there's likely not much more that's going to come of it than a thread like this. AT worst a cease and desist.. Which they've already taken it down anyway. If that were going to happen, it already did.
IMO thinking these small-beans issues are going to take this company down, or truly hurt them is wishful thinking at best.This crap will be forgotten by the majority within a month, just as it was in Rockstar and Naughty Dog's cases.
That's simply the reality of consumerism, people don't care about this type of thing, as much as they care about getting a new shiny game.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I say this because, holy crap, is that some of the worst photo shopping I've ever seen. The lighting sources are all wrong, the perspectives are all wrong, the one model looks like her head was was cut and pasted onto a different body from damn near a different race, some of the people in the scene are real people cut and pasted in and others are obviously hand drawn... in the same image.
They might want to start spending a few pennies more for actual artists for the next round of imaginary ships they plan to sell.
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
I never said this issue is going to take it down and I doubt the next issue is likely to do the same. What will be the nail in the coffin for SC is the pile up of all the small issues.
Small bean issues can become massive problems in a very short time if you leave them unchecked. Issues like this are going to make people start looking harder for more issues at CIG and at some point one of these small issues could step on the wrongs persons feet and all hell could break loose.
Is the above likely to happen? I don't know since I can't predict the future but I do know that CIG does need to get their house in order or one day someone might come knocking that will do it for them and the result wont be pretty.
He is actively working against CIG, there's no question about that.
an excerpt of his from that source:
"The E.L.E is in full swing. These small meteors are just a distraction. It's only a matter of time now. And Goons will be right there on the ground floor when that final asteroid (trust me, it's coming - fast) hits." -DS
Sorry as legitimate as my opening sentence is, it doesn't negate the other part.... This guy wants to bring CIG down, he has an active group working with him to do just that. That part cannot and should not be ignored...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Constantly lighting a match and calling it a fire doesn't bring more attention to things burning, it does just the opposite, it makes the likely-hood of a real fire going unchecked all the more likely.
Timing matters as well, these things always seem to pop up right on the verge of some SC milestone, be it a PTU release, an upcoming event etc...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
A vile issue will get the masses attention for sure but you can alienate your audience one small fuck up at a time.
Constant missed deadlines will upset some people and they might get out as best they can
Stolen art assets might upset some others and they will wipe their hands of the project
The perceived greed could turn off others and they turn against the game
all small potatoes in the grand scheme of things but how many backers have you just turned off your game and how many potential backers who are sitting on the fence did you just shove off and into the do not back side?
It goes both ways sometimes with your match analogy. Some wont pay attention when a fire is raging but others will be actively looking for that fire as well (others might be the ones lighting and throwing the match lol).
Really though I'm not surprised more people aren't pissed off that CIG is touting persistence as some massive, awesome feat that they accomplished when in reality its a basic feature of just about any game on the market. Its not a vile issue but it should have people wondering what the hell is going on over there if this is some major milestone.
This discussion is about an employee or contractor (not really sure which it is, not that it matters) of a company taking a watermarked photo, attempting to remove all traces of the watermark to pass it off as an original image and using that for promotional material with a profit motive.
That is several orders of magnitude worse than an individual taking a piece of artwork and using it as an insignificant forum avatar in a tiny corner of the internet for personal use without making any claims that it's original work or trying to make a buck out of it.
It is also a stupid thing for a company to do, because individuals using a copyrighted piece of artwork as an avatar are not likely to suffer any embarrassment that would impact their earning potential. OTOH a company doing so and getting caught could very well at least lose some credibility and possibly also actual sales.
On another note...
There seems to be a third group here in CIG discussions - not just "haters" and "white knights." For lack of a better term I'll just refer to them as the "not this shit again" crowd. It seems to me from perusing some of these threads lately that they seem to get just as worked up, if not more so, than the other two groups in these threads.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Having said that, it's almost equally remarkable how people continue to get so worked up over vaporware. Do I think SC will eventually, at some point, release? Yes, I do. But I don't expect it to be even a shadow of what has been promised, and only the truly committed can't reconcile the fact that this has been a shell game by CIG from the get-go.
You know what I like? Indie projects that actually feel like indie projects - games like Crowfall and Camelot Unchained that are working on clearly-restricted budgets, but striving their hardest to put out a near-AAA final product. They acknowledge their stumbles and failures, and do their darnedest to keep their community followers informed. And then... you get a rampaging Godzilla like SC, that thinks it's indy, but has an enormous budget and spends half its days promising the friggin' moon.
After a while, you don't even care if that train comes off the rails anymore - you don't need to be there to see it. Because the truth is, the locomotive had its wheels on the ground from day one.
You asked where the line should be drawn for the purposes of ridiculing someone who is doing that and my response was "Commercial use would be the logical place to start drawing that line." which has nothing to do with copyright "applying."
Your rejoinder about avatars in this and the previous locked thread are frankly, not up to your usual standards.
Even a crime as serious as murder has several degrees of offensiveness all the way from manslaughter to murder with special circumstances, not just in law but also in our personal opinions about the perpetrators.
Laws and especially our attitudes towards those laws are not binary. The question of whether some law has been broken is just the first step. Then you get into the details and circumstances.
Sorry but using the forum avatar as an argument just doesn't do anything whatsoever for me.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED