Given that the images in question so far have all been removed from the official page etc. - always assuming the link that now leads to a 404 was correct - it's basically a confession. Of course not (necessarily) in the legal sense, but in the "common" sense.
Why would you remove images when nothing is wrong, just because someone who clearly has some beef with you claims they are stolen etc?
Anyways, i find it way more interesting that the official website detects that i'm from Europe, but the currency stays as USD. It's just a little detail and in no way important, but often attention to detail is what makes a great product.
I'll wait to the day's end when the moon is high And then I'll rise with the tide with a lust for life, I'll Amass an army, and we'll harness a horde And then we'll limp across the land until we stand at the shore
First they have to finalize the game mechanics. THEN it makes sense to make a tutorial, based on things you know won't change until launch day. As the current tutorial is known to be broken in some places, its better to turn it off.
W.r.t. to the art issue. I concur that CIG should more carefully check on the work submitted by freelance artists. It seems those freelancers took some shortcuts and sold the outcome as their own work to CIG. CIG had no reason so far to assume that this is not genuine artwork made by those freelancers themselves. Now they have reason.
W.r.t. timeline - yes, things take longer than expected. CIG was optimistic in some of their estimates and backers have talked about this unrealistic optimism in the official forums since 2012. Do I personally think these were deliberate LIES ? No.
Have fun
I will get shot for this, but here goes.
My perception of what is wrong with the entire industry.
It is an industry based off having fun playing a game. In order to realize this you need artists, free thinkers in the extreme. You need programmers, and a host of other disciplines, but what everyone hates and what everyone talks shit about is the management side of things. The suits only care about the bottom line, about profit. True. However, without that managerial boot to ass (if you will) things tend to get blown out of proportion. Things get said that you can't take back. Business professionals (more so than most professions) understand how to avoid these things.
Being a great game designer does not make you great at business, or the specific disciplines that fall under that. Finance, accounting, management, operations etc. Sadly you need at least a representation of these people, not relatives (ahem) to keep the artsy types moving in a logical manner.
Having said that, it has to be a balance. The Leaders can't over rule the artsy types and vice versa, but there has to be a common desire to succeed and do right by the market as well as the player base. Hiring your brother, whom you can bully at will, is not the solution. Or your wife whom you can't bully at all, again poor decision there. Balance is needed.
Anyway, my 2 cred's on the topic. I think if this balance ever happens, these gross over estimations will at least get minimized. Oh, and kill hype. Kill it with fire.
This is obviously not directed at just CIG or CR, but the entire on-line gaming field.
Do I think any lying took place? No, no I do not. Do I think there was a serious over-estimation of skills? Yes, yes I do.
The free lance artist thing, pfft big deal. Free lance Artist do what they do, there was most likely contracts in place, and the artist will take it in the nackers for plagiarism. That is not on CIG at all.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
It's totally on CIG. Contractors are temporary employees of the company and represent the company. Their work is approved and implemented by the company. The company pays for the work and chooses the contractors.
I sometimes wonder what alternative reality some people come from.
'ah yeah we're dealing in stolen goods but we didn't steal them guvnor we hired a freelance burglar to do it - so we are totally clean on this yeah?'
I know I wouldn't but that is art. Heck, must modern stuff I see isnt even art imo and sometimes the cleaners throw it out because they thought it was garbage. But again... art.
OT(imo): Sure they have to cut costs because they will need at least 2 years to finish the game and they have to make up for dropping S42 and recreating it. And people might keep giving them 40 years worth of avg. yearly income a month for so long but that might drop over time. All they do is trying to finish the minimal product they aim for. Sure I wanted more than this too but apparently CIG is aiming for less than what their fans want the game to be.
So let them do this and lets wait till the game is released. If it is a gem, play it, and if it is coal burn and flame it. Until then, enjoy the show.
edit: About the tutorial. I guess it would be nice to have a tut but at this point in time it might not be needed. If you ever played a space sim before you are familiar with most things. Although it would be nice to have a 5-10 min lvl to play through and learn everything that is ingame. Like a short preview of what you are going to play. While the game grows the intro or tut could grow. So imo, not necessary but it would be a nice to have.
CIG seems to legitimately have some of the worst management of any major game developer. Some of that is to be expected given the massive overfunding they've received. But damn what a cluster-#$%#.
I'm happy to report that we talked about this in today's sync, and
the tutorial will be removed from the menu before the next Free Fly. (I
also don't want to take credit the change; QA brought it up first!)"
How tough is it, really, to make a tutorial? Discuss.
In other news, Art Directors at CIG aren't very thorough. http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sop3k1 Is CIG hierarchy to blame? Probably not, but if they couldn't tell Gardiner's neck isn't that long, maybe they need eye exams. How hard would it have been to just take a new pic of her? Isn't she on the payroll, for some strange reason?
"Developer Cloud Imperium Games has said that the game, with its various components, will come out by the end of this year.
However, this schedule from early 2015 is already off-track given that
the first episode of the single-player campaign, Squadron 42, definitely
isn't out as planned."
People sometimes buy things on the relative immediacy of availability. Telling people something will be available much sooner than the reality is a dirty trick. They had to have known such a schedule wasn't possible in 2015, but they lied to make sales. Hey, just make excuses later, like that people don't know what they're talking about, right? It makes CIG look like they don't know what they're talking about.
Making a good tutorial? Definitely not the easiest. How many threads and comments through the years have targeted the tutorials for being less than great. Look at the mighty EVE. How long did they fiddle and redo their tutorial.
The tutorial really sets the stage and has to be done right. If SC doesn't, it will definitely hurt.
CIG seems to legitimately have some of the worst management of any major game developer. Some of that is to be expected given the massive overfunding they've received. But damn what a cluster-#$%#.
Actually they seem like they're doing just fine. This same artist was called out by the anti-fans a few months ago for doing the exact same thing and it seems not one damn thing happened to him. So looks like while some of us find his corner cutting annoying, possibly even actionable, legally he seems to be allowed to do it. So unless we hear about some kind of lawsuit I guess there's no actual issue. So see you all next "catastrophe" I guess.
I see the whole thing as a catastrophe. It's one, slow moving tsunami of sewer washing over the game industry, the mmo genre and the crowdfunding premise. There are those glorifying the shit flood, like its appearance is a new religion, and there are those of us telling people to get out of the way, don't go swimming, here are some good reasons why.
PSA: You need to continue reporting people who are baiting, harassing, attacking, taking threads off-topic etc. They ARE being banned; but if you don't report it, there won't be any consequences.
They continue to attack, harass, deflect, post unfounded allegations, lies, take unflattering threads off-topic in order to get them locked, which then ends the unflattering discussion.
Just do it. It's only two clicks.
Interesting you're still using your stolen artwork in your avatar.
Not at all the same.
If he were to open a lemonade stand with a big sign overhead saying "Endorsed by Wile E. Coyote" with that image, you would have a point. Or else, if he used Wile E. Coyote to make some kind derogatory statement toward Warner Bros., and Warner Bros. could prove financial harm.
I don't think using an actor's likeness (intentionally or no) to sell Lord only knows how much $$$ in virtual spaceships is at all the same as using a copyrighted image in an avatar.
No one expects it to be, so perhaps you were being facetious (you might as well claim you "stole" your parents' genes).
Still, though, it's a distracting comment, which is exactly what @dsmart was claiming SC fans would do.
Wrongful use of copyrighted material is wrongful use of copyrighted material. Period. I'm not being facetious.
I see the whole thing as a catastrophe. It's one, slow moving tsunami of sewer washing over the game industry, the mmo genre and the crowdfunding premise. There are those glorifying the shit flood, like its appearance is a new religion, and there are those of us telling people to get out of the way, don't go swimming, here are some good reasons why.
Oh I'm sure you do. Why you choose to continually live in such angry misery about something that in the grand scheme of things hardly matters is beyond me, but I will certainly uphold your right to do so.
I don't get it either. Never understood the mentality of people who go to great lengths to bash something that they have no interest in. Don't like something? Fine, move on with your life then. Sad part is they seem to have the mindset that they're on some righteous crusade for a noble cause, when in reality it's a damn video game.
It's totally on CIG. Contractors are temporary employees of the company and represent the company. Their work is approved and implemented by the company. The company pays for the work and chooses the contractors.
I sometimes wonder what alternative reality some people come from.
'ah yeah we're dealing in stolen goods but we didn't steal them guvnor we hired a freelance burglar to do it - so we are totally clean on this yeah?'
I work as a contractor and I can tell you right now you are dead wrong. Part of what I do is called curriculum development. I am required to source fact to build into curriculum for specific courses, in my case the area of bomb disposal.
I am required by the contract to be in compliance with established rules concerning academic honesty. If I deliver my product to the customer and I have in anyway failed to meet the guidelines set forth int he contract, I can (and will) be financially liable for any wrong doings. Not the company I am working for.
Also, when am working the security side if things, if I murder someone, it's on me, not the company I am being paid by. This is contracting, it's on the contractor and this is why companies use them. We provide our own insurance, our own medical, our own retirement and we make damn fine scapegoats when things go south.
Having said all that, is it possible CIG allowed contractors to work for them with no guidelines? Yeah it is possible, but what is more likely is that an artist was on the hook for some work, fell behind and just went ahead and stole some work and then turned it in as his/her own. Bad on quality control for not catching it, although there are reasons they would not have, but ultimately it is on the individual that committed the crime, not the company that was paying them for their legitimate work.
However, all of this is moot if in fact CIG just said: yeah we don't care. Which is possible as well. Not likely but possible.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
Where do we draw the line when we're subjectively applying the rule. Why are we nitpicking about this? Why the social vendetta? No one complaining about it was hurt. Why complain about them? Who gets a free pass and who doesn't? If this is an endemic problem why is this one project only being scrutinized and called out?
We already know that several other developers do this, but all we're concerned about with them is that we get a fun game to play. Shouldn't that really be the only concern here as a consumer?
So you're going to remove your Ultraman avatar then?
CIG seems to legitimately have some of the worst management of any major game developer. Some of that is to be expected given the massive overfunding they've received. But damn what a cluster-#$%#.
Actually they seem like they're doing just fine. This same artist was called out by the anti-fans a few months ago for doing the exact same thing and it seems not one damn thing happened to him. So looks like while some of us find his corner cutting annoying, possibly even actionable, legally he seems to be allowed to do it. So unless we hear about some kind of lawsuit I guess there's no actual issue. So see you all next "catastrophe" I guess.
I see the whole thing as a catastrophe. It's one, slow moving tsunami of sewer washing over the game industry, the mmo genre and the crowdfunding premise. There are those glorifying the shit flood, like its appearance is a new religion, and there are those of us telling people to get out of the way, don't go swimming, here are some good reasons why.
Oh I'm sure you do. Why you choose to continually live in such angry misery about something that in the grand scheme of things hardly matters is beyond me, but I will certainly uphold your right to do so.
Edit: Oh yeah forgot to mention how SC's crowd funding kerfuffle totally wrecked Chronicles of Elyria's attempt at getting kickstarted. Poor guys failed so hard ... oh no wait they actually succeeded quite well didn't they? So looks like both of our fears that the SC drama would negatively effect other crowd funding properties is totally unfounded.
Who says we are angry and in misery? We can't not like a project unless we are angry individuals?
The he argument is that when SC goes down the shitter it's going to seriously hurt crowdfunding. Seeing as it's staying afloat right now it wouldn't impact CoE much
Where do we draw the line when we're subjectively applying the rule. Why are we nitpicking about this? Why the social vendetta? No one complaining about it was hurt. Why complain about them? Who gets a free pass and who doesn't? If this is an endemic problem why is this one project only being scrutinized and called out?
We already know that several other developers do this, but all we're concerned about with them is that we get a fun game to play. Shouldn't that really be the only concern here as a consumer?
So you're going to remove your Ultraman avatar then?
If Tsuburaya Productions or mmorpg.com asked me to I would. I've not pretended that I have permission to use it. I've even said as much before. I don't have a problem with using that sort of protected work without permission. I think copyright laws are draconian. I do have a problem with the hypocrisy of making a big public stink about others breaking copyright if I were doing it myself. In other words DSmart and those throwing the stones should be without that blame before they do it.
I'm not saying CIG shouldn't pay for artwork. But I am saying they shouldn't be consistently singled out for doing so. If it's going to be a big deal then that big deal should be applied to us all fairly.
So are you going to answer my original questions? Where do we draw the lines. Who gets the free ride and exemption? etc.
If it's OK for you to pay for lawsuits and fines on CIGs behalf (it's backers money) then go on nothing to see here. Small studios and independent developers can not afford those lawsuits, maybe CIG can.
If you make money from it direct or indirect you better pay or they will sue your profit away
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it. The cake is a lie.
Even the last thread on mmorpg here regarding the edited image which had nothing linked to him changed subject to accusing the OP of being with goons and then into another dsmart hate thread.
So I beg to differ.
(Btw I don't give a rat's ass about both of them so I'm not defending anyone but the point of these threads going off topic on purpose so they get locked)
Unfortunately that's how it is on these forums. The mods are biased fambois and allow clowns like we have here in this thread to attack the OP instead of talking about the topic at hand.
The main issue is that any attempt to defend a topic, just shows - and proves - that they simply have no argument to defend. So instead they attack, deflect, harass.
This plagiarism issue is rampant. Once is a coincidence, THREE times is not.
And as I type this, there are others being looked into.
If this were another publisher or dev, they would all be jumping up and down, ready to attack them over it. But since it's CIG and Star Citizen, instead, they attack the people who caught it.
Stones and glass houses Derek, fix your own mess of a game before you go and accuse others. Otherwise it's just Crab Mentality.
I will be one of the first to question Derek's logic. But I will also say he doesn't appear to be scamming people and selling lies to further his goals. Which is what CIG has appeared to be doing for quite some time now. I think this will be one big eye opener for a lot of backers when we find out what has been happening behind closed doors. CIG has every possible clue pointing that they have been dishonest with their dealings and used it as a way to raise money. Which is why I am patiently sitting here waiting to see that 64 bit space they promised has already been solved. If they deliver on this then I will believe their motives were honest. If they do not deliver then I will be front line calling them out .
CIG seems to legitimately have some of the worst management of any major game developer. Some of that is to be expected given the massive overfunding they've received. But damn what a cluster-#$%#.
Actually they seem like they're doing just fine. This same artist was called out by the anti-fans a few months ago for doing the exact same thing and it seems not one damn thing happened to him. So looks like while some of us find his corner cutting annoying, possibly even actionable, legally he seems to be allowed to do it. So unless we hear about some kind of lawsuit I guess there's no actual issue. So see you all next "catastrophe" I guess.
I see the whole thing as a catastrophe. It's one, slow moving tsunami of sewer washing over the game industry, the mmo genre and the crowdfunding premise. There are those glorifying the shit flood, like its appearance is a new religion, and there are those of us telling people to get out of the way, don't go swimming, here are some good reasons why.
Oh I'm sure you do. Why you choose to continually live in such angry misery about something that in the grand scheme of things hardly matters is beyond me, but I will certainly uphold your right to do so.
Edit: Oh yeah forgot to mention how SC's crowd funding kerfuffle totally wrecked Chronicles of Elyria's attempt at getting kickstarted. Poor guys failed so hard ... oh no wait they actually succeeded quite well didn't they? So looks like both of our fears that the SC drama would negatively effect other crowd funding properties is totally unfounded.
Who says we are angry and in misery? We can't not like a project unless we are angry individuals?
The he argument is that when SC goes down the shitter it's going to seriously hurt crowdfunding. Seeing as it's staying afloat right now it wouldn't impact CoE much
That comment is solely about the poster I'm talking to. And how do I know he's miserable? Just fucking read his comments. I suppose that he could be a raging psychotic who is happy to be unhappy all the time but I seriously doubt it.
And you also show your own bias saying WHEN SC goes under. While you're welcome to your opinion on the subject, none of us here are psychics so we don't know how this is going to end. So that idea that SC is destined to fail is simply opinion, not fact. To me SC seems an impossible dream as its pitched. As does CoE with its own laundry list of seemingly impossible features. However the only thing I know for certain is that I don't know everything, so I could be wrong. The never ending SC debate plus even articles calling for people to think carefully about backing seemingly impossible projects didn't do one damn thing to slow down CoE meeting their funding goal. THAT is not opinion, that is fact. See the difference?
Ah I wasn't sure who you were talking to or if you were makin a generalization.
Of course I have a bias. Anyone who has seen my posts in the SC forum know I don't like it. Will I rage about it? No but I do think this project will go down the shitter at some point. My point about CoE funding is that SC hasn't died yet. I'm fully convinced if CoE tried to raise money via Kickstarter afyer SC went down then they would never have hit their funding goal. As it stands right now SC is still going so there isn't a lot to really shake the foundations of Kickstarter funding but it looks like backer confidence is faltering just by looking at the monthly donations and how far it has fallen.
Lets please put a few things about the artwork to bed.
CIG is responsbile for the infringement regardless of if a freelancer did them or not.
It's common for creatives to comp artwork using the watermarked version. Once it's approved the art is usually replaced with the full res version.
This doesn't appear to be the case as it looks like there was an attempt (a not so good one) to hide the watermark.
If this was the only instance of infringement, stock foundies typically work with the offending party to "get right". This invovles paying for the usage and back usage..
When there is a pattern or blatant disregard for licenses the damages usual sought are typically between $5k to $10k per offending image/video.
The fact that they pulled the art tells me they didn't get right with the license holders, and wish to avoid doing so.
The image in question belongs to 123RF.com. If anybody feels strongly enough about copyrights, and honoring usage get your tattletale on. It's a drop in the bucket for CIG.
The legal departments at these stock foundries are busy with this stuff all day, and the typical offenders are enterprise level. It's pretty normal.
Comparing a forum avatar and a corporate entity infringing on licenses to sell goods is dumb AF, but by all means get your murica on.
"As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*"
Man i actually get upset whenever i see anything on this CIG,they are imo a VERY corrupt business that SHOULD NEVER be supported.
Chris Robert's NOBODY else promised he could make this game AND the several different content updates on the donated money alone.That means that all of the cash shop sales/ship sales are BONUS money. He should NOT be taking bonus money while taking FREE money that he claims he needed to build the game and it's installments. He should build and FINISH the game before operating a cash shop,ONLY if he was not taking free handouts should a cash shop be considered legit. Bottom line is Robert's is lining his pockets with all that bonus cash while still claiming he needs more and more.
Here is a question nobody has asked or considered....
WHOM is actually starting all these stretch goals,does anyone know for fact?Of course nobody knows,it could be CIG themselves stating these up for the sole purpose of continuing the profit making.Remember running a business for profit is perfectly fine,we all know that but doing it while claiming you NEEDED crowd funding SHOULD be considered illegal.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
WHOM is actually starting all these stretch goals,does anyone know for fact?
CIG was "starting" the stretch goals. The last stretch goal was added 1 year 9 months ago - so they have not added any new ones for a long time now.
Suggestions for new stretch goals were given to CIG aplenty by the backers in the official forum. Demands (!) for new stretch goals and associated "bonus items" a la engine tuning kit were posted aplenty by the backers in the official forums.
WHOM is actually starting all these stretch goals,does anyone know for fact?
CIG was "starting" the stretch goals. The last stretch goal was added 1 year 9 months ago - so they have not added any new ones for a long time now.
Suggestions for new stretch goals were given to CIG aplenty by the backers in the official forum. Demands (!) for new stretch goals and associated "bonus items" a la engine tuning kit were posted aplenty by the backers in the official forums.
Have fun
That doesn't make sense. Who in their right minds would demand new stretch goals when the company isn't meeting the ones they have now, and they've admitted release (whenever or whatever that looks like) won't have all the ones to which they're supposedly obligated to now?
@Adjuvant1 People can be even MORE illogical than you think. CIG planned to stop adding new stretch goals sooner. But due to strong backer demand for more on the forums they kept going for another half a year more. Only then CIG finally stopped - apologizing to the backers for doing so.
Also, who cares? Honestly I didnt back the game for their personalities, or moral compass. I backed it to receive and play a good game. If they make a good game I really dont care about their morality, seeing as most businesses in a modern economy is by its very nature immoral and parasitic.
The trust worthiness, moral compass, and character in the personnel behind a company have everything to do with it when the company in question is operating on a crowd funded project reliant on public funds. Which is actually the foundational basis behind the overwhelming criticism of CIG/SC.
Oh great! They re-opened this. Not sure why it was locked in the first place
Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living. If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead ...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them.
Comments
Why would you remove images when nothing is wrong, just because someone who clearly has some beef with you claims they are stolen etc?
Anyways, i find it way more interesting that the official website detects that i'm from Europe, but the currency stays as USD. It's just a little detail and in no way important, but often attention to detail is what makes a great product.
I'll wait to the day's end when the moon is high
And then I'll rise with the tide with a lust for life, I'll
Amass an army, and we'll harness a horde
And then we'll limp across the land until we stand at the shore
My perception of what is wrong with the entire industry.
It is an industry based off having fun playing a game. In order to realize this you need artists, free thinkers in the extreme. You need programmers, and a host of other disciplines, but what everyone hates and what everyone talks shit about is the management side of things. The suits only care about the bottom line, about profit. True. However, without that managerial boot to ass (if you will) things tend to get blown out of proportion. Things get said that you can't take back. Business professionals (more so than most professions) understand how to avoid these things.
Being a great game designer does not make you great at business, or the specific disciplines that fall under that. Finance, accounting, management, operations etc. Sadly you need at least a representation of these people, not relatives (ahem) to keep the artsy types moving in a logical manner.
Having said that, it has to be a balance. The Leaders can't over rule the artsy types and vice versa, but there has to be a common desire to succeed and do right by the market as well as the player base. Hiring your brother, whom you can bully at will, is not the solution. Or your wife whom you can't bully at all, again poor decision there. Balance is needed.
Anyway, my 2 cred's on the topic. I think if this balance ever happens, these gross over estimations will at least get minimized. Oh, and kill hype. Kill it with fire.
This is obviously not directed at just CIG or CR, but the entire on-line gaming field.
Do I think any lying took place? No, no I do not. Do I think there was a serious over-estimation of skills? Yes, yes I do.
The free lance artist thing, pfft big deal. Free lance Artist do what they do, there was most likely contracts in place, and the artist will take it in the nackers for plagiarism. That is not on CIG at all.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
I sometimes wonder what alternative reality some people come from.
'ah yeah we're dealing in stolen goods but we didn't steal them guvnor we hired a freelance burglar to do it - so we are totally clean on this yeah?'
Would you pay ~300 years worth of average US income on this ($15 mio)?
https://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/9221-robert-ryman-untitled-e1412347080590.jpg
I know I wouldn't but that is art. Heck, must modern stuff I see isnt even art imo and sometimes the cleaners throw it out because they thought it was garbage. But again... art.
OT(imo):
Sure they have to cut costs because they will need at least 2 years to finish the game and they have to make up for dropping S42 and recreating it. And people might keep giving them 40 years worth of avg. yearly income a month for so long but that might drop over time. All they do is trying to finish the minimal product they aim for. Sure I wanted more than this too but apparently CIG is aiming for less than what their fans want the game to be.
So let them do this and lets wait till the game is released. If it is a gem, play it, and if it is coal burn and flame it. Until then, enjoy the show.
edit: About the tutorial. I guess it would be nice to have a tut but at this point in time it might not be needed. If you ever played a space sim before you are familiar with most things. Although it would be nice to have a 5-10 min lvl to play through and learn everything that is ingame. Like a short preview of what you are going to play. While the game grows the intro or tut could grow. So imo, not necessary but it would be a nice to have.
The tutorial really sets the stage and has to be done right. If SC doesn't, it will definitely hurt.
I self identify as a monkey.
I am required by the contract to be in compliance with established rules concerning academic honesty. If I deliver my product to the customer and I have in anyway failed to meet the guidelines set forth int he contract, I can (and will) be financially liable for any wrong doings. Not the company I am working for.
Also, when am working the security side if things, if I murder someone, it's on me, not the company I am being paid by. This is contracting, it's on the contractor and this is why companies use them. We provide our own insurance, our own medical, our own retirement and we make damn fine scapegoats when things go south.
Having said all that, is it possible CIG allowed contractors to work for them with no guidelines? Yeah it is possible, but what is more likely is that an artist was on the hook for some work, fell behind and just went ahead and stole some work and then turned it in as his/her own. Bad on quality control for not catching it, although there are reasons they would not have, but ultimately it is on the individual that committed the crime, not the company that was paying them for their legitimate work.
However, all of this is moot if in fact CIG just said: yeah we don't care. Which is possible as well. Not likely but possible.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
The he argument is that when SC goes down the shitter it's going to seriously hurt crowdfunding. Seeing as it's staying afloat right now it wouldn't impact CoE much
If you make money from it direct or indirect you better pay or they will sue your profit away
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
Of course I have a bias. Anyone who has seen my posts in the SC forum know I don't like it. Will I rage about it? No but I do think this project will go down the shitter at some point. My point about CoE funding is that SC hasn't died yet. I'm fully convinced if CoE tried to raise money via Kickstarter afyer SC went down then they would never have hit their funding goal. As it stands right now SC is still going so there isn't a lot to really shake the foundations of Kickstarter funding but it looks like backer confidence is faltering just by looking at the monthly donations and how far it has fallen.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Chris Robert's NOBODY else promised he could make this game AND the several different content updates on the donated money alone.That means that all of the cash shop sales/ship sales are BONUS money.
He should NOT be taking bonus money while taking FREE money that he claims he needed to build the game and it's installments.
He should build and FINISH the game before operating a cash shop,ONLY if he was not taking free handouts should a cash shop be considered legit.
Bottom line is Robert's is lining his pockets with all that bonus cash while still claiming he needs more and more.
Here is a question nobody has asked or considered....
WHOM is actually starting all these stretch goals,does anyone know for fact?Of course nobody knows,it could be CIG themselves stating these up for the sole purpose of continuing the profit making.Remember running a business for profit is perfectly fine,we all know that but doing it while claiming you NEEDED crowd funding SHOULD be considered illegal.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Suggestions for new stretch goals were given to CIG aplenty by the backers in the official forum. Demands (!) for new stretch goals and associated "bonus items" a la engine tuning kit were posted aplenty by the backers in the official forums.
Have fun
People can be even MORE illogical than you think. CIG planned to stop adding new stretch goals sooner. But due to strong backer demand for more on the forums they kept going for another half a year more. Only then CIG finally stopped - apologizing to the backers for doing so.
Have fun
The trust worthiness, moral compass, and character in the personnel behind a company have everything to do with it when the company in question is operating on a crowd funded project reliant on public funds. Which is actually the foundational basis behind the overwhelming criticism of CIG/SC.
Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living.
If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead
...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them.