You know what I cannot wrap my head around right now? AMD is making more money then Intel and Nvidia and yet somehow they are considered the bottom feeder. Let me explain that a little before everyone explodes. Intel only made 11 billion net last year. A company that is worth over 170 billion is pulling in 11 billion a year net. And Nvidia is worth 32 billion and they are barely making 4.68 billion and I cannot figure out if that number is gross or net. Meanwhile AMD worth only 4.5 billion is making 3.5 billion net. I know assets make a huge deal when it comes to these companies but shouldn't making money be the goal here? I mean whats the point in all the assets if you can't pull in the money? Intel worth 30x more then AMD should be making 30x more money. If they cannot then they shouldn't be worth 30x more for sure.
AMD is operating at a loss, or at least has been until very recently. It doesn't matter how much revenue and business they get as long as they're unable to turn that business into profit.
Well, that's the common sense take.
The truth of the matter - you can very much run at a loss, for a very long time, as long as you can convince your investors that it's a good idea. You won't be able to do it forever, but you can sustain that business model for a long time. The stock market is more about perception and feeling than it is actual balance sheets, and that's where the capital is coming from to keep these public companies running.
What will be interesting to me is what Nintendo does with the NX which is rumored to have the next generation Nvidia Tegra "Parker" in it
Hmm... The Wii U clocked in somewhere around 750 GFlops (it had roughly the equivalent of an AMD HD 4770), or the current PS4 which clocks in around 1.8TFlops. The ARM CPUs could go either way compared to the 3-core PPC in the Wii U.
All in all, when looking at Neo/Scorpio brining 4-6 GFlops to the table... not very compelling. But then again, Nintendo has rarely been about the hardware and has focused on the gameplay, and I expect NX will continue this.
You know what I cannot wrap my head around right now? AMD is making more money then Intel and Nvidia and yet somehow they are considered the bottom feeder. Let me explain that a little before everyone explodes. Intel only made 11 billion net last year. A company that is worth over 170 billion is pulling in 11 billion a year net. And Nvidia is worth 32 billion and they are barely making 4.68 billion and I cannot figure out if that number is gross or net. Meanwhile AMD worth only 4.5 billion is making 3.5 billion net. I know assets make a huge deal when it comes to these companies but shouldn't making money be the goal here? I mean whats the point in all the assets if you can't pull in the money? Intel worth 30x more then AMD should be making 30x more money. If they cannot then they shouldn't be worth 30x more for sure.
You know what I cannot wrap my head around right now? AMD is making more money then Intel and Nvidia and yet somehow they are considered the bottom feeder. Let me explain that a little before everyone explodes. Intel only made 11 billion net last year. A company that is worth over 170 billion is pulling in 11 billion a year net. And Nvidia is worth 32 billion and they are barely making 4.68 billion and I cannot figure out if that number is gross or net. Meanwhile AMD worth only 4.5 billion is making 3.5 billion net. I know assets make a huge deal when it comes to these companies but shouldn't making money be the goal here? I mean whats the point in all the assets if you can't pull in the money? Intel worth 30x more then AMD should be making 30x more money. If they cannot then they shouldn't be worth 30x more for sure.
Don't confuse revenue with profit.
Yea I had to read stuff to understand the chart. AMD was actually losing money. My bad.
Setting up a fab for a new process node costs about $2 billion. Intel has Fabs, AMD does not. That will show a difference in revenue. For AMD with more limited sales it doesn't make sense to have exclusive fabs for their hardware.
Yep. Sure seems like everyone is scared to give nVidia money because they are doing poorly and might default...
Also:
"NVIDIA intends to use the net proceeds of the offering to prefund the repayment of the principal amount of its convertible notesand for general corporate purposes such as dividend payments or share repurchases."
Someone explain to me how the bolded part makes sense.
Originally posted by nethaniah
Seriously Farmville? Yeah I think it's great. In a World where half our population is dying of hunger the more fortunate half is spending their time harvesting food that doesn't exist.
"NVIDIA intends to use the net proceeds of the offering to prefund the repayment of the principal amount of its convertible notesand for general corporate purposes such as dividend payments or share repurchases."
Someone explain to me how the bolded part makes sense.
"NVIDIA intends to use the net proceeds of the offering to prefund the repayment of the principal amount of its convertible notesand for general corporate purposes such as dividend payments or share repurchases."
Someone explain to me how the bolded part makes sense.
NVidia will use the money to pay their loans.
Yup. It's the same thing as paying ahead on your car or house - you pay down the principle faster, so you have to pay less interest on it overall. They just used a lot of fancy words there to say that.
I just supported AMD again(doing this since 2009(no regrets all those years) by buying a Fury X what a improvement this card is over 290x specially temps:)
I wish more would understand we need AMD to keep markt healty and prices low for us customers.
And lately AMD on GPU front is not that bad a choice with good drivers longlivity and DX12/Vulkan performance.
I see with ZEN and VEGA a bright future ahead of all gamers and i mean not only AMD but also Nvidia which benefit from healty competition but most of all cheaper products also for Nvidia customers.
Good future for all gamers!
Hope to build full AMD system RYZEN/VEGA/AM4!!!
MB:Asus V De Luxe z77 CPU:Intell Icore7 3770k GPU: AMD Fury X(waiting for BIG VEGA 10 or 11 HBM2?(bit unclear now)) MEMORY:Corsair PLAT.DDR3 1866MHZ 16GB PSU:Corsair AX1200i OS:Windows 10 64bit
Now is the best time to grab some AMD stock for a quick profit. You want to grab it before they announce the quarter income. Solid chance it will be worth at least 50% more by February. That is when to either sell or reevaluate the potential.
Now is the best time to grab some AMD stock for a quick profit. You want to grab it before they announce the quarter income. Solid chance it will be worth at least 50% more by February. That is when to either sell or reevaluate the potential.
no.. Last Nov was the best time to grab it , you are wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to late , bought it @ 1.72 last Nov ... Sold it @ 7.00 recently ..............nice investment
Now is the best time to grab some AMD stock for a quick profit. You want to grab it before they announce the quarter income. Solid chance it will be worth at least 50% more by February. That is when to either sell or reevaluate the potential.
The day I wrote this AMD stock was 6.67 and now its already climbed to 7.00. Once they report their Q3 earnings then we are going to see it climb. Its a safe buy up till February.
Now is the best time to grab some AMD stock for a quick profit. You want to grab it before they announce the quarter income. Solid chance it will be worth at least 50% more by February. That is when to either sell or reevaluate the potential.
no.. Last Nov was the best time to grab it , you are wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to late , bought it @ 1.72 last Nov ... Sold it @ 7.00 recently ..............nice investment
I would agree with you but somehow I don't see any posts of you predicting it or telling anyone to buy any of the stocks. I have a post telling people to buy the stock at 2.66 back in April. And you lose out because you sold it for 7.00 when its going to hit at least 10 by February.
Now is the best time to grab some AMD stock for a quick profit. You want to grab it before they announce the quarter income. Solid chance it will be worth at least 50% more by February. That is when to either sell or reevaluate the potential.
no.. Last Nov was the best time to grab it , you are wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to late , bought it @ 1.72 last Nov ... Sold it @ 7.00 recently ..............nice investment
I would agree with you but somehow I don't see any posts of you predicting it or telling anyone to buy any of the stocks. I have a post telling people to buy the stock at 2.66 back in April. And you lose out because you sold it for 7.00 when its going to hit at least 10 by February.
lol, why would i do that , Altho i did tell some friends and family , which all did well with it ... ohh yess i lost out making over 200% on my investment ... aint that rich
Now is the best time to grab some AMD stock for a quick profit. You want to grab it before they announce the quarter income. Solid chance it will be worth at least 50% more by February. That is when to either sell or reevaluate the potential.
no.. Last Nov was the best time to grab it , you are wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to late , bought it @ 1.72 last Nov ... Sold it @ 7.00 recently ..............nice investment
I would agree with you but somehow I don't see any posts of you predicting it or telling anyone to buy any of the stocks. I have a post telling people to buy the stock at 2.66 back in April. And you lose out because you sold it for 7.00 when its going to hit at least 10 by February.
lol, why would i do that , Altho i did tell some friends and family , which all did well with it ... ohh yess i lost out making over 200% on my investment ... aint that rich
You could have made more money. I guess that doesn't matter.
Now is the best time to grab some AMD stock for a quick profit. You want to grab it before they announce the quarter income. Solid chance it will be worth at least 50% more by February. That is when to either sell or reevaluate the potential.
no.. Last Nov was the best time to grab it , you are wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to late , bought it @ 1.72 last Nov ... Sold it @ 7.00 recently ..............nice investment
I would agree with you but somehow I don't see any posts of you predicting it or telling anyone to buy any of the stocks. I have a post telling people to buy the stock at 2.66 back in April. And you lose out because you sold it for 7.00 when its going to hit at least 10 by February.
lol, why would i do that , Altho i did tell some friends and family , which all did well with it ... ohh yess i lost out making over 200% on my investment ... aint that rich
You could have made more money. I guess that doesn't matter.
it doesnt , I handle each stock the same way , i made my money im done with it , Ive moved on to other interests ....
Now is the best time to grab some AMD stock for a quick profit. You want to grab it before they announce the quarter income. Solid chance it will be worth at least 50% more by February. That is when to either sell or reevaluate the potential.
no.. Last Nov was the best time to grab it , you are wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to late , bought it @ 1.72 last Nov ... Sold it @ 7.00 recently ..............nice investment
I would agree with you but somehow I don't see any posts of you predicting it or telling anyone to buy any of the stocks. I have a post telling people to buy the stock at 2.66 back in April. And you lose out because you sold it for 7.00 when its going to hit at least 10 by February.
lol, why would i do that , Altho i did tell some friends and family , which all did well with it ... ohh yess i lost out making over 200% on my investment ... aint that rich
You could have made more money. I guess that doesn't matter.
it doesnt , I handle each stock the same way , i made my money im done with it , Ive moved on to other interests ....
Sure move along when there's more money to be made from this one. Sounds like a solid investor.
Sure move along when there's more money to be made from this one. Sounds like a solid investor.
It's his money... and if he is not as optimistic as you, perhaps thinks he can make more elsewhere, it's none of your business.
The fact is you have no idea if the stock will hit 10 or perhaps level out around 7.
Originally posted by nethaniah
Seriously Farmville? Yeah I think it's great. In a World where half our population is dying of hunger the more fortunate half is spending their time harvesting food that doesn't exist.
Sure move along when there's more money to be made from this one. Sounds like a solid investor.
It's his money... and if he is not as optimistic as you, perhaps thinks he can make more elsewhere, it's none of your business.
The fact is you have no idea if the stock will hit 10 or perhaps level out around 7.
Ill check back with you in 4 months. Its easy to criticize something and be negative without ever making any kind of projections yourself. Which is exactly what this guy did. Now you seem to be doing the same thing.
Sure move along when there's more money to be made from this one. Sounds like a solid investor.
It's his money... and if he is not as optimistic as you, perhaps thinks he can make more elsewhere, it's none of your business.
The fact is you have no idea if the stock will hit 10 or perhaps level out around 7.
Ill check back with you in 4 months. Its easy to criticize something and be negative without ever making any kind of projections yourself. Which is exactly what this guy did. Now you seem to be doing the same thing.
They are acting like responsible adults that they are when they avoid making predictions.
Only a child thinks that he knows everything and is qualified to give financial advice based on something he's read on the internet. Adults know better, understand their own limitations, and understand when the matter is such that they should avoid giving advice or making any predictions.
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Thing is that NVidia is giving away Tegra for free as noone wants it any more.
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The truth of the matter - you can very much run at a loss, for a very long time, as long as you can convince your investors that it's a good idea. You won't be able to do it forever, but you can sustain that business model for a long time. The stock market is more about perception and feeling than it is actual balance sheets, and that's where the capital is coming from to keep these public companies running.
http://www.ibtimes.com/amazon-nearly-20-years-business-it-still-doesnt-make-money-investors-dont-seem-care-1513368
All in all, when looking at Neo/Scorpio brining 4-6 GFlops to the table... not very compelling. But then again, Nintendo has rarely been about the hardware and has focused on the gameplay, and I expect NX will continue this.
http://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-announces-pricing-of-2-0-billion-notes-offering
Yep. Sure seems like everyone is scared to give nVidia money because they are doing poorly and might default...
Also:
"NVIDIA intends to use the net proceeds of the offering to prefund the repayment of the principal amount of its convertible notes and for general corporate purposes such as dividend payments or share repurchases."
Someone explain to me how the bolded part makes sense.
I wish more would understand we need AMD to keep markt healty and prices low for us customers.
And lately AMD on GPU front is not that bad a choice with good drivers longlivity and DX12/Vulkan performance.
I see with ZEN and VEGA a bright future ahead of all gamers and i mean not only AMD but also Nvidia which benefit from healty competition but most of all cheaper products also for Nvidia customers.
Good future for all gamers!
Hope to build full AMD system RYZEN/VEGA/AM4!!!
MB:Asus V De Luxe z77
CPU:Intell Icore7 3770k
GPU: AMD Fury X(waiting for BIG VEGA 10 or 11 HBM2?(bit unclear now))
MEMORY:Corsair PLAT.DDR3 1866MHZ 16GB
PSU:Corsair AX1200i
OS:Windows 10 64bit
Sold it @ 7.00 recently ..............nice investment
The fact is you have no idea if the stock will hit 10 or perhaps level out around 7.
Only a child thinks that he knows everything and is qualified to give financial advice based on something he's read on the internet. Adults know better, understand their own limitations, and understand when the matter is such that they should avoid giving advice or making any predictions.