Sure move along when there's more money to be made from this one. Sounds like a solid investor.
It's his money... and if he is not as optimistic as you, perhaps thinks he can make more elsewhere, it's none of your business.
The fact is you have no idea if the stock will hit 10 or perhaps level out around 7.
Ill check back with you in 4 months. Its easy to criticize something and be negative without ever making any kind of projections yourself. Which is exactly what this guy did. Now you seem to be doing the same thing.
They are acting like responsible adults that they are when they avoid making predictions.
Only a child thinks that he knows everything and is qualified to give financial advice based on something he's read on the internet. Adults know better, understand their own limitations, and understand when the matter is such that they should avoid giving advice or making any predictions.
We will know in 4 months. I would like to point out that we at least have evidence that I have given sound advice in the past when it comes to AMD stock. Meanwhile they have given zero advice and probably should have just kept quiet instead of blabbing nonsense.
A financial planner came knocking at my door one time. Told me he could guarantee me a 36% per year return on my investment. I told him that if he put that in writing, I'd give him all my money.
Sure move along when there's more money to be made from this one. Sounds like a solid investor.
It's his money... and if he is not as optimistic as you, perhaps thinks he can make more elsewhere, it's none of your business.
The fact is you have no idea if the stock will hit 10 or perhaps level out around 7.
Ill check back with you in 4 months. Its easy to criticize something and be negative without ever making any kind of projections yourself. Which is exactly what this guy did. Now you seem to be doing the same thing.
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Stock closed at 8.71 yesterday. Its perfectly on target to hit the 10$ I said would happen by February.
The problem its not as safe to buy it right now as it was when I first started talking about this. When I first started talking about this you had a 0% chance of losing money. Now that possibility is up to 30%.
Sure move along when there's more money to be made from this one. Sounds like a solid investor.
It's his money... and if he is not as optimistic as you, perhaps thinks he can make more elsewhere, it's none of your business.
The fact is you have no idea if the stock will hit 10 or perhaps level out around 7.
Ill check back with you in 4 months. Its easy to criticize something and be negative without ever making any kind of projections yourself. Which is exactly what this guy did. Now you seem to be doing the same thing.
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Stock closed at 8.71 yesterday. Its perfectly on target to hit the 10$ I said would happen by February.
The problem its not as safe to buy it right now as it was when I first started talking about this. When I first started talking about this you had a 0% chance of losing money. Now that possibility is up to 30%.
At this point anyone can see that you had no idea how AMD's stock would develop when you made that prediction:
1. Your prediction that the price would rise after their Q3 results were released failed 2. You failed to predict that their stock would rise $2 thanks to a deal with Google
Conveniently for you, your two mistakes cancelled each other out. So even though you had no idea what would happen and why, the result was coincidentally the same as your prediction.
Sure move along when there's more money to be made from this one. Sounds like a solid investor.
It's his money... and if he is not as optimistic as you, perhaps thinks he can make more elsewhere, it's none of your business.
The fact is you have no idea if the stock will hit 10 or perhaps level out around 7.
Ill check back with you in 4 months. Its easy to criticize something and be negative without ever making any kind of projections yourself. Which is exactly what this guy did. Now you seem to be doing the same thing.
Thats cute ... you think people give a fuck about your opinion .. LMFAO , ohh give projections aight , to people That Matter and i Care about ... ..Problem is You dont Matter i dont Care ..
But i will give one for you .. AMD will not get to 10$ this year ... but you buy it up champ
At this point anyone can easily see that you were dead wrong and I was right. So next time you decide to derail someone who is trying to help people maybe you should think first.
Stock closed at 8.71 yesterday. Its perfectly on target to hit the 10$ I said would happen by February.
The problem its not as safe to buy it right now as it was when I first started talking about this. When I first started talking about this you had a 0% chance of losing money. Now that possibility is up to 30%.
At this point anyone can see that you had no idea how AMD's stock would develop when you made that prediction:
1. Your prediction that the price would rise after their Q3 results were released failed 2. You failed to predict that their stock would rise $2 thanks to a deal with Google
Conveniently for you, your two mistakes cancelled each other out. So even though you had no idea what would happen and why, the result was coincidentally the same as your prediction.
Just because you misunderstood why I had my information doesn't make it less correct. It was correct and you don't understand how or why. So you can keep it at that instead of trying to justify how I was wrong. It happened and I was right.
Lol it didnt get to 10 yet did it , And once again was a much better by last year at this time @ less than 2$ Thats when the smart kids bought it .. .. you didnt ... That was my point , only , That you were late to the party it was better to buy last year @ under 2$,, And guess what that still stands as True ... I honestly dont care about it , i made my money on AMD (for now) near 300% profit ...
You feeling the need to massage yourself over buying @ over 7$ and its at 8.71 , is pretty funny , I aim for much bigger profits than that ...
I bought in at 3.50... and then sold a few 5.00 covered calls for January back in June.... It wasn't my best moment.... but it coulda been worse.
*shurgs*
I still can't figure out how a company that's still so far in the red is rallying so much... I mean They are doing better but they're still losing money.
I bought in at 3.50... and then sold a few 5.00 covered calls for January back in June.... It wasn't my best moment.... but it coulda been worse.
*shurgs*
I still can't figure out how a company that's still so far in the red is rallying so much... I mean They are doing better but they're still losing money.
Intel had over $55 billion in revenue last year, most of it from selling x86 CPUs. AMD had about $5 billion in revenue, with graphics accounting for a considerable chunk of that, especially if you consider their console APUs to be mostly about selling the GPU. So if AMD can deliver a good CPU, there's room for enormous revenue growth.
Back when AMD had superior CPUs to Intel (the Athlon 64 versus Pentium 4/D days), they also relied on their own fabs, which had limited capacity. So they could sell CPUs as fast as they could produce them, but they couldn't get very much market share because they had limited production capacity and it takes years to build new fabs for more capacity. Now that they're getting their chips fabbed at Global Foundries, with the option to also use Samsung if they really need a ton of capacity, if there is demand for AMD to provide CPUs to cover 1/3 or 1/2 of the x86 market, they'll be able to deliver it, needing only months rather than years to ramp things up.
And if AMD does get such enormous revenue growth, it will mean enormous profits. The costs of designing a CPU are fairly fixed and don't really vary with your volume. The per-unit costs of building CPUs (at least excluding the giant server chips) are substantial, but in the low to mid tens of dollars--leaving room for enormous profits if you can sell those chips for hundreds of dollars each. But that, of course, all depends on AMD having a good CPU available, and right now they don't.
But AMD's Zen architecture is coming next year, and for the first time since 2011, it's an all-new architecture, not one heavily derivative of previous architectures. AMD has publicly promised a release of Q1 for desktops and Q2 for servers. If Zen is as far ahead of Kaby Lake as the Athlon 64 was as compared to the Pentium 4, AMD could easily have over $20 billion/year in revenue and $5 billion/year in profits shortly--as compared to a market capitalization of under $2 billion earlier this year. Of course, if Zen is as far behind Kaby Lake as Bulldozer was behind Sandy Bridge, then AMD is headed for bankruptcy, as their next all-new architecture that isn't heavily derivative of Zen is probably not due until about 2021 or so.
So the big question is, how good is Zen? Is it good? Internet rumors point to "maybe", and AMD's stock has risen considerably this year on the chance that it could be quite good. It's a high-risk, high-reward gamble, and it's likely that AMD stock will move sharply once we know for certain just how good Zen is.
Given that Fury had a similar amount of hype surrounding it, I'm not holding my breath on Zen.
I'm expecting something to be competitive with Intel's mid-tier consumer line (Core i3's and i5's). and for AMD, that's all they really need, at a competitive price, to get up out of the extreme budget niche CPU market. But, I think and I have no evidence for, when AMD comes out and isn't faster than a Core i7, doesn't cure cancer, and doesn't run on rainbows, a lot of people (investors included) will be disappointed and immediate call it a failure.
And it doesn't matter what the reality of the situation is. If Wall Street is happy or disappointed, that's the direction the stock will go in.
Filmoret, I didnt catch most of the argument but your initial assessment was proven totally incorrect. You claimed that borrowing money was a bad thing for AMD. With low interest rates and the need to rapidly expand to keep up with demand, it was a great move by AMD. You think going in to debt is automatically a sell. I see they have to make more production and expansion, which is a great thing. I remember investing in a company with bad assets and large debt in the ebola wave. It was a protective suit maker called lakeland industries. It expanded to meet mass demand and there stock jumped 500%. You are seeing the same wave with AMD, their market share is about to get much bigger.
I don't see AMDs stock growing around Q1 2017. A lot of the increase in stock is due to the hype surrounding future earnings, not anything proven. So chances are the market has increased the stock price to what it would be if Zen is successful. If it is not successful or an average release, then I expect it to decrease in value.
Given that Fury had a similar amount of hype surrounding it, I'm not holding my breath on Zen.
I'm expecting something to be competitive with Intel's mid-tier consumer line (Core i3's and i5's). and for AMD, that's all they really need, at a competitive price, to get up out of the extreme budget niche CPU market. But, I think and I have no evidence for, when AMD comes out and isn't faster than a Core i7, doesn't cure cancer, and doesn't run on rainbows, a lot of people (investors included) will be disappointed and immediate call it a failure.
And it doesn't matter what the reality of the situation is. If Wall Street is happy or disappointed, that's the direction the stock will go in.
Immediately following the launch, perhaps. But if Zen is a hit and AMD hits $500 million in quarterly profits, that's going to do much better things for their stock than if Zen is a failure and AMD losses only accelerate.
And remember that desktop CPUs aren't the only or even main market for Zen. Getting AMD's superior integrated graphics without being stuck with an inferior CPU can be compelling in a laptop. Per-core performance is often a lot less important in servers with loads that scale to many cores. And both of those markets are probably bigger than desktops.
It's also important to note that Fury cards were still GCN, not an all new architecture that could be anything. I think it's impressive that AMD was able to get as big of gains as they did going from Tahiti to Fiji, with the same base architecture on the same process node. Nvidia's gains over that period were largely because Maxwell was a much better architecture than Fermi. Zen is more akin to Tahiti or R600, in that it's a major break from the past.
I don't see AMDs stock growing around Q1 2017. A lot of the increase in stock is due to the hype surrounding future earnings, not anything proven. So chances are the market has increased the stock price to what it would be if Zen is successful. If it is not successful or an average release, then I expect it to decrease in value.
To the contrary, if Zen is great, AMD could easily be over $50/share a year from now. And if it's terrible, it will really only be worth what AMD can get for selling off their GPU division and otherwise ceasing operations. I'm not predicting either of those outcomes or any other particular outcome. I am saying that a hugely important event to AMD's stock price is coming early next year, though. The stock price today is mostly driven by speculation about how good Zen will be, and that speculation is sometimes wrong.
A financial planner came knocking at my door one time. Told me he could guarantee me a 36% per year return on my investment. I told him that if he put that in writing, I'd give him all my money.
Never heard from him again.
I could give you a 50% loss on your money every year? haha
You know the best financial planners go door to door to find business. He wasn't a scam at all.
I would have used the scavenger hunt method. I looking for a raw egg, a bobby pin and $500.00...
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what
it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience
because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in
the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you
playing an MMORPG?"
I bought in at 3.50... and then sold a few 5.00 covered calls for January back in June.... It wasn't my best moment.... but it coulda been worse.
*shurgs*
I still can't figure out how a company that's still so far in the red is rallying so much... I mean They are doing better but they're still losing money.
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what
it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience
because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in
the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you
playing an MMORPG?"
Nvidia stock is down, Intel stock is down, are they all "bad business"?
They are indebt for 7-8 years now. And finally in position to repay part of the debt. Now, somehow, thats a bad thing lol
He said it wasn't necessarily bad. 7 - 8 years in debt isn't considered good by any standard either. Do you disagree that they want to break the cycle?
Filmoret, I didnt catch most of the argument but your initial assessment was proven totally incorrect. You claimed that borrowing money was a bad thing for AMD. With low interest rates and the need to rapidly expand to keep up with demand, it was a great move by AMD. You think going in to debt is automatically a sell. I see they have to make more production and expansion, which is a great thing. I remember investing in a company with bad assets and large debt in the ebola wave. It was a protective suit maker called lakeland industries. It expanded to meet mass demand and there stock jumped 500%. You are seeing the same wave with AMD, their market share is about to get much bigger.
Yea the conversation started trying to figure out what AMD did when they sold all that extra stock. Once it became clear it was obvious they were going to see another increase that would hit 10$ by February. Not many people were able to see that but I did because of how the move was made and what effect it had on them. Then I projected the numbers and said the safest time to buy was before the q3 earnings. Right now its not 100% safe but highly probable. Back before the q3 earnings the investment was 100% safe.
As of their future. They got the Apple deal, they also go the Alibaba deal. Then the Google deal.
This is all extra income. Even though the GPU's and CPU's aren't the greatest this will not determine their future as much as we think right now.
I don't see AMDs stock growing around Q1 2017. A lot of the increase in stock is due to the hype surrounding future earnings, not anything proven. So chances are the market has increased the stock price to what it would be if Zen is successful. If it is not successful or an average release, then I expect it to decrease in value.
Stocks are all about hype and lottery. They stopped beng tied to reality long long time ago (as crisis in last 7-8 yeasr has nicely shown when bubbles started bursting)
I don't see AMDs stock growing around Q1 2017. A lot of the increase in stock is due to the hype surrounding future earnings, not anything proven. So chances are the market has increased the stock price to what it would be if Zen is successful. If it is not successful or an average release, then I expect it to decrease in value.
Stocks are all about hype and lottery. They stopped beng tied to reality long long time ago (as crisis in last 7-8 yeasr has nicely shown when bubbles started bursting)
In fact, stocks are 1:1 copy of gambling.
No they aren't. Stocks are worth money because its a direct correlation to the value of the company itself. When you buy stocks you are actually buying a portion of the company. So yea if you wan't to own AMD you have to buy 4 billion worth of stock and you are the owner.
I don't see AMDs stock growing around Q1 2017. A lot of the increase in stock is due to the hype surrounding future earnings, not anything proven. So chances are the market has increased the stock price to what it would be if Zen is successful. If it is not successful or an average release, then I expect it to decrease in value.
Stocks are all about hype and lottery. They stopped beng tied to reality long long time ago (as crisis in last 7-8 yeasr has nicely shown when bubbles started bursting)
In fact, stocks are 1:1 copy of gambling.
No they aren't. Stocks are worth money because its a direct correlation to the value of the company itself. When you buy stocks you are actually buying a portion of the company. So yea if you wan't to own AMD you have to buy 4 billion worth of stock and you are the owner.
Big difference between Market value and Book value.
Stocks are too much like gambling in these times. Too many speculators and too many sharks taking advantage of them.
I don't see AMDs stock growing around Q1 2017. A lot of the increase in stock is due to the hype surrounding future earnings, not anything proven. So chances are the market has increased the stock price to what it would be if Zen is successful. If it is not successful or an average release, then I expect it to decrease in value.
Stocks are all about hype and lottery. They stopped beng tied to reality long long time ago (as crisis in last 7-8 yeasr has nicely shown when bubbles started bursting)
In fact, stocks are 1:1 copy of gambling.
No they aren't. Stocks are worth money because its a direct correlation to the value of the company itself. When you buy stocks you are actually buying a portion of the company. So yea if you wan't to own AMD you have to buy 4 billion worth of stock and you are the owner.
And? You gonna buy 4 b of AMD stock?
Fact is that stocks doesnt represent anythign but speculative value and nothing more.
And you can speculate on that value and bet, just like any other gamble.
I don't see AMDs stock growing around Q1 2017. A lot of the increase in stock is due to the hype surrounding future earnings, not anything proven. So chances are the market has increased the stock price to what it would be if Zen is successful. If it is not successful or an average release, then I expect it to decrease in value.
Stocks are all about hype and lottery. They stopped beng tied to reality long long time ago (as crisis in last 7-8 yeasr has nicely shown when bubbles started bursting)
In fact, stocks are 1:1 copy of gambling.
No they aren't. Stocks are worth money because its a direct correlation to the value of the company itself. When you buy stocks you are actually buying a portion of the company. So yea if you wan't to own AMD you have to buy 4 billion worth of stock and you are the owner.
And? You gonna buy 4 b of AMD stock?
Fact is that stocks doesnt represent anythign but speculative value and nothing more.
And you can speculate on that value and bet, just like any other gamble.
Maybe you don't understand that if you own 51% of the stock then you basically own the entire company. Yes once that process begins then the price naturally goes up because there is a sudden demand for such a high quantity. And the other big shareholders don't just sellout that easy either. But however you cut it the stock represents the value of a company. Because owning the stock gives control of the company to whoever owns it.
I don't see AMDs stock growing around Q1 2017. A lot of the increase in stock is due to the hype surrounding future earnings, not anything proven. So chances are the market has increased the stock price to what it would be if Zen is successful. If it is not successful or an average release, then I expect it to decrease in value.
Stocks are all about hype and lottery. They stopped beng tied to reality long long time ago (as crisis in last 7-8 yeasr has nicely shown when bubbles started bursting)
In fact, stocks are 1:1 copy of gambling.
No they aren't. Stocks are worth money because its a direct correlation to the value of the company itself. When you buy stocks you are actually buying a portion of the company. So yea if you wan't to own AMD you have to buy 4 billion worth of stock and you are the owner.
And? You gonna buy 4 b of AMD stock?
Fact is that stocks doesnt represent anythign but speculative value and nothing more.
And you can speculate on that value and bet, just like any other gamble.
Maybe you don't understand that if you own 51% of the stock then you basically own the entire company. Yes once that process begins then the price naturally goes up because there is a sudden demand for such a high quantity. And the other big shareholders don't just sellout that easy either. But however you cut it the stock represents the value of a company. Because owning the stock gives control of the company to whoever owns it.
The Stock value represents the Market value. Which in too many cases is overvalued because of over ambitious speculation from people looking for easy money. Too much hype, corruption and crap.
I feel for the Elderly, traditionally they could park their savings in the bank and receive a decent interest rate to safely fund their retirement. Now they are being forced to risk it.
I don't see AMDs stock growing around Q1 2017. A lot of the increase in stock is due to the hype surrounding future earnings, not anything proven. So chances are the market has increased the stock price to what it would be if Zen is successful. If it is not successful or an average release, then I expect it to decrease in value.
Stocks are all about hype and lottery. They stopped beng tied to reality long long time ago (as crisis in last 7-8 yeasr has nicely shown when bubbles started bursting)
In fact, stocks are 1:1 copy of gambling.
No they aren't. Stocks are worth money because its a direct correlation to the value of the company itself. When you buy stocks you are actually buying a portion of the company. So yea if you wan't to own AMD you have to buy 4 billion worth of stock and you are the owner.
Well, that's true. Stock price is a direct correlation to the value of the company. And when you buy stock, you are buying a share of the company. It does entitle you to some voting rights in corporate affairs in many cases.
Where your wrong is, that the value assigned to the company includes many speculative elements. That is a lot more than just the value of the physical assets a company may have, and is heavily influenced by emotion and feeling. There are a lot of stocks where they are much more influenced by potential earnings than by actual realized profit or tangible assets held. That pretty much describes every "tech" stock on the market - very heavy in IP and "potential earnings", not so heavy on tangible assets or realized profit.
Is the stock market gambling? In a sense. I see it more as an investment. You are buying a portion of a company, so you are getting something physical for your money, whereas in a true gamble you are just playing some odds. If the value of your stock goes up, you make money, if it goes down, you lose... but until the company ceases to exist entirely, you still own that portion of the company, no matter what it may be worth at the moment. Yes, it can be as volatile as playing blackjack, but the fact that you still hold on to something even if you lose the bet, at least for me, is what differentiates it from just straight gambling.
I don't see AMDs stock growing around Q1 2017. A lot of the increase in stock is due to the hype surrounding future earnings, not anything proven. So chances are the market has increased the stock price to what it would be if Zen is successful. If it is not successful or an average release, then I expect it to decrease in value.
Stocks are all about hype and lottery. They stopped beng tied to reality long long time ago (as crisis in last 7-8 yeasr has nicely shown when bubbles started bursting)
In fact, stocks are 1:1 copy of gambling.
No they aren't. Stocks are worth money because its a direct correlation to the value of the company itself. When you buy stocks you are actually buying a portion of the company. So yea if you wan't to own AMD you have to buy 4 billion worth of stock and you are the owner.
And? You gonna buy 4 b of AMD stock?
Fact is that stocks doesnt represent anythign but speculative value and nothing more.
And you can speculate on that value and bet, just like any other gamble.
Maybe you don't understand that if you own 51% of the stock then you basically own the entire company. Yes once that process begins then the price naturally goes up because there is a sudden demand for such a high quantity. And the other big shareholders don't just sellout that easy either. But however you cut it the stock represents the value of a company. Because owning the stock gives control of the company to whoever owns it.
At 51% you have a controlling interest, but that's not the same thing as owning the entire company. The company still has to be run by a Board of Directors. At 51%, you have a lot of say who gets put on that Board, and you could even have yourself installed on it, but the Board as a committee still sets the policy, the President still runs the day to day, and there's still another 49% out there that may or may not see things your way, not every vote or decision is passed on a simple majority.
If you can convince 75% of stockholders to pass a special resolution and convert the company back to private ownership, then you "own" the company outright. But you also lose the ability to sell shares (and cut off a valuable method of providing your own capital).
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Stock closed at 8.71 yesterday. Its perfectly on target to hit the 10$ I said would happen by February.
The problem its not as safe to buy it right now as it was when I first started talking about this. When I first started talking about this you had a 0% chance of losing money. Now that possibility is up to 30%.
1. Your prediction that the price would rise after their Q3 results were released failed
2. You failed to predict that their stock would rise $2 thanks to a deal with Google
Conveniently for you, your two mistakes cancelled each other out. So even though you had no idea what would happen and why, the result was coincidentally the same as your prediction.
You feeling the need to massage yourself over buying @ over 7$ and its at 8.71 , is pretty funny , I aim for much bigger profits than that ...
*shurgs*
I still can't figure out how a company that's still so far in the red is rallying so much... I mean They are doing better but they're still losing money.
Back when AMD had superior CPUs to Intel (the Athlon 64 versus Pentium 4/D days), they also relied on their own fabs, which had limited capacity. So they could sell CPUs as fast as they could produce them, but they couldn't get very much market share because they had limited production capacity and it takes years to build new fabs for more capacity. Now that they're getting their chips fabbed at Global Foundries, with the option to also use Samsung if they really need a ton of capacity, if there is demand for AMD to provide CPUs to cover 1/3 or 1/2 of the x86 market, they'll be able to deliver it, needing only months rather than years to ramp things up.
And if AMD does get such enormous revenue growth, it will mean enormous profits. The costs of designing a CPU are fairly fixed and don't really vary with your volume. The per-unit costs of building CPUs (at least excluding the giant server chips) are substantial, but in the low to mid tens of dollars--leaving room for enormous profits if you can sell those chips for hundreds of dollars each. But that, of course, all depends on AMD having a good CPU available, and right now they don't.
But AMD's Zen architecture is coming next year, and for the first time since 2011, it's an all-new architecture, not one heavily derivative of previous architectures. AMD has publicly promised a release of Q1 for desktops and Q2 for servers. If Zen is as far ahead of Kaby Lake as the Athlon 64 was as compared to the Pentium 4, AMD could easily have over $20 billion/year in revenue and $5 billion/year in profits shortly--as compared to a market capitalization of under $2 billion earlier this year. Of course, if Zen is as far behind Kaby Lake as Bulldozer was behind Sandy Bridge, then AMD is headed for bankruptcy, as their next all-new architecture that isn't heavily derivative of Zen is probably not due until about 2021 or so.
So the big question is, how good is Zen? Is it good? Internet rumors point to "maybe", and AMD's stock has risen considerably this year on the chance that it could be quite good. It's a high-risk, high-reward gamble, and it's likely that AMD stock will move sharply once we know for certain just how good Zen is.
I'm expecting something to be competitive with Intel's mid-tier consumer line (Core i3's and i5's). and for AMD, that's all they really need, at a competitive price, to get up out of the extreme budget niche CPU market. But, I think and I have no evidence for, when AMD comes out and isn't faster than a Core i7, doesn't cure cancer, and doesn't run on rainbows, a lot of people (investors included) will be disappointed and immediate call it a failure.
And it doesn't matter what the reality of the situation is. If Wall Street is happy or disappointed, that's the direction the stock will go in.
And remember that desktop CPUs aren't the only or even main market for Zen. Getting AMD's superior integrated graphics without being stuck with an inferior CPU can be compelling in a laptop. Per-core performance is often a lot less important in servers with loads that scale to many cores. And both of those markets are probably bigger than desktops.
It's also important to note that Fury cards were still GCN, not an all new architecture that could be anything. I think it's impressive that AMD was able to get as big of gains as they did going from Tahiti to Fiji, with the same base architecture on the same process node. Nvidia's gains over that period were largely because Maxwell was a much better architecture than Fermi. Zen is more akin to Tahiti or R600, in that it's a major break from the past.
I could give you a 50% loss on your money every year? haha
You know the best financial planners go door to door to find business. He wasn't a scam at all.
I would have used the scavenger hunt method. I looking for a raw egg, a bobby pin and $500.00...
Epic Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAigCvelkhQ&list=PLo9FRw1AkDuQLEz7Gvvaz3ideB2NpFtT1
https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos?&sort=-downloads&page=1
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
Buy on bad news and sell on good news.
Epic Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAigCvelkhQ&list=PLo9FRw1AkDuQLEz7Gvvaz3ideB2NpFtT1
https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos?&sort=-downloads&page=1
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
I self identify as a monkey.
Yea the conversation started trying to figure out what AMD did when they sold all that extra stock. Once it became clear it was obvious they were going to see another increase that would hit 10$ by February. Not many people were able to see that but I did because of how the move was made and what effect it had on them. Then I projected the numbers and said the safest time to buy was before the q3 earnings. Right now its not 100% safe but highly probable. Back before the q3 earnings the investment was 100% safe.
As of their future. They got the Apple deal, they also go the Alibaba deal. Then the Google deal.
This is all extra income. Even though the GPU's and CPU's aren't the greatest this will not determine their future as much as we think right now.
In fact, stocks are 1:1 copy of gambling.
Stocks are too much like gambling in these times. Too many speculators and too many sharks taking advantage of them.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Fact is that stocks doesnt represent anythign but speculative value and nothing more.
And you can speculate on that value and bet, just like any other gamble.
I feel for the Elderly, traditionally they could park their savings in the bank and receive a decent interest rate to safely fund their retirement. Now they are being forced to risk it.
It's fucking disgusting.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Where your wrong is, that the value assigned to the company includes many speculative elements. That is a lot more than just the value of the physical assets a company may have, and is heavily influenced by emotion and feeling. There are a lot of stocks where they are much more influenced by potential earnings than by actual realized profit or tangible assets held. That pretty much describes every "tech" stock on the market - very heavy in IP and "potential earnings", not so heavy on tangible assets or realized profit.
Otherwise, how on earth could you possibly hope to explain why Facebook, a company which produces absolutely nothing besides a web page, has a current market cap of ~$350B?
Is the stock market gambling? In a sense. I see it more as an investment. You are buying a portion of a company, so you are getting something physical for your money, whereas in a true gamble you are just playing some odds. If the value of your stock goes up, you make money, if it goes down, you lose... but until the company ceases to exist entirely, you still own that portion of the company, no matter what it may be worth at the moment. Yes, it can be as volatile as playing blackjack, but the fact that you still hold on to something even if you lose the bet, at least for me, is what differentiates it from just straight gambling.
If you can convince 75% of stockholders to pass a special resolution and convert the company back to private ownership, then you "own" the company outright. But you also lose the ability to sell shares (and cut off a valuable method of providing your own capital).