I don't see AMDs stock growing around Q1 2017. A lot of the increase in stock is due to the hype surrounding future earnings, not anything proven. So chances are the market has increased the stock price to what it would be if Zen is successful. If it is not successful or an average release, then I expect it to decrease in value.
Stocks are all about hype and lottery. They stopped beng tied to reality long long time ago (as crisis in last 7-8 yeasr has nicely shown when bubbles started bursting)
In fact, stocks are 1:1 copy of gambling.
No they aren't. Stocks are worth money because its a direct correlation to the value of the company itself. When you buy stocks you are actually buying a portion of the company. So yea if you wan't to own AMD you have to buy 4 billion worth of stock and you are the owner.
And? You gonna buy 4 b of AMD stock?
Fact is that stocks doesnt represent anythign but speculative value and nothing more.
And you can speculate on that value and bet, just like any other gamble.
Maybe you don't understand that if you own 51% of the stock then you basically own the entire company. Yes once that process begins then the price naturally goes up because there is a sudden demand for such a high quantity. And the other big shareholders don't just sellout that easy either. But however you cut it the stock represents the value of a company. Because owning the stock gives control of the company to whoever owns it.
At 51% you have a controlling interest, but that's not the same thing as owning the entire company. The company still has to be run by a Board of Directors. At 51%, you have a lot of say who gets put on that Board, and you could even have yourself installed on it, but the Board as a committee still sets the policy, the President still runs the day to day, and there's still another 49% out there that may or may not see things your way, not every vote or decision is passed on a simple majority.
If you can convince 75% of stockholders to pass a special resolution and convert the company back to private ownership, then you "own" the company outright. But you also lose the ability to sell shares (and cut off a valuable method of providing your own capital).
Most companies are lucky to have 50% shares represented in their voting at all. But if someone had 51% they can do anything they want with the company. You have to remember that they don't want to piss it all away and there are also laws that prevent them from doing anything crazy like selling out. Stocks represent the value of the company a lot more then you are realizing. That is why facebook is worth so much because its making so much money. It all evolves around the big guns who want to control the company. Without controlling factor then the stocks would be worthless. Owning the company is valuable. If stocks didn't give ownership then they would be worthless.
Most companies are lucky to have 50% shares represented in their voting at all. But if someone had 51% they can do anything they want with the company. You have to remember that they don't want to piss it all away and there are also laws that prevent them from doing anything crazy like selling out.
They can't do anything they want because there are those laws.
With 51% of votes one could choose the company's leadership and gain control on day-to-day business operations, but there are laws that would limit and prevent if they tried to use the company for anything other than producing profit for the company.
If AMD does "fall" it'd be nice to see Nvidia actually absorb their CPU business and intel or someone take over their GPU business. Nvidia has wanted to get into making proper CPUs for years and years now, but they can't as AMD and Intel have a literal stranglehold on the x86/x86_64 licensing and refuse to license to nvidia.
Nvidia would do a lot with their CPU business in all likelihood and might be able to make it work.
I don't see AMDs stock growing around Q1 2017. A lot of the increase in stock is due to the hype surrounding future earnings, not anything proven. So chances are the market has increased the stock price to what it would be if Zen is successful. If it is not successful or an average release, then I expect it to decrease in value.
Stocks are all about hype and lottery. They stopped beng tied to reality long long time ago (as crisis in last 7-8 yeasr has nicely shown when bubbles started bursting)
In fact, stocks are 1:1 copy of gambling.
No they aren't. Stocks are worth money because its a direct correlation to the value of the company itself. When you buy stocks you are actually buying a portion of the company. So yea if you wan't to own AMD you have to buy 4 billion worth of stock and you are the owner.
And? You gonna buy 4 b of AMD stock?
Fact is that stocks doesnt represent anythign but speculative value and nothing more.
And you can speculate on that value and bet, just like any other gamble.
Maybe you don't understand that if you own 51% of the stock then you basically own the entire company. Yes once that process begins then the price naturally goes up because there is a sudden demand for such a high quantity. And the other big shareholders don't just sellout that easy either. But however you cut it the stock represents the value of a company. Because owning the stock gives control of the company to whoever owns it.
At 51% you have a controlling interest, but that's not the same thing as owning the entire company. The company still has to be run by a Board of Directors. At 51%, you have a lot of say who gets put on that Board, and you could even have yourself installed on it, but the Board as a committee still sets the policy, the President still runs the day to day, and there's still another 49% out there that may or may not see things your way, not every vote or decision is passed on a simple majority.
If you can convince 75% of stockholders to pass a special resolution and convert the company back to private ownership, then you "own" the company outright. But you also lose the ability to sell shares (and cut off a valuable method of providing your own capital).
Most companies are lucky to have 50% shares represented in their voting at all. But if someone had 51% they can do anything they want with the company. You have to remember that they don't want to piss it all away and there are also laws that prevent them from doing anything crazy like selling out. Stocks represent the value of the company a lot more then you are realizing. That is why facebook is worth so much because its making so much money. It all evolves around the big guns who want to control the company. Without controlling factor then the stocks would be worthless. Owning the company is valuable. If stocks didn't give ownership then they would be worthless.
So deluded, with 51% you cant do "what you want", not even close rofl And its not even 51% its 50%+1 share.
Anmd there was a company that wanted to take control package, started buying shares and ended up at 49,86% and then state declared they cannot own > 50% and now they can f..k themselves, oh yeah they can sell their shares and lose crapton of money in the process.
Shares are gamble, they odnt represent anything and are based on air. Other matter is that you have no clue what youre talking about.
I read all of this Nvidia vs AMD....when its an AMD thread.
My story is that I started with Nvidia cards. My first was a TNT2RIva followed by a GEforce 3. Then I went for ATI video cards. All was well and good when Athlon64s came out because they were optimized for the Unreal Engine 2.0 and 2.5 and I loved playing Lineage 2 and UT2003/UT2004 way back then. Nothing beats the voice of the original announcer (from the original game) returning in that game...
However, something happened afterwards.. I always thought the whole "Nvidia, the Way its meant to be played" was this huge marketing gimmick and I wanted to beat them over the head with a frying pan, or whatever could give them a Status Effect just for a few turns...
Then it happened... I decided I would map and mod for Unreal Tournament 2003/2004 I thought the optimization was amazing since AMD processors with ATI cards were doing great...
But the opposite happened... I was mapping and modding and a point came where the AMD processor and ATI card just choked on development. Then I learned through the Unreal Developers Network why Nvidia had that crappy slogan...
Nvidia had always promised 60 Frames Per Second along with Physical Processing and Synchronized Audio Processing when Developing Games using the current Engine on a Large Sized Map and up to 30 Frames Per Second on Next Generation Gaming Engines.
I didn't believe in that crap and garbage until my ATI cards in crossfire started heating up a lot and using gaming development programs, they couldn't identify or find hardware physics at the time...
So I went Intel and Nvidia, and finally got an SLI setup and I remember being able to hold 85 FPS (Unreal Engine actually caps at 85 FPS, not 60 FPS.) And of course I could work on large maps with whatever graphics I can throw and I would drop at the time to 64 at most, and only if I truly stressed it would it drop to 30 - 40 FPS. All the conditions Nvidia had + working with Hardware Physics and Advanced Shadows; Nvidia Kept its promise...
I was able to develop with peace of mind.
I found then the following was good:
ATI is great if you are just a gamer and want to just get a decent framerate without paying an Arm and a Leg for a video card, but you might have to buy an aftermarket cooler for your card. Nvidia is expensive because the cards are great all-around cards that allow you to play games + do a little bit of everything else.
Point was.... If you are developing, You need integration, Physics and a ton of things. Heating and Cooling do matter, but you can survive with a 1 on ATI cards since its meant for gamers to play games. However, try to enter development and compete against Nvidia, and it doesn't compete... which is why when ATI cards beat Nvidia in framerates in some games, Its all over the news, all over the presses. Its always about SELLING your STRENGTHS and making the public ignore your weaknesses.
Of course Nvidia cards usually cost more. I currently run on a 980 GTX SLI setup...
As far as processors go, I still rather go Intel for many reasons... However, a lot of people build AMD systems because all they want is to play games and are on a low budget.
I want AMD to one day find a way to remain competitive out there without having to work-around in the markets. Because when AMD did get the upper hand, Intel did spend billions towards demolishing their processors through real competition and consumers got a better product in the end. (This is why we have the processors we have right now)
I don't see AMDs stock growing around Q1 2017. A lot of the increase in stock is due to the hype surrounding future earnings, not anything proven. So chances are the market has increased the stock price to what it would be if Zen is successful. If it is not successful or an average release, then I expect it to decrease in value.
Stocks are all about hype and lottery. They stopped beng tied to reality long long time ago (as crisis in last 7-8 yeasr has nicely shown when bubbles started bursting)
In fact, stocks are 1:1 copy of gambling.
No they aren't. Stocks are worth money because its a direct correlation to the value of the company itself. When you buy stocks you are actually buying a portion of the company. So yea if you wan't to own AMD you have to buy 4 billion worth of stock and you are the owner.
And? You gonna buy 4 b of AMD stock?
Fact is that stocks doesnt represent anythign but speculative value and nothing more.
And you can speculate on that value and bet, just like any other gamble.
Maybe you don't understand that if you own 51% of the stock then you basically own the entire company. Yes once that process begins then the price naturally goes up because there is a sudden demand for such a high quantity. And the other big shareholders don't just sellout that easy either. But however you cut it the stock represents the value of a company. Because owning the stock gives control of the company to whoever owns it.
At 51% you have a controlling interest, but that's not the same thing as owning the entire company. The company still has to be run by a Board of Directors. At 51%, you have a lot of say who gets put on that Board, and you could even have yourself installed on it, but the Board as a committee still sets the policy, the President still runs the day to day, and there's still another 49% out there that may or may not see things your way, not every vote or decision is passed on a simple majority.
If you can convince 75% of stockholders to pass a special resolution and convert the company back to private ownership, then you "own" the company outright. But you also lose the ability to sell shares (and cut off a valuable method of providing your own capital).
Most companies are lucky to have 50% shares represented in their voting at all. But if someone had 51% they can do anything they want with the company. You have to remember that they don't want to piss it all away and there are also laws that prevent them from doing anything crazy like selling out. Stocks represent the value of the company a lot more then you are realizing. That is why facebook is worth so much because its making so much money. It all evolves around the big guns who want to control the company. Without controlling factor then the stocks would be worthless. Owning the company is valuable. If stocks didn't give ownership then they would be worthless.
So deluded, with 51% you cant do "what you want", not even close rofl And its not even 51% its 50%+1 share.
Anmd there was a company that wanted to take control package, started buying shares and ended up at 49,86% and then state declared they cannot own > 50% and now they can f..k themselves, oh yeah they can sell their shares and lose crapton of money in the process.
Shares are gamble, they odnt represent anything and are based on air. Other matter is that you have no clue what youre talking about.
Your own argument contradicts what you are trying to say. Why would the state stop them from buying over 50%? Because they know it would give them full control of the company and they will more then likely shut it down or sell it or slowly chop it up and divide the spoils. Again I say. The only reason stocks are worth anything is because it gives ownership of a company. You think some dude is going to throw 4 billion at a company then crap it away and lose all his money? No, If someone has the ability to purchase 4 billion shares then you can bet your ass they aren't going to just let some dude with 1 billion interest run the show. They do have 4 billion in the company. They do not want that value to decrease they want it to increase. I guess noone here knows of companies like the one that just bought SOE and chopped it up and downsized. That is what happens when someone takes over 50% shares. They take over the company.
Here is a perfect example. This dude becomes the director of the board on Blizzard simply because he purchased enough shares. And it was 23%. Not very many companies even have 50% interest on the board. But if you can get 1 person to own that much then yes they can pretty much do whatever they want.
but Apple fanbois will SWEAR iOS is "best and most stable platform"
Actually quite the contrary. You are the one that comes off as a fanboy for one as far as video cards go as you are trashing Nvidia users as morons and have no real basis for that statement other than "hurr durr I like AMD cards better. A - the video you linked quite literally shows him putting thin deli meats and easily melted cheeses on the thing and he isn't even melting the shit, he left the cheese out and it is softer than normal as you can actually see when he puts it on the thing... also the meat isn't "cooking" so much as warming.
Lets also get into the fact that AMD cards have historically run hotter. Just because a dude chose to put stuff on top of his video card doesn't really show it is "hot" as the heat would of shut off the card if it were at a dangerous point most of which are going to be well below 90c as the 480 is usually around 80c under load unless you let a shit ton of dust build up, you can point evidence to a singular card that someone was clearly fucking around with (the thermal threshold for a 480 is 105C which is slightly under low on a stove top heat wise) and the 480 was also the hottest card Nvidia made and they have since improved their thermals quite a bit. AMD on the other hand have made processors and video cards that can literally heat up a room due to the amount of heat they put off (and I know people that quite literally use them as mini space heaters)
Also iphone's may fail more often, but that doesn't mean that iOS has a high fail rate just that the phones themselves have issues and I despise iOS. Also his post points out valid reasons for a dislike as far as AMD/ATI related stuff goes and this ends up the norm with a lot of things that are out in the wild. AMD is really trying to push a gamer heavy end of things, but they do tend to lack the drivers and optimizations for doing the developmental end of things which is why a lot of game developer boxes tend to rely on Nvidia with AMD rigs for potential testing internally to make sure they don't have a huge issue with those cards. Most games don't utilize AMD specific things for good reason and AMD has done very very little to actually build a relationship with game developers.
Nvidia also for a long while has had a better driver situation and this was particularly shown when dealing with any sort of openGL based application/game where AMD's drivers would often (and can still choke up). AMD also admitted to having worse DirectX 11 performance than Nvidia. AMD has however pulled ahead at the moment with DX12 and Vulkan performance as far as games go. We'll see where the future goes,but AMD does need to do something to survive.
I dont believe this. "historically AMD cards run hotter" is SO wrong that its hilarious, until MAxwell NVidia ran hotter and more power hungry, but that was not imprtant, right, and we have people like you who want to rewrite history. You have PLENTY of cooking videos with NVidia and you STILL deny it like only a TRUE fanboi would, especailly since you havent owned AMD card since 2000. And even back then AMD cards were kicking NVidias butt, like revilutionary 9800pro (and rest of the cards of those times).
OGL is failed API and thats why it pretty much wasnt used by anyone and thats why Vulkan replaced it. And guess what, Vulkan is Mantle reborn, AMDs own API lol, please tell us more about how "advanced" NVidia is.
I don't see AMDs stock growing around Q1 2017. A lot of the increase in stock is due to the hype surrounding future earnings, not anything proven. So chances are the market has increased the stock price to what it would be if Zen is successful. If it is not successful or an average release, then I expect it to decrease in value.
Stocks are all about hype and lottery. They stopped beng tied to reality long long time ago (as crisis in last 7-8 yeasr has nicely shown when bubbles started bursting)
In fact, stocks are 1:1 copy of gambling.
No they aren't. Stocks are worth money because its a direct correlation to the value of the company itself. When you buy stocks you are actually buying a portion of the company. So yea if you wan't to own AMD you have to buy 4 billion worth of stock and you are the owner.
And? You gonna buy 4 b of AMD stock?
Fact is that stocks doesnt represent anythign but speculative value and nothing more.
And you can speculate on that value and bet, just like any other gamble.
Maybe you don't understand that if you own 51% of the stock then you basically own the entire company. Yes once that process begins then the price naturally goes up because there is a sudden demand for such a high quantity. And the other big shareholders don't just sellout that easy either. But however you cut it the stock represents the value of a company. Because owning the stock gives control of the company to whoever owns it.
At 51% you have a controlling interest, but that's not the same thing as owning the entire company. The company still has to be run by a Board of Directors. At 51%, you have a lot of say who gets put on that Board, and you could even have yourself installed on it, but the Board as a committee still sets the policy, the President still runs the day to day, and there's still another 49% out there that may or may not see things your way, not every vote or decision is passed on a simple majority.
If you can convince 75% of stockholders to pass a special resolution and convert the company back to private ownership, then you "own" the company outright. But you also lose the ability to sell shares (and cut off a valuable method of providing your own capital).
Most companies are lucky to have 50% shares represented in their voting at all. But if someone had 51% they can do anything they want with the company. You have to remember that they don't want to piss it all away and there are also laws that prevent them from doing anything crazy like selling out. Stocks represent the value of the company a lot more then you are realizing. That is why facebook is worth so much because its making so much money. It all evolves around the big guns who want to control the company. Without controlling factor then the stocks would be worthless. Owning the company is valuable. If stocks didn't give ownership then they would be worthless.
So deluded, with 51% you cant do "what you want", not even close rofl And its not even 51% its 50%+1 share.
Anmd there was a company that wanted to take control package, started buying shares and ended up at 49,86% and then state declared they cannot own > 50% and now they can f..k themselves, oh yeah they can sell their shares and lose crapton of money in the process.
Shares are gamble, they odnt represent anything and are based on air. Other matter is that you have no clue what youre talking about.
Your own argument contradicts what you are trying to say. Why would the state stop them from buying over 50%? Because they know it would give them full control of the company and they will more then likely shut it down or sell it or slowly chop it up and divide the spoils. Again I say. The only reason stocks are worth anything is because it gives ownership of a company. You think some dude is going to throw 4 billion at a company then crap it away and lose all his money? No, If someone has the ability to purchase 4 billion shares then you can bet your ass they aren't going to just let some dude with 1 billion interest run the show. They do have 4 billion in the company. They do not want that value to decrease they want it to increase. I guess noone here knows of companies like the one that just bought SOE and chopped it up and downsized. That is what happens when someone takes over 50% shares. They take over the company.
Here is a perfect example. This dude becomes the director of the board on Blizzard simply because he purchased enough shares. And it was 23%. Not very many companies even have 50% interest on the board. But if you can get 1 person to own that much then yes they can pretty much do whatever they want.
Regardless of all their potential and all their new contracts. They need to start making money. Something that has yet to happen. Even their last quarter they made less money because of their console sales. So hopefully we can actually see a profit this quarter.
Regardless of all their potential and all their new contracts. They need to start making money. Something that has yet to happen. Even their last quarter they made less money because of their console sales. So hopefully we can actually see a profit this quarter.
This quarter isn't the key, as AMD's future is based on Zen, not on the products out today. It's when they have a full quarter of Zen server CPUs shipping for revenue that is the key. If they aren't profitable then (at least apart from some large, one-time write-down), then AMD is in big trouble.
Regardless of all their potential and all their new contracts. They need to start making money. Something that has yet to happen. Even their last quarter they made less money because of their console sales. So hopefully we can actually see a profit this quarter.
This quarter isn't the key, as AMD's future is based on Zen, not on the products out today. It's when they have a full quarter of Zen server CPUs shipping for revenue that is the key. If they aren't profitable then (at least apart from some large, one-time write-down), then AMD is in big trouble.
Yea thats the thing. At some point the money needs to outweigh the cost of production. It is possible they are underbidding these contracts and end up spending more then they can make from it. Last quarter is a big eye opener because that was their console production quarter. Hopefully this quarter they will see a positive because maybe we can see some income from the consoles without all the extra cost of production that happened last quarter. They are running on hype and future deals right now and have been for a year.
There's a big difference between owning a company, and just pretty well getting what you want most of the time.
That difference is getting your way when no one else agrees with you. It's easy to pretty well get your way when you always choose the popular option anyway. That doesn't mean you have any measure of control over anything though.
Stop fanboying and hope for some decent competition between AMD and NVidia. So that nvidia cant keep asking stupid prices for their cards. For us as customer there is nothing to gain if one of those two manages to crush the other.
I never get it why people become fans of some commercial company.
Its a sad day when people don't even know that owning 51% shares of a company gives them full controll. Here read this if you are confused. When I say full control. It is within the law. You can't shoot and rob people simply because you own a gun. Whereas you own the company and can do pretty much whatever you want within the guidelines of the law.
There are other complications, in that sometimes some shares grant more voting rights than others.
Yea there's a whole ton of different variances when it comes to public owned companies. Some of them don't allow any kind of decision making or voting from low end shareholders. They are run by boards who are selected by the shareholders and those members have to own a certain % to be on that board. The boards have bylaws in which they are allowed to operate the company and if they wish to do anything outside of the bylaws then they have to have a shareholder meeting. They can also setup so it takes more then 51% votes for certain decisions to be made. But this is debatable because it wouldn't hold up in court if push came to shove.
Its a sad day when people don't even know that owning 51% shares of a company gives them full controll. Here read this if you are confused. When I say full control. It is within the law. You can't shoot and rob people simply because you own a gun. Whereas you own the company and can do pretty much whatever you want within the guidelines of the law.
Its a sad day when people don't even know that owning 51% shares of a company gives them full controll. Here read this if you are confused. When I say full control. It is within the law. You can't shoot and rob people simply because you own a gun. Whereas you own the company and can do pretty much whatever you want within the guidelines of the law.
conrol is FAR FAR away from "doing whatever you want" as you calimed. Juat admit you were wrong and move on, youre just embarassing yourself.
And quit assuming that someone is willing to just throw away 5 billion dollars. I mean it is common sense that if someone gets 51% shares then they aren't going to just make a bunch of moves that drive the company in the ground and he loses all the money. I mean when you buy a car and say I can do whatever I want with it. We all assume you are talking about reasonable ownership of that car and not some suicide attack on the local gas station. And he can pretty much do anything any privately owned business owner can do. He can fire who he wishes and hire who he wishes. He can pay how much he wishes. You can gurantee that if he acts like that then he just wasted 5 billion dollars so he can play around with pocket change.
Its a sad day when people don't even know that owning 51% shares of a company gives them full controll. Here read this if you are confused. When I say full control. It is within the law. You can't shoot and rob people simply because you own a gun. Whereas you own the company and can do pretty much whatever you want within the guidelines of the law.
conrol is FAR FAR away from "doing whatever you want" as you calimed. Juat admit you were wrong and move on, youre just embarassing yourself.
And quit assuming that someone is willing to just throw away 5 billion dollars. I mean it is common sense that if someone gets 51% shares then they aren't going to just make a bunch of moves that drive the company in the ground and he loses all the money. I mean when you buy a car and say I can do whatever I want with it. We all assume you are talking about reasonable ownership of that car and not some suicide attack on the local gas station. And he can pretty much do anything any privately owned business owner can do. He can fire who he wishes and hire who he wishes. He can pay how much he wishes. You can gurantee that if he acts like that then he just wasted 5 billion dollars so he can play around with pocket change.
Its a sad day when people don't even know that owning 51% shares of a company gives them full controll. Here read this if you are confused. When I say full control. It is within the law. You can't shoot and rob people simply because you own a gun. Whereas you own the company and can do pretty much whatever you want within the guidelines of the law.
conrol is FAR FAR away from "doing whatever you want" as you calimed. Juat admit you were wrong and move on, youre just embarassing yourself.
And quit assuming that someone is willing to just throw away 5 billion dollars. I mean it is common sense that if someone gets 51% shares then they aren't going to just make a bunch of moves that drive the company in the ground and he loses all the money. I mean when you buy a car and say I can do whatever I want with it. We all assume you are talking about reasonable ownership of that car and not some suicide attack on the local gas station. And he can pretty much do anything any privately owned business owner can do. He can fire who he wishes and hire who he wishes. He can pay how much he wishes. You can gurantee that if he acts like that then he just wasted 5 billion dollars so he can play around with pocket change.
Its a sad day when people don't even know that owning 51% shares of a company gives them full controll. Here read this if you are confused. When I say full control. It is within the law. You can't shoot and rob people simply because you own a gun. Whereas you own the company and can do pretty much whatever you want within the guidelines of the law.
conrol is FAR FAR away from "doing whatever you want" as you calimed. Juat admit you were wrong and move on, youre just embarassing yourself.
And quit assuming that someone is willing to just throw away 5 billion dollars. I mean it is common sense that if someone gets 51% shares then they aren't going to just make a bunch of moves that drive the company in the ground and he loses all the money. I mean when you buy a car and say I can do whatever I want with it. We all assume you are talking about reasonable ownership of that car and not some suicide attack on the local gas station. And he can pretty much do anything any privately owned business owner can do. He can fire who he wishes and hire who he wishes. He can pay how much he wishes. You can gurantee that if he acts like that then he just wasted 5 billion dollars so he can play around with pocket change.
What in the world does 51% have to do with $5B, and what does any of that have to do with AMD?
Dude is so far off the deep end he's made my ignore list ><
Sorry you don't understand and probably shouldn't be involved with conversations in which you have no clue. Especially when you decide to insult the people talking.
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With 51% of votes one could choose the company's leadership and gain control on day-to-day business operations, but there are laws that would limit and prevent if they tried to use the company for anything other than producing profit for the company.
Nvidia would do a lot with their CPU business in all likelihood and might be able to make it work.
Anmd there was a company that wanted to take control package, started buying shares and ended up at 49,86% and then state declared they cannot own > 50% and now they can f..k themselves, oh yeah they can sell their shares and lose crapton of money in the process.
Shares are gamble, they odnt represent anything and are based on air. Other matter is that you have no clue what youre talking about.
My story is that I started with Nvidia cards. My first was a TNT2RIva followed by a GEforce 3. Then I went for ATI video cards. All was well and good when Athlon64s came out because they were optimized for the Unreal Engine 2.0 and 2.5 and I loved playing Lineage 2 and UT2003/UT2004 way back then. Nothing beats the voice of the original announcer (from the original game) returning in that game...
However, something happened afterwards..
I always thought the whole "Nvidia, the Way its meant to be played" was this huge marketing gimmick and I wanted to beat them over the head with a frying pan, or whatever could give them a Status Effect just for a few turns...
Then it happened...
I decided I would map and mod for Unreal Tournament 2003/2004
I thought the optimization was amazing since AMD processors with ATI cards were doing great...
But the opposite happened...
I was mapping and modding and a point came where the AMD processor and ATI card just choked on development. Then I learned through the Unreal Developers Network why Nvidia had that crappy slogan...
Nvidia had always promised 60 Frames Per Second along with Physical Processing and Synchronized Audio Processing when Developing Games using the current Engine on a Large Sized Map and up to 30 Frames Per Second on Next Generation Gaming Engines.
I didn't believe in that crap and garbage until my ATI cards in crossfire started heating up a lot and using gaming development programs, they couldn't identify or find hardware physics at the time...
So I went Intel and Nvidia, and finally got an SLI setup and I remember being able to hold 85 FPS (Unreal Engine actually caps at 85 FPS, not 60 FPS.) And of course I could work on large maps with whatever graphics I can throw and I would drop at the time to 64 at most, and only if I truly stressed it would it drop to 30 - 40 FPS. All the conditions Nvidia had + working with Hardware Physics and Advanced Shadows; Nvidia Kept its promise...
I was able to develop with peace of mind.
I found then the following was good:
ATI is great if you are just a gamer and want to just get a decent framerate without paying an Arm and a Leg for a video card, but you might have to buy an aftermarket cooler for your card. Nvidia is expensive because the cards are great all-around cards that allow you to play games + do a little bit of everything else.
Generally ATI cards would receive stuff like
Gaming Framerate: 4 - 5
Advanced Graphic Features: 3 - 4
Development Features: 1
Synchronization/Integration: 1
Heat and Cooling(back then): 1
So yeah, they are good in Gaming...
But Nvidia Cards would get stuff like
Gaming Framerate: 4 - 5
Advanced Graphic Features: 4 - 5
Development Features: 5
Synchronization/Integration: 4 - 5
Heat and Cooling: 3 - 4
Point was....
If you are developing, You need integration, Physics and a ton of things. Heating and Cooling do matter, but you can survive with a 1 on ATI cards since its meant for gamers to play games. However, try to enter development and compete against Nvidia, and it doesn't compete... which is why when ATI cards beat Nvidia in framerates in some games, Its all over the news, all over the presses. Its always about SELLING your STRENGTHS and making the public ignore your weaknesses.
Of course Nvidia cards usually cost more.
I currently run on a 980 GTX SLI setup...
As far as processors go, I still rather go Intel for many reasons...
However, a lot of people build AMD systems because all they want is to play games and are on a low budget.
I want AMD to one day find a way to remain competitive out there without having to work-around in the markets. Because when AMD did get the upper hand, Intel did spend billions towards demolishing their processors through real competition and consumers got a better product in the end. (This is why we have the processors we have right now)
"Heat and Cooling: 3 - 4"
that pretty much sums up your WHOLE post in a nice visual manner LOL
or you forgot to mention "1" is best and "5" is worst
Nvidia cards "cost more" because morons keep throwing money down the toilet, similar to Apple.
http://wccftech.com/iphone-higher-failure-rate-compared-android-study-shows/
but Apple fanbois will SWEAR iOS is "best and most stable platform"
Here is a perfect example. This dude becomes the director of the board on Blizzard simply because he purchased enough shares. And it was 23%. Not very many companies even have 50% interest on the board. But if you can get 1 person to own that much then yes they can pretty much do whatever they want.
http://insiders.morningstar.com/insiders/trading/executive-profile.action?PersonId=PS00001CDP&flag=Director&insider=Robert_Kotick&t=0P00000053®ion=usa&culture=en-US&cur=
Lets also get into the fact that AMD cards have historically run hotter. Just because a dude chose to put stuff on top of his video card doesn't really show it is "hot" as the heat would of shut off the card if it were at a dangerous point most of which are going to be well below 90c as the 480 is usually around 80c under load unless you let a shit ton of dust build up, you can point evidence to a singular card that someone was clearly fucking around with (the thermal threshold for a 480 is 105C which is slightly under low on a stove top heat wise) and the 480 was also the hottest card Nvidia made and they have since improved their thermals quite a bit. AMD on the other hand have made processors and video cards that can literally heat up a room due to the amount of heat they put off (and I know people that quite literally use them as mini space heaters)
Also iphone's may fail more often, but that doesn't mean that iOS has a high fail rate just that the phones themselves have issues and I despise iOS. Also his post points out valid reasons for a dislike as far as AMD/ATI related stuff goes and this ends up the norm with a lot of things that are out in the wild. AMD is really trying to push a gamer heavy end of things, but they do tend to lack the drivers and optimizations for doing the developmental end of things which is why a lot of game developer boxes tend to rely on Nvidia with AMD rigs for potential testing internally to make sure they don't have a huge issue with those cards. Most games don't utilize AMD specific things for good reason and AMD has done very very little to actually build a relationship with game developers.
Nvidia also for a long while has had a better driver situation and this was particularly shown when dealing with any sort of openGL based application/game where AMD's drivers would often (and can still choke up). AMD also admitted to having worse DirectX 11 performance than Nvidia. AMD has however pulled ahead at the moment with DX12 and Vulkan performance as far as games go. We'll see where the future goes,but AMD does need to do something to survive.
OGL is failed API and thats why it pretty much wasnt used by anyone and thats why Vulkan replaced it. And guess what, Vulkan is Mantle reborn, AMDs own API lol, please tell us more about how "advanced" NVidia is.
Deluded people are the worst.
your posts are so laughable. Its really hialrious to read them.
That difference is getting your way when no one else agrees with you. It's easy to pretty well get your way when you always choose the popular option anyway. That doesn't mean you have any measure of control over anything though.
I never get it why people become fans of some commercial company.
https://www.quora.com/If-you-own-more-than-51-of-stock-and-you-are-the-CEO-of-a-venture-invested-company-with-board-members-technically-they-can-fire-you-but-since-you-own-the-most-stock-would-you-be-able-to-put-yourself-back-in-charge
What in the world does 51% have to do with $5B, and what does any of that have to do with AMD?
Dude is so far off the deep end he's made my ignore list ><