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Seems like Dark and light might be the game YOU guys been waiting for

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  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    Is that Chinese hanzi I see?




    It's actually a chinese game, SnailGames are from china.

    I guess you think any thing asian comes from korea. 
    I guess you think it being Chinese and Snail Games makes a difference... edited for your viewing pleasure and comprehension.
    "As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*" 

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • AxehiltAxehilt Member RarePosts: 10,504
    edited September 2016
    And the whole point was that I don't see how you would compare this to games made on shoe string budgets and no experience like the games you mentioned.  This with seemingly good production and lack of you playing. 

    Then it went into the assumption with your heavy pro-WoW bend that you assume any sandbox is crap.  You going into shitty game are shitty games. Did I miss anything?  Someone coming in at the end cheer leading you?

    Games that have real budgets aren't delayed so long (10 years?) that they need to switch engines.  Games which are developed that slow lack budgets, and are very likely never to release at all (because in 5-10 more years when they've slowing finally created their game, their graphics will again look super dated).

    I didn't assume any sandbox is crap.  You assumed I meant that when I said we don't need another awful sandbox MMORPG.  We don't need another awful fast food restaurant either, but stating that fact doesn't mean I believe all restaurants serve crappy food.

    Try logic.  Seriously, just give it a try sometime. You'll find your posts are better when you put some actual logical thought into them.

    "What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver

  • Vermillion_RaventhalVermillion_Raventhal Member EpicPosts: 4,198
    Axehilt said:
    And the whole point was that I don't see how you would compare this to games made on shoe string budgets and no experience like the games you mentioned.  This with seemingly good production and lack of you playing. 

    Then it went into the assumption with your heavy pro-WoW bend that you assume any sandbox is crap.  You going into shitty game are shitty games. Did I miss anything?  Someone coming in at the end cheer leading you?

    Games that have real budgets aren't delayed so long (10 years?) that they need to switch engines.  Games which are developed that slow lack budgets, and are very likely never to release at all (because in 5-10 more years when they've slowing finally created their game, their graphics will again look super dated).

    I didn't assume any sandbox is crap.  You assumed I meant that when I said we don't need another awful sandbox MMORPG.  We don't need another awful fast food restaurant either, but stating that fact doesn't mean I believe all restaurants serve crappy food.

    Try logic.  Seriously, just give it a try sometime. You'll find your posts are better when you put some actual logical thought into them.
    The game wasn't delayed.  It was released and closed under legal issues I believe.  It was bought and then remade.  You can also go on appearances to know this isn't a Darkfall or Mortal Online.  

    So a reasonable quality game(from what has been shown) made by a known developer unplayed is thrown in with amatuer developer no budget games.  Knowing your previous history on posting about WoW and sandboxes logical reason is to assume you're panning the game because its a sandbox.  

    There is no other reason on the surface.  You gave no reason why it was bad.  I am sure I am not he only one to come to that conclusions. That is the logical conclusion. 




  • JippiijooJippiijoo Member UncommonPosts: 100
    Very interested in this game returning, all i hope is that the combat really is aim based, i count ESO, Tera, BDO etc to be pretty much same as tab+target combat, nobody ever misses their attacks in those games and out aiming and being accurate is not needed, so dunno that article didint specify if it would be the same old action combat poorness as the games i mentioned before, but in case i will be trying the game out just because it is Dark And Light (also wish their homepage would be opened already) 
  • DeivosDeivos Member EpicPosts: 3,692
    Axehilt said:
    And the whole point was that I don't see how you would compare this to games made on shoe string budgets and no experience like the games you mentioned.  This with seemingly good production and lack of you playing. 

    Then it went into the assumption with your heavy pro-WoW bend that you assume any sandbox is crap.  You going into shitty game are shitty games. Did I miss anything?  Someone coming in at the end cheer leading you?

    Games that have real budgets aren't delayed so long (10 years?) that they need to switch engines.  Games which are developed that slow lack budgets, and are very likely never to release at all (because in 5-10 more years when they've slowing finally created their game, their graphics will again look super dated).

    I didn't assume any sandbox is crap.  You assumed I meant that when I said we don't need another awful sandbox MMORPG.  We don't need another awful fast food restaurant either, but stating that fact doesn't mean I believe all restaurants serve crappy food.

    Try logic.  Seriously, just give it a try sometime. You'll find your posts are better when you put some actual logical thought into them.
    "Logic" completely passed you by on this one dude.

    You have made massive suppositions about this game's development cycle that simply aren't true, that entire first statement of yours is false for example. The game has not been in a ten year development cycle, it actually released back in 2006. After it's shutdown in 2008 following a lawsuit against the original developer for software counterfeit, the publisher (Farlan Entertainment) took the IP and pawned it off on SnailGame Entertainment who has since then tinkered with the original a bit, but shelved it until in the last few years where they started to build a new version of the game. 

    And the rest of your statement just falls under a prior posted comment;

    "Does that mean people should stop attempting to make sandbox titles? By no means does it justify that opinion of yours. You can tack on the phrase "awful" if you want, but the reality is that not every developer is the same and not every design succeeds or fails for the same reasons. 

    You need to have flexibility in developing different types of sandbox MMOs and that does mean producing quite a few duds in the process. That's the nature of innovation when you're seeking out new mechanics that will work, can only weed out the ones that don't work through discovery and reason. So what is "another awful game" to you is from a rational perspective another step in development of a different and better title down the line."

    If you really wanted to advocate logic then the least you could have done is look up the development history of the title so that anyone vetting your statements wouldn't find you kicking about complete misinformation.

    "The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay

    "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin

  • AxehiltAxehilt Member RarePosts: 10,504
    The game wasn't delayed.  It was released and closed under legal issues I believe.  It was bought and then remade.  You can also go on appearances to know this isn't a Darkfall or Mortal Online.  

    So a reasonable quality game(from what has been shown) made by a known developer unplayed is thrown in with amatuer developer no budget games.  Knowing your previous history on posting about WoW and sandboxes logical reason is to assume you're panning the game because its a sandbox.  

    There is no other reason on the surface.  You gave no reason why it was bad.  I am sure I am not he only one to come to that conclusions. That is the logical conclusion. 

    I'm criticizing the game because nothing of substance is shown, and because presumably the same developers as the video someone linked are responsible for this game too.  If you're easily fooled by 2-3 screenshots and the same vague promises that all sandbox style games have made, then sure buy into that hype.  But right from Reply 1 someone already called out the article as being a vague marketing brochure.

    You don't know my posting history if you think I'm against all sandboxes.  Try reading and understanding for a change.

    "What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver

  • ElminzterElminzter Member UncommonPosts: 285
    imo, its snail the company that we should beware of, with their shady biz practises, u know the mantra customer is always right and customer is king, well for snail the opposite is true once they take your money lmao...

    my 2 cents
  • DeivosDeivos Member EpicPosts: 3,692
    edited September 2016
    Axehilt said:
    The game wasn't delayed.  It was released and closed under legal issues I believe.  It was bought and then remade.  You can also go on appearances to know this isn't a Darkfall or Mortal Online.  

    So a reasonable quality game(from what has been shown) made by a known developer unplayed is thrown in with amatuer developer no budget games.  Knowing your previous history on posting about WoW and sandboxes logical reason is to assume you're panning the game because its a sandbox.  

    There is no other reason on the surface.  You gave no reason why it was bad.  I am sure I am not he only one to come to that conclusions. That is the logical conclusion. 

    I'm criticizing the game because nothing of substance is shown, and because presumably the same developers as the video someone linked are responsible for this game too.  If you're easily fooled by 2-3 screenshots and the same vague promises that all sandbox style games have made, then sure buy into that hype.  But right from Reply 1 someone already called out the article as being a vague marketing brochure.

    You don't know my posting history if you think I'm against all sandboxes.  Try reading and understanding for a change.
    That video was of the old game (2006-2008) which was made by the old developer not the new one. You have now made an additional statement about the title without doing any even cursory research. Vet your sources before spouting nonsense.

    Certainly the game is a vague advertisement more than anything else. However, that does not change the rather unwarranted bias you displayed in your commentary and it does not invalidate the points that have been made against your statements.

    Your posting history is pretty clear when it comes to your bias in favor of heavily scripted and narrow theme-park user experiences. The bias against pressing for title variety and experimentation is also quite often on display, and is part of the problem here.

    There is a reason for the phrase "you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs". There are plenty of duds made in all genres, and that is because not all games are made in the same manner, with the same features, same budget, same etc. They possess variety and every time one has to judge whether the results are the right mix in quality to be a good user experience.

    And hence the point, you have to work your way through production of the duds until you strike upon a good feature-set and quality title for the market to accept. So to say they shouldn't develop this game is in part to first hate it prematurely (for the very same reason you give for saying one shouldn't buy into it), and an statement in favor of stifling any potential progress in the genre as a whole.

    "The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay

    "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin

  • SavageHorizonSavageHorizon Member EpicPosts: 3,480
    Axehilt said:
    The game wasn't delayed.  It was released and closed under legal issues I believe.  It was bought and then remade.  You can also go on appearances to know this isn't a Darkfall or Mortal Online.  

    So a reasonable quality game(from what has been shown) made by a known developer unplayed is thrown in with amatuer developer no budget games.  Knowing your previous history on posting about WoW and sandboxes logical reason is to assume you're panning the game because its a sandbox.  

    There is no other reason on the surface.  You gave no reason why it was bad.  I am sure I am not he only one to come to that conclusions. That is the logical conclusion. 

    I'm criticizing the game because nothing of substance is shown, and because presumably the same developers as the video someone linked are responsible for this game too.  If you're easily fooled by 2-3 screenshots and the same vague promises that all sandbox style games have made, then sure buy into that hype.  But right from Reply 1 someone already called out the article as being a vague marketing brochure.

    You don't know my posting history if you think I'm against all sandboxes.  Try reading and understanding for a change.

    Are you thick seriously? 

    How mang times do you need to be told that this is not the same dev team. At least do your homework before you spout your nonsence 




  • DztBlkDztBlk Member UncommonPosts: 127
    I still don't know much about the game.  It's action combat (ok), numerous races and classes...oh magic and dragons.  Sounds very familiar.  That's about all I know unless someone else has access to more info. 
  • GolelornGolelorn Member RarePosts: 1,395
    I have little faith in the developer. They've only brought us f2p trash, so far.
  • Walkyier70Walkyier70 Member UncommonPosts: 67
    this would be fantastic if snail wasnt behind it .
  • EldurianEldurian Member EpicPosts: 2,736
    Back when I was playing Freelancer I had an idea for the game I always wanted. It was called Freelancer 2. I wanted multi-man ships where people could man turrets. No levels or classes like the original. A more detailed / larger universe and economy. FPS combat for control of ships and planets. Real exploration etc.

    Unlike some people I'm not going to flip out just because an extremely detailed and complex MMO is taking a few years to get going and some guy with the ironic last name of Smart who's never made a successful game is preaching doom and gloom. Especially when I'm seeing consistent progress being made in creating more and more content and I can even log on and test it. 

    The game I have always wanted isn't called Freelancer 2 but it's made by the same guy who developed Freelancer, and I still have a lot of hope for what they'll be able to deliver over the next few years.
  • DeivosDeivos Member EpicPosts: 3,692
    Did you mean to post that in a different thread?

    "The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay

    "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin

  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Axehilt said:
    The game wasn't delayed.  It was released and closed under legal issues I believe.  It was bought and then remade.  You can also go on appearances to know this isn't a Darkfall or Mortal Online.  

    So a reasonable quality game(from what has been shown) made by a known developer unplayed is thrown in with amatuer developer no budget games.  Knowing your previous history on posting about WoW and sandboxes logical reason is to assume you're panning the game because its a sandbox.  

    There is no other reason on the surface.  You gave no reason why it was bad.  I am sure I am not he only one to come to that conclusions. That is the logical conclusion. 

    I'm criticizing the game because nothing of substance is shown, and because presumably the same developers as the video someone linked are responsible for this game too.  If you're easily fooled by 2-3 screenshots and the same vague promises that all sandbox style games have made, then sure buy into that hype.  But right from Reply 1 someone already called out the article as being a vague marketing brochure.

    You don't know my posting history if you think I'm against all sandboxes.  Try reading and understanding for a change.

    Are you thick seriously? 

    How mang times do you need to be told that this is not the same dev team. At least do your homework before you spout your nonsence 
    Dark and Light is an odd game for a company to 'raise from the dead' and it was dead, it may have released, but i do hope nobody is suggesting it was a finished game even then, it will be interesting to see what a new development team does with it, but honestly, the game is so dated now that i wonder why anyone would even bother, new engine, new graphics, they might just as well be designing a game from scratch.
    Is Snail Games even big enough to handle that kind of a thing? or will they just give it the once over, reskins etc. a bit like a chop shop where they bolt together a couple of wrecks and give it a nice new paint job, and hope nobody notices the welds. :o
    Am i the only one thinking this is just going to be a quick cash grab attempt? I mean, i hope i am wrong, but lately, thats what seems to be happening.
  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Agreed with @Phry... when it sounds too good to be true, it most of the time IS too good to be true.
    I'll be very cautious with this one, keep my expectations low, and I won't give that game a cent of my money before I played it in a beta or other and found out by myself that it's good (or not).
    Exactly, i don't pre-order, too many games now, they either stall in beta, magically evaporate, or are not the games that they were advertised as being.
    Somestimes i wonder if E3 is some kind of poker game for developers, where they are seeing who can pull off the biggest bluff. O.o
  • Vermillion_RaventhalVermillion_Raventhal Member EpicPosts: 4,198
    Phry said:
    Axehilt said:
    The game wasn't delayed.  It was released and closed under legal issues I believe.  It was bought and then remade.  You can also go on appearances to know this isn't a Darkfall or Mortal Online.  

    So a reasonable quality game(from what has been shown) made by a known developer unplayed is thrown in with amatuer developer no budget games.  Knowing your previous history on posting about WoW and sandboxes logical reason is to assume you're panning the game because its a sandbox.  

    There is no other reason on the surface.  You gave no reason why it was bad.  I am sure I am not he only one to come to that conclusions. That is the logical conclusion. 

    I'm criticizing the game because nothing of substance is shown, and because presumably the same developers as the video someone linked are responsible for this game too.  If you're easily fooled by 2-3 screenshots and the same vague promises that all sandbox style games have made, then sure buy into that hype.  But right from Reply 1 someone already called out the article as being a vague marketing brochure.

    You don't know my posting history if you think I'm against all sandboxes.  Try reading and understanding for a change.

    Are you thick seriously? 

    How mang times do you need to be told that this is not the same dev team. At least do your homework before you spout your nonsence 
    Dark and Light is an odd game for a company to 'raise from the dead' and it was dead, it may have released, but i do hope nobody is suggesting it was a finished game even then, it will be interesting to see what a new development team does with it, but honestly, the game is so dated now that i wonder why anyone would even bother, new engine, new graphics, they might just as well be designing a game from scratch.
    Is Snail Games even big enough to handle that kind of a thing? or will they just give it the once over, reskins etc. a bit like a chop shop where they bolt together a couple of wrecks and give it a nice new paint job, and hope nobody notices the welds. :o
    Am i the only one thinking this is just going to be a quick cash grab attempt? I mean, i hope i am wrong, but lately, thats what seems to be happening.
    I don't think its an odd game to remake.  Someone liked the spirit of the game enough to buy it. So obviously they see potential in what it was trying to do even if it failed.  
  • SavageHorizonSavageHorizon Member EpicPosts: 3,480
    edited September 2016
    Phry said:
    Agreed with @Phry... when it sounds too good to be true, it most of the time IS too good to be true.
    I'll be very cautious with this one, keep my expectations low, and I won't give that game a cent of my money before I played it in a beta or other and found out by myself that it's good (or not).
    Exactly, i don't pre-order, too many games now, they either stall in beta, magically evaporate, or are not the games that they were advertised as being.
    Somestimes i wonder if E3 is some kind of poker game for developers, where they are seeing who can pull off the biggest bluff. O.o


    The game wasn't shown at E3, where did you get that info from.  It was shown at ChinaJoy. 



    Farland Entertainment was dead along with Dnl in the west.  Savage Horizon wasn't dead in China which is what Snail Games called the game. 


    They decided to redo the game, it's not the same game.  The classes are not the same,  the lore and map is not the same or any of the towns and cities. 


    The concept is similar but how can that concept be dated?  As for SnailGames they are huge and have already done it.  The game comes out this year. 


    Will it be any good, who knows but the questions you are asking are about the company and history of the old game. 

    You don't have to give them a penny let the early access on steam test it this fall then decide. 

    Time will tell but at least do some research,  this isn't the Dnl of old. Personality I would of kept Savage Horizon but hey ho, it's how the game plays that matters not the name. 
    Post edited by SavageHorizon on




  • DeivosDeivos Member EpicPosts: 3,692
    Phry said:
    Axehilt said:
    The game wasn't delayed.  It was released and closed under legal issues I believe.  It was bought and then remade.  You can also go on appearances to know this isn't a Darkfall or Mortal Online.  

    So a reasonable quality game(from what has been shown) made by a known developer unplayed is thrown in with amatuer developer no budget games.  Knowing your previous history on posting about WoW and sandboxes logical reason is to assume you're panning the game because its a sandbox.  

    There is no other reason on the surface.  You gave no reason why it was bad.  I am sure I am not he only one to come to that conclusions. That is the logical conclusion. 

    I'm criticizing the game because nothing of substance is shown, and because presumably the same developers as the video someone linked are responsible for this game too.  If you're easily fooled by 2-3 screenshots and the same vague promises that all sandbox style games have made, then sure buy into that hype.  But right from Reply 1 someone already called out the article as being a vague marketing brochure.

    You don't know my posting history if you think I'm against all sandboxes.  Try reading and understanding for a change.

    Are you thick seriously? 

    How mang times do you need to be told that this is not the same dev team. At least do your homework before you spout your nonsence 
    Dark and Light is an odd game for a company to 'raise from the dead' and it was dead, it may have released, but i do hope nobody is suggesting it was a finished game even then, it will be interesting to see what a new development team does with it, but honestly, the game is so dated now that i wonder why anyone would even bother, new engine, new graphics, they might just as well be designing a game from scratch.
    Is Snail Games even big enough to handle that kind of a thing? or will they just give it the once over, reskins etc. a bit like a chop shop where they bolt together a couple of wrecks and give it a nice new paint job, and hope nobody notices the welds. :o
    Am i the only one thinking this is just going to be a quick cash grab attempt? I mean, i hope i am wrong, but lately, thats what seems to be happening.
    That at least is a reasonable concern though as compared to the fictional one posed before.

    "The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay

    "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin

  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    If I was King I would make it illegal to 'remake' any game. this is a fad that needs to stop

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • SavageHorizonSavageHorizon Member EpicPosts: 3,480
    SEANMCAD said:
    If I was King I would make it illegal to 'remake' any game. this is a fad that needs to stop

    You mean like FF XI ARR? 


    That remake was a complete mess, right? 


    There is nothing to say this game will be great but in a way this is a whole new game. They are not actually remaking Dnl but it seems people can't get there heads around that. 


    To be fair the confusion comes from using the same name when IMO they should of renamed it or at least went with what they first called the game. 


    Savage Horizon. 




  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    SEANMCAD said:
    If I was King I would make it illegal to 'remake' any game. this is a fad that needs to stop

    You mean like FF XI ARR? 


    That remake was a complete mess, right? 


    There is nothing to say this game will be great but in a way this is a whole new game. They are not actually remaking Dnl but it seems people can't get there heads around that. 


    To be fair the confusion comes from using the same name when IMO they should of renamed it or at least went with what they first called the game. 


    Savage Horizon. 
    YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I mean never remake a game, no exceptions. its a waste of time and its turning into an annoying trend.

    no remakes, peroid, no exceptions, peroid, none.

    I have a ton of ideas for new games I can rattle off if you would like?

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,938
    SEANMCAD said:
    If I was King I would make it illegal to 'remake' any game. this is a fad that needs to stop
    If I was king I'd lock you in the tower until the game was remade. Then, if the game was horrible I would release you, give you lands and an army and have you smite the enemy devs who thought they could revive the game.

    If the game was acceptable I would retire you to a farm so you could quietly live out your life in contemplation ... =)  
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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    If I was King I would make it illegal to 'remake' any game. this is a fad that needs to stop
    If I was king I'd lock you in the tower until the game was remade. Then, if the game was horrible I would release you, give you lands and an army and have you smite the enemy devs who thought they could revive the game.

    If the game was acceptable I would retire you to a farm so you could quietly live out your life in contemplation ... =)  
    nothing like instead of creating new ideas, just reshash the old ones for about a decade.

    yeah we  would be kingdoms at battle for sure

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,938
    SEANMCAD said:
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    If I was King I would make it illegal to 'remake' any game. this is a fad that needs to stop
    If I was king I'd lock you in the tower until the game was remade. Then, if the game was horrible I would release you, give you lands and an army and have you smite the enemy devs who thought they could revive the game.

    If the game was acceptable I would retire you to a farm so you could quietly live out your life in contemplation ... =)  
    nothing like instead of creating new ideas, just reshash the old ones for about a decade.

    yeah we  would be kingdoms at battle for sure
    Well, apparently they've added aliens so there you go ...
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    Try the "Special Edition." 'Cause it's "Special." https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/64878/?tab=description

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