What DKLond said, your the one trying to derail people by trolling them and claiming they are supporting the promotion of DS's blog, rather than a discussion of the points it raises be they true or false.
Effectively your trying to censor people that don't support DS by insinuating they have an agenda to promote DS,
You're the one quoted me and put ill intention on my post. You're doing nothing but helping to derail as well by not engaging on the discussion of the points instead, you're very much free to do so but you decided to went against my opinion instead.
Or should we forget when we post threads about the game, updates and such... Aren't some around here constantly insinuating we are "paid shills"? hmmm?
We're currently discussing your posts on this thread, not anyone else's.
As for paid shill's I doubt anyone on the forum who posts lots of stuff about SC is paid, that even includes Erillion.
“Nevertheless, the human brain, which survives by hoping from one second to another, will always endeavor to put off the moment of truth. Moist” ― Terry Pratchett, Making Money
So, I don't really see the problem here. DS wants attention because he's a narcissist with a power complex- but that doesn't make him valuable and the more people who're exposed to his nonsense, the better.
Okay here's one thing to note. I think you might be over-estimating the a amount of people who are capable to make their own conclusions and are not ruled by what other people say on the internet.
And I think we can clearly see that by the many overblown dramas around on the Internet that are baseless, or blown out of proportion; it's some sort of hoard mentality of people who do not care about facts.
We're currently discussing your posts on this thread, not anyone else's.
As for paid shill's I doubt anyone on the forum who posts lots of stuff about SC is paid, that even includes Erillion.
Well, you are; as It seems you were bothered I wasn't discussing the "points" then feel free to do so. It's nothing on my opinion but the circular discussion we go through on EVERY single thread that I can't even pretend I care anymore that we're having any legit discussion rather of copy/paste of the same stuff over and over again.
The interest in Star Citizen waned so much that last month they achived a new record in most money earned per month in the SC crowdfunding campaign with 7,751,061 dollars.
Have fun
I find this info fascinating. At a time when every KS struggles to raise a million, this team seems to be able to bring in more money than EVE.
Yet there isn't even a released game nor any real promise of one in the near future.
I would love to see a case study of those who contributed funds in that month to understand the drivers and motivations behind their purchasing decision.
Forget the game, this is a marketing phenomenon that I'm not sure is rivaled anywhere else. (except perhaps for the Tesla electric car preorders?)
It's not really that surprising.
It's the only game I'm aware of that's not only 100% PC-centric - but also goes "all the way" when it comes to genre evolution and boldness of vision. Not only in technical terms, but more impressively in game design terms.
There's nothing else that comes close to this ambition. I'm not saying it will work - I'm saying IF it works - it will be amazing.
If you truly understand what they're trying to do - you'd be a fool not to want to support it.
That said, it's hardly a surprise that the VAST majority are ill informed. You have to really care about this and really sit down and listen to what's being said to appreciate it. Also, you have to start out without a strong predisposition against it.
Personally, I find all this opposition both highly entertaining and simultaneously a bit sad.
Since I fully believe in the project, I could be looking forward to its success - and seeing a lot of people back down.
Unfortunately, the sad truth about human nature is that once you've set yourself against something, it really doesn't matter what happens. You WILL be against it.
So, these passionate naysayers will likely still be in denial long after the game has become a success.
Not unlike what the majority did when WoW conquered the MMO world.
Ah, so you are saying they received the 7M from the ignorant, ill informed masses? That would be one reasonable explanation, they dont know any better.
If it came from the informed, knowing the situation as they do, what motivated them to invest in SC, (or invest more)?
Are they really backing a dream as you suggest, or are they buying in for an improved user experiece at launch? (or even an outright advantage, real or perceived)? Maybe they are making speculative ship purchases for future resale? (I read something about a gray market)
I am an alpha CU backer who pitched in S200 at KS. If MJ started campaigning for additional funds to expand the vision I would have to decline, first deliver the game you promised me in the KS.
SC backers seem to hold a different view and freely continue to add to their original purchase, (would love to see stats on multiple order buyers) or SC continues to bring new believers into the fold, like a good ponzi scheme. (the comparison may not be all that far apart)
Regardless, I find the continued funding success behind SC of far more interest than the game(s) themselves.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
So, I don't really see the problem here. DS wants attention because he's a narcissist with a power complex- but that doesn't make him valuable and the more people who're exposed to his nonsense, the better.
Okay here's one thing to note. I think you might be over-estimating the a amount of people who are capable to make their own conclusions and are not ruled by what other people say on the internet.
And I think we can clearly see that by the many overblown dramas around on the Internet that are baseless, or blown out of proportion; it's some sort of hoard mentality of people who do not care about facts.
We're currently discussing your posts on this thread, not anyone else's.
As for paid shill's I doubt anyone on the forum who posts lots of stuff about SC is paid, that even includes Erillion.
Well, you are; as It seems you were bothered I wasn't discussing the "points" then feel free to do so.
No, I don't think I'm one to overestimate people in general
As I said, the Internet - especially MMORPG - is known for the vocal minority. That doesn't worry me - and I don't think DS followers represent anything close to a majority. I think they're a tiny, tiny minority.
You, however, seem to blow his importance way out of proportion - which I'm sure he's going to enjoy
I find this info fascinating. At a time when every KS struggles to raise a million, this team seems to be able to bring in more money than EVE.
Yet there isn't even a released game nor any real promise of one in the near future.
I would love to see a case study of those who contributed funds in that month to understand the drivers and motivations behind their purchasing decision.
Forget the game, this is a marketing phenomenon that I'm not sure is rivaled anywhere else. (except perhaps for the Tesla electric car preorders?)
Tesla have actually delivered some cars already, not of all models they take pre-orders for but still, this likeness does not really work that well.
Besides that, you are right. I never seen the like. Other crowdfunded MMOs cant get sums like SC did last month altogether.
Either the backers know something we don't or SCs salespeople have super powers.
I can get why people purchase the game after a free trial or that they purchase something better than the starter ship but I will never understand why people end up purchasing jpeg ships. Its the same sort of stupidity that made people invest in tulips 380 years ago so all it shows is that there will always be people with more money than sense.
They're not purchasing ships, they're pledging their support to the game because they have the money to burn.
It's exactly like any other kind of donation to something you believe in and want to support - with the only exception being that you get a token reward in the form of a ship.
Everyone knows all these ships are fully attainable in-game through normal play without further investment.
But a LOT of people can't wrap their heads around donating to worthy causes. It's not really something you can explain to people. Either you're the kind of person who believes in something and wants to support it - or you're not.
There is a difference between donating to a charity, say The Red Cross and The Trump Charity. This is the same here. You are not guaranteed anything and I don't feel it is a worthy cause, lining someone else's pocket. OHH, I bought a pretty drawing for 10K!!! Well, at least with art, like paintings once you purchase them you OWN them, here nothing is certain.
The interest in Star Citizen waned so much that last month they achived a new record in most money earned per month in the SC crowdfunding campaign with 7,751,061 dollars.
Have fun
I find this info fascinating. At a time when every KS struggles to raise a million, this team seems to be able to bring in more money than EVE.
Yet there isn't even a released game nor any real promise of one in the near future.
I would love to see a case study of those who contributed funds in that month to understand the drivers and motivations behind their purchasing decision.
Forget the game, this is a marketing phenomenon that I'm not sure is rivaled anywhere else. (except perhaps for the Tesla electric car preorders?)
It's not really that surprising.
It's the only game I'm aware of that's not only 100% PC-centric - but also goes "all the way" when it comes to genre evolution and boldness of vision. Not only in technical terms, but more impressively in game design terms.
There's nothing else that comes close to this ambition. I'm not saying it will work - I'm saying IF it works - it will be amazing.
If you truly understand what they're trying to do - you'd be a fool not to want to support it.
That said, it's hardly a surprise that the VAST majority are ill informed. You have to really care about this and really sit down and listen to what's being said to appreciate it. Also, you have to start out without a strong predisposition against it.
Personally, I find all this opposition both highly entertaining and simultaneously a bit sad.
Since I fully believe in the project, I could be looking forward to its success - and seeing a lot of people back down.
Unfortunately, the sad truth about human nature is that once you've set yourself against something, it really doesn't matter what happens. You WILL be against it.
So, these passionate naysayers will likely still be in denial long after the game has become a success.
Not unlike what the majority did when WoW conquered the MMO world.
Ah, so you are saying they received the 7M from the ignorant, ill informed masses? That would be one reasonable explanation, they dont know any better.
If it came from the informed, knowing the situation as they do, what motivated them to invest in SC, (or invest more)?
Are they really backing a dream as you suggest, or are they buying in for an improved user experiece at launch? (or even an outright advantage, real or perceived)? Maybe they are making speculative ship purchases for future resale? (I read something about a gray market)
I am an alpha CU backer who pitched in S200 at KS. If MJ started campaigning for additional funds to expand the vision I would have to decline, first deliver the game you promised me in the KS.
SC backers seem to hold a different view and freely continue to add to their original purchase, (would love to see stats on multiple order buyers) or SC continues to bring new believers into the fold, like a good ponzi scheme. (the comparison may not be all that far apart)
Regardless, I find the continued funding success behind SC of far more interest than the game(s) themselves.
Are you asking me to repeat myself?
I'm not sure what your point is.
I believe I already explained why I think people are funding the game - and why they continue to do so.
They're not purchasing ships, they're pledging their support to the game because they have the money to burn.
It's exactly like any other kind of donation to something you believe in and want to support - with the only exception being that you get a token reward in the form of a ship.
Everyone knows all these ships are fully attainable in-game through normal play without further investment.
But a LOT of people can't wrap their heads around donating to worthy causes. It's not really something you can explain to people. Either you're the kind of person who believes in something and wants to support it - or you're not.
That part Ill get but why do so many people donate such huge sums to this game while other interesting crowdfunded games have such a tough times?
I am not saying this is a scam or anything like it, I am just surprised that they still get huge sums every month while more then a few other interesting games barely scrapes by or wont get funded at all.
They're not purchasing ships, they're pledging their support to the game because they have the money to burn.
It's exactly like any other kind of donation to something you believe in and want to support - with the only exception being that you get a token reward in the form of a ship.
Everyone knows all these ships are fully attainable in-game through normal play without further investment.
But a LOT of people can't wrap their heads around donating to worthy causes. It's not really something you can explain to people. Either you're the kind of person who believes in something and wants to support it - or you're not.
Sorry but this is bullcrap. Visit the official forums or the subreddit whenever there is a sale upcoming or underway and everyone is talking about "Which ship are you getting?" Which ship will you buy?" "If I buy X ..." "I have X amount to spend which ships shall I buy?" and so on.
No one treats them like a reward for a donation. The only people that use this fallacious argument do so in an attempt to justify the spending of idiotic amounts of money that everyone else laughs at.
Playing the philanthropist card when buying advantages in a computer game is pathetic beyond belief.
No, I don't think I'm one to overestimate people in general
As I said, the Internet - especially MMORPG - is known for the vocal minority. That doesn't worry me - and I don't think DS followers represent anything close to a majority. I think they're a tiny, tiny minority.
You, however, seem to blow his importance way out of proportion - which I'm sure he's going to enjoy
Okay yes I agree that the Internet is ruled by the vocal minorities VS the so-called Silent Majority; when we are talking about drama ofc.
But even like that, there's many that are ran by hoard mentalities. To the point that hate X game is something cool to do, even in-between people who do not even care about the game or want to play.
They're not purchasing ships, they're pledging their support to the game because they have the money to burn.
It's exactly like any other kind of donation to something you believe in and want to support - with the only exception being that you get a token reward in the form of a ship.
Everyone knows all these ships are fully attainable in-game through normal play without further investment.
But a LOT of people can't wrap their heads around donating to worthy causes. It's not really something you can explain to people. Either you're the kind of person who believes in something and wants to support it - or you're not.
That part Ill get but why do so many people donate such huge sums to this game while other interesting crowdfunded games have such a tough times?
I am not saying this is a scam or anything like it, I am just surprised that they still get huge sums every month while more then a few other interesting games barely scrapes by or wont get funded at all.
I don't know why the simplest explanation isn't good enough.
But I'll try one more time:
Because Star Citizen is doing something way, way beyond what every single other kickstarter game has done.
Obviously, if you don't agree and you don't think it's doing anything worthy of note - you won't understand.
All I can say is that's what I believe - and it's also why I've pledged a lot more to this game than any other.
There's nothing else that comes close in terms of potential.
Please note that I'm not saying it's a guarenteed success. I'm just saying that IF it's a success - it will be the first true evolution in both technical and game design terms that I've seen in something like 20 years.
So, I've pledged because I want to support something like that. I want to feel like I've helped make it happen.
No, I don't think I'm one to overestimate people in general
As I said, the Internet - especially MMORPG - is known for the vocal minority. That doesn't worry me - and I don't think DS followers represent anything close to a majority. I think they're a tiny, tiny minority.
You, however, seem to blow his importance way out of proportion - which I'm sure he's going to enjoy
Okay yes I agree that the Internet is ruled by the vocal minorities VS the so-called Silent Majority; when we are talking about drama ofc.
But even like that, there's many that are ran by hoard mentalities. To the point that hate X game is something cool to do, even in-between people who do not even care about the game or want to play.
Yes, I know that. It doesn't bother me at all.
It has no real impact on my life or reality as such. It's just a bunch of whiners wasting their lives bitching about things they don't understand.
I have no problem with that. I'd rather have them in here than out there doing real harm.
The interest in Star Citizen waned so much that last month they achived a new record in most money earned per month in the SC crowdfunding campaign with 7,751,061 dollars.
Have fun
I find this info fascinating. At a time when every KS struggles to raise a million, this team seems to be able to bring in more money than EVE.
Yet there isn't even a released game nor any real promise of one in the near future.
I would love to see a case study of those who contributed funds in that month to understand the drivers and motivations behind their purchasing decision.
Forget the game, this is a marketing phenomenon that I'm not sure is rivaled anywhere else. (except perhaps for the Tesla electric car preorders?)
It's not really that surprising.
It's the only game I'm aware of that's not only 100% PC-centric - but also goes "all the way" when it comes to genre evolution and boldness of vision. Not only in technical terms, but more impressively in game design terms.
There's nothing else that comes close to this ambition. I'm not saying it will work - I'm saying IF it works - it will be amazing.
If you truly understand what they're trying to do - you'd be a fool not to want to support it.
That said, it's hardly a surprise that the VAST majority are ill informed. You have to really care about this and really sit down and listen to what's being said to appreciate it. Also, you have to start out without a strong predisposition against it.
Personally, I find all this opposition both highly entertaining and simultaneously a bit sad.
Since I fully believe in the project, I could be looking forward to its success - and seeing a lot of people back down.
Unfortunately, the sad truth about human nature is that once you've set yourself against something, it really doesn't matter what happens. You WILL be against it.
So, these passionate naysayers will likely still be in denial long after the game has become a success.
Not unlike what the majority did when WoW conquered the MMO world.
Ah, so you are saying they received the 7M from the ignorant, ill informed masses? That would be one reasonable explanation, they dont know any better.
If it came from the informed, knowing the situation as they do, what motivated them to invest in SC, (or invest more)?
Are they really backing a dream as you suggest, or are they buying in for an improved user experiece at launch? (or even an outright advantage, real or perceived)? Maybe they are making speculative ship purchases for future resale? (I read something about a gray market)
I am an alpha CU backer who pitched in S200 at KS. If MJ started campaigning for additional funds to expand the vision I would have to decline, first deliver the game you promised me in the KS.
SC backers seem to hold a different view and freely continue to add to their original purchase, (would love to see stats on multiple order buyers) or SC continues to bring new believers into the fold, like a good ponzi scheme. (the comparison may not be all that far apart)
Regardless, I find the continued funding success behind SC of far more interest than the game(s) themselves.
The fact that people continue to put money into SC probably show's that there's a deep interest in a game of the depth that CR promises with SC. Infact thats why I originally pledged to the game.
But the continuing sales of jpeg ships makes me seriously worry about the sanity of some people, well actually thinking about it s I write this, it doesn't, I now wonder why people would put this much money down on a product that in theory you can buy for a fraction of the money they have put down.
Aren't there some backers who have put 10's of thousands into the game?
I do sometimes wonder when they first sold some of the big $ ships if they thought 'hey lets list this ship for $$$ and see if anyone buys!' only to sell all of the available ship's and then thought 'Whoa people will pay anything for these' and just went bonkers selling jpegs as it was easy money.
“Nevertheless, the human brain, which survives by hoping from one second to another, will always endeavor to put off the moment of truth. Moist” ― Terry Pratchett, Making Money
The interest in Star Citizen waned so much that last month they achived a new record in most money earned per month in the SC crowdfunding campaign with 7,751,061 dollars.
Have fun
I find this info fascinating. At a time when every KS struggles to raise a million, this team seems to be able to bring in more money than EVE.
Yet there isn't even a released game nor any real promise of one in the near future.
I would love to see a case study of those who contributed funds in that month to understand the drivers and motivations behind their purchasing decision.
Forget the game, this is a marketing phenomenon that I'm not sure is rivaled anywhere else. (except perhaps for the Tesla electric car preorders?)
It's not really that surprising.
It's the only game I'm aware of that's not only 100% PC-centric - but also goes "all the way" when it comes to genre evolution and boldness of vision. Not only in technical terms, but more impressively in game design terms.
There's nothing else that comes close to this ambition. I'm not saying it will work - I'm saying IF it works - it will be amazing.
If you truly understand what they're trying to do - you'd be a fool not to want to support it.
That said, it's hardly a surprise that the VAST majority are ill informed. You have to really care about this and really sit down and listen to what's being said to appreciate it. Also, you have to start out without a strong predisposition against it.
Personally, I find all this opposition both highly entertaining and simultaneously a bit sad.
Since I fully believe in the project, I could be looking forward to its success - and seeing a lot of people back down.
Unfortunately, the sad truth about human nature is that once you've set yourself against something, it really doesn't matter what happens. You WILL be against it.
So, these passionate naysayers will likely still be in denial long after the game has become a success.
Not unlike what the majority did when WoW conquered the MMO world.
Ah, so you are saying they received the 7M from the ignorant, ill informed masses? That would be one reasonable explanation, they dont know any better.
If it came from the informed, knowing the situation as they do, what motivated them to invest in SC, (or invest more)?
Are they really backing a dream as you suggest, or are they buying in for an improved user experiece at launch? (or even an outright advantage, real or perceived)? Maybe they are making speculative ship purchases for future resale? (I read something about a gray market)
I am an alpha CU backer who pitched in S200 at KS. If MJ started campaigning for additional funds to expand the vision I would have to decline, first deliver the game you promised me in the KS.
SC backers seem to hold a different view and freely continue to add to their original purchase, (would love to see stats on multiple order buyers) or SC continues to bring new believers into the fold, like a good ponzi scheme. (the comparison may not be all that far apart)
Regardless, I find the continued funding success behind SC of far more interest than the game(s) themselves.
The fact that people continue to put money into SC probably show's that there's a deep interest in a game of the depth that CR promises with SC. Infact thats why I originally pledged to the game.
But the continuing sales of jpeg ships makes me seriously worry about the sanity of some people, well actually thinking about it s I write this, it doesn't, I now wonder why people would put this much money down on a product that in theory you can buy for a fraction of the money they have put down.
Aren't there some backers who have put 10's of thousands into the game?
I do sometimes wonder when they first sold some of the big $ ships if they thought 'hey lets list this ship for $$$ and see if anyone buys!' only to sell all of the available ship's and then thought 'Whoa people will pay anything for these' and just went bonkers selling jpegs as it was easy money.
I don't think you know how insignificant 10K dollars is to some people.
If there are people spending 1 Million dollars in a mobile energy-based game; I can't see myself to shame the people who have the money to spend. But that invest it into the possibility of something great to happen, invest on AMBITION, not on money-pits (as mobile games are), would be a far better use of the money.
They're not purchasing ships, they're pledging their support to the game because they have the money to burn.
It's exactly like any other kind of donation to something you believe in and want to support - with the only exception being that you get a token reward in the form of a ship.
Everyone knows all these ships are fully attainable in-game through normal play without further investment.
But a LOT of people can't wrap their heads around donating to worthy causes. It's not really something you can explain to people. Either you're the kind of person who believes in something and wants to support it - or you're not.
That part Ill get but why do so many people donate such huge sums to this game while other interesting crowdfunded games have such a tough times?
I am not saying this is a scam or anything like it, I am just surprised that they still get huge sums every month while more then a few other interesting games barely scrapes by or wont get funded at all.
I don't know why the simplest explanation isn't good enough.
But I'll try one more time:
Because Star Citizen is doing something way, way beyond what every single other kickstarter game has done.
Obviously, if you don't agree and you don't think it's doing anything worthy of note - you won't understand.
All I can say is that's what I believe - and it's also why I've pledged a lot more to this game than any other.
There's nothing else that comes close in terms of potential.
Please note that I'm not saying it's a guarenteed success. I'm just saying that IF it's a success - it will be the first true evolution in both technical and game design terms that I've seen in something like 20 years.
So, I've pledged because I want to support something like that. I want to feel like I've helped make it happen.
You hit it right IF!!! So far nothing I have seen from the vids or gameplay really shows off anything more than what is out there right now. Also, using a free version of gaming engine is just odd. It is gimped and they have to code around it. Maybe if they would have plunked down money on the actual game engine, they would be farther along.
It is decisions like the above and then bringing out ships, rather than an actual game to play is what gives me pause.
The interest in Star Citizen waned so much that last month they achived a new record in most money earned per month in the SC crowdfunding campaign with 7,751,061 dollars.
Have fun
I find this info fascinating. At a time when every KS struggles to raise a million, this team seems to be able to bring in more money than EVE.
Yet there isn't even a released game nor any real promise of one in the near future.
I would love to see a case study of those who contributed funds in that month to understand the drivers and motivations behind their purchasing decision.
Forget the game, this is a marketing phenomenon that I'm not sure is rivaled anywhere else. (except perhaps for the Tesla electric car preorders?)
It's not really that surprising.
It's the only game I'm aware of that's not only 100% PC-centric - but also goes "all the way" when it comes to genre evolution and boldness of vision. Not only in technical terms, but more impressively in game design terms.
There's nothing else that comes close to this ambition. I'm not saying it will work - I'm saying IF it works - it will be amazing.
If you truly understand what they're trying to do - you'd be a fool not to want to support it.
That said, it's hardly a surprise that the VAST majority are ill informed. You have to really care about this and really sit down and listen to what's being said to appreciate it. Also, you have to start out without a strong predisposition against it.
Personally, I find all this opposition both highly entertaining and simultaneously a bit sad.
Since I fully believe in the project, I could be looking forward to its success - and seeing a lot of people back down.
Unfortunately, the sad truth about human nature is that once you've set yourself against something, it really doesn't matter what happens. You WILL be against it.
So, these passionate naysayers will likely still be in denial long after the game has become a success.
Not unlike what the majority did when WoW conquered the MMO world.
Ah, so you are saying they received the 7M from the ignorant, ill informed masses? That would be one reasonable explanation, they dont know any better.
If it came from the informed, knowing the situation as they do, what motivated them to invest in SC, (or invest more)?
Are they really backing a dream as you suggest, or are they buying in for an improved user experiece at launch? (or even an outright advantage, real or perceived)? Maybe they are making speculative ship purchases for future resale? (I read something about a gray market)
I am an alpha CU backer who pitched in S200 at KS. If MJ started campaigning for additional funds to expand the vision I would have to decline, first deliver the game you promised me in the KS.
SC backers seem to hold a different view and freely continue to add to their original purchase, (would love to see stats on multiple order buyers) or SC continues to bring new believers into the fold, like a good ponzi scheme. (the comparison may not be all that far apart)
Regardless, I find the continued funding success behind SC of far more interest than the game(s) themselves.
The fact that people continue to put money into SC probably show's that there's a deep interest in a game of the depth that CR promises with SC. Infact thats why I originally pledged to the game.
But the continuing sales of jpeg ships makes me seriously worry about the sanity of some people, well actually thinking about it s I write this, it doesn't, I now wonder why people would put this much money down on a product that in theory you can buy for a fraction of the money they have put down.
Aren't there some backers who have put 10's of thousands into the game?
I do sometimes wonder when they first sold some of the big $ ships if they thought 'hey lets list this ship for $$$ and see if anyone buys!' only to sell all of the available ship's and then thought 'Whoa people will pay anything for these' and just went bonkers selling jpegs as it was easy money.
I don't think you know how insignificant 10K dollars is to some people.
For some people, that's like 1$ to you and I.
Yeah I agree, I just was reading about one of the big 'investors' who was saying that his $29,000 into SC was trivial.
I'm far from being a socialist but surely that money cold be better spent lol
“Nevertheless, the human brain, which survives by hoping from one second to another, will always endeavor to put off the moment of truth. Moist” ― Terry Pratchett, Making Money
They're not purchasing ships, they're pledging their support to the game because they have the money to burn.
It's exactly like any other kind of donation to something you believe in and want to support - with the only exception being that you get a token reward in the form of a ship.
Everyone knows all these ships are fully attainable in-game through normal play without further investment.
But a LOT of people can't wrap their heads around donating to worthy causes. It's not really something you can explain to people. Either you're the kind of person who believes in something and wants to support it - or you're not.
That part Ill get but why do so many people donate such huge sums to this game while other interesting crowdfunded games have such a tough times?
I am not saying this is a scam or anything like it, I am just surprised that they still get huge sums every month while more then a few other interesting games barely scrapes by or wont get funded at all.
I don't know why the simplest explanation isn't good enough.
But I'll try one more time:
Because Star Citizen is doing something way, way beyond what every single other kickstarter game has done.
Obviously, if you don't agree and you don't think it's doing anything worthy of note - you won't understand.
All I can say is that's what I believe - and it's also why I've pledged a lot more to this game than any other.
There's nothing else that comes close in terms of potential.
Please note that I'm not saying it's a guarenteed success. I'm just saying that IF it's a success - it will be the first true evolution in both technical and game design terms that I've seen in something like 20 years.
So, I've pledged because I want to support something like that. I want to feel like I've helped make it happen.
You hit it right IF!!! So far nothing I have seen from the vids or gameplay really shows off anything more than what is out there right now. Also, using a free version of gaming engine is just odd. It is gimped and they have to code around it. Maybe if they would have plunked down money on the actual game engine, they would be farther along.
It is decisions like the above and then bringing out ships, rather than an actual game to play is what gives me pause.
I don't know why the simplest explanation isn't good enough.
But I'll try one more time:
Because Star Citizen is doing something way, way beyond what every single other kickstarter game has done.
Obviously, if you don't agree and you don't think it's doing anything worthy of note - you won't understand.
All I can say is that's what I believe - and it's also why I've pledged a lot more to this game than any other.
There's nothing else that comes close in terms of potential.
Please note that I'm not saying it's a guarenteed success. I'm just saying that IF it's a success - it will be the first true evolution in both technical and game design terms that I've seen in something like 20 years.
So, I've pledged because I want to support something like that. I want to feel like I've helped make it happen.
I did not say that it isn't trying to do something of note (I say trying because it isn't done yet), I just don't see why it is so much greater then the other crowdfunded games.
I don't mind putting in a few bucks for a game myself, $100 for Pantheon was fine but I guess I am more cynical (or a lot poorer) then you SC backers. I kinda assume that I will lose that money even if it would be great if I actually got a good game for it, a dream can be worth an investment no matter if it works or not.
But fair enough, the huge sums do indicate that they are onto something, that is the interesting thing about it.
The interest in Star Citizen waned so much that last month they achived a new record in most money earned per month in the SC crowdfunding campaign with 7,751,061 dollars.
Have fun
I find this info fascinating. At a time when every KS struggles to raise a million, this team seems to be able to bring in more money than EVE.
Yet there isn't even a released game nor any real promise of one in the near future.
I would love to see a case study of those who contributed funds in that month to understand the drivers and motivations behind their purchasing decision.
Forget the game, this is a marketing phenomenon that I'm not sure is rivaled anywhere else. (except perhaps for the Tesla electric car preorders?)
It's not really that surprising.
It's the only game I'm aware of that's not only 100% PC-centric - but also goes "all the way" when it comes to genre evolution and boldness of vision. Not only in technical terms, but more impressively in game design terms.
There's nothing else that comes close to this ambition. I'm not saying it will work - I'm saying IF it works - it will be amazing.
If you truly understand what they're trying to do - you'd be a fool not to want to support it.
That said, it's hardly a surprise that the VAST majority are ill informed. You have to really care about this and really sit down and listen to what's being said to appreciate it. Also, you have to start out without a strong predisposition against it.
Personally, I find all this opposition both highly entertaining and simultaneously a bit sad.
Since I fully believe in the project, I could be looking forward to its success - and seeing a lot of people back down.
Unfortunately, the sad truth about human nature is that once you've set yourself against something, it really doesn't matter what happens. You WILL be against it.
So, these passionate naysayers will likely still be in denial long after the game has become a success.
Not unlike what the majority did when WoW conquered the MMO world.
Ah, so you are saying they received the 7M from the ignorant, ill informed masses? That would be one reasonable explanation, they dont know any better.
If it came from the informed, knowing the situation as they do, what motivated them to invest in SC, (or invest more)?
Are they really backing a dream as you suggest, or are they buying in for an improved user experiece at launch? (or even an outright advantage, real or perceived)? Maybe they are making speculative ship purchases for future resale? (I read something about a gray market)
I am an alpha CU backer who pitched in S200 at KS. If MJ started campaigning for additional funds to expand the vision I would have to decline, first deliver the game you promised me in the KS.
SC backers seem to hold a different view and freely continue to add to their original purchase, (would love to see stats on multiple order buyers) or SC continues to bring new believers into the fold, like a good ponzi scheme. (the comparison may not be all that far apart)
Regardless, I find the continued funding success behind SC of far more interest than the game(s) themselves.
The fact that people continue to put money into SC probably show's that there's a deep interest in a game of the depth that CR promises with SC. Infact thats why I originally pledged to the game.
But the continuing sales of jpeg ships makes me seriously worry about the sanity of some people, well actually thinking about it s I write this, it doesn't, I now wonder why people would put this much money down on a product that in theory you can buy for a fraction of the money they have put down.
Aren't there some backers who have put 10's of thousands into the game?
I do sometimes wonder when they first sold some of the big $ ships if they thought 'hey lets list this ship for $$$ and see if anyone buys!' only to sell all of the available ship's and then thought 'Whoa people will pay anything for these' and just went bonkers selling jpegs as it was easy money.
I don't think you know how insignificant 10K dollars is to some people.
For some people, that's like 1$ to you and I.
Yeah I agree, I just was reading about one of the big 'investors' who was saying that his $29,000 into SC was trivial.
I'm far from being a socialist but surely that money cold be better spent lol
It could also be spent in much worse ways.
That said, I'm not a judge and jury when it comes to people and their passions.
But I can certainly understand wanting to support Star Citizen.
They're not purchasing ships, they're pledging their support to the game because they have the money to burn.
It's exactly like any other kind of donation to something you believe in and want to support - with the only exception being that you get a token reward in the form of a ship.
Everyone knows all these ships are fully attainable in-game through normal play without further investment.
But a LOT of people can't wrap their heads around donating to worthy causes. It's not really something you can explain to people. Either you're the kind of person who believes in something and wants to support it - or you're not.
That part Ill get but why do so many people donate such huge sums to this game while other interesting crowdfunded games have such a tough times?
I am not saying this is a scam or anything like it, I am just surprised that they still get huge sums every month while more then a few other interesting games barely scrapes by or wont get funded at all.
I don't know why the simplest explanation isn't good enough.
But I'll try one more time:
Because Star Citizen is doing something way, way beyond what every single other kickstarter game has done.
Obviously, if you don't agree and you don't think it's doing anything worthy of note - you won't understand.
All I can say is that's what I believe - and it's also why I've pledged a lot more to this game than any other.
There's nothing else that comes close in terms of potential.
Please note that I'm not saying it's a guarenteed success. I'm just saying that IF it's a success - it will be the first true evolution in both technical and game design terms that I've seen in something like 20 years.
So, I've pledged because I want to support something like that. I want to feel like I've helped make it happen.
You hit it right IF!!! So far nothing I have seen from the vids or gameplay really shows off anything more than what is out there right now. Also, using a free version of gaming engine is just odd. It is gimped and they have to code around it. Maybe if they would have plunked down money on the actual game engine, they would be farther along.
It is decisions like the above and then bringing out ships, rather than an actual game to play is what gives me pause.
There's no law against not supporting it
I think further down the road, the one big mistake SC might admit is the decision to continue with using the CryEngine and not writing their own bespoke Engine.
But that could also depend on how much cash they had spent to date on the CryEngine before the large amounts of cash came in.
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I don't know why the simplest explanation isn't good enough.
But I'll try one more time:
Because Star Citizen is doing something way, way beyond what every single other kickstarter game has done.
Obviously, if you don't agree and you don't think it's doing anything worthy of note - you won't understand.
All I can say is that's what I believe - and it's also why I've pledged a lot more to this game than any other.
There's nothing else that comes close in terms of potential.
Please note that I'm not saying it's a guarenteed success. I'm just saying that IF it's a success - it will be the first true evolution in both technical and game design terms that I've seen in something like 20 years.
So, I've pledged because I want to support something like that. I want to feel like I've helped make it happen.
I did not say that it isn't trying to do something of note (I say trying because it isn't done yet), I just don't see why it is so much greater then the other crowdfunded games.
I don't mind putting in a few bucks for a game myself, $100 for Pantheon was fine but I guess I am more cynical (or a lot poorer) then you SC backers. I kinda assume that I will lose that money even if it would be great if I actually got a good game for it, a dream can be worth an investment no matter if it works or not.
But fair enough, the huge sums do indicate that they are onto something, that is the interesting thing about it.
That's fair enough.
It all depends on what kind of game you enjoy - and what you consider worth supporting.
I have no issue with people not wanting to support another space game - but I can certainly understand what's special about Star Citizen.
I think further down the road, the one big mistake SC might admit is the decision to continue with using the CryEngine and not writing their own bespoke Engine.
They already kinda admitted that.
If they knew they would get as much money as they did, it would have yes be far possible to create a custom engine for the game instead of use one existent one. But Star Citizen was a game that was very originally asked for 500K instead, and even the funded 2M wouldn't be enough to create one engine from stratch, they didn't had the team to do so.
For 29K you can actually buy a car and many other tangible items. I many parts of the US, people don't even make that kind of money yearly. It just blows my mind, that much money to a charity could help feed the homeless, etc. not line the pockets of ego-maniacs.
The interest in Star Citizen waned so much that last month they achived a new record in most money earned per month in the SC crowdfunding campaign with 7,751,061 dollars. Have fun
I find this info fascinating. At a time when every KS struggles to raise a million, this team seems to be able to bring in more money than EVE.
Yet there isn't even a released game nor any real promise of one in the near future.
I would love to see a case study of those who contributed funds in that month to understand the drivers and motivations behind their purchasing decision.
Forget the game, this is a marketing phenomenon that I'm not sure is rivaled anywhere else. (except perhaps for the Tesla electric car preorders?)
It is indeed. And at a time when there are threads about other KS / Early Access games having to "stop" development whilst they manage to raise money. My opinion:
Critical ingredient 1: the publicity generated by detractors; worth a fortune. And so ironic.
Critical ingredient 2: the alpha (forced upon the game by the detractors, more irony).
First get people to look, the second allows people to become informed. And on that they make a decision on whether to back an "honest endeavour".
I have long believed that a key factor in WoW's success was the long US and EU betas. They generated publicity and protected the game when it crashed and burned at (the US) launch. People knew there was a game there. I believe the same is starting to happen with SC and will grow providing - key provisio - they continue to build on the current alpha in a timely way.
They're not purchasing ships, they're pledging their support to the game because they have the money to burn.
It's exactly like any other kind of donation to something you believe in and want to support - with the only exception being that you get a token reward in the form of a ship.
Everyone knows all these ships are fully attainable in-game through normal play without further investment.
But a LOT of people can't wrap their heads around donating to worthy causes. It's not really something you can explain to people. Either you're the kind of person who believes in something and wants to support it - or you're not.
That part Ill get but why do so many people donate such huge sums to this game while other interesting crowdfunded games have such a tough times?
I am not saying this is a scam or anything like it, I am just surprised that they still get huge sums every month while more then a few other interesting games barely scrapes by or wont get funded at all.
I don't know why the simplest explanation isn't good enough.
But I'll try one more time:
Because Star Citizen is doing something way, way beyond what every single other kickstarter game has done.
Obviously, if you don't agree and you don't think it's doing anything worthy of note - you won't understand.
All I can say is that's what I believe - and it's also why I've pledged a lot more to this game than any other.
There's nothing else that comes close in terms of potential.
Please note that I'm not saying it's a guarenteed success. I'm just saying that IF it's a success - it will be the first true evolution in both technical and game design terms that I've seen in something like 20 years.
So, I've pledged because I want to support something like that. I want to feel like I've helped make it happen.
You hit it right IF!!! So far nothing I have seen from the vids or gameplay really shows off anything more than what is out there right now. Also, using a free version of gaming engine is just odd. It is gimped and they have to code around it. Maybe if they would have plunked down money on the actual game engine, they would be farther along.
It is decisions like the above and then bringing out ships, rather than an actual game to play is what gives me pause.
There's no law against not supporting it
I think further down the road, the one big mistake SC might admit is the decision to continue with using the CryEngine and not writing their own bespoke Engine.
But that could also depend on how much cash they had spent to date on the CryEngine before the large amounts of cash came in.
CR made it clear that writing an engine from scratch would take at least 2 years - and he had absolutely no way of knowing what kind of funding the game would get.
Establishing the full studio took over 2 years - and that's because the money kept pouring in, and people kept meeting the stretch goals. So, they had to build their own motion capture studio - and they had to expand the SQ42 script and shooting schedule. All kinds of things had to happen around development.
So, the first 1-2 years - there was absolutely no way for him to know it would be feasible for them to write their own engine from scratch - and no matter what, it would have added 2 years ON top of an already growing development time.
Remember, they had already committed to giving backers Hangar access and Arena Commander access - which would NOT have been possible without an existing engine.
Refactoring the CryEngine was THE best choice given the reality of the project.
However, if they had started out with 140 million dollars - then I'm sure they would have chosen to write their own engine before starting development proper.
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As for paid shill's I doubt anyone on the forum who posts lots of stuff about SC is paid, that even includes Erillion.
― Terry Pratchett, Making Money
And I think we can clearly see that by the many overblown dramas around on the Internet that are baseless, or blown out of proportion; it's some sort of hoard mentality of people who do not care about facts.
Well, you are; as It seems you were bothered I wasn't discussing the "points" then feel free to do so. It's nothing on my opinion but the circular discussion we go through on EVERY single thread that I can't even pretend I care anymore that we're having any legit discussion rather of copy/paste of the same stuff over and over again.
If it came from the informed, knowing the situation as they do, what motivated them to invest in SC, (or invest more)?
Are they really backing a dream as you suggest, or are they buying in for an improved user experiece at launch? (or even an outright advantage, real or perceived)? Maybe they are making speculative ship purchases for future resale? (I read something about a gray market)
I am an alpha CU backer who pitched in S200 at KS. If MJ started campaigning for additional funds to expand the vision I would have to decline, first deliver the game you promised me in the KS.
SC backers seem to hold a different view and freely continue to add to their original purchase, (would love to see stats on multiple order buyers) or SC continues to bring new believers into the fold, like a good ponzi scheme. (the comparison may not be all that far apart)
Regardless, I find the continued funding success behind SC of far more interest than the game(s) themselves.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
As I said, the Internet - especially MMORPG - is known for the vocal minority. That doesn't worry me - and I don't think DS followers represent anything close to a majority. I think they're a tiny, tiny minority.
You, however, seem to blow his importance way out of proportion - which I'm sure he's going to enjoy
There is a difference between donating to a charity, say The Red Cross and The Trump Charity. This is the same here. You are not guaranteed anything and I don't feel it is a worthy cause, lining someone else's pocket. OHH, I bought a pretty drawing for 10K!!! Well, at least with art, like paintings once you purchase them you OWN them, here nothing is certain.
I'm not sure what your point is.
I believe I already explained why I think people are funding the game - and why they continue to do so.
I am not saying this is a scam or anything like it, I am just surprised that they still get huge sums every month while more then a few other interesting games barely scrapes by or wont get funded at all.
Sorry but this is bullcrap. Visit the official forums or the subreddit whenever there is a sale upcoming or underway and everyone is talking about "Which ship are you getting?" Which ship will you buy?" "If I buy X ..." "I have X amount to spend which ships shall I buy?" and so on.
No one treats them like a reward for a donation. The only people that use this fallacious argument do so in an attempt to justify the spending of idiotic amounts of money that everyone else laughs at.
Playing the philanthropist card when buying advantages in a computer game is pathetic beyond belief.
But even like that, there's many that are ran by hoard mentalities. To the point that hate X game is something cool to do, even in-between people who do not even care about the game or want to play.
But I'll try one more time:
Because Star Citizen is doing something way, way beyond what every single other kickstarter game has done.
Obviously, if you don't agree and you don't think it's doing anything worthy of note - you won't understand.
All I can say is that's what I believe - and it's also why I've pledged a lot more to this game than any other.
There's nothing else that comes close in terms of potential.
Please note that I'm not saying it's a guarenteed success. I'm just saying that IF it's a success - it will be the first true evolution in both technical and game design terms that I've seen in something like 20 years.
So, I've pledged because I want to support something like that. I want to feel like I've helped make it happen.
It has no real impact on my life or reality as such. It's just a bunch of whiners wasting their lives bitching about things they don't understand.
I have no problem with that. I'd rather have them in here than out there doing real harm.
But the continuing sales of jpeg ships makes me seriously worry about the sanity of some people, well actually thinking about it s I write this, it doesn't, I now wonder why people would put this much money down on a product that in theory you can buy for a fraction of the money they have put down.
Aren't there some backers who have put 10's of thousands into the game?
I do sometimes wonder when they first sold some of the big $ ships if they thought 'hey lets list this ship for $$$ and see if anyone buys!' only to sell all of the available ship's and then thought 'Whoa people will pay anything for these' and just went bonkers selling jpegs as it was easy money.
― Terry Pratchett, Making Money
For some people, that's like 1$ to you and I.
It is decisions like the above and then bringing out ships, rather than an actual game to play is what gives me pause.
I'm far from being a socialist but surely that money cold be better spent lol
― Terry Pratchett, Making Money
I don't mind putting in a few bucks for a game myself, $100 for Pantheon was fine but I guess I am more cynical (or a lot poorer) then you SC backers. I kinda assume that I will lose that money even if it would be great if I actually got a good game for it, a dream can be worth an investment no matter if it works or not.
But fair enough, the huge sums do indicate that they are onto something, that is the interesting thing about it.
That said, I'm not a judge and jury when it comes to people and their passions.
But I can certainly understand wanting to support Star Citizen.
But that could also depend on how much cash they had spent to date on the CryEngine before the large amounts of cash came in.
― Terry Pratchett, Making Money
It all depends on what kind of game you enjoy - and what you consider worth supporting.
I have no issue with people not wanting to support another space game - but I can certainly understand what's special about Star Citizen.
If they knew they would get as much money as they did, it would have yes be far possible to create a custom engine for the game instead of use one existent one. But Star Citizen was a game that was very originally asked for 500K instead, and even the funded 2M wouldn't be enough to create one engine from stratch, they didn't had the team to do so.
Critical ingredient 1: the publicity generated by detractors; worth a fortune. And so ironic.
Critical ingredient 2: the alpha (forced upon the game by the detractors, more irony).
First get people to look, the second allows people to become informed. And on that they make a decision on whether to back an "honest endeavour".
I have long believed that a key factor in WoW's success was the long US and EU betas. They generated publicity and protected the game when it crashed and burned at (the US) launch. People knew there was a game there. I believe the same is starting to happen with SC and will grow providing - key provisio - they continue to build on the current alpha in a timely way.
Establishing the full studio took over 2 years - and that's because the money kept pouring in, and people kept meeting the stretch goals. So, they had to build their own motion capture studio - and they had to expand the SQ42 script and shooting schedule. All kinds of things had to happen around development.
So, the first 1-2 years - there was absolutely no way for him to know it would be feasible for them to write their own engine from scratch - and no matter what, it would have added 2 years ON top of an already growing development time.
Remember, they had already committed to giving backers Hangar access and Arena Commander access - which would NOT have been possible without an existing engine.
Refactoring the CryEngine was THE best choice given the reality of the project.
However, if they had started out with 140 million dollars - then I'm sure they would have chosen to write their own engine before starting development proper.