I have little doubt you two have much in common. I think that's very nice for you.
Well thank you, same for you. ;3
You already show a legit leadership skill, full extremist negative bias vs full extremist positive bias, the war of darkness and light!
There's no flame war. There are people who are speaking from a position of sense and conscience, there are people speaking from a position of lack of critical thinking and various stages of denial via buyer's remorse. One side wants to protect the public from a con job, facade of a product which is little more than a running series of advertisements and delays, one side has been tricked this is the way things should be and that this is all perfectly acceptable.
It's not acceptable. Defending this project is misguided at best. Tell CIG to stop talking and finish what they started, what they said years ago they could do with x million dollars, which was considerably less than they've received. That would be defending yourself. It's only to your benefit.
There's no flame war. There are people who are speaking from a position of sense and conscience, there are people speaking from a position of lack of critical thinking and various stages of denial via buyer's remorse. One side wants to protect the public from a con job, facade of a product which is little more than a running series of advertisements and delays, one side has been tricked this is the way things should be and that this is all perfectly acceptable.
It's not acceptable. Defending this project is misguided at best. Tell CIG to stop talking and finish what they started, what they said years ago they could do with x million dollars, which was considerably less than they've received. That would be defending yourself. It's only to your benefit.
There we are we the con, scam, blah blah blah. Your bias clouds your judgement and end of the day know it, you'll never admit to that but wathever I don't care, people who just want ONE side of the story, who just tell ONE side of a story. You can pretend you are neutral but you aren't, neutral discussions have BOTH sides of a story. And comparing you to the actual people on this forum who can actually have those discussions; you're not one of those, but you can tell yourself that if that makes you feel better.
all the peopleThe three executives who were standing in the room when he said is 'who would know' Prove-able age discrimination is illegal, it happens but its still illegal if it can be proved. thusly you would not want to basically tell a groupthree other of people who agree with you that its what your going to do, that is stupidwhat happens every day.
I very simply do not believe you.
OK, it's your fantasy world. Who am I do shove reality into your rainbows and unicorns love-fest?
I also do not believe that you would be stupid enough to post it if your position is what you claim it is
I'm not. I'm smart enough to keep it anonymous when talking about it.
CIL
clearly missed what I said which is shocking. derp? really?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Weird, I have been playing that con job all week, Thanks for trying to protect us though, that's very kind of you.
You have not been playing completed Squadron 42 or completed Star Citizen. You're playing with incomplete tech demos, passed off as a product.
You're articulate. I think there will come a day, possibly sooner than later, you'll wake up to realize what's going on. In spite of your unnecessary attacks on me, I really do believe this. As a matter of fact, those very attacks on me are your release of the inner issues you hold for the project you can't force yourself to admit, a deflection of your disgust from CIG to the outside world.
Think about it.
They still making an MMO vastly more complex than others, so if it would be finished by now that would be a miracle. Not to mention they are making 2 games, and they needed to build the teams, pipelines, studios, etc.
They still making an MMO vastly more complex than others, so if it would be finished by now that would be a miracle. Not to mention they are making 2 games, and they needed to build the teams, pipelines, studios, etc.
And thats the self fulfilling reason why they (apparently/allegedly) are still bringing money in hand over fist. Because despite any sort of common sense arguments they still need more time and money (other than the 4 years and 140 million) Because it too them time and money to just get started. Forget all the self proclaimed and missed deadlines and calendars, forget all the changes, forget all the half truths, deceptions, outright lies, forget the change in stance, forget the 'minimal viable product' forget ALL of that AND more.
Thats exactly what they want people to do. Just forget all that and focus on the future, one that is still ahuge question and one still riddled with cash sales for a game that isnt any closer to getting finished today than it was 6 months ago despite them also (allegedly) working with Amazon for more than twice that long.
I wonder if the captain of the Titanic argued with his officers calling them c**nts and accusing them of harming the voyage by giving him bad news after they had hit the iceberg? Ship still went to the bottom of the fucking sea. BD Ship E.
I wonder if the captain of the Titanic argued with his officers calling them c**nts and accusing them of harming the voyage by giving him bad news after they had hit the iceberg? Ship still went to the bottom of the fucking sea. BD Ship E.
Not a good comparison, first 'cause the Titanic did sink, and CIG doesn't show any signs of going diwn, or financial trouble.
Second 'cause most critics are clueless about the development so they are not like officers, more like passengers, but seeing that majority of them are not a backer and never thought about backing they are more like the waving relatives of the passengers in the port. Alsi i think the captain would have argued with the passengers who knew nothing about ships, crying iceberg at every snow drop, and accusing him of being a bad captain because they haven't arrived at the destination after 4 days, tho the ship needs 7 days to make the trip.
And it's just terminology end of the day, one can see Amazon as their partner as being their licensees, part of the relationship that the license would involve (sharing work and such). He also used it 3 times on that thread.
And it's just terminology end of the day, one can see Amazon as their partner as being their licensees, part of the relationship that the license would involve. He also used it 3 times on that thread.
Pedantically he used the words partnership, partnered and partner, one time for each word, so factually he did not say partnership multiple times.
It's just business lingo, it sounds better, it sounds more important or more reassuring to people with no business experience. Amazon are providing the engine at no cost as well as infrastructure and CIG have decided to use that.
I think it's the best thing given the circumstances.
And it's just terminology end of the day, one can see Amazon as their partner as being their licensees, part of the relationship that the license would involve. He also used it 3 times on that thread.
Pedantically he used the words partnership, partnered and partner, one time for each word, so factually he did not say partnership multiple times.
It's just business lingo, it sounds better, it sounds more important or more reassuring to people with no business experience. Amazon are providing the engine at no cost as well as infrastructure and CIG have decided to use that.
I think it's the best thing given the circumstances.
Basically the same partnership that I've decided to enter with my local Walmart.
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it. The cake is a lie.
Regardless, I find the continued funding success behind SC of far more interest than the game(s) themselves.
Me too actually. It has been that way for quite a while.
It's like watching a bizarre social experiment that touches on many interesting contemporary topics: social media mob mentality, first world pollyannaish gamer dreams and the affluence that fuels them, public displays of raw game developer jealousy, use and misuse of corporate and defamation legalese... the list goes on.
In this context, as a disinterested observer, DS is the perfect foil for CS.
What about Kerbal Space Program and the currently on going story of 7 days to die.
How about not going all OCD on forum threads and compulsively replying to every post with useless nonsense?
I will give that some thought, thanks for your insight
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
We will still be discussing about a release date in 3 years from now.
Turns out that the evil suit wearers who ruin the creativity of developers by enforcing a release date actually fullfill a pretty important role after all.
Two very important roles. Not only do they keep projects flowing in a reasonable fashion but they shelter the teams from constant scrutiny by having communications professionals control the speaking points.
It's not just SC. We've seen what amateur PR did to NMS and what the constant scrutiny of crowdfunded games does when a developer pulls ideas out his rear end during the conceptual phase in COE.
In the early days of KS some people actually did think that removing studio oversight was a good thing. Most have figured out by now that it ain't necessarily so.
For the games that do release (D:OS 1+2, POE, Tyranny, Wasteland 2 ETC) I'd say it's been a boon for the most part, the jury is still out when it comes to MMOs though. Which development time is simply much longer. more questionable and comes with a lot of what ifs. With SC as well as COE, where I say they went wrong was not being upfront about that dev time and what ifs. That said.. saying give us money now and wait close to a decade to get your game is a much harder sell.
Also i think if you wish to have a good discussion, Derek smart isn't the best point of reference.
Did you read what he wrote? He makes some good points.
This isn't just about being two years past the release date. It's about when and if the game(s) ever get released.
Aaaand just like that, all credibility right out the window. Sorry chum, if you think Derek has ANY agenda beyond just wanting to throw mud at Roberts and Co. then you are sorely mistaken.
As said previously, if you want to have a serious discussion, then Derek is better left out of it, his agenda is well known around here.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
Comments
It's not acceptable. Defending this project is misguided at best. Tell CIG to stop talking and finish what they started, what they said years ago they could do with x million dollars, which was considerably less than they've received. That would be defending yourself. It's only to your benefit.
Merry Christmas
There is no Christmas this year, unless the gift would be Star Citizen forum drama; free drama for everyone, merry christmas! :pleased:
To a 2017 full of MMORPG.com Star Citizen forum drama, shall many alt accounts be banned as we go on the circle of lif... SC threads.
derp? really?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Not to mention they are making 2 games, and they needed to build the teams, pipelines, studios, etc.
Thats exactly what they want people to do. Just forget all that and focus on the future, one that is still ahuge question and one still riddled with cash sales for a game that isnt any closer to getting finished today than it was 6 months ago despite them also (allegedly) working with Amazon for more than twice that long.
Second 'cause most critics are clueless about the development so they are not like officers, more like passengers, but seeing that majority of them are not a backer and never thought about backing they are more like the waving relatives of the passengers in the port.
Alsi i think the captain would have argued with the passengers who knew nothing about ships, crying iceberg at every snow drop, and accusing him of being a bad captain because they haven't arrived at the destination after 4 days, tho the ship needs 7 days to make the trip.
The thing is MaxxyBoy, he does not say the word partnership multiple times, he mentions it just the once...
David Swofford on the other hand says that the relationship between CIG and Amazon is that of them being a regular licensee of Amazon's technology.
http://www.kotaku.co.uk/2016/12/24/star-citizen-has-changed-game-engines
And it's just terminology end of the day, one can see Amazon as their partner as being their licensees, part of the relationship that the license would involve (sharing work and such). He also used it 3 times on that thread.
Pedantically he used the words partnership, partnered and partner, one time for each word, so factually he did not say partnership multiple times.
It's just business lingo, it sounds better, it sounds more important or more reassuring to people with no business experience. Amazon are providing the engine at no cost as well as infrastructure and CIG have decided to use that.
I think it's the best thing given the circumstances.
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
As said previously, if you want to have a serious discussion, then Derek is better left out of it, his agenda is well known around here.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.