Also name a single game where you pay and actually WIN the game?
Why is it so hard to just stick to descriptions that match what is really going on - pay for advantage, pay for convenience, or pay for faster progression?
At least those are real.
P2W is not.
Maybe because all of those take up way more syllables and a hell of a lot longer to type than "pay-to-win".
You could reduce any of those to a 3 letter acronym - just like P2W.
But the real reason is explained by Graham's hierarchy of Disagreement - and lets face it "P2W" is name calling - and guess what that's the bottom of the pyramid, the lowest form:
Its common knowledge that all of those things put together and you get P2W. So we got a simplified version or your version which is overly drawn out. You sound like that guy who always wants to argue over the term mmo. You have a point but its kinda pointless to argue it.
I'll be glad once the genre collapses and is born anew with old school elements(Already is happening just 2-3 years is when the games release). Let the casual player base go play Mobas.
Is that just before hell freezes over, or afterwards ? Or do you have reliable sources showing that the genre is indeed collapsing and moving back to "old school" tedium ? Wishful thinking doesn't count as a reliable source, by the way.
I believe his only source is the countless threads crying about it on this site.
I'll be glad once the genre collapses and is born anew with old school elements(Already is happening just 2-3 years is when the games release). Let the casual player base go play Mobas.
Is that just before hell freezes over, or afterwards ? Or do you have reliable sources showing that the genre is indeed collapsing and moving back to "old school" tedium ? Wishful thinking doesn't count as a reliable source, by the way.
I believe his only source is the countless threads crying about it on this site.
Sadly for anyone who uses this site's user base as a statistical representative of the gamer population as a whole, the forum base for this site is possibly the equivalent of a bunch of old men screaming "Back in my day, we had to walk 50 feet in the snow up hill barefoot both ways and everyone enjoyed it!!!". Hmm... has there ever been a census on the average age of a forum user here? I'd be rather surprised if we had many young 'uns, at any rate.
Dude you think thats bad. Virginia has a toll road that is pay to win. Its one of the most disgusting things I have seen in a while. So basically they produce bad roads then make you pay for the good roads. So if you aren't willing to pay a high toll you have to sit in heavy traffic.
This just sounds like a case of entitlement in the real world NOT P2W. Those who don't pay the toll feel entitled and should be allowed to use that toll road for free. Btw Virginia isn't the only place that has toll roads.
I didn't expect you to read the entire article but at least a few of the paragraphs. The toll price increases as traffic increases. So when you got heavy bumper to bumper traffic and its literally going to take you 2 hours to sit through it. Or you can pay 30$ toll for a 10 mile highway and avoid it. Can't you see how they can easily create traffic jams for the sole purpose of making that 10 mile highway sell better? I mean it won't be that hard to invent really bad flowing roads for the purpose of making drivers pay that extra price.
Now we jump to conpiracy theories...
Call it coincidence that their price gouging is making them countless millions at the expense of tax payers who they are suppose to be subject to. Or you can just blindly trust people who overcharge you for things.
Dude you think thats bad. Virginia has a toll road that is pay to win. Its one of the most disgusting things I have seen in a while. So basically they produce bad roads then make you pay for the good roads. So if you aren't willing to pay a high toll you have to sit in heavy traffic.
This just sounds like a case of entitlement in the real world NOT P2W. Those who don't pay the toll feel entitled and should be allowed to use that toll road for free. Btw Virginia isn't the only place that has toll roads.
I didn't expect you to read the entire article but at least a few of the paragraphs. The toll price increases as traffic increases. So when you got heavy bumper to bumper traffic and its literally going to take you 2 hours to sit through it. Or you can pay 30$ toll for a 10 mile highway and avoid it. Can't you see how they can easily create traffic jams for the sole purpose of making that 10 mile highway sell better? I mean it won't be that hard to invent really bad flowing roads for the purpose of making drivers pay that extra price.
Now we jump to conpiracy theories...
Call it coincidence that their price gouging is making them countless millions at the expense of tax payers who they are suppose to be subject to. Or you can just blindly trust people who overcharge you for things.
It's not "overcharging" if it's a service people pay for. Just because you thinks it's some grand conspiracy doesn't mean everyone will.
Real life is already pay to win, we dont want that in the game.
Cosmetic shop is the answer
and open pvp is pointless, i want sandbox pve like ragnarok online
Eh, not sure about no open pvp, but yep, p2w is shit for mmorpgs. It's already been proven you can have a f2p model that is fair and makes money (Tera for example). You can make money on cosmetics, it's proven. It's abundant in MOBAs, whose profits dwarf mmorpgs.
The only reason to go p2w is burn your game to the ground for more profits in the short term. It's bad for the industry and it's bad for us as gamers.
There is no such thing as a "level playing field"...
After all time is a resource. A mighty valuable one to boot. Why should people who has more of it be granted better rewards when we are all as gamers as invested in the medium.. =P Is it because of a MORAL ideal of earning things. Because unless you commit fraud or steal the money you spend... They have been earned too.
P2W is bad only if you design it to be. (since very few non-mobile games are actually P2W these days since there is a cultural resistance to it, unlike on mobile games since these are more fire and forget) P2Easy.. Well that is for all intents just good biz.
As for the gamble of "loot boxes"... They are simply boss monsters you slay with your credit card... Since all MMO´s have gamble mechanics... That is how we keep grinding.
And another thing about the loot boxes... In a way we asked for them... We did after all look developers and publishers firmly in the eyes and told them "we" did not like them selling this or that and we wanted it to be "earned"... So they put them in loot boxes adn that way we have to earn them with our credit card.
In short... Use said card to voice your opinion, metrics beats opinions every day of the week.
There is no such thing as a "level playing field"...
After all time is a resource.
This is the dumbest argument p2w advocates always come up with. "Time" is "playing the game". You should be rewarded in the game for playing the game. It's common sense. These are role playing games. Your character should not be suddenly completely op because you decided to waste your money. It's stupid, breaks the game's immersion, and is bad for gamers in general.
There are so many things rich people can get their jollies off buying- leave role playing games out of it. These games are meant as escapes or other worlds, not a mirror of the bullshit economic system we all slave under.
There is no such thing as a "level playing field"...
After all time is a resource.
This is the dumbest argument p2w advocates always come up with. "Time" is "playing the game". You should be rewarded in the game for playing the game. It's common sense. These are role playing games. Your character should not be suddenly completely op because you decided to waste your money. It's stupid, breaks the game's immersion, and is bad for gamers in general.
There are so many things rich people can get their jollies off buying- leave role playing games out of it.
It breaks the immersion FOR YOU, its bad FOR YOU, its stupid FOR YOU, it's NOT up to YOU what "rich people get their jollies off".
Lesson here you don't speak for anyone but yourself and you have no say what others spend their money on.
Just for fun can you name some of these P2W games!
There is no such thing as a "level playing field"...
After all time is a resource.
This is the dumbest argument p2w advocates always come up with. "Time" is "playing the game". You should be rewarded in the game for playing the game. It's common sense. These are role playing games. Your character should not be suddenly completely op because you decided to waste your money. It's stupid, breaks the game's immersion, and is bad for gamers in general.
There are so many things rich people can get their jollies off buying- leave role playing games out of it.
It breaks the immersion FOR YOU, its bad FOR YOU, its stupid FOR YOU, it's NOT up to YOU what "rich people get their jollies off".
Lesson here you don't speak for anyone but yourself and you have no say what others spend their money on.
Just for fun can you name some of these P2W games!
No, it breaks the immersion of the game world. Your character is suddenly a God when you in real life decide to waste your money. It has no connection to the game world.
Immersion means involving yourself in the game world, fyi.
There is no such thing as a "level playing field"...
After all time is a resource.
This is the dumbest argument p2w advocates always come up with. "Time" is "playing the game". You should be rewarded in the game for playing the game. It's common sense. These are role playing games. Your character should not be suddenly completely op because you decided to waste your money. It's stupid, breaks the game's immersion, and is bad for gamers in general.
There are so many things rich people can get their jollies off buying- leave role playing games out of it.
It breaks the immersion FOR YOU, its bad FOR YOU, its stupid FOR YOU, it's NOT up to YOU what "rich people get their jollies off".
Lesson here you don't speak for anyone but yourself and you have no say what others spend their money on.
Just for fun can you name some of these P2W games!
No, it breaks the immersion of the game world. Your character is suddenly a God when you in real life decide to waste your money. It has no connection to the game world.
Immersion means involving yourself in the game world, fyi.
And what game does this exist in? Where you can pay and become god and you lose all immersion?
There is no such thing as a "level playing field"...
After all time is a resource.
This is the dumbest argument p2w advocates always come up with. "Time" is "playing the game". You should be rewarded in the game for playing the game. It's common sense. These are role playing games. Your character should not be suddenly completely op because you decided to waste your money. It's stupid, breaks the game's immersion, and is bad for gamers in general.
There are so many things rich people can get their jollies off buying- leave role playing games out of it. These games are meant as escapes or other worlds, not a mirror of the bullshit economic system we all slave under.
You do not have to be rich to enjoy the benefit of paying for services.
Example: I enjoy playing WoW and i love alts. I hate slogging through 5 expansions and a core game of static content getting to the current one. I have about 2-3 hours a day to play games.
I feel that the auto level up token is a fair trade, even if that is about as P2W as you can get in PvE.
I could even argue that giving people a way to buy them self past some hurdles (especially if they are not current content) does in fact level the playing field more than it upsets it.
THIS DOES OF COURSE NOT extend to for an example selling outright better gear or games like Neverwinter where in the PvP grind is so horrid that those who do not pay are looking at YEARS to be competitive in the CURRENT meta.
TL:DR There are shades of hell. Nothing is black and white.
PS. Someone using their CC does not break my immersion in a RPG... Someone having a character with a name like holdenhamlet or Legge Lass... That is what does it. Ds.
There is no such thing as a "level playing field"...
After all time is a resource.
This is the dumbest argument p2w advocates always come up with. "Time" is "playing the game". You should be rewarded in the game for playing the game. It's common sense. These are role playing games. Your character should not be suddenly completely op because you decided to waste your money. It's stupid, breaks the game's immersion, and is bad for gamers in general.
There are so many things rich people can get their jollies off buying- leave role playing games out of it. These games are meant as escapes or other worlds, not a mirror of the bullshit economic system we all slave under.
Note that I strongly dislike "pay to win" - but let me be the devil's advocate here and allow me to slightly edit a sentence of your post...
"Your character should not be suddenly completely op because you have no life, live in your parent's basement and can play 16 hours a day. It's stupid, breaks the game's immersion, and is
bad for gamers in general."
That's the major difference between MMORPGs and "real" (pen and paper) RPGs. In MMORPGs, the "Dungeon Master" is a computer who is there 24/24 7/7. So time becomes the major factor of the game, instead of, let's say... role playing...
Yeah it's the "instead of role playing" that's the problem.
No-lifers always had an advantage in role-playing games, and they earned it through hard worthless and tireless work. Their character earned their power through combat.
Dungeon masters can do you favors I guess but it's pretty fucking bogus if you can bribe them to make your character strong. It defeats the purpose of the game.
In role-playing games, we are creating new virtual lives. Any interference with the real world tarnishes the experience.
When you log in to your character, you should think about what you need to do in the virtual world to get stronger, not how much real life money you're willing to fork over. It's blatantly abhorrent.
Role-playing is not a thing people do often. But it's tons of fun and should be celebrated and cherished, imo.
I mean, take a D&D example. Say you could bribe the dungeon master to give you 20 levels. You just cheated both you and him/her out of the fun of playing through those adventures (the whole point of the game).
Perhaps this has been tried before and failed but what if a game allowed you to access it for three hours and no more for a day but allowed you to pay and access it longer. The people paying to access it longer is similar to someone who plays all day and has no job or life basically but this time they have to pay to play longer. What is the difference aside from the game profiting from people who want to play it longer.
When you log in to your character, you should think about what you need to do in the virtual world to get stronger, not how much real life money you're willing to fork over. It's blatantly abhorrent.
What is the difference? Really..?
It is as you say a virtual world... It is not real.
Care to hear the ugly truth....?
It is called entitlement. You somehow feel that the "pain" and "suffering" you went through gets cheapened if someone does not go through that same suffering (unless you have a token to show that you actually did it).. It is the "walking to school, uphill both ways" argument. That is why you feel it abhorrent, when in reality is matters piss and less.
P2W is bad when the game is a bloody chore and not fun unless you pay (see most mobile strategy titles for an example) or of all the best traits of the game is locked behind a recurring paywall (Like Transformers: Earth Wars or.. well.. any TCG or CCG made.. ever.)
When it just offers a faster way to a equal state... (not a absurdly faster.. just faster) i could not care less.
Pay for anything is bad, everything should be earned in the game since we paid for the game. Not to mention these terrible pre-alpha testing gimmicks for $100.
Pay for anything is bad, everything should be earned in the game since we paid for the game. Not to mention these terrible pre-alpha testing gimmicks for $100.
Let me go back to the WoW example i made before.
Should i be able to auto level any alt i want for free too.? After all i did buy the game and i have played it through the entire way. Because that would be sweet since it currently cost 50$/£/€
I am happy to pay for such a service since my time is more valuable to me than the money. I have precious little of it and there is a lot of outdated gameplay to get trough to current content.
Paid alpha... Well that just falls under the notion of "do i want it bad enough" for an example i really look forward to a few games in EA right now. But seeing how they will go F2P or B2P once released, i prefer to wait and see.
I'm curious if you p2wers would be cool with paying $100 to milton bradley so you always get a hotel on boardwark to start the game in Monopoly. Busy wage-earners have no time to be rolling dice and going around a board, after all.
Is that a fun game? More importantly, would your friends who did not pay the ransom to Milton Bradley enjoy playing the game with you?
I'm curious if you p2wers would be cool with paying $100 to milton bradley so you always get a hotel on boardwark to start the game. Busy wage-earners have no time to be rolling dice and going around a board, after all.
How long does a play of Monopoly take..? Compared to for an example going from 1-100 with full blue gear in WoW... (and WoW is known to be pretty f.ing casual) or Getting a capitial ship in EvE...
But to answer your question...
Using base rules... No. Playing a version of the game where it is balanced around this. Sure.
But then again anyone actually playing monopoly should be taken out back and be sent packing.
Dude you think thats bad. Virginia has a toll road that is pay to win. Its one of the most disgusting things I have seen in a while. So basically they produce bad roads then make you pay for the good roads. So if you aren't willing to pay a high toll you have to sit in heavy traffic.
This just sounds like a case of entitlement in the real world NOT P2W. Those who don't pay the toll feel entitled and should be allowed to use that toll road for free. Btw Virginia isn't the only place that has toll roads.
I didn't expect you to read the entire article but at least a few of the paragraphs. The toll price increases as traffic increases. So when you got heavy bumper to bumper traffic and its literally going to take you 2 hours to sit through it. Or you can pay 30$ toll for a 10 mile highway and avoid it. Can't you see how they can easily create traffic jams for the sole purpose of making that 10 mile highway sell better? I mean it won't be that hard to invent really bad flowing roads for the purpose of making drivers pay that extra price.
Now we jump to conpiracy theories...
Call it coincidence that their price gouging is making them countless millions at the expense of tax payers who they are suppose to be subject to. Or you can just blindly trust people who overcharge you for things.
It's not "overcharging" if it's a service people pay for. Just because you thinks it's some grand conspiracy doesn't mean everyone will.
You have to either be ...
1. Someone who does not own a car. 2. Someone who lives in the middle of nowhere and have never seen a toll road. 3. Someone who didn't even look at the article and is just blowing stuff out their ass.
Dude you think thats bad. Virginia has a toll road that is pay to win. Its one of the most disgusting things I have seen in a while. So basically they produce bad roads then make you pay for the good roads. So if you aren't willing to pay a high toll you have to sit in heavy traffic.
This just sounds like a case of entitlement in the real world NOT P2W. Those who don't pay the toll feel entitled and should be allowed to use that toll road for free. Btw Virginia isn't the only place that has toll roads.
I didn't expect you to read the entire article but at least a few of the paragraphs. The toll price increases as traffic increases. So when you got heavy bumper to bumper traffic and its literally going to take you 2 hours to sit through it. Or you can pay 30$ toll for a 10 mile highway and avoid it. Can't you see how they can easily create traffic jams for the sole purpose of making that 10 mile highway sell better? I mean it won't be that hard to invent really bad flowing roads for the purpose of making drivers pay that extra price.
Now we jump to conpiracy theories...
Call it coincidence that their price gouging is making them countless millions at the expense of tax payers who they are suppose to be subject to. Or you can just blindly trust people who overcharge you for things.
It's not "overcharging" if it's a service people pay for. Just because you thinks it's some grand conspiracy doesn't mean everyone will.
You have to either be ...
1. Someone who does not own a car. 2. Someone who lives in the middle of nowhere and have never seen a toll road. 3. Someone who didn't even look at the article and is just blowing stuff out their ass.
I already told you Virginia is NOT the only place with toll roads, we have carpool lanes where I live that you have a to pay to use. I used to travel all across this country and have spent my fair share on toll roads. So yeah nice try. What you are upset aboutis a simple case of supply and demand..
Dude you think thats bad. Virginia has a toll road that is pay to win. Its one of the most disgusting things I have seen in a while. So basically they produce bad roads then make you pay for the good roads. So if you aren't willing to pay a high toll you have to sit in heavy traffic.
This just sounds like a case of entitlement in the real world NOT P2W. Those who don't pay the toll feel entitled and should be allowed to use that toll road for free. Btw Virginia isn't the only place that has toll roads.
I didn't expect you to read the entire article but at least a few of the paragraphs. The toll price increases as traffic increases. So when you got heavy bumper to bumper traffic and its literally going to take you 2 hours to sit through it. Or you can pay 30$ toll for a 10 mile highway and avoid it. Can't you see how they can easily create traffic jams for the sole purpose of making that 10 mile highway sell better? I mean it won't be that hard to invent really bad flowing roads for the purpose of making drivers pay that extra price.
Now we jump to conpiracy theories...
Call it coincidence that their price gouging is making them countless millions at the expense of tax payers who they are suppose to be subject to. Or you can just blindly trust people who overcharge you for things.
It's not "overcharging" if it's a service people pay for. Just because you thinks it's some grand conspiracy doesn't mean everyone will.
You have to either be ...
1. Someone who does not own a car. 2. Someone who lives in the middle of nowhere and have never seen a toll road. 3. Someone who didn't even look at the article and is just blowing stuff out their ass.
I already told you Virginia is NOT the only place with toll roads, we have carpool lanes where I live that you have a to pay to use. I used to travel all across this country and have spent my fair share on toll roads. So yeah nice try. What you are upset aboutis a simple case of supply and demand..
Sure thing I guess if there is little demand for the toll road makes sense for them to charge 1.25 for entrance. Then during rush hour or anything that causes a ton of heavy traffic. IDK maybe like road work. They charge up to 30$. Thats called price gouging not supply and demand.
Dude you think thats bad. Virginia has a toll road that is pay to win. Its one of the most disgusting things I have seen in a while. So basically they produce bad roads then make you pay for the good roads. So if you aren't willing to pay a high toll you have to sit in heavy traffic.
This just sounds like a case of entitlement in the real world NOT P2W. Those who don't pay the toll feel entitled and should be allowed to use that toll road for free. Btw Virginia isn't the only place that has toll roads.
I didn't expect you to read the entire article but at least a few of the paragraphs. The toll price increases as traffic increases. So when you got heavy bumper to bumper traffic and its literally going to take you 2 hours to sit through it. Or you can pay 30$ toll for a 10 mile highway and avoid it. Can't you see how they can easily create traffic jams for the sole purpose of making that 10 mile highway sell better? I mean it won't be that hard to invent really bad flowing roads for the purpose of making drivers pay that extra price.
Now we jump to conpiracy theories...
Call it coincidence that their price gouging is making them countless millions at the expense of tax payers who they are suppose to be subject to. Or you can just blindly trust people who overcharge you for things.
It's not "overcharging" if it's a service people pay for. Just because you thinks it's some grand conspiracy doesn't mean everyone will.
You have to either be ...
1. Someone who does not own a car. 2. Someone who lives in the middle of nowhere and have never seen a toll road. 3. Someone who didn't even look at the article and is just blowing stuff out their ass.
I already told you Virginia is NOT the only place with toll roads, we have carpool lanes where I live that you have a to pay to use. I used to travel all across this country and have spent my fair share on toll roads. So yeah nice try. What you are upset aboutis a simple case of supply and demand..
Sure thing I guess if there is little demand for the toll road makes sense for them to charge 1.25 for entrance. Then during rush hour or anything that causes a ton of heavy traffic. IDK maybe like road work. They charge up to 30$. Thats called price gouging not supply and demand.
No it's called supply and demand. During rush hour or construction the (get ready) DEMAND is higher so they price it higher. It's the same with sport tickets. During the regular season tickets are $20 but come playoffs the ticket price goes up to $100. Why SUPPLY and DEMAND...it's rather simple. If you need more examples just ask I can give them to you all day.
I'm curious if you p2wers would be cool with paying $100 to milton bradley so you always get a hotel on boardwark to start the game in Monopoly. Busy wage-earners have no time to be rolling dice and going around a board, after all.
Is that a fun game? More importantly, would your friends who did not pay the ransom to Milton Bradley enjoy playing the game with you?
I suspect not.
Four people playing a game that lasts a few hours is not the same as hundreds playing a game that lasts for years. It would be like some people leaving the game for 15 to 20 mins while everyone else kept playing.
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The only reason to go p2w is burn your game to the ground for more profits in the short term. It's bad for the industry and it's bad for us as gamers.
There is no such thing as a "level playing field"...
After all time is a resource. A mighty valuable one to boot. Why should people who has more of it be granted better rewards when we are all as gamers as invested in the medium.. =P Is it because of a MORAL ideal of earning things. Because unless you commit fraud or steal the money you spend... They have been earned too.
P2W is bad only if you design it to be. (since very few non-mobile games are actually P2W these days since there is a cultural resistance to it, unlike on mobile games since these are more fire and forget) P2Easy.. Well that is for all intents just good biz.
As for the gamble of "loot boxes"... They are simply boss monsters you slay with your credit card... Since all MMO´s have gamble mechanics... That is how we keep grinding.
And another thing about the loot boxes... In a way we asked for them... We did after all look developers and publishers firmly in the eyes and told them "we" did not like them selling this or that and we wanted it to be "earned"... So they put them in loot boxes adn that way we have to earn them with our credit card.
In short... Use said card to voice your opinion, metrics beats opinions every day of the week.
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There are so many things rich people can get their jollies off buying- leave role playing games out of it. These games are meant as escapes or other worlds, not a mirror of the bullshit economic system we all slave under.
Lesson here you don't speak for anyone but yourself and you have no say what others spend their money on.
Just for fun can you name some of these P2W games!
Immersion means involving yourself in the game world, fyi.
Example: I enjoy playing WoW and i love alts. I hate slogging through 5 expansions and a core game of static content getting to the current one. I have about 2-3 hours a day to play games.
I feel that the auto level up token is a fair trade, even if that is about as P2W as you can get in PvE.
I could even argue that giving people a way to buy them self past some hurdles (especially if they are not current content) does in fact level the playing field more than it upsets it.
THIS DOES OF COURSE NOT extend to for an example selling outright better gear or games like Neverwinter where in the PvP grind is so horrid that those who do not pay are looking at YEARS to be competitive in the CURRENT meta.
TL:DR There are shades of hell. Nothing is black and white.
PS. Someone using their CC does not break my immersion in a RPG... Someone having a character with a name like holdenhamlet or Legge Lass... That is what does it. Ds.
This have been a good conversation
No-lifers always had an advantage in role-playing games, and they earned it through hard worthless and tireless work. Their character earned their power through combat.
Dungeon masters can do you favors I guess but it's pretty fucking bogus if you can bribe them to make your character strong. It defeats the purpose of the game.
In role-playing games, we are creating new virtual lives. Any interference with the real world tarnishes the experience.
When you log in to your character, you should think about what you need to do in the virtual world to get stronger, not how much real life money you're willing to fork over. It's blatantly abhorrent.
Role-playing is not a thing people do often. But it's tons of fun and should be celebrated and cherished, imo.
I mean, take a D&D example. Say you could bribe the dungeon master to give you 20 levels. You just cheated both you and him/her out of the fun of playing through those adventures (the whole point of the game).
Essentially the P2W is the time you play.
What is the difference? Really..?
It is as you say a virtual world... It is not real.
Care to hear the ugly truth....?
It is called entitlement. You somehow feel that the "pain" and "suffering" you went through gets cheapened if someone does not go through that same suffering (unless you have a token to show that you actually did it).. It is the "walking to school, uphill both ways" argument. That is why you feel it abhorrent, when in reality is matters piss and less.
P2W is bad when the game is a bloody chore and not fun unless you pay (see most mobile strategy titles for an example) or of all the best traits of the game is locked behind a recurring paywall (Like Transformers: Earth Wars or.. well.. any TCG or CCG made.. ever.)
When it just offers a faster way to a equal state... (not a absurdly faster.. just faster) i could not care less.
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Should i be able to auto level any alt i want for free too.? After all i did buy the game and i have played it through the entire way. Because that would be sweet since it currently cost 50$/£/€
I am happy to pay for such a service since my time is more valuable to me than the money. I have precious little of it and there is a lot of outdated gameplay to get trough to current content.
Paid alpha... Well that just falls under the notion of "do i want it bad enough" for an example i really look forward to a few games in EA right now. But seeing how they will go F2P or B2P once released, i prefer to wait and see.
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Is that a fun game? More importantly, would your friends who did not pay the ransom to Milton Bradley enjoy playing the game with you?
I suspect not.
But to answer your question...
Using base rules... No.
Playing a version of the game where it is balanced around this. Sure.
But then again anyone actually playing monopoly should be taken out back and be sent packing.
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1. Someone who does not own a car.
2. Someone who lives in the middle of nowhere and have never seen a toll road.
3. Someone who didn't even look at the article and is just blowing stuff out their ass.
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