I've never had a problem with RMT since it happens anyway. In this case I really hope that they'll take a cut of the transactions. At least that way some of the money will be going back into the game.
But thats not what happened... as cash shops have shown clearly that people ARE willing to spend money to save time.
There is no denying that video game industry has changed the players perception to where cash shops are accepted by majority of playerbase.
RMT caters to people that dont mind spending money to enjoy their games.
they are not posers - they are your average players today, as people realize hey throwing cash to speed up progress works.
You can have most things if you are willing to spend money - not a very hard concept to understand either
When is a poser not a poser? When the average player poses. Nice alternative fact spin
And yup, you can buy almost everything... is a bought achievement worth just as much as one you earned?
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I've never had a problem with RMT since it happens anyway. In this case I really hope that they'll take a cut of the transactions. At least that way some of the money will be going back into the game.
I could give a crap if some dough head bought his epic sword of epeen, but It would be of great benefit to get rid of all the RMT spam and account hacking in a game.
I this game it's not just about buying a sword of epeen. It's about buying resources in a territory control game with a self described closed economy and finite resources.
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I this game it's not just about buying a sword of epeen. It's about buying resources in a territory control game with a self described closed economy and finite resources.
Well then any kind of RMT (official or not) makes this title cease to be a game.
Finite resources will mean, zergs and large guilds monopolizing them. Once the dominant guild is established the rest will either quit or re-roll and join.
Thus leaving the RMT bots to run 24/7 and the one big guild.
And eventually everyone from the one big guild will leave because they got tired of fighting bots/npcs.
If the game is going towards RMT then they need to set up an action house for that. One that people wont risk getting ripped off. They just put their stamp of approval on it. So going forward anything that goes wrong, its on them.
But thats not what happened... as cash shops have shown clearly that people ARE willing to spend money to save time.
There is no denying that video game industry has changed the players perception to where cash shops are accepted by majority of playerbase.
RMT caters to people that dont mind spending money to enjoy their games.
they are not posers - they are your average players today, as people realize hey throwing cash to speed up progress works.
You can have most things if you are willing to spend money - not a very hard concept to understand either
When is a poser not a poser? When the average player poses. Nice alternative fact spin
And yup, you can buy almost everything... is a bought achievement worth just as much as one you earned?
A bought achievment in a video game... meh who cares?
A bought achievement in RL - huge difference.
Same goes for a "poser" - we are talking about MMOs....right?
Ah yes. The default "it's only a game so nothing matters" argument when you run out of real arguments
So why did you care so much about cheating in BDO last year that you used to post on a daily basis about the latest BDO cheating outrage and the developer's incompetence? Wasn't BDO also just a game?
Sorry bud not buying your situational "it's only a game" thing.
Kind of reminds me of Iverson
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
I this game it's not just about buying a sword of epeen. It's about buying resources in a territory control game with a self described closed economy and finite resources.
So are you saying that these things would NOT be available from blackmarket sites if they didn't offer it? I think it's foolish to believe that. The problem isn't necessarily the RMT, but creating things that are finite which drive the price up and make them accessible only to the people looking to put a lot of real money into it. However, RMT has little to do with that, it's the model of the game that controls the value of in-game items. No?
I this game it's not just about buying a sword of epeen. It's about buying resources in a territory control game with a self described closed economy and finite resources.
So are you saying that these things would NOT be available from blackmarket sites if they didn't offer it? I think it's foolish to believe that. The problem isn't necessarily the RMT, but creating things that are finite which drive the price up and make them accessible only to the people looking to put a lot of real money into it. However, RMT has little to do with that, it's the model of the game that controls the value of in-game items. No?
No
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But thats not what happened... as cash shops have shown clearly that people ARE willing to spend money to save time.
There is no denying that video game industry has changed the players perception to where cash shops are accepted by majority of playerbase.
RMT caters to people that dont mind spending money to enjoy their games.
they are not posers - they are your average players today, as people realize hey throwing cash to speed up progress works.
You can have most things if you are willing to spend money - not a very hard concept to understand either
When is a poser not a poser? When the average player poses. Nice alternative fact spin
And yup, you can buy almost everything... is a bought achievement worth just as much as one you earned?
A bought achievment in a video game... meh who cares?
A bought achievement in RL - huge difference.
Same goes for a "poser" - we are talking about MMOs....right?
Ah yes. The default "it's only a game so nothing matters" argument when you run out of real arguments
So why did you care so much about cheating in BDO last year that you used to post on a daily basis about the latest BDO cheating outrage and the developer's incompetence? Wasn't BDO also just a game?
Sorry bud not buying your situational "it's only a game" thing.
Kind of reminds me of Iverson
Cheating and RMT are not the same thing.
Nice try Iselin - you are better than this.
Somone posing as a doctor (amazingly this is still happening) and someone posing as max level character in raid gear with a bought acccount - yes there is a huge difference.
BDO is just a game - and yes when it comes to exploiting and cheating where people were basically in God mode in BDO, again this is nowhere near RMT.
Not sure why you are choosing to push such a flawed argument here.
You really didn't get why I brought up your posts about BDO cheating? Wow...
Ok here it goes: NOT because cheating = RMT (close but that wasn't the point) but because you chose to use the "it's only a game" thing, implying that any critique of RMT is too trivial to bother with while at the same time crusading about whatever game related thing interests you when you feel you have a solid argument.... just like you did with your BDO cheating crusade last year.
Do you understand now why I brought that up just to highlight your "it's only a game" hypocrisy when it's something you don't have any problem with?
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
I this game it's not just about buying a sword of epeen. It's about buying resources in a territory control game with a self described closed economy and finite resources.
So are you saying that these things would NOT be available from blackmarket sites if they didn't offer it? I think it's foolish to believe that. The problem isn't necessarily the RMT, but creating things that are finite which drive the price up and make them accessible only to the people looking to put a lot of real money into it. However, RMT has little to do with that, it's the model of the game that controls the value of in-game items. No?
No
So you believe that if they did NOT offer RMT in the game that it would lead to fair competition and that the same people ruling the game today (the theoretical today) wouldn't be the same people controlling the game with RMT in place?
It's not a few people that do this. No one who doesn't have their head up their butts knows it. We've had threads here before talking about people cheating and most here have done it. A multimillion dollar industry doesn't just pop up because a few people here or there aren't doing it.
If a game has free trading RMT is going to happen because most mmo gamers are cheaters. There are very few games without a noticable RMT problem. LotRO is one of the few I can think of and that's mostly because very little of value can be traded.
Most of the cheaters don't care or try and justify it like the guy who always posts about anti-bot software and getting banned from albion for buying gold.
How many people in this thread have purchased gold/rmt or know a guildie or friend who did and didn't report them? Be honest with yourselves and don't try and make any excuses. Start taking responsibility and accountability for our own problem. If players didn't buy gold devs wouldn't have to fight it.
Honestly I've never bought gold or anything else, yet I've known plenty who have, There were quite a few known ebayed/IGE'd Jedi on my old SWG server, one of my in-game friends sold his for a killing, another guy I knew was a bought Jedi who I grouped with regularly, until he was banned for harassment after hurling insults at a bunch of IMPs, while they had him locked in between a bunch of placed terminals.
A lot of dot weapons were acquired this way as well...I think people in general just accepted this back then, I don't remember much stink ever being raised over it TBH. I really don't care if someone buys their +5 sword of badassery today just as I didn't back then.
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I this game it's not just about buying a sword of epeen. It's about buying resources in a territory control game with a self described closed economy and finite resources.
Until duping comes into play. WHich will be going on long before it's caught as always. Just to be clear I am not defending this game. I doubt this game will be even half of what it claims to be, if it even releases at all.
I just wish people would look at this realistically. The more rare and limited things that are in the game the more blackmarket trade, cheating, etc... that will be going on. Be it gold, land, craftables, you name it... Why kid yourself into thinking you're ever playing in a fair, by the book environment?
The only real difference here is it will be like SWG and spam will be every where. Because it's not pursued by CSRs. (yes I'm aware most of that spam wasn't for RMT, yet what difference does that truly make? Be it a barker bot hocking wares on a vendor, or a bot yelling about buffs through door number a. It's all the same to me. Maybe we'll get lucky and there won't be chat bubbles as there were in SWG.
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WoW IP Permabans gold sellers and everyone realm has thousands of them spamming....... if a multi-billion dollar title cannot stop them what can a single million dollar company do? It's a waste of resources.
They can't even spam in CoE.....everything is proximity. So your gonna spam to about 5 people then probably get dropped because OPEN PVP.
Slapshot's constant slander is unreal. Do you not have a life.
WoW IP Permabans gold sellers and everyone realm has thousands of them spamming....... if a multi-billion dollar title cannot stop them what can a single million dollar company do? It's a waste of resources.
They can't even spam in CoE.....everything is proximity. So your gonna spam to about 5 people then probably get dropped because OPEN PVP.
Slapshot's constant slander is unreal. Do you not have a life.
You sure you know what the word slander means?
Slapshot posted something that was true, they are not going to fight RMT.
He also said it was a game about resource and territory control. Again true.
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So basically the cornerstone of CoE being about competition for limited resources in a closed fair PvP world was impossible from the start.
Not that lots of people didn't know that already, of course. Alhhough even I think the whole "Might as well just let people RMT because cheating and duping and RMTing will be everywhere anyways" is a rather pessimistic way of looking at it, however I can't really disagree. I do find it rather amusing that people are saying that as a DEFENSE of CoE, though. All that does is defend the company, but the subtext is the entire game's concept is doomed.
WoW IP Permabans gold sellers and everyone realm has thousands of them spamming....... if a multi-billion dollar title cannot stop them what can a single million dollar company do? It's a waste of resources.
They can't even spam in CoE.....everything is proximity. So your gonna spam to about 5 people then probably get dropped because OPEN PVP.
Slapshot's constant slander is unreal. Do you not have a life.
You sure you know what the word slander means?
Slapshot posted something that was true, they are not going to fight RMT.
He also said it was a game about resource and territory control. Again true.
So where was the slander?
Some people are just so uninformed... not just about the game apparently
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If the big advantage for gold sellers in any game is that they can and will use automatic scripting to harvest resources, what happens to that advantage in a game where literally every player has a scripting engine available for them to use while offline? Everyone is their own bot that can harvest or process resources while you're offline if you want.
lol it's a funny idea but Elyria
isn't your normal game. A "bot" is effectively no different to an OPC or
NPC for that matter. They only way they will get lots of resources is
the same way we will, and they will be paying for each and every spark..
In addition, each "bot" needs all the same supplied as everyone else.
For all their effort, they will rely on other people for tools, food,
clothing etc, thus funding the player economy.
So no advantage to the gold seller above the player so far.. The
short of it: ANYONE, player or bot is potentially just as well placed to
sell their goods, but you're effectively cutting off your own economic
growth in game. If you keep it, perhaps you'd be better to hire NPCs
with it, at which stage you've inadvertantly beaten the bot at their own
game.
Beyond that, unlike many MMOs, you're not invincible in Elyria.
People will doubtless be looking for gold sellers. If word gets out,
they are potentially going to be ambushed, robbed, turfed out and unable
to deliver. If the transaction was a legally binding one, good luck to
them lol. If not, they will rapidly get a bad enough rep for the public
to learn to avoid them.
This is a game where the average player CAN intervene and stomp out those gold sellers. For that reason most of the community (who actually read the design notes fully, unlike the OP) are actively looking forward to spotting people trying to gold sell, just to gank their asses and rob them blind lol.
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When is a poser not a poser? When the average player poses. Nice alternative fact spin
And yup, you can buy almost everything... is a bought achievement worth just as much as one you earned?
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
I could give a crap if some dough head bought his epic sword of epeen, but It would be of great benefit to get rid of all the RMT spam and account hacking in a game.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Well then any kind of RMT (official or not) makes this title cease to be a game.
IMHO
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Thus leaving the RMT bots to run 24/7 and the one big guild.
And eventually everyone from the one big guild will leave because they got tired of fighting bots/npcs.
If I'm going to play an RMT game, I'll just stick to the Game of Life.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Ah yes. The default "it's only a game so nothing matters" argument when you run out of real arguments
So why did you care so much about cheating in BDO last year that you used to post on a daily basis about the latest BDO cheating outrage and the developer's incompetence? Wasn't BDO also just a game?
Sorry bud not buying your situational "it's only a game" thing.
Kind of reminds me of Iverson
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
So are you saying that these things would NOT be available from blackmarket sites if they didn't offer it? I think it's foolish to believe that. The problem isn't necessarily the RMT, but creating things that are finite which drive the price up and make them accessible only to the people looking to put a lot of real money into it. However, RMT has little to do with that, it's the model of the game that controls the value of in-game items. No?
Crazkanuk
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Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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You really didn't get why I brought up your posts about BDO cheating? Wow...
Ok here it goes: NOT because cheating = RMT (close but that wasn't the point) but because you chose to use the "it's only a game" thing, implying that any critique of RMT is too trivial to bother with while at the same time crusading about whatever game related thing interests you when you feel you have a solid argument.... just like you did with your BDO cheating crusade last year.
Do you understand now why I brought that up just to highlight your "it's only a game" hypocrisy when it's something you don't have any problem with?
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
So you believe that if they did NOT offer RMT in the game that it would lead to fair competition and that the same people ruling the game today (the theoretical today) wouldn't be the same people controlling the game with RMT in place?
Crazkanuk
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Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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Honestly I've never bought gold or anything else, yet I've known plenty who have, There were quite a few known ebayed/IGE'd Jedi on my old SWG server, one of my in-game friends sold his for a killing, another guy I knew was a bought Jedi who I grouped with regularly, until he was banned for harassment after hurling insults at a bunch of IMPs, while they had him locked in between a bunch of placed terminals.
A lot of dot weapons were acquired this way as well...I think people in general just accepted this back then, I don't remember much stink ever being raised over it TBH. I really don't care if someone buys their +5 sword of badassery today just as I didn't back then.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I'll still try to give my money to devs who continue to resist, heck I'll pay a premium if it helps.
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Until duping comes into play. WHich will be going on long before it's caught as always. Just to be clear I am not defending this game. I doubt this game will be even half of what it claims to be, if it even releases at all.
I just wish people would look at this realistically. The more rare and limited things that are in the game the more blackmarket trade, cheating, etc... that will be going on. Be it gold, land, craftables, you name it... Why kid yourself into thinking you're ever playing in a fair, by the book environment?
The only real difference here is it will be like SWG and spam will be every where. Because it's not pursued by CSRs. (yes I'm aware most of that spam wasn't for RMT, yet what difference does that truly make? Be it a barker bot hocking wares on a vendor, or a bot yelling about buffs through door number a. It's all the same to me. Maybe we'll get lucky and there won't be chat bubbles as there were in SWG.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
They can't even spam in CoE.....everything is proximity. So your gonna spam to about 5 people then probably get dropped because OPEN PVP.
Slapshot's constant slander is unreal. Do you not have a life.
You sure you know what the word slander means?
Slapshot posted something that was true, they are not going to fight RMT.
He also said it was a game about resource and territory control. Again true.
So where was the slander?
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Not that lots of people didn't know that already, of course. Alhhough even I think the whole "Might as well just let people RMT because cheating and duping and RMTing will be everywhere anyways" is a rather pessimistic way of looking at it, however I can't really disagree. I do find it rather amusing that people are saying that as a DEFENSE of CoE, though. All that does is defend the company, but the subtext is the entire game's concept is doomed.
Some people are just so uninformed... not just about the game apparently
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
lol it's a funny idea but Elyria
isn't your normal game. A "bot" is effectively no different to an OPC or
NPC for that matter. They only way they will get lots of resources is
the same way we will, and they will be paying for each and every spark..
In addition, each "bot" needs all the same supplied as everyone else.
For all their effort, they will rely on other people for tools, food,
clothing etc, thus funding the player economy.
So no advantage to the gold seller above the player so far.. The
short of it: ANYONE, player or bot is potentially just as well placed to
sell their goods, but you're effectively cutting off your own economic
growth in game. If you keep it, perhaps you'd be better to hire NPCs
with it, at which stage you've inadvertantly beaten the bot at their own
game.
Beyond that, unlike many MMOs, you're not invincible in Elyria.
People will doubtless be looking for gold sellers. If word gets out,
they are potentially going to be ambushed, robbed, turfed out and unable
to deliver. If the transaction was a legally binding one, good luck to
them lol. If not, they will rapidly get a bad enough rep for the public
to learn to avoid them.
This is a game where the average player CAN intervene and stomp out those gold sellers. For that reason most of the community (who actually read the design notes fully, unlike the OP) are actively looking forward to spotting people trying to gold sell, just to gank their asses and rob them blind lol.