Originally posted by worldboy90 Shit, you aint got a clue whats going on, eh ? Think of I liked the other guys post where he said the whole thing about murders hunting cause they have gone bad.. but on a large scale "hunting" and "murdering" are really not different at all. Murdering is kililng of your own species, and humans are afraid to be killed, they like to kill, but not be killed...so... wait so humanity is getting at, don't shoot me... lets just all hold hands and go kill off some nature..yeah.. Anyways, about humanity dieing as a mass slaughter, hah, ITS ALREADY HAPPENING, just not in your precious country, where you comfily sit on your chair, eating cheetos and thinking about how cool you are by pointing out how cool humans are. Shit we humans, we should of died ages ago. The best humans I have ever seen were native americans, respecting nautre, being less or more friendly, and being overall good people. And then we white folks came over and acted like asses. But we were trained to do that, because for some reason most humans fear to show affection, in the process of possibly being hurt when their being kind. Humans overall are being trained to be cautious of people's actions. Oy.. the world is just falling apart. Any day now some country will declare itself ruler and blow everything and everyone to bits. But eh.. and you say humanity is part of the world... well it used to be, now we have just too much technology and that will kill us. If any of us survive we might smarten up. Just like that, whatever doesn't kill us (a nuclear war) will make us smarter (don't kill everything you see).
I love the other post I read where you could just shoot a bear if its on your "property". You mean that piece of land you declared yours by buying it off someone else who declared it yours, but if a bear has nowhere to take a crap, and decides to finally let it out on you "property", so hell.. shoot him? But eh, whatever. We will all learn our lessons soon enough...... also, in my opinion, if a nuclear war does happen, it will be very quick possibly only lasting 2 months... for in those 2 months, the world will be soo fucked, there will be nothing left. And humans are a virus, we truly are, with only a few of us trying to reverse of what the mass of us are doing.
"Holier than thou" posts never fail to make me laugh. Especially when they are written so.. umm.. well.
What makes you all think the dude wont eat it? There is nothing wrong with killing animals and eating it...However I would never kill an animal for sport unless someone was going to eat the thing I killed or was going to use the animals fur to keep warm (not for a decoration but that is fine if you eat the rest). If I kill a deer (not many bears in Alabama) or my friend whom I am hunting with it kills it (i am not such a great hunter) We get a picture with it. Also hunting does require a little skill but mostly it teaches you PATIENCE. I have waited all day on a hunting stand and got nothing. (Even if a deer did come...my friend would kill it first). Also it isnt wrong to kill an animal that threatens you or your property. (such as a mad wolf or a wolverine (i used to live in U.P. Michigan) or possibly a weasel). IF it wants to hurt you or your stuff I say blow its brains out.
Originally posted by Bitey Of all the animals, man is the only one that is cruel. He is the only one that inflicts pain for the pleasure of doing it. ~ Mark Twain
Mark Twain and his generalities.. I wish he was mauled by a pack of wolves when he died.
Professor Hubert Farnsworth - That question is less stupid but, you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
You're all damn hypocrites "Oh killing for sport is wrong, but killing to eat it is right" bah, the human body is plenty capable of surviving off of fruits, vegetables, dairy etc. The only reason that humans have developed fanged teeth and stronger acidic stomach acids is because of our ancestors who ate meat out of desperation, lack of vegetation...or lack of knowledge to grow vegetation, it was an evolution factor... But now we are smarter, there is no need to mass kill animals via Fast Food or "Hunting" wether you are eating the animal or not you are still killing it, leaving it to rot or eating it doesnt justify killing it oh hey, what about if Im a canabilistic serial killer, oh its fine because I eat what I kill ya, it okay hah, theyd lock you up and throw away the key without a second thought... and you know why? Because humans are "superior" to animals, its not okay to kill them and eat them but hey, we can do it with any other creature. So don't try to justify killing things just because you're going to eat them, thats bull crap. There is no need to even eat animals, in fact there search google there have been multiple studies showing that the human body doesnt even need fruits and vegetables to survive and be healthy! (although I eat fruits and vegetables for sustinance because they are tasty) But a Human is well capable of surviving and being healthy, without eating meat... especially in this day and age when we have vitamins and medicine. And all you protein whores, you want protein? One Lima Bean has more protein in it then you're average medium-rare steak. So if you want protein, you're eating the wrong food.
Next time go pass your "Murder is okay cause I eat it!" statements, make sure you shove your head in the ground first so the decent people of society to have to hear you spew your crap.
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Shojin, while i may agree with you on some of those points the way your trying to get your point across will in the long run not do a whole lot.
Ive found in the past that vegetarians come across as a bit "preachy"to everyone else who isnt a vegetarian.Im thinking your point about the lima bean is a bit more on target.Telling people what they are doing is wrong doesnt make friends at all.
Why not offer some suggestions for recipes or even a website that offers cooking suggestions?
Rather than point out the negatives in what people do why not offer some more positives on a vegetarian lifestyle?
Matter of fact here is a website FULL of great recipes that anyone can cook at home!!:
Shojin, If man did not eat animals...think of all the people who live in the arctic where the only thing to eat are the suicide like animals lemmings. IT is one of their onl sources of meat and all types of food (excluding a few other polar animals. Also how would we control the chicken population? Also how do you expect people who do not have access to cotton or silk to stay warm? Your right man could live on fruits alone but that would mean we would have to make tons of more fruit garden things and animals would multiply and eat it all before we could. After all, WHY THE HECK WOULD ANIMALS BE ON THE PLANET if they are not for us to eat or use?
Oh yes...vegitarianism is so healthy. Thats why my fiancee got horribly sick while she was a vegitarian. Thats why nearly every one I've met looks like an anorexic. I have fangs, I intend to use them. Preferably on game meat that isn't shot full of artificial hormones and drugs that have been proven poisonous but are used anyway.
Humans are not carnivors or herbavors, we have evolved into both. We can survive without meat, we can survive without vegetables and fruits, to at least some extent, it is the choice of the one eating who controls that. IMO its exremely wrong to hunt for sport, but if its done for survival, that much more justified, if only to a very small extent.
I think it's the objective of your past self to make you cringe.
Originally posted by Gamewize Humans are not carnivors or herbavors, we have evolved into both. We can survive without meat, we can survive without vegetables and fruits, to at least some extent, it is the choice of the one eating who controls that. IMO its exremely wrong to hunt for sport, but if its done for survival, that much more justified, if only to a very small extent.
We evolved? I recall that the earlist people we can remember were omnivores....so how did we evolves? Actually at first everything only ate the fruits of plants and nothing ate meat but that was for like what....8 or nine days at most?
Originally posted by knightknife Actually evil_eric i think we are all debating about a bear and cows for the enjoyment of DEBATING!!
I believe I've dispelled the notion that there is even a debate here in the first place... Add if there is it's a very poor one.
Yet again, I already know what you're going to say, "It's only a poor debate when people like you partake you Fing this and that..."
If you're going to debate HAVE SOMETHING INTELLIGENT TO SAY, and don't anyone dare quote that thing about what I said Bears did :P. Though that would be very clever.
Originally posted by Prid3r My money on the Black Pants guys! he seem to have bigger experience!
I must disagree, that guy very clearly has a vision impairment(as seen by the glasses) and must haul more weight around Which effectively slows him down at whatever it is we're putting our money on.... and if they're debating he looks like he would have a heart attack sooner(more lard in the arteries) and be forced to forfeit the debate.
Originally posted by Evil_Eric Originally posted by knightknife Actually evil_eric i think we are all debating about a bear and cows for the enjoyment of DEBATING!!
I believe I've dispelled the notion that there is even a debate here in the first place... Add if there is it's a very poor one.
Yet again, I already know what you're going to say, "It's only a poor debate when people like you partake you Fing this and that..."
If you're going to debate HAVE SOMETHING INTELLIGENT TO SAY, and don't anyone dare quote that thing about what I said Bears did :P. Though that would be very clever.
Dude the only reason this debate is bad is because of you posting saying this is ridiculus and everything we debate about that is intelligent gets locked.
BTW It's not cheap to hunt animals. You have to buy a license and hunting licenses cost a pretty penny. Especially if you are an out of state hunter. Now where does all this money for these hunting licenses go? It goes to fund the Wildlife and Fisheries department. This department is responsible for monitoring and maintaining the conditions that wildlife live in. If it wasnt for this department we wouldnt know what species of animal were close to extinction. They also help to keep the population at a healthy level. If they see a certian species becoming close to extinction they then impose a limit to what can be hunted.
A good example of this would be the Redfish population in the southern states. There numbers dropped to an extremely low level so a limit was imposed on the number you could catch. But the opposite happened with the Nutria over population. The Wildlife and Fisheries discovered that there were far too many Nutria and that they were destroying the enviroment. Many were also starving due to the competition for food. Because of this a bounty was placed on the Nutria and hunters started hunting them to a healthier level. A quick and instant death from a bullet is a much better way to go than the long uncomfortable process of starving to death.
So you see hunting is just as important to Wildlife as it is to the rest of us.
Eric, we appreciate your contribution to this discussion and we will take your opinion into consideration.
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Originally posted by Puoltry Shojin, while i may agree with you on some of those points the way your trying to get your point across will in the long run not do a whole lot.Ive found in the past that vegetarians come across as a bit "preachy"to everyone else who isnt a vegetarian.Im thinking your point about the lima bean is a bit more on target.Telling people what they are doing is wrong doesnt make friends at all.Why not offer some suggestions for recipes or even a website that offers cooking suggestions?Rather than point out the negatives in what people do why not offer some more positives on a vegetarian lifestyle?Matter of fact here is a website FULL of great recipes that anyone can cook at home!!:http://vegweb.com/
While I usually would suggest that to people, and usually do in real life... the pages of posts of the same people saying they kill for survival and eat it, just thoroughly made me angry... eating animals and/or humans has and always should be a LAST RESORT, that is when it is for survival... in the past people had to eat meat because there was either a lack of vegetation, lack of knowledge of the existence/ediablity/growing of vegetation, or lack of a stable climate to grow the vegetation... thus animals had to be eaten for survival, but in this day and age its rediculous, we have green houses plenty of fertile soil and at the very least vitamins and several other ready food sources that we do not need to go out and kill other animals or mass kill farm animals for sustinance... I find it a poor excuse to say you eat it out of respect of the animal, or that you save "money" just so you can buy that brand new car or that 3000 dollar plasma screen tv is just ludicrous to me... animals have the same right to live as we do, and hunting should be a crime punishable by law.
Originally posted by knightknife Shojin, If man did not eat animals...think of all the people who live in the arctic where the only thing to eat are the suicide like animals lemmings. IT is one of their onl sources of meat and all types of food (excluding a few other polar animals. Also how would we control the chicken population? Also how do you expect people who do not have access to cotton or silk to stay warm? Your right man could live on fruits alone but that would mean we would have to make tons of more fruit garden things and animals would multiply and eat it all before we could. After all, WHY THE HECK WOULD ANIMALS BE ON THE PLANET if they are not for us to eat or use?
This is exaclty the kind of attitude that is a poor excuse for killing animals, people who live in the arctic have more sources for food then just the dead or other animals... there are dogsled shipments to posts scattered in the arctic that carry food medicine and supplies all the time, Eskimos choose to live there because it is a more peaceful nomadic way of life, they live and are raised in the traditional way and eating meat is there most readily available source of food yes, but they dont go out and kill for sport... they usually wait untill an animal is dead before eating it, and do to the cold temperatures the meat inside is preserved. I am fine with eating and using the materials like the hide and such from a dead animal, because it died of natural causes... if the materials and foods are needed and there are preserved dead animals around then it would be unwise not to use them...everyone else in the world has ready access to wool and certain other fur that can be fashioned into a coat , there are also several types of plant leaves that are natural incubators and can keep you warm... Just put it though your thick head that you are not above animals, just because you are smarter doesnt give you the right to rule over them as their god and hunt them whenever you please only to come around and say "oh its okay, im going to eat it" when you have a million other food sources that dont involve eating flesh fur and blood.
And I'm not saying its wrong just because its a "cute fuzzy bear" , I would be just as angry at this ignorance as if it were a snake, a panda, otter, lion, horse, zebra etc.. I believe every living thing has a right to live, to take it away for selfish reason when it is highly unecessary is just cowardice.
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Killing animals for food is what god intended thats why he made us smarter than them. I live in an area where there are so many deer it's to the point where it is unhealthy for the animals and the heards need to be thinned. But even if they did'nt I'd still hunt them down and take there tasteyselves back to my freezer.
Hunting is older than the spoken word and I see no reason why we should stop now.
These are pics of a record kill in Alaska look at the paw on that sucker.
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and humans do? *chuckle*
Oh it is that bad. <laugh>
Professor Hubert Farnsworth - That question is less stupid but, you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
"Holier than thou" posts never fail to make me laugh. Especially when they are written so.. umm.. well.
Killing for Living, OK! Killing for fun is Dumb and trully none sense!
What makes you all think the dude wont eat it? There is nothing wrong with killing animals and eating it...However I would never kill an animal for sport unless someone was going to eat the thing I killed or was going to use the animals fur to keep warm (not for a decoration but that is fine if you eat the rest). If I kill a deer (not many bears in Alabama) or my friend whom I am hunting with it kills it (i am not such a great hunter) We get a picture with it. Also hunting does require a little skill but mostly it teaches you PATIENCE. I have waited all day on a hunting stand and got nothing. (Even if a deer did come...my friend would kill it first). Also it isnt wrong to kill an animal that threatens you or your property. (such as a mad wolf or a wolverine (i used to live in U.P. Michigan) or possibly a weasel). IF it wants to hurt you or your stuff I say blow its brains out.
Of all the animals, man is the only one that is cruel. He is the only one that inflicts pain for the pleasure of doing it. ~ Mark Twain
Pfft, it's the bear's fault for running into the dude's bullet.
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Professor Hubert Farnsworth - That question is less stupid but, you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
You're all damn hypocrites "Oh killing for sport is wrong, but killing to eat it is right" bah, the human body is plenty capable of surviving off of fruits, vegetables, dairy etc. The only reason that humans have developed fanged teeth and stronger acidic stomach acids is because of our ancestors who ate meat out of desperation, lack of vegetation...or lack of knowledge to grow vegetation, it was an evolution factor... But now we are smarter, there is no need to mass kill animals via Fast Food or "Hunting" wether you are eating the animal or not you are still killing it, leaving it to rot or eating it doesnt justify killing it oh hey, what about if Im a canabilistic serial killer, oh its fine because I eat what I kill ya, it okay hah, theyd lock you up and throw away the key without a second thought... and you know why? Because humans are "superior" to animals, its not okay to kill them and eat them but hey, we can do it with any other creature. So don't try to justify killing things just because you're going to eat them, thats bull crap. There is no need to even eat animals, in fact there search google there have been multiple studies showing that the human body doesnt even need fruits and vegetables to survive and be healthy! (although I eat fruits and vegetables for sustinance because they are tasty) But a Human is well capable of surviving and being healthy, without eating meat... especially in this day and age when we have vitamins and medicine. And all you protein whores, you want protein? One Lima Bean has more protein in it then you're average medium-rare steak. So if you want protein, you're eating the wrong food.
Next time go pass your "Murder is okay cause I eat it!" statements, make sure you shove your head in the ground first so the decent people of society to have to hear you spew your crap.
Just on the border of your waking mind
There lies another time
Where darkness and light are one,
And as you tread the halls of sanity,
You feel so glad to be unable to go beyond.
I have a message from another time...
Axis Eleven
Shojin,
while i may agree with you on some of those points the way your trying to get your point across will in the long run not do a whole lot.
Ive found in the past that vegetarians come across as a bit "preachy"to everyone else who isnt a vegetarian.Im thinking your point about the lima bean is a bit more on target.Telling people what they are doing is wrong doesnt make friends at all.
Why not offer some suggestions for recipes or even a website that offers cooking suggestions?
Rather than point out the negatives in what people do why not offer some more positives on a vegetarian lifestyle?
Matter of fact here is a website FULL of great recipes that anyone can cook at home!!:
http://vegweb.com/
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Shojin, If man did not eat animals...think of all the people who live in the arctic where the only thing to eat are the suicide like animals lemmings. IT is one of their onl sources of meat and all types of food (excluding a few other polar animals. Also how would we control the chicken population? Also how do you expect people who do not have access to cotton or silk to stay warm? Your right man could live on fruits alone but that would mean we would have to make tons of more fruit garden things and animals would multiply and eat it all before we could. After all, WHY THE HECK WOULD ANIMALS BE ON THE PLANET if they are not for us to eat or use?
Live and let live.
Oh yes...vegitarianism is so healthy. Thats why my fiancee got horribly sick while she was a vegitarian. Thats why nearly every one I've met looks like an anorexic. I have fangs, I intend to use them. Preferably on game meat that isn't shot full of artificial hormones and drugs that have been proven poisonous but are used anyway.
I think it's the objective of your past self to make you cringe.
Omnivore ftw!
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Actually evil_eric i think we are all debating about a bear and cows for the enjoyment of DEBATING!!
Let the debate continue!
Professor Hubert Farnsworth - That question is less stupid but, you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
I believe I've dispelled the notion that there is even a debate here in the first place... Add if there is it's a very poor one.
Yet again, I already know what you're going to say, "It's only a poor debate when people like you partake you Fing this and that..."
If you're going to debate HAVE SOMETHING INTELLIGENT TO SAY, and don't anyone dare quote that thing about what I said Bears did :P. Though that would be very clever.
Pssst, your shoes are untied.
My money on the Black Pants guys! he seem to have bigger experience!
I must disagree, that guy very clearly has a vision impairment(as seen by the glasses) and must haul more weight around Which effectively slows him down at whatever it is we're putting our money on.... and if they're debating he looks like he would have a heart attack sooner(more lard in the arteries) and be forced to forfeit the debate.
Now this is a real debate.
Pssst, your shoes are untied.
I believe I've dispelled the notion that there is even a debate here in the first place... Add if there is it's a very poor one.
Yet again, I already know what you're going to say, "It's only a poor debate when people like you partake you Fing this and that..."
If you're going to debate HAVE SOMETHING INTELLIGENT TO SAY, and don't anyone dare quote that thing about what I said Bears did :P. Though that would be very clever.
Dude the only reason this debate is bad is because of you posting saying this is ridiculus and everything we debate about that is intelligent gets locked.
BTW It's not cheap to hunt animals. You have to buy a license and hunting licenses cost a pretty penny. Especially if you are an out of state hunter. Now where does all this money for these hunting licenses go? It goes to fund the Wildlife and Fisheries department. This department is responsible for monitoring and maintaining the conditions that wildlife live in. If it wasnt for this department we wouldnt know what species of animal were close to extinction. They also help to keep the population at a healthy level. If they see a certian species becoming close to extinction they then impose a limit to what can be hunted.
A good example of this would be the Redfish population in the southern states. There numbers dropped to an extremely low level so a limit was imposed on the number you could catch. But the opposite happened with the Nutria over population. The Wildlife and Fisheries discovered that there were far too many Nutria and that they were destroying the enviroment. Many were also starving due to the competition for food. Because of this a bounty was placed on the Nutria and hunters started hunting them to a healthier level. A quick and instant death from a bullet is a much better way to go than the long uncomfortable process of starving to death.
So you see hunting is just as important to Wildlife as it is to the rest of us.
Eric, we appreciate your contribution to this discussion and we will take your opinion into consideration.
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While I usually would suggest that to people, and usually do in real life... the pages of posts of the same people saying they kill for survival and eat it, just thoroughly made me angry... eating animals and/or humans has and always should be a LAST RESORT, that is when it is for survival... in the past people had to eat meat because there was either a lack of vegetation, lack of knowledge of the existence/ediablity/growing of vegetation, or lack of a stable climate to grow the vegetation... thus animals had to be eaten for survival, but in this day and age its rediculous, we have green houses plenty of fertile soil and at the very least vitamins and several other ready food sources that we do not need to go out and kill other animals or mass kill farm animals for sustinance... I find it a poor excuse to say you eat it out of respect of the animal, or that you save "money" just so you can buy that brand new car or that 3000 dollar plasma screen tv is just ludicrous to me... animals have the same right to live as we do, and hunting should be a crime punishable by law.
This is exaclty the kind of attitude that is a poor excuse for killing animals, people who live in the arctic have more sources for food then just the dead or other animals... there are dogsled shipments to posts scattered in the arctic that carry food medicine and supplies all the time, Eskimos choose to live there because it is a more peaceful nomadic way of life, they live and are raised in the traditional way and eating meat is there most readily available source of food yes, but they dont go out and kill for sport... they usually wait untill an animal is dead before eating it, and do to the cold temperatures the meat inside is preserved. I am fine with eating and using the materials like the hide and such from a dead animal, because it died of natural causes... if the materials and foods are needed and there are preserved dead animals around then it would be unwise not to use them...everyone else in the world has ready access to wool and certain other fur that can be fashioned into a coat , there are also several types of plant leaves that are natural incubators and can keep you warm... Just put it though your thick head that you are not above animals, just because you are smarter doesnt give you the right to rule over them as their god and hunt them whenever you please only to come around and say "oh its okay, im going to eat it" when you have a million other food sources that dont involve eating flesh fur and blood.
And I'm not saying its wrong just because its a "cute fuzzy bear" , I would be just as angry at this ignorance as if it were a snake, a panda, otter, lion, horse, zebra etc.. I believe every living thing has a right to live, to take it away for selfish reason when it is highly unecessary is just cowardice.
Just on the border of your waking mind
There lies another time
Where darkness and light are one,
And as you tread the halls of sanity,
You feel so glad to be unable to go beyond.
I have a message from another time...
Axis Eleven
Killing animals for food is what god intended thats why he made us smarter than them. I live in an area where there are so many deer it's to the point where it is unhealthy for the animals and the heards need to be thinned. But even if they did'nt I'd still hunt them down and take there tasteyselves back to my freezer.
Hunting is older than the spoken word and I see no reason why we should stop now.
These are pics of a record kill in Alaska
look at the paw on that sucker.