That's all completely irrelevant to the question that was asked. If people want to say that SC's AI is better than AI in other AAA games, the least they could do is state which games.
I think the better here is more of the sorts other games with half broken AI's.
On that aspect, I just mentioned Guild Wars 2 had a rough AI at the start, this because GW2 gameplay on its world was so heavily dependent of the AI that the bugs and issues it faced for months after release was completely breaking to gameplay and the ability to progress.
It kinda equals to how SC stands now, SC AI on missions can be the worse thing, the SC escort mission with the AI not moving was the same pain as I had on GW2 back then on also escort mission with the AI getting stuck.
Chris Roberts must have a pretty low opinion of his backers when he claims you won't be able to distinguish between npcs and players.
I agree, the AI on MMO's tends to look more human than the players do, people are always rushing everywhere, running into stuff, jumping clipping through shit
And it's true, in MMO's when you see things character models clipping through each other or other things, they are usually people, not the AI, so this bug compilation is actually realistic lol
Fans: SC’s AI is miles above what any released AAA game has currently.
Critics: name one
Fans: well X game had just as bad AI at launch as SC does now.
Critics: so you can’t name one?
Fans: we are comparing similarities between SC’s bad AI and AAA released games bad AI. I’ve moved the goalposts.
Sooo... when one RELEASED mainstream MMO had half-broken AI sideways, it's one "excuse", when one Alpha in development has half broken AI, "oh look incompetent devs game shitsown booooooooo".
It is now settled: Alphas having bugs is one excuse by their developers for not fixing them.
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Chris Roberts must have a pretty low opinion of his backers when he claims you won't be able to distinguish between npcs and players.
Do you blame him? Look at all the money he's made just selling JPGs to them!
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I'm not even trying to be difficult. I'm just curious because I quite often see people say SC has more content than some AAA games but they never give examples and I'm just wondering what other games people are thinking about when saying the AI is better, because if SC's NPC AI is so goddamn awful right now then surely there would have been a lot of noise about a released AAA game with even worse AI which is why I brought up CM, it's the only thing I can think of.
Fans: SC’s AI is miles above what any released AAA game has currently.
@Solar_Prophet look at him manipulating the narrative, this was never said, just hyperbole.
This is so pety it's ridiculous, you can't really compare "good or bad AI's" when they're using bugs with the AI on a game under development as the argument.
There have been AAA titles with broken releases, but the thing is, they eventually fix themselves because well, that's how development works, it's one unfair argument from the start because AAA titles rarely ever give early access, so we can't see how bad their AI is mid-dev now can we?
I'm not even trying to be difficult. I'm just curious because I quite often see people say SC has more content than some AAA games but they never give examples and I'm just wondering what other games people are thinking about when saying the AI is better, because if SC's NPC AI is so goddamn awful right now then surely there would have been a lot of noise about a released AAA game with even worse AI which is why I brought up CM, it's the only thing I can think of.
Sea of Thieves (on the content argument); huge wasted potential that one.
Fans: SC’s AI is miles above what any released AAA game has currently.
Critics: name one
Fans: well X game had just as bad AI at launch as SC does now.
Critics: so you can’t name one?
Fans: we are comparing similarities between SC’s bad AI and AAA released games bad AI. I’ve moved the goalposts.
Sooo... when one RELEASED mainstream MMO had half-broken AI sideways, it's one "excuse", when one Alpha in development has half broken AI, "oh look incompetent devs game shitsown booooooooo".
It is now settled: Alphas having bugs is one excuse by their developers for not fixing them.
You must have misquoted me cause you didn’t respond to what I actually wrote. Maybe go back and find the right person and fix your quote
Kefo said: You must have misquoted me cause you didn’t respond to what I actually wrote. Maybe go back and find the right person and fix your quote
I posted my response after on the bit you manipulating what was said and such just to gain traction by mixing in hyperbole.
Anyway, the argument is unfair when you want to dismiss games that WENT through broken AI phases and are now fixed, it's the nature of game development you seem to want to ignore to pin SC against a wall just to slander one Alpha game for being buggy on unfinished mechanics.
When SC had the bugs where the naked/nonsuit players clip through space, the haters and trolls came with the "look shitshow game LMAO!".
Now that those specific issues have been mostly dealt with, and NPC AI has been implemented "Oh look AI bugging out, game shitshow LMAO!".
Bug compilations to attack one in-dev video game, can't get any pettier than this.
So you won't proof the game is fun? Do you even play it? I mean, it would have been a great opportunity to show off your pretty ships, unless they only exists as jpegs. By the way you're slowly sliding back into your paranoid personae while also calling names, are you trying to get this thread closed?
So you won't proof the game is fun? Do you even play it? I mean, it would have been a great opportunity to show off your pretty ships, unless they only exists as jpegs. By the way you're slowly sliding back into your paranoid personae while also calling names, are you trying to get this thread closed?
I don't need to, it's everywhere, no lack of videos posted on this forum of gameplay. And thanks for the laugh with the second part of your post lol
Fans: SC’s AI is miles above what any released AAA game has currently.
@Solar_Prophet look at him manipulating the narrative, this was never said, just hyperbole.
This is so pety it's ridiculous, you can't really compare "good or bad AI's" when they're using bugs with the AI on a game under development as the argument.
There have been AAA titles with broken releases, but the thing is, they eventually fix themselves because well, that's how development works, it's one unfair argument from the start because AAA titles rarely ever give early access, so we can't see how bad their AI is mid-dev now can we?
Shodanas said, and I’m paraphrasing cause I’m too assed to quote it, there have been AAA games released with worse AI.
Now if these AAA have worse AI then it stands to reason you can say SC has better AI. I added the miles above because I forgot I’m dealing with SC fans who will freak out when someone slights their baby lol.
If you don’t want me comparing AI of a game in alpha with AI of a released game then stop comparing SC to released games when you’re trying to hype it up about how it’s so much better.
Either that or suck it up when myself and others compare finished games to SC and make fun at how shitty it looks in comparison
Shodanas said, and I’m paraphrasing cause I’m too assed to quote it, there have been AAA games released with worse AI.
Now if these AAA have worse AI then it stands to reason you can say SC has better AI. I added the miles above because I forgot I’m dealing with SC fans who will freak out when someone slights their baby lol.
If you don’t want me comparing AI of a game in alpha with AI of a released game then stop comparing SC to released games when you’re trying to hype it up about how it’s so much better.
Either that or suck it up when myself and others compare finished games to SC and make fun at how shitty it looks in comparison
I've seen fully released AAA titles with worse A.I So, yeah..
You twist that into:
Fans: SC’s AI is miles above what any released AAA game has currently.
So don't excuse your twisting of words to gain traction with hyperbole. "I've Seen" implies you have seen it, and I named one example of one where the AI was simply messed up when it released, so I can say I have seen it. I heard about CM messed up AI and other edgy AAA releases but that was the one I played where the AI issues were quite overwhelming.
So you won't proof the game is fun? Do you even play it? I mean, it would have been a great opportunity to show off your pretty ships, unless they only exists as jpegs. By the way you're slowly sliding back into your paranoid personae while also calling names, are you trying to get this thread closed?
I don't need to, it's everywhere, no lack of videos posted on this forum of gameplay. And thanks for the laugh with the second part of your post lol
You need to go past the denial phase. You must have some relatives who care about you, maybe they could help.
The telling part is how you don't even play SC. It's all about the dream, the vision lol. That's why cig can't release anything, it would break all these delusions backers have.
You need to go past the denial phase. You must have some relatives who care about you, maybe they could help.
The telling part is how you don't even play SC. It's all about the dream, the vision lol. That's why cig can't release anything, it would break all these delusions backers have.
I rather enjoy how you just bend towards the best troll-bait for each moment, a true chameleon, but one easy to spot.
And I'm doing perfectly fine, thank you for your "concern".
Shodanas said, and I’m paraphrasing cause I’m too assed to quote it, there have been AAA games released with worse AI.
Now if these AAA have worse AI then it stands to reason you can say SC has better AI. I added the miles above because I forgot I’m dealing with SC fans who will freak out when someone slights their baby lol.
If you don’t want me comparing AI of a game in alpha with AI of a released game then stop comparing SC to released games when you’re trying to hype it up about how it’s so much better.
Either that or suck it up when myself and others compare finished games to SC and make fun at how shitty it looks in comparison
I've seen fully released AAA titles with worse A.I So, yeah..
You twist that into:
Fans: SC’s AI is miles above what any released AAA game has currently.
So don't excuse your twisting of words to gain traction with hyperbole. "I've Seen" implies you have seen it, and I named one example of one where the AI was simply messed up when it released, so I can say I have seen it. I heard about CM messed up AI and other edgy AAA releases but that was the one I played where the AI issues were quite overwhelming.
Lol I don’t excuse anything. It’s fun watching you twist into a pretzel to try and explain away something you’ve already said after you’ve been backed into a corner.
It was asked to name one AAA game that had worse AI then SC and so far we’ve had a game that at worst is a tie. So still not seeing this worse AI in a AAA game
Kefo said: You must have misquoted me cause you didn’t respond to what I actually wrote. Maybe go back and find the right person and fix your quote
I posted my response after on the bit you manipulating what was said and such just to gain traction by mixing in hyperbole.
Anyway, the argument is unfair when you want to dismiss games that WENT through broken AI phases and are now fixed, it's the nature of game development you seem to want to ignore to pin SC against a wall just to slander one Alpha game for being buggy on unfinished mechanics.
The argument is completely fair when white Knights keep comparing SC to completed games and saying SC is better then them. You want to compare it to fully finished games then I’m allowed to as well to show how ridiculous SC looks in comparison
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On that aspect, I just mentioned Guild Wars 2 had a rough AI at the start, this because GW2 gameplay on its world was so heavily dependent of the AI that the bugs and issues it faced for months after release was completely breaking to gameplay and the ability to progress.
It kinda equals to how SC stands now, SC AI on missions can be the worse thing, the SC escort mission with the AI not moving was the same pain as I had on GW2 back then on also escort mission with the AI getting stuck.
And it's true, in MMO's when you see things character models clipping through each other or other things, they are usually people, not the AI, so this bug compilation is actually realistic lol
Critics: name one
Fans: well X game had just as bad AI at launch as SC does now.
Critics: so you can’t name one?
Fans: we are comparing similarities between SC’s bad AI and AAA released games bad AI. I’ve moved the goalposts.
Sooo... when one RELEASED mainstream MMO had half-broken AI sideways, it's one "excuse", when one Alpha in development has half broken AI, "oh look incompetent devs game shitsown booooooooo".
It is now settled: Alphas having bugs is one excuse by their developers for not fixing them.
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When SC had the bugs where the naked/nonsuit players clip through space, the haters and trolls came with the "look shitshow game LMAO!".
Now that those specific issues have been mostly dealt with, and NPC AI has been implemented "Oh look AI bugging out, game shitshow LMAO!".
Bug compilations to attack one in-dev video game, can't get any pettier than this.
"early access is a scam! I hate early access its the worst thing in the industry"
Then a game comes out not in early access
"This game should been early access! its too buggy"
or (which fits SC pretty well)
"This game has been in early access too long! release it already!"
and then
"This game needed more time in early access! this is such a bad game! this game is a scam!"
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This is so pety it's ridiculous, you can't really compare "good or bad AI's" when they're using bugs with the AI on a game under development as the argument.
There have been AAA titles with broken releases, but the thing is, they eventually fix themselves because well, that's how development works, it's one unfair argument from the start because AAA titles rarely ever give early access, so we can't see how bad their AI is mid-dev now can we?
Anyway, the argument is unfair when you want to dismiss games that WENT through broken AI phases and are now fixed, it's the nature of game development you seem to want to ignore to pin SC against a wall just to slander one Alpha game for being buggy on unfinished mechanics.
I mean, it would have been a great opportunity to show off your pretty ships, unless they only exists as jpegs.
By the way you're slowly sliding back into your paranoid personae while also calling names, are you trying to get this thread closed?
Now if these AAA have worse AI then it stands to reason you can say SC has better AI. I added the miles above because I forgot I’m dealing with SC fans who will freak out when someone slights their baby lol.
If you don’t want me comparing AI of a game in alpha with AI of a released game then stop comparing SC to released games when you’re trying to hype it up about how it’s so much better.
Either that or suck it up when myself and others compare finished games to SC and make fun at how shitty it looks in comparison
You twist that into:
So don't excuse your twisting of words to gain traction with hyperbole. "I've Seen" implies you have seen it, and I named one example of one where the AI was simply messed up when it released, so I can say I have seen it. I heard about CM messed up AI and other edgy AAA releases but that was the one I played where the AI issues were quite overwhelming.
That's why cig can't release anything, it would break all these delusions backers have.
And I'm doing perfectly fine, thank you for your "concern".
It was asked to name one AAA game that had worse AI then SC and so far we’ve had a game that at worst is a tie. So still not seeing this worse AI in a AAA game