How is it their fault a dad didnt have restrictions? That's like saying it's the beer companies fault the guy drove drunk and killed someone.
I dont understand how personal responsibility has completely gone away
Not saying its their fault. I just shared the story!
We should bake them a cake!
mods in whatever regard you like; it won't change that she called you out because you were being an asshole to Mensur unnecessarily and you responded with more snark.
Then, when you got called on it again by another poster (me, less diplomatically than Suzie), you tried to call her out about responding to it.
That has never worked in the poster's favor in the past. Suzie and the gang here aren't stupid, and they can see right through that shit.
Ok serious question.
Would the reply you sent me be left on this site if say I wrote it? I'm being serious nothing against you or others who seem to have some pull around here but it does seem there is a double standard.
If I had posted like an asshole for no real reason, and you called me on it? Likely not. Or likely, as my post might be, it would simply be edited and/or given a warning (I've had multiple warnings in my time here).
The mods here aren't robots, and they have generally considered context when assessing posts, even if they disagree with the post's wording.
Fair enough...
Fyi my post that started this wasn't as bad as you guys have made it out to be. I'm still looking for the "story" btw like I said it would be an interesting twist here if that story ended up being a lie.
How many apologies would I get:)
our expenditure.
As for the government benefits... The dangers of government, imo, have been largely overblown. Regulations are merely an implementation of the social contract, which is the foundational cornerstone of any and all government.
TV isnt an interactive hobby? You ever been at a bar or house party when an important sporting event is on? There is far more interaction and emotion going on in that room than any video game could ever generate. Advertisers know this and manipulate their commercials as such.
I dont see Activision patent any different then Google search algorithm. Again these behaviors are all around us, why are we as gamers going after our own hobby when in the end it wont makr our hobby better?
That still isn't interactive. You're interacting with people; you have no input or influence on what the station presents. You have no input or influence on what commercials are aired or when. You have no input or influence on who the shows/events choose to sponsor them, but shows have a vested interest in attracting advertising that is palatable to their target demographic. It's a much different situation.
To be analogous, TV would have to literally degrade your viewing experience if you refused to make microtransactions during the event. I.e., during a football game, they would take away camera angles or commentary if you didn't purchase a bag of Doritos and a Pepsi product at the beginning of the game. Then, to mimic the matching of players Activision's patent prescribes, the event would give you bits and pieces of those extra camera angles and commentary to show you what you're missing because you won't pony up again.
Would you describe the above scenario as an improvement over receiving all the angles and commentary for a set price, or a a degradation?
We obviously dont agree here to each their own.
Scenario 1:
So I pay for cable package 1, in order to get the fight I have two options.
1) Upgrade to package 2 2) Buy it on pay-per-view
I use the same cable company as my neighbor but he purchased the microtransactions to watch the fight and the neighbor across the street upgraded to package 2. They get the fight I dont.
Scenario 2:
I watch the nfl on normal station I get one angle one commentary.
My neighbor purchased the nfl package and has multiple angels and a choice of which commentators he listens to.
In the above scenarios my neighbors get more for paying more there is no difference then a gamer getting more for paying more.
You just look at it as the person who has less somehow got it taken away.
I tend to agree with them. If for whatever reason those complaining about loot boxes get their way and get them removed (luckily wont happen) they will be opening a pandora box of sorts. Video games have been the same price for at least a decade, now if those complaining get their way I can GUARANTEE they will cry when the price of video games go through the roof. Or when developers remove loot boxes and put every single item that was in the loot box on their store at crazy high prices.
I personally never buy loot boxes. I dont mind buying cosmetics or even a little crafting or xp boost but never a loot box I just would rather buy an item directly. No game i play put items on loot boxes that would make them "gambling" or a must have.
This comes down to a few simple points.
1) Take some personal responsibility and if you have a kid try parenting.
2) I dont need the government to regulate the video games I play. More government regulation is NEVER a good thing.
3) Worry about yourself and not what other people spend their money on.
And companies have zero responsibilities? They fucking target kids.
You know back in the old days they use to tar and feather shysters or even worse.
We were asked to not use profanity but since you did I'll reply in kind.
Maybe parents should fucking parent.
There are a lot of shitty parents, too many, but that doesn't give license to target their kids.
Every industry is regulated in one way or another. It's unethical, dishonest, business practice that brings on regulation in the first place.
If this industry ends up being regulated, it's the industries fault, not the shitty parents or the kids.
I remember when I first got the Internet in the early 90's. It was through my local newspaper. Back then newspapers and local companies made the Internet available. My kick ass dial up modem was so cool. I thought I had so much power. Very few people had the Internet back then. The Internet was like the wild west. No rules and anything and everything was available. Most users hung out in forums. Chat rooms were extremely popular. Games were available and MMORPGS were in its infancy.
I'm writing this because the Internet was total freedom. You got the sense back then that all things were possible through this medium. Yes Loot Boxes are addictive for some people. I say so what it is like gambling. This is the wild west Internet. Good or Bad it should never be regulated or touched. Las Vegas is around and so are Indian Casinos. I don't see anybody shutting them down. Loot boxes are akin to a slot machine. Who cares in my opinion.
I remember when I first got the Internet in the early 90's. It was through my local newspaper. Back then newspapers and local companies made the Internet available. My kick ass dial up modem was so cool. I thought I had so much power. Very few people had the Internet back then. The Internet was like the wild west. No rules and anything and everything was available. Most users hung out in forums. Chat rooms were extremely popular. Games were available and MMORPGS were in its infancy.
I'm writing this because the Internet was total freedom. You got the sense back then that all things were possible through this medium. Yes Loot Boxes are addictive for some people. I say so what it is like gambling. This is the wild west Internet. Good or Bad it should never be regulated or touched. Las Vegas is around and so are Indian Casinos. I don't see anybody shutting them down. Loot boxes are akin to a slot machine. Who cares in my opinion.
Those casinos in Las Vegas and on Indian reservations are regulated.
I remember when I first got the Internet in the early 90's. It was through my local newspaper. Back then newspapers and local companies made the Internet available. My kick ass dial up modem was so cool. I thought I had so much power. Very few people had the Internet back then. The Internet was like the wild west. No rules and anything and everything was available. Most users hung out in forums. Chat rooms were extremely popular. Games were available and MMORPGS were in its infancy.
I'm writing this because the Internet was total freedom. You got the sense back then that all things were possible through this medium. Yes Loot Boxes are addictive for some people. I say so what it is like gambling. This is the wild west Internet. Good or Bad it should never be regulated or touched. Las Vegas is around and so are Indian Casinos. I don't see anybody shutting them down. Loot boxes are akin to a slot machine. Who cares in my opinion.
Those casinos in Las Vegas and on Indian reservations are regulated.
I know I used to work at an Indian Casino. My point was Loot Boxes are similar to gambling. I worked at Pala Casino near San Diego for 3 years. I watched a lot of people gamble.
I tend to agree with them. If for whatever reason those complaining about loot boxes get their way and get them removed (luckily wont happen) they will be opening a pandora box of sorts. Video games have been the same price for at least a decade, now if those complaining get their way I can GUARANTEE they will cry when the price of video games go through the roof. Or when developers remove loot boxes and put every single item that was in the loot box on their store at crazy high prices.
I personally never buy loot boxes. I dont mind buying cosmetics or even a little crafting or xp boost but never a loot box I just would rather buy an item directly. No game i play put items on loot boxes that would make them "gambling" or a must have.
This comes down to a few simple points.
1) Take some personal responsibility and if you have a kid try parenting.
2) I dont need the government to regulate the video games I play. More government regulation is NEVER a good thing.
3) Worry about yourself and not what other people spend their money on.
And companies have zero responsibilities? They fucking target kids.
You know back in the old days they use to tar and feather shysters or even worse.
We were asked to not use profanity but since you did I'll reply in kind.
Maybe parents should fucking parent.
There are a lot of shitty parents, too many, but that doesn't give license to target their kids.
Every industry is regulated in one way or another. It's unethical, dishonest, business practice that brings on regulation in the first place.
If this industry ends up being regulated, it's the industries fault, not the shitty parents or the kids.
This is a joke. The developers are not predators taking advantage of little Johnny. Little Johnny shouldnt have access to their shitty parents payment information.
There is nothing unethical, dishonest in selling a virtual item in a video game. It doesnt matter how much it may offend a few people.
Omg my kid watches Paw Patrol when we walk down the target isle he wants the paw patrol toys. How dare that unethical dishonest Paw Patrol target my son like that.
Just read that third paragraph if you believe that paragraph there is no point in continuing this conversation.
Still isn't analogous. The Activision patent isn't pay-per-view offerings; it's altering the experience you already paid for to get you to spend more.
It's not akin to different TV packages, because that's an upfront choice with detailed and known products. It's akin to getting you to purchase a package, then constantly being bombarded with interruptions to your purchased broadcasts to show you what you're missing because you won't give them another 30 bucks for this NFL camera angle , or for that MLB commentator by showing you bits and pieces of the angle or commentator or how many other people are buying those angles and commentators.
The NFL offering it's own network, or selling subscriptions to all networks that run NFL games, is still just offering additional channels for a price. It isn't interrupting or manipulating the broadcasts of any individual channel to get you to purchase others. Each channel strives, by itself and independently of the other broadcast channels, to provide the best commentary and coverage possible. They don't game angles and commentators to get you to buy them all.
I tend to agree with them. If for whatever reason those complaining about loot boxes get their way and get them removed (luckily wont happen) they will be opening a pandora box of sorts. Video games have been the same price for at least a decade, now if those complaining get their way I can GUARANTEE they will cry when the price of video games go through the roof. Or when developers remove loot boxes and put every single item that was in the loot box on their store at crazy high prices.
I personally never buy loot boxes. I dont mind buying cosmetics or even a little crafting or xp boost but never a loot box I just would rather buy an item directly. No game i play put items on loot boxes that would make them "gambling" or a must have.
This comes down to a few simple points.
1) Take some personal responsibility and if you have a kid try parenting.
2) I dont need the government to regulate the video games I play. More government regulation is NEVER a good thing.
3) Worry about yourself and not what other people spend their money on.
And companies have zero responsibilities? They fucking target kids.
You know back in the old days they use to tar and feather shysters or even worse.
We were asked to not use profanity but since you did I'll reply in kind.
Maybe parents should fucking parent.
There are a lot of shitty parents, too many, but that doesn't give license to target their kids.
Every industry is regulated in one way or another. It's unethical, dishonest, business practice that brings on regulation in the first place.
If this industry ends up being regulated, it's the industries fault, not the shitty parents or the kids.
This is a joke. The developers are not predators taking advantage of little Johnny. Little Johnny shouldnt have access to their shitty parents payment information.
There is nothing unethical, dishonest in selling a virtual item in a video game. It doesnt matter how much it may offend a few people.
Omg my kid watches Paw Patrol when we walk down the target isle he wants the paw patrol toys. How dare that unethical dishonest Paw Patrol target my son like that.
Just read that third paragraph if you believe that paragraph there is no point in continuing this conversation.
Goddamn, this argument is stupid. In fact, every single person here is now dumber for having read this. This isn't the equivalent of Paw Patrol selling your kids toys of itself. This is the equivalent of Paw Patrol selling your kids cigarettes. Guess what - we already had that. It was called Joe Camel, and it was already struck down by the government for being unlawful.
I remember when I first got the Internet in the early 90's. It was through my local newspaper. Back then newspapers and local companies made the Internet available. My kick ass dial up modem was so cool. I thought I had so much power. Very few people had the Internet back then. The Internet was like the wild west. No rules and anything and everything was available. Most users hung out in forums. Chat rooms were extremely popular. Games were available and MMORPGS were in its infancy.
I'm writing this because the Internet was total freedom. You got the sense back then that all things were possible through this medium. Yes Loot Boxes are addictive for some people. I say so what it is like gambling. This is the wild west Internet. Good or Bad it should never be regulated or touched. Las Vegas is around and so are Indian Casinos. I don't see anybody shutting them down. Loot boxes are akin to a slot machine. Who cares in my opinion.
Those casinos in Las Vegas and on Indian reservations are regulated.
Thats incorrect, Las Vegas is regulated Indian casino's are not. Thats why when you go to Vegas or Atlantic City you will see a sign above a slot machine that says something like 90% payout or something to that effect, They are required by law to show the machines payout over the course of its lifetime.
Indian Casino's on the other hand answer to No one except themselves, This is all information you can read about online, no grand conspiracy here. But definitely something to keep in mind on your next trip to the Casino.
In my experience Vegas and A.C. are much more generous when it comes to payouts,comp and frequency with which you win than Indian Casino's. I might be getting off topic but just wanted to clarify.
I tend to agree with them. If for whatever reason those complaining about loot boxes get their way and get them removed (luckily wont happen) they will be opening a pandora box of sorts. Video games have been the same price for at least a decade, now if those complaining get their way I can GUARANTEE they will cry when the price of video games go through the roof. Or when developers remove loot boxes and put every single item that was in the loot box on their store at crazy high prices.
I personally never buy loot boxes. I dont mind buying cosmetics or even a little crafting or xp boost but never a loot box I just would rather buy an item directly. No game i play put items on loot boxes that would make them "gambling" or a must have.
This comes down to a few simple points.
1) Take some personal responsibility and if you have a kid try parenting.
2) I dont need the government to regulate the video games I play. More government regulation is NEVER a good thing.
3) Worry about yourself and not what other people spend their money on.
And companies have zero responsibilities? They fucking target kids.
You know back in the old days they use to tar and feather shysters or even worse.
We were asked to not use profanity but since you did I'll reply in kind.
Maybe parents should fucking parent.
There are a lot of shitty parents, too many, but that doesn't give license to target their kids.
Every industry is regulated in one way or another. It's unethical, dishonest, business practice that brings on regulation in the first place.
If this industry ends up being regulated, it's the industries fault, not the shitty parents or the kids.
This is a joke. The developers are not predators taking advantage of little Johnny. Little Johnny shouldnt have access to their shitty parents payment information.
There is nothing unethical, dishonest in selling a virtual item in a video game. It doesnt matter how much it may offend a few people.
Omg my kid watches Paw Patrol when we walk down the target isle he wants the paw patrol toys. How dare that unethical dishonest Paw Patrol target my son like that.
Just read that third paragraph if you believe that paragraph there is no point in continuing this conversation.
lol
I'm a grandfather, I've got four kids 27, 24, 23 and 20. My grandson is 3 and watches Paw Patrol too. He has Paw Patrol cloths, Paw Patrol plates, Paw Patrol cutlery, Paw Patrol toothbrush and toothpaste, shampoo, and not to mention all the Paw Patrol toys in his collection.
I told my daughter to not be such an idiot.
When I was a kid a cartoon was just a cartoon. Now a days a cartoon is nothing more than a 30 minute infomercial.
This is a joke. The developers are not predators taking advantage of little Johnny. Little Johnny shouldnt have access to their shitty parents payment information.
There is nothing unethical, dishonest in selling a virtual item in a video game. It doesnt matter how much it may offend a few people.
Omg my kid watches Paw Patrol when we walk down the target isle he wants the paw patrol toys. How dare that unethical dishonest Paw Patrol target my son like that.
Just read that third paragraph if you believe that paragraph there is no point in continuing this conversation.
Goddamn, this argument is stupid. In fact, every single person here is now dumber for having read this. This isn't the equivalent of Paw Patrol selling your kids toys of itself. This is the equivalent of Paw Patrol selling your kids cigarettes. Guess what - we already had that. It was called Joe Camel, and it was already struck down by the government for being unlawful.
Like I said pointless trying to have a discussion with some of you.
You know lying doesnt help your point. It was never called Unlawful.
"In July 1997, under pressure from the impending Mangini trial, Congress, and various public-interest groups, RJR announced it would settle out of court and voluntarily end its Joe Camel campaign. A new campaign with a more adult theme debuted: instead of Joe Camel, it had a plain image of a quadrupedal, non-anthropomorphiccamel."
Fyi most government have stated loot boxes are NOT gambling so which activity is selling in game items equivalent to cigarettes? Btw they still sell candy cigarettes.
I remember when I first got the Internet in the early 90's. It was through my local newspaper. Back then newspapers and local companies made the Internet available. My kick ass dial up modem was so cool. I thought I had so much power. Very few people had the Internet back then. The Internet was like the wild west. No rules and anything and everything was available. Most users hung out in forums. Chat rooms were extremely popular. Games were available and MMORPGS were in its infancy.
I'm writing this because the Internet was total freedom. You got the sense back then that all things were possible through this medium. Yes Loot Boxes are addictive for some people. I say so what it is like gambling. This is the wild west Internet. Good or Bad it should never be regulated or touched. Las Vegas is around and so are Indian Casinos. I don't see anybody shutting them down. Loot boxes are akin to a slot machine. Who cares in my opinion.
Those casinos in Las Vegas and on Indian reservations are regulated.
Thats incorrect, Las Vegas is regulated Indian casino's are not. Thats why when you go to Vegas or Atlantic City you will see a sign above a slot machine that says something like 90% payout or something to that effect, They are required by law to show the machines payout over the course of its lifetime.
Indian Casino's on the other hand answer to No one except themselves, This is all information you can read about online, no grand conspiracy here. But definitely something to keep in mind on your next trip to the Casino.
In my experience Vegas and A.C. are much more generous when it comes to payouts,comp and frequency with which you win than Indian Casino's. I might be getting off topic but just wanted to clarify.
That's because American casinos are subject to the regulatory reporting of payouts (too low will discourage folks from visiting your casino) while Indian Casinos are subject to no such regulation.
If your anecdotal evidence is universally true, it's kind of case in point how the consumer generally gets fucked without regulatory protections.
Some countries have already ruled loot boxes are OK, this is going to be a long fight and this should be about gambling in gaming not just loot boxes but it is good to see the US is looking at this.
Anyway, on topic.... It's good the issue is being investigated. Unfortunately I think they miss the bigger picture of predatory monetization by only looking at loot crates or "variable reward containers".
Instead of gambling regulation implemented, I'd like to see full disclosure of all drop rates and tables in a game where any amount of randomness, chance, or any other type of RNG blind acquisition happens (i.e.: you don't know what you're going to get).
This is how I picture you.
I used to live on one of those, not that one, but a similar model (they're all a lot alike). USS Spadefish SSN668.. MM1/SS. FYI, they're cramped (except the missile subs) and really stink on the inside.
I was in this picture, on the inside of the boat. I did get to walk around on the North Pole later, we all did. Doing Icex with the Brits was a highlight of my deployment, very cool.
Yeah I remembered you had your own sub! That indeed was a remarkable experience. I enjoy learning about the stories hidden behind our silly avatars and account names. That was a fascinating bit of Torval lore, thanks for sharing.
Constantine, The Console Poster
"One of the most difficult tasks men can perform, however much others may despise it, is the invention of good games and it cannot be done by men out of touch with their instinctive selves." - Carl Jung
This is a joke. The developers are not predators taking advantage of little Johnny. Little Johnny shouldnt have access to their shitty parents payment information.
There is nothing unethical, dishonest in selling a virtual item in a video game. It doesnt matter how much it may offend a few people.
Omg my kid watches Paw Patrol when we walk down the target isle he wants the paw patrol toys. How dare that unethical dishonest Paw Patrol target my son like that.
Just read that third paragraph if you believe that paragraph there is no point in continuing this conversation.
Goddamn, this argument is stupid. In fact, every single person here is now dumber for having read this. This isn't the equivalent of Paw Patrol selling your kids toys of itself. This is the equivalent of Paw Patrol selling your kids cigarettes. Guess what - we already had that. It was called Joe Camel, and it was already struck down by the government for being unlawful.
Like I said pointless trying to have a discussion with some of you.
You know lying doesnt help your point. It was never called Unlawful.
"In July 1997, under pressure from the impending Mangini trial, Congress, and various public-interest groups, RJR announced it would settle out of court and voluntarily end its Joe Camel campaign. A new campaign with a more adult theme debuted: instead of Joe Camel, it had a plain image of a quadrupedal, non-anthropomorphiccamel."
Fyi most government have stated loot boxes are NOT gambling so which activity is selling in game items equivalent to cigarettes? Btw they still sell candy cigarettes.
It's pointless arguing with you and a certain other poster, because you both lack even basic intellectual honesty.
Also, you know who settles out of court and "voluntarily" ends a practice? A corporation who knows they've been caught with their hand in the cookie jar and is expecting to lose in court, that's who.
Anyway, on topic.... It's good the issue is being investigated. Unfortunately I think they miss the bigger picture of predatory monetization by only looking at loot crates or "variable reward containers".
Instead of gambling regulation implemented, I'd like to see full disclosure of all drop rates and tables in a game where any amount of randomness, chance, or any other type of RNG blind acquisition happens (i.e.: you don't know what you're going to get).
This is how I picture you.
I used to live on one of those, not that one, but a similar model (they're all a lot alike). USS Spadefish SSN668.. MM1/SS. FYI, they're cramped (except the missile subs) and really stink on the inside.
I was in this picture, on the inside of the boat. I did get to walk around on the North Pole later, we all did. Doing Icex with the Brits was a highlight of my deployment, very cool.
All the best things in life come from the Untied Kingdom, just saying.
This is a joke. The developers are not predators taking advantage of little Johnny. Little Johnny shouldnt have access to their shitty parents payment information.
There is nothing unethical, dishonest in selling a virtual item in a video game. It doesnt matter how much it may offend a few people.
Omg my kid watches Paw Patrol when we walk down the target isle he wants the paw patrol toys. How dare that unethical dishonest Paw Patrol target my son like that.
Just read that third paragraph if you believe that paragraph there is no point in continuing this conversation.
Goddamn, this argument is stupid. In fact, every single person here is now dumber for having read this. This isn't the equivalent of Paw Patrol selling your kids toys of itself. This is the equivalent of Paw Patrol selling your kids cigarettes. Guess what - we already had that. It was called Joe Camel, and it was already struck down by the government for being unlawful.
Like I said pointless trying to have a discussion with some of you.
You know lying doesnt help your point. It was never called Unlawful.
"In July 1997, under pressure from the impending Mangini trial, Congress, and various public-interest groups, RJR announced it would settle out of court and voluntarily end its Joe Camel campaign. A new campaign with a more adult theme debuted: instead of Joe Camel, it had a plain image of a quadrupedal, non-anthropomorphiccamel."
Fyi most government have stated loot boxes are NOT gambling so which activity is selling in game items equivalent to cigarettes? Btw they still sell candy cigarettes.
It's pointless arguing with you and a certain other poster, because you both lack even basic intellectual honesty.
Also, you know who settles out of court and "voluntarily" ends a practice? A corporation who knows they've been caught with their hand in the cookie jar and is expecting to lose in court, that's who.
Please you have yet to give an intellectual response. Nothing but lies, misinformation and emotional nonsense.
What you've done...
1) Blame the developers 2) Make excuses for shitty parents 3) Called developers predators 4) Lied in a desperate attempt to make a point
Please take your dishonest emotional accusations, lies and misinformation elsewhere thanks.
I remember when I first got the Internet in the early 90's. It was through my local newspaper. Back then newspapers and local companies made the Internet available. My kick ass dial up modem was so cool. I thought I had so much power. Very few people had the Internet back then. The Internet was like the wild west. No rules and anything and everything was available. Most users hung out in forums. Chat rooms were extremely popular. Games were available and MMORPGS were in its infancy.
I'm writing this because the Internet was total freedom. You got the sense back then that all things were possible through this medium. Yes Loot Boxes are addictive for some people. I say so what it is like gambling. This is the wild west Internet. Good or Bad it should never be regulated or touched. Las Vegas is around and so are Indian Casinos. I don't see anybody shutting them down. Loot boxes are akin to a slot machine. Who cares in my opinion.
Those casinos in Las Vegas and on Indian reservations are regulated.
Thats incorrect, Las Vegas is regulated Indian casino's are not. Thats why when you go to Vegas or Atlantic City you will see a sign above a slot machine that says something like 90% payout or something to that effect, They are required by law to show the machines payout over the course of its lifetime.
Indian Casino's on the other hand answer to No one except themselves, This is all information you can read about online, no grand conspiracy here. But definitely something to keep in mind on your next trip to the Casino.
In my experience Vegas and A.C. are much more generous when it comes to payouts,comp and frequency with which you win than Indian Casino's. I might be getting off topic but just wanted to clarify.
Indian Casinos donate a lot of money to charities. They also are in bed with the local cities and states. Trust me donations are made frequently. This is basically to keep the roads in good shape.
Territorial sovereignty: Tribal authority on Indian land is organic and is not granted by the states in which Indian lands
are located. Plenary power doctrine: Congress, and not the Executive
Branch, has ultimate authority with regard to matters affecting the Indian tribes.
This is a joke. The developers are not predators taking advantage of little Johnny. Little Johnny shouldnt have access to their shitty parents payment information.
There is nothing unethical, dishonest in selling a virtual item in a video game. It doesnt matter how much it may offend a few people.
Omg my kid watches Paw Patrol when we walk down the target isle he wants the paw patrol toys. How dare that unethical dishonest Paw Patrol target my son like that.
Just read that third paragraph if you believe that paragraph there is no point in continuing this conversation.
Goddamn, this argument is stupid. In fact, every single person here is now dumber for having read this. This isn't the equivalent of Paw Patrol selling your kids toys of itself. This is the equivalent of Paw Patrol selling your kids cigarettes. Guess what - we already had that. It was called Joe Camel, and it was already struck down by the government for being unlawful.
Like I said pointless trying to have a discussion with some of you.
You know lying doesnt help your point. It was never called Unlawful.
"In July 1997, under pressure from the impending Mangini trial, Congress, and various public-interest groups, RJR announced it would settle out of court and voluntarily end its Joe Camel campaign. A new campaign with a more adult theme debuted: instead of Joe Camel, it had a plain image of a quadrupedal, non-anthropomorphiccamel."
Fyi most government have stated loot boxes are NOT gambling so which activity is selling in game items equivalent to cigarettes? Btw they still sell candy cigarettes.
It's pointless arguing with you and a certain other poster, because you both lack even basic intellectual honesty.
Also, you know who settles out of court and "voluntarily" ends a practice? A corporation who knows they've been caught with their hand in the cookie jar and is expecting to lose in court, that's who.
Please you have yet to give an intellectual response. Nothing but lies, misinformation and emotional nonsense.
What you've done...
1) Blame the developers 2) Make excuses for shitty parents 3) Called developers predators 4) Lied in a desperate attempt to make a point
Please take your dishonest emotional accusations, lies and misinformation elsewhere thanks.
You have me confused with another person you're arguing (poorly) with. I have not, in this thread or conversation done (1), (2), or (3). I have blamed the publishers, not the developers, because publishers are the ones to blame. I have said nothing of parents. I have not called developers predators (which they aren't), and haven't even called publishers predators yet (which they are). I haven't even technically done (4) as far as I see it, because you're relying on technicality to make that claim.
And you are the one who has conflated the situation with merchandising and television commercials, as if that is somehow applicable or factual. Take your ass backwards argument elsewhere and come up with something better.
I remember when I first got the Internet in the early 90's. It was through my local newspaper. Back then newspapers and local companies made the Internet available. My kick ass dial up modem was so cool. I thought I had so much power. Very few people had the Internet back then. The Internet was like the wild west. No rules and anything and everything was available. Most users hung out in forums. Chat rooms were extremely popular. Games were available and MMORPGS were in its infancy.
I'm writing this because the Internet was total freedom. You got the sense back then that all things were possible through this medium. Yes Loot Boxes are addictive for some people. I say so what it is like gambling. This is the wild west Internet. Good or Bad it should never be regulated or touched. Las Vegas is around and so are Indian Casinos. I don't see anybody shutting them down. Loot boxes are akin to a slot machine. Who cares in my opinion.
Those casinos in Las Vegas and on Indian reservations are regulated.
Thats incorrect, Las Vegas is regulated Indian casino's are not. Thats why when you go to Vegas or Atlantic City you will see a sign above a slot machine that says something like 90% payout or something to that effect, They are required by law to show the machines payout over the course of its lifetime.
Indian Casino's on the other hand answer to No one except themselves, This is all information you can read about online, no grand conspiracy here. But definitely something to keep in mind on your next trip to the Casino.
In my experience Vegas and A.C. are much more generous when it comes to payouts,comp and frequency with which you win than Indian Casino's. I might be getting off topic but just wanted to clarify.
Indian Casinos donate a lot of money to charities. They also are in bed with the local cities and states. Trust me donations are made frequently. This is basically to keep the roads in good shape.
Territorial sovereignty: Tribal authority on Indian land is organic and is not granted by the states in which Indian lands
are located. Plenary power doctrine: Congress, and not the Executive
Branch, has ultimate authority with regard to matters affecting the Indian tribes.
I wasn't saying Indian casino's are bad i was simply pointing out they are not regulated, Just throwing out a interesting FACT for those of us who like to gamble.
Im not really taking a stance on the subject at hand "loot boxes" because im 50/50 on it. I think its sleazy to have this in video games but at the same time i dont want Big Government telling me what i can and can not do with my money. I agree with the gentleman everyone is ragging on, It is the parents responsibility to teach your kids right from wrong.
Back in my day as a kid we had a form of loot boxes, they were called football & baseball cards. I remember wanting that John Elway rookie card so bad, I bought countless packs and it took forever before i finally got it. Did i ever steal from my parents dresser to get more money to buy more packs ? Of course not, I was raised better than that. Did i grow up to be a degenerate gambler because i gambled on Topps football card packs to get the players i wanted ? Of course i didn't, I was raised better than that.
I remember when I first got the Internet in the early 90's. It was through my local newspaper. Back then newspapers and local companies made the Internet available. My kick ass dial up modem was so cool. I thought I had so much power. Very few people had the Internet back then. The Internet was like the wild west. No rules and anything and everything was available. Most users hung out in forums. Chat rooms were extremely popular. Games were available and MMORPGS were in its infancy.
I'm writing this because the Internet was total freedom. You got the sense back then that all things were possible through this medium. Yes Loot Boxes are addictive for some people. I say so what it is like gambling. This is the wild west Internet. Good or Bad it should never be regulated or touched. Las Vegas is around and so are Indian Casinos. I don't see anybody shutting them down. Loot boxes are akin to a slot machine. Who cares in my opinion.
Those casinos in Las Vegas and on Indian reservations are regulated.
Thats incorrect, Las Vegas is regulated Indian casino's are not. Thats why when you go to Vegas or Atlantic City you will see a sign above a slot machine that says something like 90% payout or something to that effect, They are required by law to show the machines payout over the course of its lifetime.
Indian Casino's on the other hand answer to No one except themselves, This is all information you can read about online, no grand conspiracy here. But definitely something to keep in mind on your next trip to the Casino.
In my experience Vegas and A.C. are much more generous when it comes to payouts,comp and frequency with which you win than Indian Casino's. I might be getting off topic but just wanted to clarify.
Indian Casinos donate a lot of money to charities. They also are in bed with the local cities and states. Trust me donations are made frequently. This is basically to keep the roads in good shape.
Territorial sovereignty: Tribal authority on Indian land is organic and is not granted by the states in which Indian lands
are located. Plenary power doctrine: Congress, and not the Executive
Branch, has ultimate authority with regard to matters affecting the Indian tribes.
I wasn't saying Indian casino's are bad i was simply pointing out they are not regulated, Just throwing out a interesting FACT for those of us who like to gamble.
Im not really taking a stance on the subject at hand "loot boxes" because im 50/50 on it. I think its sleazy to have this in video games but at the same time i dont want Big Government telling me what i can and can not do with my money. I agree with the gentleman everyone is ragging on, It is the parents responsibility to teach your kids right from wrong.
Back in my day as a kid we had a form of loot boxes, they were called football & baseball cards. I remember wanting that John Elway rookie card so bad, I bought countless packs and it took forever before i finally got it. Did i ever steal from my parents dresser to get more money to buy more packs ? Of course not, I was raised better than that. Did i grow up to be a degenerate gambler because i gambled on Topps football card packs to get the players i wanted ? Of course i didn't, I was raised better than that.
The differences have really been pointed out ad nauseum, though.
Cards change in value based, in large part, on things outside of the manufacturer's control (careers of the players). Games are in no such situation.
Loot boxes are like sports cards, if the sports card companies unilaterally also determined how good and popular the players themselves are.
Not sure what your WTF is about. Everything above is just statement of fact. There is no opinion on the differences I pointed out between lootboxes in video games and sports cards. Manufacturers in one have unilateral control in determining value, in the other they do not.
I haven't even technically done (4) as far as I see it, because you're relying on technicality to make that claim.
Aeander
"I haven't even technically done (4) as far as I see it, because you're relying on technicality to make that claim."
No I'm relying on facts to make that claim. I'm glad you admit that.
The way you see it > FACTS
This is really good information for anyone else who wants to try and have an intelligent conversation with you. Before they do they should really read your above comment.
As to loot boxes, IMO they are gambling. Because what is the main reason most people buy them, it's a CHANCE to get the desired item. Therefore not much different then say buying a lottery ticket. Sure you always get something, but off times it's not what you wanted. So I'm all for the investigation of loot boxes in video games.
As to loot boxes, IMO they are gambling. Because what is the main reason most people buy them, it's a CHANCE to get the desired item. Therefore not much different then say buying a lottery ticket. Sure you always get something, but off times it's not what you wanted. So I'm all for the investigation of loot boxes in video games.
Are those quarter sticker machines gambling also? How about a gumball machine?
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Scenario 1:
So I pay for cable package 1, in order to get the fight I have two options.
1) Upgrade to package 2
2) Buy it on pay-per-view
I use the same cable company as my neighbor but he purchased the microtransactions to watch the fight and the neighbor across the street upgraded to package 2. They get the fight I dont.
Scenario 2:
I watch the nfl on normal station I get one angle one commentary.
My neighbor purchased the nfl package and has multiple angels and a choice of which commentators he listens to.
In the above scenarios my neighbors get more for paying more there is no difference then a gamer getting more for paying more.
You just look at it as the person who has less somehow got it taken away.
Every industry is regulated in one way or another. It's unethical, dishonest, business practice that brings on regulation in the first place.
If this industry ends up being regulated, it's the industries fault, not the shitty parents or the kids.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
There is nothing unethical, dishonest in selling a virtual item in a video game. It doesnt matter how much it may offend a few people.
Omg my kid watches Paw Patrol when we walk down the target isle he wants the paw patrol toys. How dare that unethical dishonest Paw Patrol target my son like that.
Just read that third paragraph if you believe that paragraph there is no point in continuing this conversation.
It's not akin to different TV packages, because that's an upfront choice with detailed and known products. It's akin to getting you to purchase a package, then constantly being bombarded with interruptions to your purchased broadcasts to show you what you're missing because you won't give them another 30 bucks for this NFL camera angle , or for that MLB commentator by showing you bits and pieces of the angle or commentator or how many other people are buying those angles and commentators.
The NFL offering it's own network, or selling subscriptions to all networks that run NFL games, is still just offering additional channels for a price. It isn't interrupting or manipulating the broadcasts of any individual channel to get you to purchase others. Each channel strives, by itself and independently of the other broadcast channels, to provide the best commentary and coverage possible. They don't game angles and commentators to get you to buy them all.
Indian Casino's on the other hand answer to No one except themselves, This is all information you can read about online, no grand conspiracy here. But definitely something to keep in mind on your next trip to the Casino.
In my experience Vegas and A.C. are much more generous when it comes to payouts,comp and frequency with which you win than Indian Casino's. I might be getting off topic but just wanted to clarify.
Aloha Mr Hand !
I'm a grandfather, I've got four kids 27, 24, 23 and 20. My grandson is 3 and watches Paw Patrol too. He has Paw Patrol cloths, Paw Patrol plates, Paw Patrol cutlery, Paw Patrol toothbrush and toothpaste, shampoo, and not to mention all the Paw Patrol toys in his collection.
I told my daughter to not be such an idiot.
When I was a kid a cartoon was just a cartoon. Now a days a cartoon is nothing more than a 30 minute infomercial.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
You know lying doesnt help your point. It was never called Unlawful.
"In July 1997, under pressure from the impending Mangini trial, Congress, and various public-interest groups, RJR announced it would settle out of court and voluntarily end its Joe Camel campaign. A new campaign with a more adult theme debuted: instead of Joe Camel, it had a plain image of a quadrupedal, non-anthropomorphic camel."
Fyi most government have stated loot boxes are NOT gambling so which activity is selling in game items equivalent to cigarettes? Btw they still sell candy cigarettes.
If your anecdotal evidence is universally true, it's kind of case in point how the consumer generally gets fucked without regulatory protections.
Also, you know who settles out of court and "voluntarily" ends a practice? A corporation who knows they've been caught with their hand in the cookie jar and is expecting to lose in court, that's who.
What you've done...
1) Blame the developers
2) Make excuses for shitty parents
3) Called developers predators
4) Lied in a desperate attempt to make a point
Please take your dishonest emotional accusations, lies and misinformation elsewhere thanks.
And you are the one who has conflated the situation with merchandising and television commercials, as if that is somehow applicable or factual. Take your ass backwards argument elsewhere and come up with something better.
Im not really taking a stance on the subject at hand "loot boxes" because im 50/50 on it. I think its sleazy to have this in video games but at the same time i dont want Big Government telling me what i can and can not do with my money. I agree with the gentleman everyone is ragging on, It is the parents responsibility to teach your kids right from wrong.
Back in my day as a kid we had a form of loot boxes, they were called football & baseball cards. I remember wanting that John Elway rookie card so bad, I bought countless packs and it took forever before i finally got it. Did i ever steal from my parents dresser to get more money to buy more packs ? Of course not, I was raised better than that. Did i grow up to be a degenerate gambler because i gambled on Topps football card packs to get the players i wanted ? Of course i didn't, I was raised better than that.
Aloha Mr Hand !
Cards change in value based, in large part, on things outside of the manufacturer's control (careers of the players). Games are in no such situation.
Loot boxes are like sports cards, if the sports card companies unilaterally also determined how good and popular the players themselves are.
Not sure what your WTF is about. Everything above is just statement of fact. There is no opinion on the differences I pointed out between lootboxes in video games and sports cards. Manufacturers in one have unilateral control in determining value, in the other they do not.
"I haven't even technically done (4) as far as I see it, because you're relying on technicality to make that claim."
No I'm relying on facts to make that claim. I'm glad you admit that.
The way you see it > FACTS
This is really good information for anyone else who wants to try and have an intelligent conversation with you. Before they do they should really read your above comment.