I always looked at loot boxes as gambling in a sense but i was okay with it. Then again, loot boxes came into fruition when i was older and understood things better.
I consider loot boxes just a pathetic way to fund your game and normally dont like games with them more because the game sucks and the mechanics of it as well, rather than their presence.
Path of exile has loot boxes, but the game isnt built around it, so it doesnt bother me.
The biggest problem is most games have core mechanic's built around their monetization plan. Investors want that plan in place before then start given millions of dollars to the project. They see games like Genshin impact and go wow they made their production cost back in 2 weeks lets to that ! And if every one else is already doing it they try to come up with more gimmick's or shady tactic's so they can be competitive.
This preys on young 18 somethings that have a new credit card and not exposed to gambling yet. They may soon realize they are prone to an addiction. Not that loot boxes should be illegal in my opinion, but make them say what they are. Splash screen when you log in. This is gambling. Your chances of getting that item you really want is a low percentage. Good luck and thank you for the monies. And if the area the game is being operated in doesn't allow gambling - then the loot boxes shouldn't be allowed either.
Do you guys also have problems with state and national lotteries, they are kind of like lootboxes in a way?
Only they are not same. While laws are different in every area of the world there are 3 general rules are that lawyers will tell you need to be applied.
In the case of lootboxs your not placing a bet with the publisher. And there is no winner/loser/prize. You always get what you pay for even if it is randomized and not what you wanted.
For example you want start raising chickens for their eggs. So you buy a bunch of unhatched eggs to incubate. Doing so fits within rules of consideration and chance. But again the farmer that sold you those eggs is not offering your a awarded prize.
The example is just in general. Different publisher do did things with surprise mechanic's some of which is not legal. This is why you see the Korea government going after certain lootbox games despite the country liking gacha mechanic's. Same thing with the Netherlands case.
Here’s an egg.
Odds are it’s a chicken, but maybe you get a duck or a goose and if you’re real lucky you get a macaw.
When you buy an egg, you are buying the EGG, not what it might be, but what it is, for the value it offers as an egg. regardless if you are buying that egg for incubation or to make an omelette, you are still just buying the egg, and at the end of the day, you got exactly what you paid for, an egg.
With that said, If you wanted a baby chicken, you should just have gone and bought a baby chicken.
Would you prefer something more along the fertility clinics that many people use with end results that are still based on chance ?
Your logic on the egg could be applied to a lootboxs. Your not buying what will be when you open it. If the end results don't matter then your just buying a lootbox and you got exactly what you paid for.
If you want a baby chicken you have the right to go out and buy one. But that does not give you the right to make that choice for someone else. If someone is trying to sell you something you don't want you have every right to not buy it and go somewhere else.
If the Loot box had fixed contents, like a Chicken Egg does, where I could just buy and use the Loot Box in and of its own right like I can with a chicken egg. Case in point, I can buy a chicken egg, cook it and eat it, or even eat it raw if that is my thing, it still has value as an egg in and of its own right, because an egg always has roughly the same content, along with a shell that if it strikes my fancy, I can even use that, with very little verance, in what I can expect to get. Now if a loot box was the same way, you would have a point.
But, it not even remotely close.
A loot box has no fixed content value.
In fact, to really grasp how messed up your analogy is to an egg, the only way to make a proper analogy, would be if you spent 2 dollars for an egg, and you could get any kind of egg that might exist, from a 2 cent massed produced hollow plastic egg, or a marshmallow egg, an M&M egg, maybe a chicken egg, or a Snake Egg, perhaps a cadbury Egg, or a ostrich egg, or a penguin egg, or a faberge' egg worth thousands of dollars, and you have no idea what you will get.
That is the kind of messed up fuckery we are dealing with, when it comes to lootboxes.
Now, if a lootbox had the consistency of a Chicken Egg, we would not be having this discussion, and everyone would be getting their 30 cents worth from each egg they bought for 30 cents.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
Can you imagine if a fertility clinic was like a Lootbox.
"Well dear, ok so you want a baby, we are just going to roll some random dice, and see who's sperm you get, you might get the genetics of a olympic athlete who was a member of MENSA, might be from a psychopath who a skin head and neonazi, or anything in between.. Lets see what happens!"
I mean, how could anyone look at that, and NOT think that was gambling.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
Can you imagine if a fertility clinic was like a Lootbox.
"Well dear, ok so you want a baby, we are just going to roll some random dice, and see who's sperm you get, you might get the genetics of a olympic athlete who was a member of MENSA, might be from a psychopath who a skin head and neonazi, or anything in between.. Lets see what happens!"
I mean, how could anyone look at that, and NOT think that was gambling.
When you buy an egg, you are buying the EGG, not what it might be, but what it is, for the value it offers as an egg.
Lootboxs do have a fixed value when you purchase it. And I have said more then once you should never get less then what purchase as a end result.
And a lootbox can have that consistency. Mechanic's whys there is nothing stopping them from making them that way. Hell they could even allow you to costume design your own boxes. You could bring up a list of items of all the same value and function that you want with the only difference being purely cosmetic throw them in a randomizer and then click the checkout button.
As for the fertility clinic's. Sure can pick your donors and screen for genetic defects. You can even discard eggs based on gender. But there is still risk involved. There are many couples that try multiple times to have kids with no success. While others give birth to 5+ at a time. Just because you have a good donor does not mean that the child is going to grow up to be a 6 foot tall genius. Most just pray for a healthy child.
When you buy an egg, you are buying the EGG, not what it might be, but what it is, for the value it offers as an egg.
Lootboxs do have a fixed value when you purchase it. And I have said more then once you should never get less then what purchase as a end result.
And a lootbox can have that consistency. Mechanic's whys there is nothing stopping them from making them that way. Hell they could even allow you to costume design your own boxes. You could bring up a list of items of all the same value and function that you want with the only difference being purely cosmetic throw them in a randomizer and then click the checkout button.
As for the fertility clinic's. Sure can pick your donors and screen for genetic defects. You can even discard eggs based on gender. But there is still risk involved. There are many couples that try multiple times to have kids with no success. While others give birth to 5+ at a time. Just because you have a good donor does not mean that the child is going to grow up to be a 6 foot tall genius. Most just pray for a healthy child.
GW2 did start to put in fixed rewards in their Black Lion Chest, like Gold Lion figures that you could trade in for the exact item you were looking for.
Still think it's a sham, but that is better than what some other companies have offered.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
We already went through the drug dealing publisher topic in this thread so not going to go over it again lol.
That being said if your child is a hard drug user with a addiction and is stealing. You dam well better take responsibility for them or put them in jail.
On the topic of subs for mmo's. They really just don't work anymore. Most of the games with subs that do work tend to have a decade or more worth of content to go through. Something that new games can't compete with at release. And even most of those older games now allow access to the game for free even if that access is limited.
You completely missed the point even with a way out there obvious analogy so I think you are being obtuse on purpose.
The point was that even though strip clubs are legal and so are dancing girls it doesn't mean a strip club can just let a kid in under the retarded guise that it's all on the parents to.... you know parent their kids.
Again for the deaf and people being truly disingenuous no one is saying parents should get a free pass and try to make others solely responsible for raising their kids.
That said the "it takes a village" saying also applies in that to raise kids into respected, productive, responsible adults it also takes a community conducive to do so.
It's a simple concept that even the most unenlightened should be able to grasp.
Lootboxes are predatory practices that should fall under the laws of gambling as that's what they are... even if in a less straightforward method. As such they should not be in our games unless they follow online gambling laws.
People tried the same stupid arguments about smoking here in Canada when law passed that you can't light up in bars or inside public areas.
There was lots of gnashing of teeth and whinging and moaning about my rights, blabla ad nauseam.
It's the same difference.
Another thing I find real funny is people that hold your weak argument about it being all about personal responsibility seem abnormally afraid to allow that personal responsibility be applied online for everyone.
Everyone isn't just parents it also includes companies and other such entities, just like bars have a "personal responsibility" to make sure their client is of legal age.
Just like supermarkets/depanneur's here have a personal responsibility to make sure the peeps buying cigarettes are of the legal age limit.
Just like the SQDC has the responsibility to make sure their clients are of legal age etc etc
The whole "the parent should be responsible but the companies shouldn't have to be" doesn't hold water as this is what being responsible leads to. It bleeds over into our society and dictates what is acceptable, under what circumstances and even where on some things.......
Seems like there's far too many people using the "but it's the parents responsibilities" to try and avoid taking a little themselves to the point they will try and argue it's some kind of violation of their rights if a company can't do w/e the hell they want with impunity.
I see this is being tried in BC and I dunno how their gambling laws but in my province they are quite strict to the point things like raffles and giveaways online often exclude my province as they would have to go through our provincial government etc.
How does a parent stop a 16 year old from walking into GameStop and buying a “game card” that they use on lootboxes? What about the 12 year old that asks Granny for an EA Card for his birthday? Are these cards currently age restricted? Nope.
I just looked and you can spend your EA “Origin” card on things like FIFA points that you use to buy gamepacks(lootboxes).
Heck... how about just a Steam card? Get a $50 Steam card and use it to buy ESO Crowns...
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How does a parent stop a 16 year old from walking into GameStop and buying a “game card” that they use on lootboxes? What about the 12 year old that asks Granny for an EA Card for his birthday? Are these cards currently age restricted? Nope.
Err, by knowing what they are doing on the computers / cell phones / game consoles in my household, controlling what games they play and what they can do in them?
No one used electronic devices I bought and paid for without my knowledge of what was on them or how they were used.
Yes, I monitored and spied on them, never sharing how I obtained my information, made them think I was near omniscient at times.
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Of course parents don't get to abdicate their responsibilities but that does not mean establishments or games can lure our children into gambling. Yes we all have to monitor what our children do but that does not mean shops can sell liquor to children or allow children into gaming halls.
Introducing restrictions to games with gambling isn't about abdication it is about control even if that control may seem tenuous. Even if you cannot effectively control Steam cash or Amazon cards or other electronic methods kids may resort to , you don't throw up your hands and say "it does not matter". We didn't throw our hands up and allow kids to buy cigarettes and liquor and we shouldn't do it now.
If no one wants to institute control over things that can be harmful to our future how can we effectively be caretakers to this hobby.
How does a parent stop a 16 year old from walking into GameStop and buying a “game card” that they use on lootboxes? What about the 12 year old that asks Granny for an EA Card for his birthday? Are these cards currently age restricted? Nope.
Err, by knowing what they are doing on the computers / cell phones / game consoles in my household, controlling what games they play and what they can do in them?
No one used electronic devices I bought and paid for without my knowledge of what was on them or how they were used.
Yes, I monitored and spied on them, never sharing how I obtained my information, made them think I was near omniscient at times.
Ideally the answer for MMO's is at account creation, where they ask your age, or DOB.
If the account creator lies, that is on the account creator, not the service. So saying that game needs to be rated NC-17 due to gambling mechanics in place would be the start of things.
I am sure many parents would not allow their child to buy a game that was NC-17 no matter what the reasons, but then again, a lot of MMO's are F2P and a child would not need to inform their parents if they installed say WoW on the laptop they were given for school.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
How does a parent stop a 16 year old from walking into GameStop and buying a “game card” that they use on lootboxes? What about the 12 year old that asks Granny for an EA Card for his birthday? Are these cards currently age restricted? Nope.
Err, by knowing what they are doing on the computers / cell phones / game consoles in my household, controlling what games they play and what they can do in them?
No one used electronic devices I bought and paid for without my knowledge of what was on them or how they were used.
Yes, I monitored and spied on them, never sharing how I obtained my information, made them think I was near omniscient at times.
That’s a really naive perspective and is the equivalent of saying stores don’t have to check IDs for alcohol because parents should know where every dollar is spent at all times. It’s even worse because these are hidden beneath multiple levels of transactions. In this case a 16 year old uses the $20 Grandma gave him to buy a Steam card at GameStop. He then uses the Steam card to buy crowns in eso. He then uses the crowns to buy lootboxes.
Its ridiculous. Kids are more technically astute than their parents in most cases.Lets be honest. The average 16 year old knows far more about this stuff than their parents.
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When you buy an egg, you are buying the EGG, not what it might be, but what it is, for the value it offers as an egg. regardless if you are buying that egg for incubation or to make an omelette, you are still just buying the egg, and at the end of the day, you got exactly what you paid for, an egg.
With that said, If you wanted a baby chicken, you should just have gone and bought a baby chicken.
Would you prefer something more along the fertility clinics that many people use with end results that are still based on chance ?
Your logic on the egg could be applied to a lootboxs. Your not buying what will be when you open it. If the end results don't matter then your just buying a lootbox and you got exactly what you paid for.
If you want a baby chicken you have the right to go out and buy one. But that does not give you the right to make that choice for someone else. If someone is trying to sell you something you don't want you have every right to not buy it and go somewhere else.
If the Loot box had fixed contents, like a Chicken Egg does, where I could just buy and use the Loot Box in and of its own right like I can with a chicken egg. Case in point, I can buy a chicken egg, cook it and eat it, or even eat it raw if that is my thing, it still has value as an egg in and of its own right, because an egg always has roughly the same content, along with a shell that if it strikes my fancy, I can even use that, with very little verance, in what I can expect to get. Now if a loot box was the same way, you would have a point.
But, it not even remotely close.
A loot box has no fixed content value.
In fact, to really grasp how messed up your analogy is to an egg, the only way to make a proper analogy, would be if you spent 2 dollars for an egg, and you could get any kind of egg that might exist, from a 2 cent massed produced hollow plastic egg, or a marshmallow egg, an M&M egg, maybe a chicken egg, or a Snake Egg, perhaps a cadbury Egg, or a ostrich egg, or a penguin egg, or a faberge' egg worth thousands of dollars, and you have no idea what you will get.
That is the kind of messed up fuckery we are dealing with, when it comes to lootboxes.
Now, if a lootbox had the consistency of a Chicken Egg, we would not be having this discussion, and everyone would be getting their 30 cents worth from each egg they bought for 30 cents.
As an aside to the Egg analogy. I've never lootboxed a house. At least, as far as you and the authorities know.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
How does a parent stop a 16 year old from walking into GameStop and buying a “game card” that they use on lootboxes? What about the 12 year old that asks Granny for an EA Card for his birthday? Are these cards currently age restricted? Nope.
Err, by knowing what they are doing on the computers / cell phones / game consoles in my household, controlling what games they play and what they can do in them?
No one used electronic devices I bought and paid for without my knowledge of what was on them or how they were used.
Yes, I monitored and spied on them, never sharing how I obtained my information, made them think I was near omniscient at times.
I prefer the term parental supervision instead of spying lol. In this digital age you need to be aware of everything they are doing with those devices and shut it down if you see something you don't like. There are real predators on the internet that you need to protect your kids from. Putting a parental block on 18 and over sites then walking away does not cut it any more.
Not going to bother quoting the other post to save on space.
If a child is sneaking out and breaking your rules YOU have a problem you need to deal with. If a child is stealing from you there's a problem YOU need to deal with. If a adult is giving your children some thing you take issue with even if it's granny then that's a problem YOU have to deal with. If you need help that's fine but it's still your responsible as a parent.
1997 a 13 year old boy was killed by his best friend. Who stabbed him in the chest with kitchen knife for fun. The mother turned around and sued Midway games. Because she felt it's some how Midways fault that the child did not know it's not ok to stab your best friend to death.
As for the obtuse claim. My examples intentionally mirror/mock the obtuse or truly disingenuous claims by some posting here to justify the removal of randomized mechanic's in video games.
If you don't like this kind of mechanic's and push to get them removed or better regulated that's fine. But don't exploit children and mentally vulnerable people to do so. And that is exactly what your doing when you take 20 years of scientific research on video game physical/mental health problems and only apply it to lootboxs.
How does a parent stop a 16 year old from walking into GameStop and buying a “game card” that they use on lootboxes? What about the 12 year old that asks Granny for an EA Card for his birthday? Are these cards currently age restricted? Nope.
Err, by knowing what they are doing on the computers / cell phones / game consoles in my household, controlling what games they play and what they can do in them?
No one used electronic devices I bought and paid for without my knowledge of what was on them or how they were used.
Yes, I monitored and spied on them, never sharing how I obtained my information, made them think I was near omniscient at times.
That’s a really naive perspective and is the equivalent of saying stores don’t have to check IDs for alcohol because parents should know where every dollar is spent at all times. It’s even worse because these are hidden beneath multiple levels of transactions. In this case a 16 year old uses the $20 Grandma gave him to buy a Steam card at GameStop. He then uses the Steam card to buy crowns in eso. He then uses the crowns to buy lootboxes.
Its ridiculous. Kids are more technically astute than their parents in most cases.Lets be honest. The average 16 year old knows far more about this stuff than their parents.
well like most stores they really don't check, or when I was playing mortal kombat on my snes, but I had a beard growing since 13,
but serious back in my time most tech and eletronics was me who dealt with, since my parents are bad at then.
and hell today I have to tell my parents things like don't add anyone you don't know, don'ttrust anyone over the net, if anyone tells you win something you can bet your ass is a phishing, and when in doubt ask me
The idea that you know anything about parenting is hilarious. Just stick to LoLs and let the grownups have a talk.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
That's awesome.
Unlike others, who desperately try to post some original, witty reply and fail miserably, you just accept your limitations and go straight to the bone - repeating same old same old of uninspiring personal invections.
The idea that you know anything about parenting is hilarious. Just stick to LoLs and let the grownups have a talk.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
That's awesome.
Unlike others, who desperately try to post some original, witty reply and fail miserably, you just accept your limitations and go straight to the bone - repeating same old same old of uninspiring personal invections.
kudos for that
Says the person who went straight for the insults a couple comments above mine without any substance to back it up (the usual stuff). So let me give the last part of your post right back to you:
you just accept your limitations and go straight to the bone - repeating same old same old of uninspiring personal invections.
By now I have noticed that when you talk about others you really just talk about yourself. Btw, your reaction made it painfully obvious you don't have any kids, else you wouldn't have posted what you did.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
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Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
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It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
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That’s a really naive perspective and is the equivalent of saying stores don’t have to check IDs for alcohol because parents should know where every dollar is spent at all times. It’s even worse because these are hidden beneath multiple levels of transactions. In this case a 16 year old uses the $20 Grandma gave him to buy a Steam card at GameStop. He then uses the Steam card to buy crowns in eso. He then uses the crowns to buy lootboxes.
Its ridiculous. Kids are more technically astute than their parents in most cases.Lets be honest. The average 16 year old knows far more about this stuff than their parents.
Indeed two wrong do not make a right, if for some reason a parent fails it doesn't give the rest of us (looking at companies here) a free pass to do w/e and not be responsible for their action or lack thereof.
The sole focus on the responsibility of the parent and ignoring all else it blatantly strawmaning at this point to peddle some false reasoning and lack of logic.
I am sure Kyleran knows better too, he's just needing to win an argument here at any cost.
I prefer the term parental supervision instead of spying lol. In this digital age you need to be aware of everything they are doing with those devices and shut it down if you see something you don't like. There are real predators on the internet that you need to protect your kids from. Putting a parental block on 18 and over sites then walking away does not cut it any more.
Not going to bother quoting the other post to save on space.
If a child is sneaking out and breaking your rules YOU have a problem you need to deal with. If a child is stealing from you there's a problem YOU need to deal with. If a adult is giving your children some thing you take issue with even if it's granny then that's a problem YOU have to deal with. If you need help that's fine but it's still your responsible as a parent.
1997 a 13 year old boy was killed by his best friend. Who stabbed him in the chest with kitchen knife for fun. The mother turned around and sued Midway games. Because she felt it's some how Midways fault that the child did not know it's not ok to stab your best friend to death.
As for the obtuse claim. My examples intentionally mirror/mock the obtuse or truly disingenuous claims by some posting here to justify the removal of randomized mechanic's in video games.
If you don't like this kind of mechanic's and push to get them removed or better regulated that's fine. But don't exploit children and mentally vulnerable people to do so. And that is exactly what your doing when you take 20 years of scientific research on video game physical/mental health problems and only apply it to lootboxs.
Again peddling a strawman arguement and losing site of the forest for the sake of one tree.....lol Also your use of the term "random mechanics" lmao is telling.
Schill is obviously schilling.
Furthermore your theory that wanting lootboxes gone is exploiting children and people with mental vulnerabilities is laughable and yet another attempt to obfuscate the issues with logical fallacies....
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Odds are it’s a chicken, but maybe you get a duck or a goose and if you’re real lucky you get a macaw.
Thats your egg analogy.
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But, it not even remotely close.
A loot box has no fixed content value.
In fact, to really grasp how messed up your analogy is to an egg, the only way to make a proper analogy, would be if you spent 2 dollars for an egg, and you could get any kind of egg that might exist, from a 2 cent massed produced hollow plastic egg, or a marshmallow egg, an M&M egg, maybe a chicken egg, or a Snake Egg, perhaps a cadbury Egg, or a ostrich egg, or a penguin egg, or a faberge' egg worth thousands of dollars, and you have no idea what you will get.
That is the kind of messed up fuckery we are dealing with, when it comes to lootboxes.
Now, if a lootbox had the consistency of a Chicken Egg, we would not be having this discussion, and everyone would be getting their 30 cents worth from each egg they bought for 30 cents.
"Well dear, ok so you want a baby, we are just going to roll some random dice, and see who's sperm you get, you might get the genetics of a olympic athlete who was a member of MENSA, might be from a psychopath who a skin head and neonazi, or anything in between.. Lets see what happens!"
I mean, how could anyone look at that, and NOT think that was gambling.
Lootboxs do have a fixed value when you purchase it. And I have said more then once you should never get less then what purchase as a end result.
And a lootbox can have that consistency. Mechanic's whys there is nothing stopping them from making them that way. Hell they could even allow you to costume design your own boxes. You could bring up a list of items of all the same value and function that you want with the only difference being purely cosmetic throw them in a randomizer and then click the checkout button.
As for the fertility clinic's. Sure can pick your donors and screen for genetic defects. You can even discard eggs based on gender. But there is still risk involved. There are many couples that try multiple times to have kids with no success. While others give birth to 5+ at a time. Just because you have a good donor does not mean that the child is going to grow up to be a 6 foot tall genius. Most just pray for a healthy child.
Still think it's a sham, but that is better than what some other companies have offered.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Heck... how about just a Steam card? Get a $50 Steam card and use it to buy ESO Crowns...
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No one used electronic devices I bought and paid for without my knowledge of what was on them or how they were used.
Yes, I monitored and spied on them, never sharing how I obtained my information, made them think I was near omniscient at times.
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Introducing restrictions to games with gambling isn't about abdication it is about control even if that control may seem tenuous. Even if you cannot effectively control Steam cash or Amazon cards or other electronic methods kids may resort to , you don't throw up your hands and say "it does not matter". We didn't throw our hands up and allow kids to buy cigarettes and liquor and we shouldn't do it now.
If no one wants to institute control over things that can be harmful to our future how can we effectively be caretakers to this hobby.
If the account creator lies, that is on the account creator, not the service. So saying that game needs to be rated NC-17 due to gambling mechanics in place would be the start of things.
I am sure many parents would not allow their child to buy a game that was NC-17 no matter what the reasons, but then again, a lot of MMO's are F2P and a child would not need to inform their parents if they installed say WoW on the laptop they were given for school.
Apparently it is you who can't answer them - like all shitty, lazy parents.
Its ridiculous. Kids are more technically astute than their parents in most cases.Lets be honest. The average 16 year old knows far more about this stuff than their parents.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
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/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Not going to bother quoting the other post to save on space.
If a child is sneaking out and breaking your rules YOU have a problem you need to deal with. If a child is stealing from you there's a problem YOU need to deal with. If a adult is giving your children some thing you take issue with even if it's granny then that's a problem YOU have to deal with. If you need help that's fine but it's still your responsible as a parent.
1997 a 13 year old boy was killed by his best friend. Who stabbed him in the chest with kitchen knife for fun. The mother turned around and sued Midway games. Because she felt it's some how Midways fault that the child did not know it's not ok to stab your best friend to death.
As for the obtuse claim. My examples intentionally mirror/mock the obtuse or truly disingenuous claims by some posting here to justify the removal of randomized mechanic's in video games.
If you don't like this kind of mechanic's and push to get them removed or better regulated that's fine. But don't exploit children and mentally vulnerable people to do so. And that is exactly what your doing when you take 20 years of scientific research on video game physical/mental health problems and only apply it to lootboxs.
Unlike others, who desperately try to post some original, witty reply and fail miserably, you just accept your limitations and go straight to the bone - repeating same old same old of uninspiring personal invections.
kudos for that
you just accept your limitations and go straight to the bone - repeating same old same old of uninspiring personal invections.
By now I have noticed that when you talk about others you really just talk about yourself. Btw, your reaction made it painfully obvious you don't have any kids, else you wouldn't have posted what you did.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.