I think, and this is just me, that if I was planning an MMO, where I could have my big beefy barbarian dwarf wearing a hot pink butt floss thong as they bull rush and jump into the air doing an axe cleave attack on a BAM, the insecure manbabies that could not handle seeing my hairy ass cheeks flap in the wind as I fought, would not be playing that MMO to start with, and the culture would overall be better.
I expect if that went on for long the number of people playing that particular MMO would be rather low, so the culture would overall be absent.
So, what you are saying, is that the problem is insecure fragile male egos that exist among males who MMO's, that could not handle men being sexualied right along with women.
Seems like a silly reason, IMHO.
What I'm saying is that a big, beefy, barbarian dwarf wearing a hot pink butt floss thong with flapping ass cheeks would be aesthetically pleasing to virtually no one, to such extent the vast majority would be driven away.
Now, if that was replaced with a mighty muscled barbarian with a physique more in line with Conan adorned in a strategically placed loincloth of disputable modesty that could be attractive to some.
Men as well as women all sexualized in a great deal of fantasy artwork, but very little of either are depicted with an unflattering form or manner, at least to the extent you describe. Instead the are presented as more Adonis or Aphrodite, or perhaps Mars and Artemis when they want take a more subtle approach.
Any man that embraces the objectification/sexualization of a female, and not equally so a male.. Yes.. they have a very frail ego.. like Thin untempered glass that shatters at the tiniest little poke.
Why would or should I embrace the sexualization of something I have no sexual interest in? What would possibly be the point? It is an absurd expectation.
It is equally absurd to expect me to endure such as well. Why would I continue to watch, listen to, or read something I dislike, find distasteful, or worse.
Neither are reasonable or logical behaviour so shouldn't be expected.
Any man that embraces the objectification/sexualization of a female, and not equally so a male.. Yes.. they have a very frail ego.. like Thin untempered glass that shatters at the tiniest little poke.
Why would or should I embrace the sexualization of something I have no sexual interest in? What would possibly be the point? It is an absurd expectation.
It's absurd to you that men and women be treated equally?
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
When I was younger, and even to this day, I don't like seeing too much skin, mostly because it removes me from teh game. It just doesn't make sense to me two half naked characters swinging swords at each other. The purpose of armor is to WEAR it. Or what about environment, like frozen worlds, being half naked? Breaks my immersion slightly. Another thing bothers me is how they'll obediently add more skin at the chest for lady avatars. As for males, I think they're sexualized too. Most of them are bulky, and at least for gay guys there's a huge muscle fetish culture. For woman sexualization is less visual, so intricate romance stories would be more indicative of sexualization of males. Seems ot me romance stories usually have mature handsome men with courages qualities and ample acts of kindness--or the opposite end they're gothic vampires with admirable human qualities contrasting a lust for blood. But I do remember in 2003 being stopped by a girl in EQ, and she said my avatar was sexy. It happens.
When I was younger, and even to this day, I don't like seeing too much skin, mostly because it removes me from teh game. It just doesn't make sense to me two half naked characters swinging swords at each other. The purpose of armor is to WEAR it. Or what about environment, like frozen worlds, being half naked? Breaks my immersion slightly. Another thing bothers me is how they'll obediently add more skin at the chest for lady avatars. As for males, I think they're sexualized too. Most of them are bulky, and at least for gay guys there's a huge muscle fetish culture. For woman sexualization is less visual, so romantic stories would be more indicative of sexualization of males. Seems ot me romance stories usually have handsome men with courageous qualities and ample acts of unselfish kindness--sort of the gentle giant, warrior only when necessary. But I do remember in 2003 being stopped by a girl in EQ, and she said my avatar was sexy.
To me, seeing a half naked anyone in an icy area breaks immersion but not because they are specifically "half naked." It's because they woudl freeze themselves to death.
It's one issue I have with the upcoming game Prey for the Gods. The avatar has no hat and no sleeves but they did an amazing job of creating a "freezing" environment.
It seems so cold that showing skin is immersion breaking.
I would also avoid the stereotype of "women prefer romance stories." There are plenty of women who enjoy looking at good looking people in various states of dress and undress.
They might not be as visual as men but even my experience going to the movies with a female friend only to have her suck in her breath when Jeremy Northam walked on screen told me what i needed to know about women and seeing good looking people.
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Any man that embraces the objectification/sexualization of a female, and not equally so a male.. Yes.. they have a very frail ego.. like Thin untempered glass that shatters at the tiniest little poke.
Why would or should I embrace the sexualization of something I have no sexual interest in? What would possibly be the point? It is an absurd expectation.
It's absurd to you that men and women be treated equally?
Wow. So not liking naked men is the same to you as women are lesser beings? Really? That's where you went with this?
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Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
When I was younger, and even to this day, I don't like seeing too much skin, mostly because it removes me from teh game. It just doesn't make sense to me two half naked characters swinging swords at each other. The purpose of armor is to WEAR it. Or what about environment, like frozen worlds, being half naked? Breaks my immersion slightly. Another thing bothers me is how they'll obediently add more skin at the chest for lady avatars. As for males, I think they're sexualized too. Most of them are bulky, and at least for gay guys there's a huge muscle fetish culture. For woman sexualization is less visual, so romantic stories would be more indicative of sexualization of males. Seems ot me romance stories usually have handsome men with courageous qualities and ample acts of unselfish kindness--sort of the gentle giant, warrior only when necessary. But I do remember in 2003 being stopped by a girl in EQ, and she said my avatar was sexy.
To me, seeing a half naked anyone in an icy area breaks immersion but not because they are specifically "half naked." It's because they woudl freeze themselves to death.
It's one issue I have with the upcoming game Prey for the Gods. The avatar has no hat and no sleeves but they did an amazing job of creating a "freezing" environment.
It seems so cold that showing skin is immersion breaking.
I would also avoid the stereotype of "women prefer romance stories." There are plenty of women who enjoy looking at good looking people in various states of dress and undress.
They might not be as visual as men but even my experience going to the movies with a female friend only to have her suck in her breath when Jeremy Northam walked on screen told me what i needed to know about women and seeing good looking people.
If we're going to make things exactly equal we also have to include transgenders, non-binaries, asexuals and everybody else--err LGBTTQQIAAP . Good luck with that though, I'm not sure their job will ever be done.
Honestly though, I think some people would be surprised how much input male game developers get from lady friends. It's not like they don't have wives or woman testers for feedback. In my opinion, George Lucas would not have been as succesful with STar Wars without his wife. Full truth is she helped him with a lot of his movies.
When I was younger, and even to this day, I don't like seeing too much skin, mostly because it removes me from teh game. It just doesn't make sense to me two half naked characters swinging swords at each other. The purpose of armor is to WEAR it. Or what about environment, like frozen worlds, being half naked? Breaks my immersion slightly. Another thing bothers me is how they'll obediently add more skin at the chest for lady avatars. As for males, I think they're sexualized too. Most of them are bulky, and at least for gay guys there's a huge muscle fetish culture. For woman sexualization is less visual, so romantic stories would be more indicative of sexualization of males. Seems ot me romance stories usually have handsome men with courageous qualities and ample acts of unselfish kindness--sort of the gentle giant, warrior only when necessary. But I do remember in 2003 being stopped by a girl in EQ, and she said my avatar was sexy.
To me, seeing a half naked anyone in an icy area breaks immersion but not because they are specifically "half naked." It's because they woudl freeze themselves to death.
It's one issue I have with the upcoming game Prey for the Gods. The avatar has no hat and no sleeves but they did an amazing job of creating a "freezing" environment.
It seems so cold that showing skin is immersion breaking.
I would also avoid the stereotype of "women prefer romance stories." There are plenty of women who enjoy looking at good looking people in various states of dress and undress.
They might not be as visual as men but even my experience going to the movies with a female friend only to have her suck in her breath when Jeremy Northam walked on screen told me what i needed to know about women and seeing good looking people.
If we're going to make things exactly equal we also have to include transgenders, non-binaries, asexuals and everybody else--err LGBTTQQIAAP . Good luck with that though, I'm not sure their job will ever be done.
Honestly though, I think some people would be surprised how much input male game developers get from lady friends. It's not like they don't have wives or woman testers for feedback. In my opinion, George Lucas would not have been as succesful with STar Wars without his wife. Full truth is she helped him with a lot of his movies.
I think your comment feels more like a personal stance on the subject than actually commenting on nudity in games. Or maybe not? I don't want to put words in your mouth.
I would think that a nude or partially clad character who is asexual will look the same as someone who considers themselves male or female.
How one identifies isn't going to change the body significantly unless someone with more experience in this area can chime in.
And if the player wants a more androgynous looking character or one that looks more male or more female, that's very easily done.
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Any man that embraces the objectification/sexualization of a female, and not equally so a male.. Yes.. they have a very frail ego.. like Thin untempered glass that shatters at the tiniest little poke.
Why would or should I embrace the sexualization of something I have no sexual interest in? What would possibly be the point? It is an absurd expectation.
It's absurd to you that men and women be treated equally?
Wow. So not liking naked men is the same to you as women are lesser beings? Really? That's where you went with this?
If you are fine with treating a women like a sack of meat to be objectified, and yet feel uncomfortable if the same is done to a male.. YAH.. that is exactly the route I went with that.
Yup.. right down that path.. 100%.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
Any man that embraces the objectification/sexualization of a female, and not equally so a male.. Yes.. they have a very frail ego.. like Thin untempered glass that shatters at the tiniest little poke.
Why would or should I embrace the sexualization of something I have no sexual interest in? What would possibly be the point? It is an absurd expectation.
It's absurd to you that men and women be treated equally?
Wow. So not liking naked men is the same to you as women are lesser beings? Really? That's where you went with this?
If you are fine with treating a women like a sack of meat to be objectified, and yet feel uncomfortable if the same is done to a male.. YAH.. that is exactly the route I went with that.
Yup.. right down that path.. 100%.
I like sexy women, but I have nothing if someone would treat me like that. It's nice to be treated in a sexy way.
But I'm fair like that. If Pamela can be fetishized, so can Arnold or Leonardo. I'm fine with that.
Any man that embraces the objectification/sexualization of a female, and not equally so a male.. Yes.. they have a very frail ego.. like Thin untempered glass that shatters at the tiniest little poke.
Why would or should I embrace the sexualization of something I have no sexual interest in? What would possibly be the point? It is an absurd expectation.
It's absurd to you that men and women be treated equally?
It isn't absurd to me, in theory. Should it ever happen I'll be happy to let you know how I feel about it when it is a matter of practice.
That is a more general topic and context than the comparative sexulization of genders though, making your question at least somewhat of an attempt at redirect.
There is a big difference between not being sexually interested in one sex or the other and feeling uncomfortable about it.
Indeed. I don't really feel that comfortable around a lot of nudity, but that don't mean I'm not interested(on the contrary!). Guess I should just find a right girl so I can enact all my perversions.
Any man that embraces the objectification/sexualization of a female, and not equally so a male.. Yes.. they have a very frail ego.. like Thin untempered glass that shatters at the tiniest little poke.
Why would or should I embrace the sexualization of something I have no sexual interest in? What would possibly be the point? It is an absurd expectation.
It's absurd to you that men and women be treated equally?
IDK maybe some people haven't noticed that men and Women are NOT the same NOT equal?FACT using one example,men have a lot more testosterone than women,like 10-20x more.Need i explain how that equates to differences?
Women and men are NOT equal some for the better some for the worse.Should they both be TREATED as equal ,well obviously yes but we are talking about an entirely different scenario.
Thing is that often people use phrases/statements in a far too generalized fashion,to be in fact just VAGUE statements that carry no merit to the argument.
I like to also point out that VERY often in real life nudity is used as a sexist ideal to SELL,market products and to me that is extremely lame.A product should be based on it's OWN merit and not outside influences like shills or reviews..I bring this to point out that BOTH men and women should not be portrayed in a sexual fashion to sell a product.We even see in MANY cases,game devs dressing women in short dresses,high heels,looking more like strippers than combat ready characters.Then we see games stick a female on the front cover,again dressed to look sexy to help sell the game.
Point being that HOW men and or women have been portrayed in life does NOT make it right or wrong either way,use your own common sense to determine right from wrong,we were given this ability.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Long time ago my husband would refuse see any movie with gay men in it. I went to see Brokeback Mountain and he refused to come with me for the movie so I went alone in Brazil no less. Over the years he became less squeamish and we watched Sense 8 together and he never reacted badly to the gay sex scenes. I thought they were very tastefully done. So I mentioned it and he said he got over it and found them fine now. He said it is part of life and just like straight sex.
The funniest part was he criticized one of our older female friend and her husband who refused to watch Sense 8 because of the gay sex scenes. I thought how hypocritical of him considering he was exactly like them before.
My husband was brought up a Roman Catholic but he no longer goes to church or is a practicing Christian but it goes to show how people can change with exposure. Opinions change and things people once thought were not something they can watch becomes acceptable. I think male nudity in games is like that.
Any man that embraces the objectification/sexualization of a female, and not equally so a male.. Yes.. they have a very frail ego.. like Thin untempered glass that shatters at the tiniest little poke.
Why would or should I embrace the sexualization of something I have no sexual interest in? What would possibly be the point? It is an absurd expectation.
It's absurd to you that men and women be treated equally?
IDK maybe some people haven't noticed that men and Women are NOT the same NOT equal?FACT using one example,men have a lot more testosterone than women,like 10-20x more.Need i explain how that equates to differences?
Women and men are NOT equal some for the better some for the worse.Should they both be TREATED as equal ,well obviously yes but we are talking about an entirely different scenario.
Thing is that often people use phrases/statements in a far too generalized fashion,to be in fact just VAGUE statements that carry no merit to the argument.
I like to also point out that VERY often in real life nudity is used as a sexist ideal to SELL,market products and to me that is extremely lame.A product should be based on it's OWN merit and not outside influences like shills or reviews..I bring this to point out that BOTH men and women should not be portrayed in a sexual fashion to sell a product.We even see in MANY cases,game devs dressing women in short dresses,high heels,looking more like strippers than combat ready characters.Then we see games stick a female on the front cover,again dressed to look sexy to help sell the game.
Point being that HOW men and or women have been portrayed in life does NOT make it right or wrong either way,use your own common sense to determine right from wrong,we were given this ability.
It's a video game, Male and Female toons are the same, except for purely cosmetic differences.
In fact, the only reason why they are not gray squares, is because people like those cosmetics, they are something they enjoy looking at, And since the difference is purely cosmetic, there is no reason not to treat male and female avatars in a game, the same.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
And since the difference is purely cosmetic, there is no reason not to treat male and female avatars in a game, the same.
Well, other than realism because the difference in genders is not simply cosmetic, but nobody wants that truth to be acknowledged.
Or is it more nobody could deliver that in a game without being crucified because many prefer to pretend these differences don't exist.
It's not all that horrible a pretense with gaming largely being escapist entertainment, especially in the case of MMORPGs, but it undermines any attempt at simulation of low magic and low technology settings which is my main annoyance with it.
and you know, I totally get it if some of you all disagree, but as I see it, if the Armor exposes the buttcheeks on the female character, it should also expose the buttcheeks on the male character.
I am not against sexualization, or against complete modesty, I just think it ought to be fair.
If the armor is going to be high fantasy sexualization, let's go down that road for both men and women.
If the armor is going to look realistic like it will actually protect you, let's go down that road for both men and women.
I don't think that is an unreasonable stance.
Different parts of the male physique tend to be sexualized. For example the biceps, abs (six-pack), lats, chest muscles, etc. Fantasy armors tend to play these areas up, highlighting and accentuating different parts of the body depending on whether it is a male or female.
I think these two adverts that came up on mmorpg.com while I was typing this illustrate the point. You can see the first picture highlights what is most attractive/distinctive about the female form: the deep neck line that shows more than a hint of breast, the flash of thigh threatening to reveal more, and the long slender arms ending in elegant, elongated fingers. The second picture focuses on the beauty of the males form: hard lines, chiseled abs, bulging biceps with enormous veins snaking down to thick powerful hands.
Both photos are sexualizing the human form, but they focus on different areas precisely because of the biological differences inherent to each sex.
However, do not be dismayed for I believe there is hope for you yet @Ungood. Surely as more and more people come to appreciate the extreme beauty of the male bottom we will eventually get to see some booty-revealing male armors as well
and you know, I totally get it if some of you all disagree, but as I see it, if the Armor exposes the buttcheeks on the female character, it should also expose the buttcheeks on the male character.
I am not against sexualization, or against complete modesty, I just think it ought to be fair.
If the armor is going to be high fantasy sexualization, let's go down that road for both men and women.
If the armor is going to look realistic like it will actually protect you, let's go down that road for both men and women.
I don't think that is an unreasonable stance.
Different parts of the male physique tend to be sexualized. For example the biceps, abs (six-pack), lats, chest muscles, etc. Fantasy armors tend to play these areas up, highlighting and accentuating different parts of the body depending on whether it is a male or female.
I think these two adverts that came up on mmorpg.com while I was typing this illustrate the point. You can see the first picture highlights what is most attractive/distinctive about the female form: the deep neck line that shows more than a hint of breast, the flash of thigh threatening to reveal more, and the long slender arms ending in elegant, elongated fingers. The second picture focuses on the beauty of the males form: hard lines, chiseled abs, bulging biceps with enormous veins snaking down to thick powerful hands.
Both photos are sexualizing the human form, but they focus on different areas precisely because of the biological differences inherent to each sex.
However, do not be dismayed for I believe there is hope for you yet @Ungood. Surely as more and more people come to appreciate the extreme beauty of the male bottom we will eventually get to see some booty-revealing male armors as well
I must have missed these adverts
But really, it's like guys are covered head to toe, every inch with armor, and women are expected to go into combat covered with 3 postage stamps and a pair of high heels.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
And since the difference is purely cosmetic, there is no reason not to treat male and female avatars in a game, the same.
Well, other than realism because the difference in genders is not simply cosmetic, but nobody wants that truth to be acknowledged.
Or is it more nobody could deliver that in a game without being crucified because many prefer to pretend these differences don't exist.
It's not all that horrible a pretense with gaming largely being escapist entertainment, especially in the case of MMORPGs, but it undermines any attempt at simulation of low magic and low technology settings which is my main annoyance with it.
Realism... LOL. Chainmail bikinis' and Boobplate is anything BUT realistic.
In fact there is nothing.. nothing at all realistic about Sexualized Body Armor. End of Discussion.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
I am utterly disgusted by this thread, I would like more pictures posted of sexy characters... that I can... um... protest to and write my congressperson... yeah...
And since the difference is purely cosmetic, there is no reason not to treat male and female avatars in a game, the same.
Well, other than realism because the difference in genders is not simply cosmetic, but nobody wants that truth to be acknowledged.
Or is it more nobody could deliver that in a game without being crucified because many prefer to pretend these differences don't exist.
It's not all that horrible a pretense with gaming largely being escapist entertainment, especially in the case of MMORPGs, but it undermines any attempt at simulation of low magic and low technology settings which is my main annoyance with it.
Realism... LOL. Chainmail bikinis' and Boobplate is anything BUT realistic.
In fact there is nothing.. nothing at all realistic about Sexualized Body Armor. End of Discussion.
You're not the only one capable of shifting gears in the middle of a conversation. This was my redirect into a broader context.
Aesthetics isn't the only difference between genders. Their is a general disparity in strength that should be quite relevant in low magic, low technology settings that is routinely ignored. There is also a general disparity in size that could also be quite relevant, which is again routinely ignored.
As a result any attempt at producing a realistic simulation of such is undermined from the beginning by fundamentally being contrary to reality. I find this annoying and would much rather have the setting either adapt to recognize those realities or provide a plausible reason as to why it deviates from them.
In the typical high fantasy setting it doesn't much matter as the realistic is cast aside with abandon from the get go through the abundance of magic and the fantastic. In such worlds the chain mail bikini and boob plate armour need not make any more sense than any of the other nonsensical things that surround them.
This thread has given me an idea for the next abusive cash shop practise for 2020, maybe a MMO or two can squeeze it in before the end of the year...as it were.
You have a gambling loot box system which gives you a "peek-a-boo" outfit, not the actual outfit but the ability to see less of the outfit on women's avatars. Did I say this was just for women's avatar's? I guess that just sort of slipped out.
We can call this surprise mechanic P2P (Pay-to-Perv) and I think the games gals would really be surprised when they find out, surprisingly furious in fact.
Joking aside, there is somebody working for a MMO somewhere right now who is trying to see how much more they can wring out of us with the latest abusive cash shop practice in time for Xmas, happy holidays everyone.
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What I'm saying is that a big, beefy, barbarian dwarf wearing a hot pink butt floss thong with flapping ass cheeks would be aesthetically pleasing to virtually no one, to such extent the vast majority would be driven away.
Now, if that was replaced with a mighty muscled barbarian with a physique more in line with Conan adorned in a strategically placed loincloth of disputable modesty that could be attractive to some.
Men as well as women all sexualized in a great deal of fantasy artwork, but very little of either are depicted with an unflattering form or manner, at least to the extent you describe. Instead the are presented as more Adonis or Aphrodite, or perhaps Mars and Artemis when they want take a more subtle approach.
Either, neither, or both, depending on the mind of the beholder.
Why would or should I embrace the sexualization of something I have no sexual interest in? What would possibly be the point? It is an absurd expectation.
It is equally absurd to expect me to endure such as well. Why would I continue to watch, listen to, or read something I dislike, find distasteful, or worse.
Neither are reasonable or logical behaviour so shouldn't be expected.
It's one issue I have with the upcoming game Prey for the Gods. The avatar has no hat and no sleeves but they did an amazing job of creating a "freezing" environment.
It seems so cold that showing skin is immersion breaking.
I would also avoid the stereotype of "women prefer romance stories." There are plenty of women who enjoy looking at good looking people in various states of dress and undress.
They might not be as visual as men but even my experience going to the movies with a female friend only to have her suck in her breath when Jeremy Northam walked on screen told me what i needed to know about women and seeing good looking people.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
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Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
I would think that a nude or partially clad character who is asexual will look the same as someone who considers themselves male or female.
How one identifies isn't going to change the body significantly unless someone with more experience in this area can chime in.
And if the player wants a more androgynous looking character or one that looks more male or more female, that's very easily done.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Yup.. right down that path.. 100%.
But I'm fair like that. If Pamela can be fetishized, so can Arnold or Leonardo. I'm fine with that.
That is a more general topic and context than the comparative sexulization of genders though, making your question at least somewhat of an attempt at redirect.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
The funniest part was he criticized one of our older female friend and her husband who refused to watch Sense 8 because of the gay sex scenes. I thought how hypocritical of him considering he was exactly like them before.
My husband was brought up a Roman Catholic but he no longer goes to church or is a practicing Christian but it goes to show how people can change with exposure. Opinions change and things people once thought were not something they can watch becomes acceptable. I think male nudity in games is like that.
In fact, the only reason why they are not gray squares, is because people like those cosmetics, they are something they enjoy looking at, And since the difference is purely cosmetic, there is no reason not to treat male and female avatars in a game, the same.
Well, other than realism because the difference in genders is not simply cosmetic, but nobody wants that truth to be acknowledged.
Or is it more nobody could deliver that in a game without being crucified because many prefer to pretend these differences don't exist.
It's not all that horrible a pretense with gaming largely being escapist entertainment, especially in the case of MMORPGs, but it undermines any attempt at simulation of low magic and low technology settings which is my main annoyance with it.
I think these two adverts that came up on mmorpg.com while I was typing this illustrate the point. You can see the first picture highlights what is most attractive/distinctive about the female form: the deep neck line that shows more than a hint of breast, the flash of thigh threatening to reveal more, and the long slender arms ending in elegant, elongated fingers. The second picture focuses on the beauty of the males form: hard lines, chiseled abs, bulging biceps with enormous veins snaking down to thick powerful hands.
Both photos are sexualizing the human form, but they focus on different areas precisely because of the biological differences inherent to each sex.
However, do not be dismayed for I believe there is hope for you yet @Ungood. Surely as more and more people come to appreciate the extreme beauty of the male bottom we will eventually get to see some booty-revealing male armors as well
But really, it's like guys are covered head to toe, every inch with armor, and women are expected to go into combat covered with 3 postage stamps and a pair of high heels.
In fact there is nothing.. nothing at all realistic about Sexualized Body Armor. End of Discussion.
You're not the only one capable of shifting gears in the middle of a conversation. This was my redirect into a broader context.
Aesthetics isn't the only difference between genders. Their is a general disparity in strength that should be quite relevant in low magic, low technology settings that is routinely ignored. There is also a general disparity in size that could also be quite relevant, which is again routinely ignored.
You have a gambling loot box system which gives you a "peek-a-boo" outfit, not the actual outfit but the ability to see less of the outfit on women's avatars. Did I say this was just for women's avatar's? I guess that just sort of slipped out.
We can call this surprise mechanic P2P (Pay-to-Perv) and I think the games gals would really be surprised when they find out, surprisingly furious in fact.
Joking aside, there is somebody working for a MMO somewhere right now who is trying to see how much more they can wring out of us with the latest abusive cash shop practice in time for Xmas, happy holidays everyone.