But I suppose I am different than you are, as I also won't just trade in my car because it's old, as long as it's running well, I have no reason not to keep driving it, my bang around Jeep just turned 29 this year, and I have a newer jeep, as I like jeeps, but I have no reason to give up my old one as it's running great, some of my friends feel that they need to trade in their jeep every 3 years to keep current and for status and what not, but that is not how I roll.
I don't see the problem an MMO lasting 20 years, or players playing the same MMO for 8 years, or 12 years, like or whatever, in fact that is the whole point IMHO of making a virtual world, or staying with the MMO they like right to the bitter end. Because that is what a world feels like.. you enjoy being in it.
Your car analogy is way off base. I see a car as a tool, not an experience, maybe the first time is an experience but after that its not. Where you go with the car is more appropriate. So lets say your favorite spot to visit is a lake or something, how many times every single day can you visit and still enjoy it the same? 10 days in a row? 100? 1000? 10000? 100000? There is a point where your enjoyment diminishes greatly doing the same things day in day out.
My family travels all around the world. However some vacations we like stay near home and jet ski. We do that a few times a year. I couldn't imagine doing that 365 days a year for 10 years. I would be bored within a few weeks.
You obviously like repetitive tasks more than I do, which is why you can last longer in a game doing the exact same content everyday.
No, he's not wrong, it's an experience.
Well, if you have the right car. You seem to view things solely from your vantage point. If you don't value a car as an experience that's fine, but why assume others are the same?
As far as your jet ski example, I will assume that you know there are people who LOVE water sports, jet skiing, parasailing, surfing and swimming.
As far as one's enjoyment diminishing by doing the same thing day in and day out, that really depends on what you get from it.
I used to practice 4 to 6 hours per day when I was in school. Now, "sure" there were days I wasn't in the mood to practice but for years I did it and it was, over all, a very enjoyable experience.
Of course there is a sort of "end game" with that type of activity.
But still, being able to solve things and see one's growth was very enjoyable. I suspect people who take part in repetitive tasks and like it are enjoying it on an access that you just don't appreciate. Which, of course is fine. Different strokes.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
Wait did some poster way up above try and use Wow as an example of being quality games just because it has a lot of subs?...ROFLMAO
You do realize that Farmville once had more players than ANY game on the internet,are you goign to tell me Farmville was the best game of ALL TIME?
Numbers don't mean SQUAT.You want to convince me of something use facts or solid knowledgable analysis of game design,not numbers.
Last 48 hours Rust was the number 1 game on twitch and number 2 was some other half assd game,made tha tway because of streamers and drops and NOT because the yare the best two games on the planet.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
By the way, am I right in thinking that the only ones that have an issue with a lack of old-school games are EQ (and maybe also SWG pre-NGE) players?
No, I never really played those. I played Lineage 2.
I do prefer more "world" than game and less quests and more "you figure out what you want to do."
Also you are correct, numbers can be "facts" and if World of Warcraft has a lot of people playing then I suspect they think it's some sort of quality game or at least offers a novel experience or enjoyable experience for them.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
As far as one's enjoyment diminishing by doing the same thing day in and day out, that really depends on what you get from it.
I used to practice 4 to 6 hours per day when I was in school. Now, "sure" there were days I wasn't in the mood to practice but for years I did it and it was, over all, a very enjoyable experience.
Of course there is a sort of "end game" with that type of activity.
But still, being able to solve things and see one's growth was very enjoyable. I suspect people who take part in repetitive tasks and like it are enjoying it on an access that you just don't appreciate. Which, of course is fine. Different strokes.
I think your sort of right here. These people who like doing repetitive things forever are very sought after by the MMO companies. They are easy to please because once they find something they like they will keep that up forever. Its hard to change them actually.
I had a family member that always eats at only a couple of restaurants and the same exact dishes. Cant get them to try anything else. Food is plain as can be, but they are happy. Week in and week out they go here everyday for lunch or dinner.
I can see why games like Wow love these types of people.
I don't agree that they are the majority like some have said. But I do agree they are a large percentage.
The problem is MMO's are all competing for this type of player right now. They are forgetting the people that want a variety, and like the spice of life.
Must be nice being able to consume the same garbage everyday and still be happy.
But you are starting to paint yourself into a minority that wants things exactly their way and that may never get it - regardless of having had that in the past. This does not mean that there is something wrong with the genre or it is dying. It just means that it changed, adapted to the majority's tastes and left you behind.
Guilty as charged. Luckily, my corner I've painted myself into is right under a window. That window leads to so many other hobbies (time consumers) besides MMORPGs, I feel zero "need" to play MMOs
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
Numbers don't mean SQUAT.You want to convince me of something use facts or solid knowledgable analysis of game design,not numbers.
Numbers are facts.
Yet "good/bad" or "best/worst" are not, yes?
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
By the way, am I right in thinking that the only ones that have an issue with a lack of old-school games are EQ (and maybe also SWG pre-NGE) players?
I did play EQ, but don't want much of what EQ offered again. I want a worldf to play in. EQ had so much in Norrath that kept me logging day in and day out and thought about it while at work. There is no MMORPG today that captures me like that now.
Factions, different starting areas for almost every race (that actually differed from one another), languages to be learned, or even just getting lost and asking for help while NOT getting a "Google it!" reply. All this in one MMORPG
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
Nope, these are vague subjective opinions! Unless the context is factual enough to give them meaning
Heeeeey, I see what you did there. Just now. Took me a while! Well played.
I said "Game A" is good (vague, subjective), but I also explicitly gave my criteria, which are factual: "Good reviews, critically acclaimed, economically viable".
You could argue that "good" for someone else means "large player base, popular" and that this is equally valid. But then why not use a more suitable and explicit word (popular vs niche)?
And the wonders of the Internet make it so "almost" any numbers can be found to support a "fact."
I giggle a lot when watching the NFL. Their numbers are all over the place, just to make some player or team "look good." It's almost as bad as "This player has the most yards for players since 2018 on Monday nights." Sounds cool, doesn't it? But really means nothing much
I admit that I look "numbers as facts" a bit askance
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
And the wonders of the Internet make it so "almost" any numbers can be found to support a "fact."
I giggle a lot when watching the NFL. Their numbers are all over the place, just to make some player or team "look good." It's almost as bad as "This player has the most yards for players since 2018 on Monday nights." Sounds cool, doesn't it? But really means nothing much
I admit that I look "numbers as facts" a bit askance
The problem is that while dry numbers are indeed facts by themselves, the interpretation that comes with them to satisfy a particular agenda is not.
Yet raw numbers "with a slant" are factual to that slant. They may not be accurately used for the topic at hand, but factual nonetheless
I enjoy "flipping numbers" in some debates that usually illustrate the absurdity of the claim. This is more often than not represented by percentages
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
Numbers don't mean SQUAT.You want to convince me of something use facts or solid knowledgable analysis of game design,not numbers.
Numbers are facts.
Numbers are also numbers and subject to statistical manipulation. Quoting Mark Twain, "There's liars, damned liars and statisticians". Do with that what you will.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
By the way, am I right in thinking that the only ones that have an issue with a lack of old-school games are EQ (and maybe also SWG pre-NGE) players?
From my own sampling, and yah.. my own sampling, yours might vary, but, I would wager most of them come from WoW, early years , like, 2004 - 2008, demographic, those that were there during the huge rise in WoW's player base, where the population exploded from being the select few gamers, that small network of geeks and nerds, and launched right into Mainstream media.
And I really think they can't get over it.
Which is why WoW Classic was such a hit, for such a short time, and as opposed to these players realizing that the problem was that they were looking at things through rose colored glasses, and that they need to get over themselves, they instead blamed Blizzard for not being faithful to vanilla, or some such horseshit.
But the reality is, Modern MMO's are really good stuff, for what they are, and what they offer, and a lot of the old school games are also really super fun, case in point, I play DDO (2006) and GW2 (2012), and while they are both MMO's they are such vastly different games it's not even funny. No Joke, I have to mentally prep myself to face what they will bring when swap between them because they are so vastly different in mechanics and the way they work.
But I think what most people miss from the old days, is that smaller network, that feeling of knowing the people around you, and growing with the game.
That is my theory as to why people like Brainy can't return to games like WoW, because they are so far behind and just a faceless shadow of nothing in the vastness that is what WoW is today, But they long for that time when they weren't.
This is why they are looking for something new, something that they can be 1st day in and not some invisible face, but known, and they will only find that in small indie MMO's, so they rage against the larger ones, the ones that make them feel insignificant, the ones that they can't be glorified in.
That was why all these WoW refuges and rejects came to GW2 and begged for Raids, to give them something to brag about, but that failed, as, even after Anet succumbed to their demands, the Raids didn't give them that feeling of being 1st day, of being Gods among Mortals, that they longed for. The meta gamers and gold farmers jumped on that dollar sign ride day 1 and were selling raids so fast that anyone with coin enough could have their legendary before any of the other so called hardcore players could dream of.
Anyway, that is my theory at least. It's not that modern MMO's are bad, or that old ones were better, I think it's just people missing a time when they could seek and find validation in their gaming, and that does not exist in a lot of modern MMO's which is why they are al rage that the modern games suck.
I also think, so many want PvP in their MMO's, some means to prove their value and worth, like they at one time could, but also are against fair PvP.. for obvious reasons.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
Keep looking.. you might find that one game that sweeps you off your feet in a way you never expected..
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
That is my theory as to why people like Brainy can't return to games like WoW, because they are so far behind and just a faceless shadow of nothing in the vastness that is what WoW is today, But they long for that time when they weren't.
This is why they are looking for something new, something that they can be 1st day in and not some invisible face, but known, and they will only find that in small indie MMO's, so they rage against the larger ones, the ones that make them feel insignificant, the ones that they can't be glorified in.
I think there is a tiny bit of truth to the part where I like to not be a faceless shadow, but your reasoning is not correct. First no matter what game I play, I am a hardcore gamer, I focus on 1 game and am ALWAYS at the top of the leaderboards quickly. Whether its UO, DAOC, WOW, ESO, or WOW classic, I'm at the top, its not even a problem at all for me. I like leading server first guilds, I like the challenge of strategizing difficult content for the first time. I also like difficult content because it usually forces people to work together in synergy to beat it.
I like how ESO would release new dungeons in an expansion, and trying to get those skins before there were guides out on how to beat them was fun. Now ESO dungeons are all on EZ mode. Either way an occasional yearly release of a new dungeon is not enough to keep me interested.
So yeah I like games when they first come out, and when the challenge is at its peak. I rarely last more than a year in 1 game, although for that time I am hardcore.
I don't like gankfest games anymore. Although I was very active in PVP years ago.
Any new PVE MMO games now, pretty much are so EZ I can beat them sleeping. I like areas that require skill, and not just time /played.
That is my theory as to why people like Brainy can't return to games like WoW, because they are so far behind and just a faceless shadow of nothing in the vastness that is what WoW is today, But they long for that time when they weren't.
This is why they are looking for something new, something that they can be 1st day in and not some invisible face, but known, and they will only find that in small indie MMO's, so they rage against the larger ones, the ones that make them feel insignificant, the ones that they can't be glorified in.
I think there is a tiny bit of truth to the part where I like to not be a faceless shadow, but your reasoning is not correct. First no matter what game I play, I am a hardcore gamer, I focus on 1 game and am ALWAYS at the top of the leaderboards quickly. Whether its UO, DAOC, WOW, ESO, or WOW classic, I'm at the top, its not even a problem at all for me. I like leading server first guilds, I like the challenge of strategizing difficult content for the first time. I also like difficult content because it usually forces people to work together in synergy to beat it.
I like how ESO would release new dungeons in an expansion, and trying to get those skins before there were guides out on how to beat them was fun. Now ESO dungeons are all on EZ mode. Either way an occasional yearly release of a new dungeon is not enough to keep me interested.
So yeah I like games when they first come out, and when the challenge is at its peak. I rarely last more than a year in 1 game, although for that time I am hardcore.
I don't like gankfest games anymore. Although I was very active in PVP years ago.
Any new PVE MMO games now, pretty much are so EZ I can beat them sleeping. I like areas that require skill, and not just time /played.
Yeah, I've been harping on PVE is super easy in MMORPG games.
Per your comments, sometimes when games are first released or new content, people struggle to find the strat to beat a raid... but also find a loophole/exploit. Double edged.
Just one, of many examples, I think it was on a dragon(Vistrix) 24 man raid in early launch of Age of Conan, a simple Conquer (a tank class) shield deflection skill that sends some damage back... insta killed the boss... that sucked (till it was patched).
If you're top of the leaderboards, try a new genre... mmorpgs aren't necessarily competitive. I do enjoy Warhammer Reckoning, because PvP RvR is the best unpredictable AI. I also enjoy FPS, RTS, and Hearts... grandmas in Hearts flame me when I make a bone-headed move.... especially if someone shoots the moon because of it.
How dare me have fun in UO for 24 years going now ......
I really want to know what you do on a typical day in UO lol, like, what have you spent 24 years doing!?
Hmm so much to do .. tonite im looking for undiscovered constellations ( maybe find one and get to name another )
Cross breeding some plants , There may be a live event tonite so .. chilling a bit till then
There should be some kind of award or medal for this. 24 years in that game is beyond belief.
Ya know . i just still enjoy it , have some great friends and still lots to do .. I log into UO 3-5 times a week ..
Tommorrow i will be working on my Cooking before football still trying to GM that skill its a lotta work , but ive managed to put aside enough BODs to give it a good push ..
That is my theory as to why people like Brainy can't return to games like WoW, because they are so far behind and just a faceless shadow of nothing in the vastness that is what WoW is today, But they long for that time when they weren't.
This is why they are looking for something new, something that they can be 1st day in and not some invisible face, but known, and they will only find that in small indie MMO's, so they rage against the larger ones, the ones that make them feel insignificant, the ones that they can't be glorified in.
I think there is a tiny bit of truth to the part where I like to not be a faceless shadow, but your reasoning is not correct. First no matter what game I play, I am a hardcore gamer, I focus on 1 game and am ALWAYS at the top of the leaderboards quickly. Whether its UO, DAOC, WOW, ESO, or WOW classic, I'm at the top, its not even a problem at all for me. I like leading server first guilds, I like the challenge of strategizing difficult content for the first time. I also like difficult content because it usually forces people to work together in synergy to beat it.
I like how ESO would release new dungeons in an expansion, and trying to get those skins before there were guides out on how to beat them was fun. Now ESO dungeons are all on EZ mode. Either way an occasional yearly release of a new dungeon is not enough to keep me interested.
So yeah I like games when they first come out, and when the challenge is at its peak. I rarely last more than a year in 1 game, although for that time I am hardcore.
I don't like gankfest games anymore. Although I was very active in PVP years ago.
Any new PVE MMO games now, pretty much are so EZ I can beat them sleeping. I like areas that require skill, and not just time /played.
Um... Exactly how were you at the "top" of WoW? Were you in a world first guild? Were you in nihilum / method / limit? What about DAOC? Were you in Dizzy/Banda on Mordred or Brute Force/Epilogue on Lamorak, or perhaps in any one of the blue shards top guilds like Wrath/Bedlam/Insurrection etc?
You say you love skill based pvp and now days pvp games are faceroll... What are you ranked in DoTA? Or League of Legends? I assure you those pvp games are not faceroll.
Sorry, you were the first post above me I saw and I'm a little taken back by someone claiming they were the top of every mmo and now days too, you must be someone famous.
Look I'm not saying I'm the G.O.A.T. Generally I am in the top 1%-5% of most games I play. I am not saying every game I play I do that, because sometimes I quit because I don't like it. But its not hard to get to the top tier.
Back in the Day I was ranked in top 10 USA in an RTS. I have lead a Server First Guild in WoW 2004-2005. ESO our guild was ranked high on Leaderboards DAOC I was a top PVPer competitor
These are a few, yeah I have done some things. I am not saying I was the best, I am just saying I like hard content, and that I used to go Hardcore into games. I didn't say I was World First in WOW.
Plus I didn't say PVP was faceroll. I said I don't like gankfest games anymore.
What's your point, why you calling me out for being hardcore? You think its not possible to be in top tier of multiple games over 25 years?
Plus you act like Limit is gods or something LOL. I could be on those teams if I wanted to commit the time to it. Sometimes I get caught up and start drifting that way, but I have to pull myself back. I have a company to run, its not good or fun to push myself that far actually. Its a huge time commitment.
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
How dare me have fun in UO for 24 years going now ......
I really want to know what you do on a typical day in UO lol, like, what have you spent 24 years doing!?
Hmm so much to do .. tonite im looking for undiscovered constellations ( maybe find one and get to name another )
Cross breeding some plants , There may be a live event tonite so .. chilling a bit till then
When did they add constellations? UO had so much to do away from the typical hack and slash, and added a lot over the years. How's the population on any given night? Last I saw, it was pretty slow except on event nights when lots of people would show up to try to get the semi-rare drops and whatnot.
How dare me have fun in UO for 24 years going now ......
I really want to know what you do on a typical day in UO lol, like, what have you spent 24 years doing!?
Hmm so much to do .. tonite im looking for undiscovered constellations ( maybe find one and get to name another )
Cross breeding some plants , There may be a live event tonite so .. chilling a bit till then
When did they add constellations? UO had so much to do away from the typical hack and slash, and added a lot over the years. How's the population on any given night? Last I saw, it was pretty slow except on event nights when lots of people would show up to try to get the semi-rare drops and whatnot.
It reminds me of the old school MUDs, like Gemstone IV. Very deep,. rich games, that you could play forever, covered in a shit-cake called Open world PvP.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
How dare me have fun in UO for 24 years going now ......
I really want to know what you do on a typical day in UO lol, like, what have you spent 24 years doing!?
Hmm so much to do .. tonite im looking for undiscovered constellations ( maybe find one and get to name another )
Cross breeding some plants , There may be a live event tonite so .. chilling a bit till then
When did they add constellations? UO had so much to do away from the typical hack and slash, and added a lot over the years. How's the population on any given night? Last I saw, it was pretty slow except on event nights when lots of people would show up to try to get the semi-rare drops and whatnot.
Constellations came with the 21st Anniversarry .. Still lots undiscovered , it actually depends on time of year/time of day and looking in the right spot .. Nice chill activity when hanging out in your house ..
Ive been on Atlantic since 97 the pop there is still strong and real estate still in demand ..
Always great events going on .. Tears of the Ice Dragon just eneded ..
Im actually pretty hyped to jump on the New Legacy servers this year also .. looks to be good
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You do realize that Farmville once had more players than ANY game on the internet,are you goign to tell me Farmville was the best game of ALL TIME?
Numbers don't mean SQUAT.You want to convince me of something use facts or solid knowledgable analysis of game design,not numbers.
Last 48 hours Rust was the number 1 game on twitch and number 2 was some other half assd game,made tha tway because of streamers and drops and NOT because the yare the best two games on the planet.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
I think your sort of right here. These people who like doing repetitive things forever are very sought after by the MMO companies. They are easy to please because once they find something they like they will keep that up forever. Its hard to change them actually.
I had a family member that always eats at only a couple of restaurants and the same exact dishes. Cant get them to try anything else. Food is plain as can be, but they are happy. Week in and week out they go here everyday for lunch or dinner.
I can see why games like Wow love these types of people.
I don't agree that they are the majority like some have said. But I do agree they are a large percentage.
The problem is MMO's are all competing for this type of player right now. They are forgetting the people that want a variety, and like the spice of life.
Must be nice being able to consume the same garbage everyday and still be happy.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
Factions, different starting areas for almost every race (that actually differed from one another), languages to be learned, or even just getting lost and asking for help while NOT getting a "Google it!" reply. All this in one MMORPG
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
I giggle a lot when watching the NFL. Their numbers are all over the place, just to make some player or team "look good." It's almost as bad as "This player has the most yards for players since 2018 on Monday nights." Sounds cool, doesn't it? But really means nothing much
I admit that I look "numbers as facts" a bit askance
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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I enjoy "flipping numbers" in some debates that usually illustrate the absurdity of the claim. This is more often than not represented by percentages
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
Maybe another one will sweep me off my feet.
And I really think they can't get over it.
Which is why WoW Classic was such a hit, for such a short time, and as opposed to these players realizing that the problem was that they were looking at things through rose colored glasses, and that they need to get over themselves, they instead blamed Blizzard for not being faithful to vanilla, or some such horseshit.
But the reality is, Modern MMO's are really good stuff, for what they are, and what they offer, and a lot of the old school games are also really super fun, case in point, I play DDO (2006) and GW2 (2012), and while they are both MMO's they are such vastly different games it's not even funny. No Joke, I have to mentally prep myself to face what they will bring when swap between them because they are so vastly different in mechanics and the way they work.
But I think what most people miss from the old days, is that smaller network, that feeling of knowing the people around you, and growing with the game.
That is my theory as to why people like Brainy can't return to games like WoW, because they are so far behind and just a faceless shadow of nothing in the vastness that is what WoW is today, But they long for that time when they weren't.
This is why they are looking for something new, something that they can be 1st day in and not some invisible face, but known, and they will only find that in small indie MMO's, so they rage against the larger ones, the ones that make them feel insignificant, the ones that they can't be glorified in.
That was why all these WoW refuges and rejects came to GW2 and begged for Raids, to give them something to brag about, but that failed, as, even after Anet succumbed to their demands, the Raids didn't give them that feeling of being 1st day, of being Gods among Mortals, that they longed for. The meta gamers and gold farmers jumped on that dollar sign ride day 1 and were selling raids so fast that anyone with coin enough could have their legendary before any of the other so called hardcore players could dream of.
Anyway, that is my theory at least. It's not that modern MMO's are bad, or that old ones were better, I think it's just people missing a time when they could seek and find validation in their gaming, and that does not exist in a lot of modern MMO's which is why they are al rage that the modern games suck.
I also think, so many want PvP in their MMO's, some means to prove their value and worth, like they at one time could, but also are against fair PvP.. for obvious reasons.
I like how ESO would release new dungeons in an expansion, and trying to get those skins before there were guides out on how to beat them was fun. Now ESO dungeons are all on EZ mode. Either way an occasional yearly release of a new dungeon is not enough to keep me interested.
So yeah I like games when they first come out, and when the challenge is at its peak. I rarely last more than a year in 1 game, although for that time I am hardcore.
I don't like gankfest games anymore. Although I was very active in PVP years ago.
Any new PVE MMO games now, pretty much are so EZ I can beat them sleeping. I like areas that require skill, and not just time /played.
Per your comments, sometimes when games are first released or new content, people struggle to find the strat to beat a raid... but also find a loophole/exploit. Double edged.
Just one, of many examples, I think it was on a dragon(Vistrix) 24 man raid in early launch of Age of Conan, a simple Conquer (a tank class) shield deflection skill that sends some damage back... insta killed the boss... that sucked (till it was patched).
If you're top of the leaderboards, try a new genre... mmorpgs aren't necessarily competitive. I do enjoy Warhammer Reckoning, because PvP RvR is the best unpredictable AI. I also enjoy FPS, RTS, and Hearts... grandmas in Hearts flame me when I make a bone-headed move.... especially if someone shoots the moon because of it.
There should be some kind of award or medal for this. 24 years in that game is beyond belief.
Look I'm not saying I'm the G.O.A.T. Generally I am in the top 1%-5% of most games I play. I am not saying every game I play I do that, because sometimes I quit because I don't like it. But its not hard to get to the top tier.
Back in the Day I was ranked in top 10 USA in an RTS.
I have lead a Server First Guild in WoW 2004-2005.
ESO our guild was ranked high on Leaderboards
DAOC I was a top PVPer competitor
These are a few, yeah I have done some things. I am not saying I was the best, I am just saying I like hard content, and that I used to go Hardcore into games. I didn't say I was World First in WOW.
Plus I didn't say PVP was faceroll. I said I don't like gankfest games anymore.
What's your point, why you calling me out for being hardcore? You think its not possible to be in top tier of multiple games over 25 years?
Plus you act like Limit is gods or something LOL. I could be on those teams if I wanted to commit the time to it. Sometimes I get caught up and start drifting that way, but I have to pull myself back. I have a company to run, its not good or fun to push myself that far actually. Its a huge time commitment.
I don't have any
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
UO had so much to do away from the typical hack and slash, and added a lot over the years.
How's the population on any given night? Last I saw, it was pretty slow except on event nights when lots of people would show up to try to get the semi-rare drops and whatnot.
Once upon a time....