LA in my opinion should sever their ties now with SOE, find someone else to partner up with and anounce a completely different MMO in the works, at least if they want to stay in the MMO race. Unless you are a game player oblivious to the news of SWG for at least the last year, and especially as of late, then you are not going to buy this game.
And this time I would say to think out the incorporation of Jedi (or even melee classes in general) a little bit more.
Originally posted by Elnator So there is now a 40 CL gap that they are going to have to fill 'on the fly'.
Although not unexpected, but that's amazing.
If this is true, that has to be one of the largest blunders in game design I've seen. Sure SOE/LA came out with what they thought would save the game, but once you reach CL30 you're boned and the game is basically unplayable.
I'm sure the devs will create a patch, but you'd think that some genius would've caught that issue before release.
The more I think about the NGE and read it's current problems, I'm becoming more amazed that there's a free trial.
While I'm a big supporter of the NGE and hate all the whining that's going on about it right now; I do agree the NGE should have went through extensive testing on the test servers till every flaw and bug was worked out. I'll never say SOE is a good company to run SWG or develop it any further, but I will say I support the idea of having a fun Star Wars MMO. As of right now my only choice is SWG and I like it with the NGE. I do wish that LA would give the contract to some other game developing company.
Originally posted by Elnator So there is now a 40 CL gap that they are going to have to fill 'on the fly'.
Although not unexpected, but that's amazing.
If this is true, that has to be one of the largest blunders in game design I've seen. Sure SOE/LA came out with what they thought would save the game, but once you reach CL30 you're boned and the game is basically unplayable.
I'm sure the devs will create a patch, but you'd think that some genius would've caught that issue before release.
I more I think about the NGE and read it's current problems, I'm becoming more amazed that there's a free trial.
Free trial doesn't let you off the space station. So the real problems with the game will not be apparent to the unsuspecting buyer. If all I had to go on was the Free Trial as someone who's never played SWG I would be excited about this game and go out and buy it.
For NEW players there's probably enough growing room that SOE can get content in to fill the gaps. For EXISTING players SOE is giving them the finger and saying "tough, we'll get that content in as soon as we can, get over it".
The majority of pre-NGE veterans were CL80 so SOE had them covered with the ToOW expansion and they had the new up and coming player base covered with the 1-30 quests in the NGE. So this game is good in its current state unless you are a powergamer that goes through several levels a day; in that case SOE won't have anything for those players till another patch down the road. In my opinion I think this is fine because the powergamers really should get a life outside this game. This game is now geared towards casual gamers when it was geared mostly to your hardcore gamer crowd.
Originally posted by DarkJace I for one, have been with SWG for a little over 2 years now. I've stuck with this game no matter what, the main reason being I'm a hardcore Star Wars fan. This NGE however, I can't like it. I've tried so hard to like it, to work around the really buggy spots (which are everyhere) and the horrible XP grind. But I just can't get past it. This NGE has killed the real character customization. I miss being able to be a fighter, crafter of healer...or all of them at the same time. Now, every lvl 90 BH is the same as the other, aside from the slightly different stats on their gear or weapons they might have.
Customization and real fun is gone, and with goes many of the old veterans such as myself. I remember everytime I complained about grinding Rifleman or Pistoleer or TKM, and now I want that grind back. It's not going to happen though, SOE has pretty much told their community to STFU and get over it. And with that, they've lost a lot of players.
That's the key though. You can have plenty of differences between characters through the gear you wear. So every character won't be the same. This is good and bad. It is bad because now the gamers will be geared towards getting the best gear.
Originally posted by crashtke Take a look around. How many other proffs do you really see? As for the kids, there are tons of em, in fact the only people left seem to be kids. The first couple days of the NGE yes servers were very populated. Since then every day there are less and less people on the servers. Of the 80+- people on my personal friends list I am now lucky to see one of them online. Previously there was always 10-15 on at any given time. Maybe your server is heavily populated with kids, I dunno. But as the days stretch on, there are less and less people on, less and less in the cantinas, less and less playing...the only people left are peope running around with their glowing swords ( I won't even call them lightsabres any more). On my server, shadowfire, there used to be a booming population The aduts have all left. There may be an influx of kids that are causing your "heavy population" or it may just be your server had a lot to start with, but I know of the adult players who were looking for more than a hack and slash, they are leaving and en mass.
I'm an adult and still play the game. Enough said with that argument. This game still appeals to all ages.
Originally posted by crashtke Take a look around. How many other proffs do you really see? As for the kids, there are tons of em, in fact the only people left seem to be kids. The first couple days of the NGE yes servers were very populated. Since then every day there are less and less people on the servers. Of the 80+- people on my personal friends list I am now lucky to see one of them online. Previously there was always 10-15 on at any given time. Maybe your server is heavily populated with kids, I dunno. But as the days stretch on, there are less and less people on, less and less in the cantinas, less and less playing...the only people left are peope running around with their glowing swords ( I won't even call them lightsabres any more). On my server, shadowfire, there used to be a booming population The aduts have all left. There may be an influx of kids that are causing your "heavy population" or it may just be your server had a lot to start with, but I know of the adult players who were looking for more than a hack and slash, they are leaving and en mass.
I'm an adult and still play the game. Enough said with that argument. This game still appeals to all ages.
You are completely right, one person definitely relates directly to the entire majority of a population. We should throw out all polls, voting and statistical analysis as none of it is relevant, just ask one person and you have the answer to every question.
Originally posted by crashtke Take a look around. How many other proffs do you really see? As for the kids, there are tons of em, in fact the only people left seem to be kids. The first couple days of the NGE yes servers were very populated. Since then every day there are less and less people on the servers. Of the 80+- people on my personal friends list I am now lucky to see one of them online. Previously there was always 10-15 on at any given time. Maybe your server is heavily populated with kids, I dunno. But as the days stretch on, there are less and less people on, less and less in the cantinas, less and less playing...the only people left are peope running around with their glowing swords ( I won't even call them lightsabres any more). On my server, shadowfire, there used to be a booming population The aduts have all left. There may be an influx of kids that are causing your "heavy population" or it may just be your server had a lot to start with, but I know of the adult players who were looking for more than a hack and slash, they are leaving and en mass.
I'm an adult and still play the game. Enough said with that argument. This game still appeals to all ages.
You are completely right, one person definitely relates directly to the entire majority of a population. We should throw out all polls, voting and statistical analysis as none of it is relevant, just ask one person and you have the answer to every question. Okay if you want to be a smart ass I'll humor you. Work up a poll that will include all the 100's of thousands of players of SWG and ask them what their age is and if they like the NGE and plan on staying. What I'm saying is; just because one person you decide that ONLY kids are staying doesn't make it fact. I am just an example that not only kids are staying behind. Do you want me to explain to you what "example" means too? It has been proven that the pissed off customers are the most vocal on the forums and that the "majority," since you like to use that word, does not make any comment either or on the subject. This means when making a post; unless you can back them up with hard evidence, you should not make claims involving the words; all, majority, most, none and etc. when referring to people that play this game. Ofcourse you would have learned this if you payed attention in school.
"I'm an adult and still play the game. Enough said with that argument. This game still appeals to all ages. "
Not going to even continue a pointless arguement with reasoning like this...
My observations are as good as yours, my opinion can be expressed the same as yours. From what I have noticed, all the adults I know are leaving. The people I have seen that are still staying are kids. That is my observation on my server. Last I checked, you have done no polling or collecting of statistical data to back up your "facts" either.
If you can prove to me that i am wrong with stats, shoot, I am anxious to see the data. I'll be waiting.
"I'm an adult and still play the game. Enough said with that argument. This game still appeals to all ages. "
Not going to even continue a pointless arguement with reasoning like this...
My observations are as good as yours, my opinion can be expressed the same as yours. From what I have noticed, all the adults I know are leaving. The people I have seen that are still staying are kids. That is my observation on my server. Last I checked, you have done no polling or collecting of statistical data to back up your "facts" either.
If you can prove to me that i am wrong with stats, shoot, I am anxious to see the data. I'll be waiting.
I haven't stated anything as being facts like you have. You never once said it was your opinion. I'm not doing your leg work either. Go on the forums and count how many bad posts there are, only one per account ofcourse and then your good ones, one per account and then compare those to the amount of people subscribed to SWG. Then you will have some facts to post about. I don't need to do this because I'm not spouting off about most the gamers being kids or most of them being adults. All I'm saying is you honestly don't know how many are adults playing nor do you know if they are kids unless you ask every single one of them. I haven't been making observations while in game on whether or not the people I run across are kids or adults. Why would I. I'll give you credit that you might know who are kids and who aren't out of your guild or friends list, but there's really no way of knowing if all those other people making the server say heavy are kids or adults.
Your right you can say whatever you want on these forums, but no one will take you seriously when you make bold statements like that without showing proof of it. You wouldn't be posting on the forums if you didn't have something you wanted everyone to hear. So why not make the best of the audience you have and post something that is accurate so people will listen to what you have to say and not flame you for being an ass.
Very interesting comments by many people in this thread. The game really was intended for a start over I think as most poeple who relate the NGE to their existing toons are very dissapointed, and most people who started afresh with the NGE are having fun.
All I care about is the fun factor, and it's frockin super fun. Also I love star wars
Originally posted by anarchyart Very interesting comments by many people in this thread. The game really was intended for a start over I think as most poeple who relate the NGE to their existing toons are very dissapointed, and most people who started afresh with the NGE are having fun. All I care about is the fun factor, and it's frockin super fun. Also I love star wars
I see you are a 30 yr old male. I thought all the adults were leaving the game. Well it must be you and I left out of the adults who play SWG. We should meet up sometime.
I know how to run a poll and do statistics and the attempt to tell me how is not necessary. I have a degree in statistics and sociology from the University of Georgia. Even if i were to do a poll on this board it would not be statistically relevant as it would just reach the audience that is currently on these forums which is probably not a true representation of the populous of SWG.
These observations are from talking to others that are existing characters from a variety of guilds on my server; both imperial as well as rebel. This also stems from the number of emails I have recieved in game from other players saying that they were canceling their subscription to SWG. The logic of "I like it and I am an adult so it must appeal to all adults" just does not fly ith me and goes against what I have seen. You seem to be the only one flaming this opinion. The personal attacks are laughable at best, but rather drab and unimaginative. But once again, you fail to bring any data to the table or support your arguement in any way other than to say that because you like it, you are a representation of the entire poppulation and the majority of adults like it.
The point is they geared the game more towards those that want more immediate constant action and have less of an attention span. This general audience tends to be younger people. I agree with the statement of Anarchart in that most people who are already players are disappointed. Those that are looking at it fresh do not know what they are missing. My personal opinion is that it is the beginning of the end of the game. I know that I am now looking for another game to replace it. Many other people that I knew in game and that are co-workers in real life are now doing the same. The devs have killed what people spent time working towards and made it just another character class and gave no "elite" class to work towards. This leaves a void in the game that maybe they will address at some point, but at this time takes away from the gaming experience.
I've been playing or a few days now and I mostly like it. Tried it a few months ago and was totally turned off by the system (and I've been mmog'ing since UO) and even though I had over 30 friends running a player town the game just seemed to be one of the most poorly designed things I had ever seen (and I lived through the early days of Anarchy Online). I'm sure this changeover was a real kick in the teeth to the vets but I imagine the powers that be needed income and long term prospects over pleasing a small dedicated bunch of players.
The game had no Star Wars feel to it. Cantina's were macroing havens and vets (when you saw one) tended to pass you by like so much chaff under their toes. And then came nge and it was a bold move but it is most certainly a mish mash of styles but at least it has a chance to appeal to more than than it once did. I just hope they keep it up and continue to refine their idea. You can assume they just wanted the kiddie crowd frow wow (a thing that doesn't really exist but sounds good when you insult the game..all my old friends are in wow save me). And the entire enterprise may come crashing down one day as may most games going today (ala earth and beyond..a game I cursed but miss now that it's gone). Only time will tell.
But whatever they did, they got my vote; at least for now. And I'm about 2 generations away from being a kid. And nothng being produced today has much to offer anyone unless you like pretty graphics, quick success or an high end game you can can power your way to. At least Star Wars has the world itself and if they can keep going it might actually become the real game it was meant to be.
I have to say I was somewhat turned off by the previous combat system and actually liked the system that the game started with. I find this current interface to be poor. It could be I am just a creature of habit. I still feel that they took something out of the game that needs to be filled though. There seems to be little to work towards now. And even on this site, it has fallen from a consistant top 5 down to below the top 20. That in and of itself says something.
Originally posted by anarchyart Very interesting comments by many people in this thread. The game really was intended for a start over I think as most poeple who relate the NGE to their existing toons are very dissapointed, and most people who started afresh with the NGE are having fun. All I care about is the fun factor, and it's frockin super fun. Also I love star wars
I see you are a 30 yr old male. I thought all the adults were leaving the game. Well it must be you and I left out of the adults who play SWG. We should meet up sometime.
I think it's all the pissy 21 year olds leaving the game because SOE stole their youth lol I play on Naritus server, name is Freelan and will be making a brand new toon when we get our second character slot. Going to make a Rebel Jedi because Luke Skywalker is my hero That's for all the Luke haters. Also I love the pictures for the classes from the movies. If they change them fine but I dig em.
Right now I'm working for Jabba again, can't seem to work my way out from that fat slug (I actually love it lol). I had honestly forgotten how much I love the Star Wars saga. Playing through the old game, while I only played for a total of about 3 months, I just didn't feel a part of the Star Wars universe. NGE changed all that and I'm grateful.
Again I sympathize with the vets, nothing can make it right what they did to you, nothing. If you can find it in your hearts to start over from scratch, I highly recommend it, its damn fun and I've played them all. If not I truly wish you luck and good fun in the next game you play.
Originally posted by crashtke I know how to run a poll and do statistics and the attempt to tell me how is not necessary. I have a degree in statistics and sociology from the University of Georgia. Even if i were to do a poll on this board it would not be statistically relevant as it would just reach the audience that is currently on these forums which is probably not a true representation of the populous of SWG. These observations are from talking to others that are existing characters from a variety of guilds on my server; both imperial as well as rebel. This also stems from the number of emails I have recieved in game from other players saying that they were canceling their subscription to SWG. The logic of "I like it and I am an adult so it must appeal to all adults" just does not fly ith me and goes against what I have seen. You seem to be the only one flaming this opinion. The personal attacks are laughable at best, but rather drab and unimaginative. But once again, you fail to bring any data to the table or support your arguement in any way other than to say that because you like it, you are a representation of the entire poppulation and the majority of adults like it. The point is they geared the game more towards those that want more immediate constant action and have less of an attention span. This general audience tends to be younger people. I agree with the statement of Anarchart in that most people who are already players are disappointed. Those that are looking at it fresh do not know what they are missing. My personal opinion is that it is the beginning of the end of the game. I know that I am now looking for another game to replace it. Many other people that I knew in game and that are co-workers in real life are now doing the same. The devs have killed what people spent time working towards and made it just another character class and gave no "elite" class to work towards. This leaves a void in the game that maybe they will address at some point, but at this time takes away from the gaming experience.
I never once said I represent the entire populace. Please show me where I said this. I didn't say the majority of adults are staying or leaving either. I leave those things to people opinions. What you said you said as fact. You never put "in my opinion" in your post. So, one only assumes your stating it as fact. So numerous emails and impressions from your friends are enough to account for 400k people playing? I don't think so. You totally made my point when I was telling you to conduct a pole. I know you would have to get every single subscriber to participate for it to be accurate, that's why I told you to do that before you try speaking for all adults in the game. You specifically said that all adults are leaving...my reply was simple. Obviously all the adults are not leaving since I am one and I am still here. Me still being here represents that your statement of, "all adults are leaving," is incorrect and that you should state that this is your opinion which you never stated in that post.
My point comes down to this. If you are coming on the forums to speak for many other people make sure you make the audience know that it's you opinion and not facts without appropriate evidence. You could say, "It's a fact that all my adult friends are leaving the game because it doesn't appeal to them anymore and that they think of it as a kids game," but you cannot say, "All my friends are leaving whom are adults which leaves only kids on this server and this must mean all adults are going to leave this game leaving SWG only populated by children." This is what I got from your original post.
Please find and qute exactly where I said all adults are leaving.
I am bowing out of this ridiculous debate. You win. Since you are an adult and you are still playing all adults are still playing. The marketing departments everywhere will be rejoicing as they will no longer need analysis of markets, they can simply come to you.
I am very far from being a kid (age wise anyway). I came to this website today to download Dark Ages of Camelot. I have played SWG exclusivly for the past 18 months or so.
I am leaving SWG for the following reasons in this order:
1) They do not respect their players.
2) Their customer service is a farce.
3) My friends are all leaving SWG.
4) It has always been full of bugs and this version keeps the tradition. They use us for QA.
5) The new combat system is tedious. Combat requires more clicking than it used to. If you like clicking alot then you will like it but I don't.
6) They deleted the combat log and other handy ui features.
Originally posted by anarchyart Very interesting comments by many people in this thread. The game really was intended for a start over I think as most poeple who relate the NGE to their existing toons are very dissapointed, and most people who started afresh with the NGE are having fun. All I care about is the fun factor, and it's frockin super fun. Also I love star wars
Nope dissagree again I started over with a fresh toon and hated it. They took a broad skill centered system and turned it into a narrow class oriented system.
Which for me kills the game.
And I'd hardly say that 'most' people who are starting over are enjoying it. I'd say *some*.
And I'm 38 so I'd have to say you're wrong about it being 21 year olds who are leaving, Anarchy.
The accurate answer is: Some people like it and are staying The majority of veteran players of all ages, however, are leaving. There are numerous polls up on non-SOE affiliated sites to back this statement up. SOE won't release numbers on it so we have to go by what's available. What's available is showing a mass exodus by vets.
As to whether it's fun? That's personal opinion.
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Originally posted by anarchyart Very interesting comments by many people in this thread. The game really was intended for a start over I think as most poeple who relate the NGE to their existing toons are very dissapointed, and most people who started afresh with the NGE are having fun. All I care about is the fun factor, and it's frockin super fun. Also I love star wars
Nope dissagree again I started over with a fresh toon and hated it. They took a broad skill centered system and turned it into a narrow class oriented system.
Which for me kills the game.
And I'd hardly say that 'most' people who are starting over are enjoying it. I'd say *some*.
And I'm 38 so I'd have to say you're wrong about it being 21 year olds who are leaving, Anarchy.
The accurate answer is: Some people like it and are staying The majority of veteran players of all ages, however, are leaving. There are numerous polls up on non-SOE affiliated sites to back this statement up. SOE won't release numbers on it so we have to go by what's available. What's available is showing a mass exodus by vets.
As to whether it's fun? That's personal opinion.
Well I feel that about sums our conversation up. We all have our opinions of the NGE. Some of us like it others hate. What we all agree on is that the NGE was not ready and should have been tested further. For all those I was arguing with, I hold no grudge. This was a debatable topic and things always get heated up with debates. If LA gets smart and gives the game to some other game developing company and you all return, I will see you then. I think it is fair to say this discussion is over and we all should find something else to talk about. Take care.
Originally posted by Squidi Originally posted by scatyricon it takes a hell of a lot of time and intellectual energy to become a succesful crafter.
Well... time at least...
If you are a veteran player who is looking forward to the changes then it's likely that you don't have a succesful crafter or jedi or any super elite loot/weapons...
You talk at great length about how everybody gets nerfed and loses everything they own - it's all about what YOU lose, huh? And if someone else doesn't have as much to lose, then they are less worthy of liking the game than you? That's just stupid. We all pay to play the game, and your $15 a month is just as valuable as my $15, so you need to realize that the universe doesn't revolve around you and either get over it or shut up and move on. It's been three weeks now since they announced it. They aren't going to change it back. What miracle are you waiting for that such lengthy complaints make a difference to you?
My self esteem is healthy enough that if I lose some or even all my progress in a videogame, it doesn't upset me. If I lose everything (which I haven't), then I'll just get it again.
Someone needs to go back and read what was said one more time. It looks like you just skimed the post. Not bothering to actually read what he said. He made some very good, and valid points. All of which you totally ignored.
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Well I feel that about sums our conversation up. We all have our opinions of the NGE. Some of us like it others hate. What we all agree on is that the NGE was not ready and should have been tested further. For all those I was arguing with, I hold no grudge. This was a debatable topic and things always get heated up with debates. If LA gets smart and gives the game to some other game developing company and you all return, I will see you then. I think it is fair to say this discussion is over and we all should find something else to talk about. Take care.
That is the core issue. NGE was rushed into live without having implemented the huge amount of constructive criticism formulated during the short "test" period. Yes there was a lot of moaning and bickering, but there were also a ton of very inciteful posts about what needed to be done to the system before going live. Heck, I would have been happy if they had just taken the new skillsets and grind and placed SWG skins and world on the Planetside engine. At least then you would have a proven working FPS with a Star Wars feel. Eliminating the death penalty and decay pretty much makes the whole game like a co-op FPS anyway now.
Sadly, I think that the way SWG has become so FUBAR with NGE, I will not be renewing my subscription in 6 days when it expires.
I started playing SWG shortly after its release. I stuck though it all, playing through all the bugs, nerfs, and screw-ups that SOE made to the game. I left shortly before the Combat upgrade after testing it in beta. I just tried the 10-day trial because I actually began to miss the game. All I can say is that as far as I am concerened SWG is dead. It is no longer SWG its Jedi FPS. No skill trees, no individuality, no truly new content. SOE should just let the game die or completely wipe the board and start over.
Time to give it up SOE you killed Star wars galaxies! All is left is the corpse, rotting away in some forgotten backwater planet, home only to scavengers and a few un-appreciated customers praying for salvation.
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It was, perhaps, the best scifi story, the lore, the background for a game ... but it was one of the poorest games conceived.
Let's at least get that straight.
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LA in my opinion should sever their ties now with SOE, find someone else to partner up with and anounce a completely different MMO in the works, at least if they want to stay in the MMO race. Unless you are a game player oblivious to the news of SWG for at least the last year, and especially as of late, then you are not going to buy this game.
And this time I would say to think out the incorporation of Jedi (or even melee classes in general) a little bit more.
Although not unexpected, but that's amazing.
If this is true, that has to be one of the largest blunders in game design I've seen. Sure SOE/LA came out with what they thought would save the game, but once you reach CL30 you're boned and the game is basically unplayable.
I'm sure the devs will create a patch, but you'd think that some genius would've caught that issue before release.
The more I think about the NGE and read it's current problems, I'm becoming more amazed that there's a free trial.
While I'm a big supporter of the NGE and hate all the whining that's going on about it right now; I do agree the NGE should have went through extensive testing on the test servers till every flaw and bug was worked out. I'll never say SOE is a good company to run SWG or develop it any further, but I will say I support the idea of having a fun Star Wars MMO. As of right now my only choice is SWG and I like it with the NGE. I do wish that LA would give the contract to some other game developing company.
Although not unexpected, but that's amazing.
If this is true, that has to be one of the largest blunders in game design I've seen. Sure SOE/LA came out with what they thought would save the game, but once you reach CL30 you're boned and the game is basically unplayable.
I'm sure the devs will create a patch, but you'd think that some genius would've caught that issue before release.
I more I think about the NGE and read it's current problems, I'm becoming more amazed that there's a free trial.
Free trial doesn't let you off the space station. So the real problems with the game will not be apparent to the unsuspecting buyer. If all I had to go on was the Free Trial as someone who's never played SWG I would be excited about this game and go out and buy it.
For NEW players there's probably enough growing room that SOE can get content in to fill the gaps. For EXISTING players SOE is giving them the finger and saying "tough, we'll get that content in as soon as we can, get over it".
The majority of pre-NGE veterans were CL80 so SOE had them covered with the ToOW expansion and they had the new up and coming player base covered with the 1-30 quests in the NGE. So this game is good in its current state unless you are a powergamer that goes through several levels a day; in that case SOE won't have anything for those players till another patch down the road. In my opinion I think this is fine because the powergamers really should get a life outside this game. This game is now geared towards casual gamers when it was geared mostly to your hardcore gamer crowd.
You are completely right, one person definitely relates directly to the entire majority of a population. We should throw out all polls, voting and statistical analysis as none of it is relevant, just ask one person and you have the answer to every question.
You are completely right, one person definitely relates directly to the entire majority of a population. We should throw out all polls, voting and statistical analysis as none of it is relevant, just ask one person and you have the answer to every question.
Okay if you want to be a smart ass I'll humor you. Work up a poll that will include all the 100's of thousands of players of SWG and ask them what their age is and if they like the NGE and plan on staying. What I'm saying is; just because one person you decide that ONLY kids are staying doesn't make it fact. I am just an example that not only kids are staying behind. Do you want me to explain to you what "example" means too? It has been proven that the pissed off customers are the most vocal on the forums and that the "majority," since you like to use that word, does not make any comment either or on the subject. This means when making a post; unless you can back them up with hard evidence, you should not make claims involving the words; all, majority, most, none and etc. when referring to people that play this game. Ofcourse you would have learned this if you payed attention in school.
"I'm an adult and still play the game. Enough said with that argument. This game still appeals to all ages. "
Not going to even continue a pointless arguement with reasoning like this...
My observations are as good as yours, my opinion can be expressed the same as yours. From what I have noticed, all the adults I know are leaving. The people I have seen that are still staying are kids. That is my observation on my server. Last I checked, you have done no polling or collecting of statistical data to back up your "facts" either.
If you can prove to me that i am wrong with stats, shoot, I am anxious to see the data. I'll be waiting.
"I'm an adult and still play the game. Enough said with that argument. This game still appeals to all ages. "
Not going to even continue a pointless arguement with reasoning like this...
My observations are as good as yours, my opinion can be expressed the same as yours. From what I have noticed, all the adults I know are leaving. The people I have seen that are still staying are kids. That is my observation on my server. Last I checked, you have done no polling or collecting of statistical data to back up your "facts" either.
If you can prove to me that i am wrong with stats, shoot, I am anxious to see the data. I'll be waiting.
I haven't stated anything as being facts like you have. You never once said it was your opinion. I'm not doing your leg work either. Go on the forums and count how many bad posts there are, only one per account ofcourse and then your good ones, one per account and then compare those to the amount of people subscribed to SWG. Then you will have some facts to post about. I don't need to do this because I'm not spouting off about most the gamers being kids or most of them being adults. All I'm saying is you honestly don't know how many are adults playing nor do you know if they are kids unless you ask every single one of them. I haven't been making observations while in game on whether or not the people I run across are kids or adults. Why would I. I'll give you credit that you might know who are kids and who aren't out of your guild or friends list, but there's really no way of knowing if all those other people making the server say heavy are kids or adults.
Your right you can say whatever you want on these forums, but no one will take you seriously when you make bold statements like that without showing proof of it. You wouldn't be posting on the forums if you didn't have something you wanted everyone to hear. So why not make the best of the audience you have and post something that is accurate so people will listen to what you have to say and not flame you for being an ass.
Very interesting comments by many people in this thread. The game really was intended for a start over I think as most poeple who relate the NGE to their existing toons are very dissapointed, and most people who started afresh with the NGE are having fun.
All I care about is the fun factor, and it's frockin super fun. Also I love star wars
I know how to run a poll and do statistics and the attempt to tell me how is not necessary. I have a degree in statistics and sociology from the University of Georgia. Even if i were to do a poll on this board it would not be statistically relevant as it would just reach the audience that is currently on these forums which is probably not a true representation of the populous of SWG.
These observations are from talking to others that are existing characters from a variety of guilds on my server; both imperial as well as rebel. This also stems from the number of emails I have recieved in game from other players saying that they were canceling their subscription to SWG. The logic of "I like it and I am an adult so it must appeal to all adults" just does not fly ith me and goes against what I have seen. You seem to be the only one flaming this opinion. The personal attacks are laughable at best, but rather drab and unimaginative. But once again, you fail to bring any data to the table or support your arguement in any way other than to say that because you like it, you are a representation of the entire poppulation and the majority of adults like it.
The point is they geared the game more towards those that want more immediate constant action and have less of an attention span. This general audience tends to be younger people. I agree with the statement of Anarchart in that most people who are already players are disappointed. Those that are looking at it fresh do not know what they are missing. My personal opinion is that it is the beginning of the end of the game. I know that I am now looking for another game to replace it. Many other people that I knew in game and that are co-workers in real life are now doing the same. The devs have killed what people spent time working towards and made it just another character class and gave no "elite" class to work towards. This leaves a void in the game that maybe they will address at some point, but at this time takes away from the gaming experience.
I've been playing or a few days now and I mostly like it. Tried it a few months ago and was totally turned off by the system (and I've been mmog'ing since UO) and even though I had over 30 friends running a player town the game just seemed to be one of the most poorly designed things I had ever seen (and I lived through the early days of Anarchy Online). I'm sure this changeover was a real kick in the teeth to the vets but I imagine the powers that be needed income and long term prospects over pleasing a small dedicated bunch of players.
The game had no Star Wars feel to it. Cantina's were macroing havens and vets (when you saw one) tended to pass you by like so much chaff under their toes. And then came nge and it was a bold move but it is most certainly a mish mash of styles but at least it has a chance to appeal to more than than it once did. I just hope they keep it up and continue to refine their idea. You can assume they just wanted the kiddie crowd frow wow (a thing that doesn't really exist but sounds good when you insult the game..all my old friends are in wow save me). And the entire enterprise may come crashing down one day as may most games going today (ala earth and beyond..a game I cursed but miss now that it's gone). Only time will tell.
But whatever they did, they got my vote; at least for now. And I'm about 2 generations away from being a kid. And nothng being produced today has much to offer anyone unless you like pretty graphics, quick success or an high end game you can can power your way to. At least Star Wars has the world itself and if they can keep going it might actually become the real game it was meant to be.
I think it's all the pissy 21 year olds leaving the game because SOE stole their youth lol I play on Naritus server, name is Freelan and will be making a brand new toon when we get our second character slot. Going to make a Rebel Jedi because Luke Skywalker is my hero
That's for all the Luke haters. Also I love the pictures for the classes from the movies. If they change them fine but I dig em.
Right now I'm working for Jabba again, can't seem to work my way out from that fat slug (I actually love it lol). I had honestly forgotten how much I love the Star Wars saga. Playing through the old game, while I only played for a total of about 3 months, I just didn't feel a part of the Star Wars universe. NGE changed all that and I'm grateful.
Again I sympathize with the vets, nothing can make it right what they did to you, nothing. If you can find it in your hearts to start over from scratch, I highly recommend it, its damn fun and I've played them all. If not I truly wish you luck and good fun in the next game you play.
I never once said I represent the entire populace. Please show me where I said this. I didn't say the majority of adults are staying or leaving either. I leave those things to people opinions. What you said you said as fact. You never put "in my opinion" in your post. So, one only assumes your stating it as fact. So numerous emails and impressions from your friends are enough to account for 400k people playing? I don't think so. You totally made my point when I was telling you to conduct a pole. I know you would have to get every single subscriber to participate for it to be accurate, that's why I told you to do that before you try speaking for all adults in the game. You specifically said that all adults are leaving...my reply was simple. Obviously all the adults are not leaving since I am one and I am still here. Me still being here represents that your statement of, "all adults are leaving," is incorrect and that you should state that this is your opinion which you never stated in that post.
My point comes down to this. If you are coming on the forums to speak for many other people make sure you make the audience know that it's you opinion and not facts without appropriate evidence. You could say, "It's a fact that all my adult friends are leaving the game because it doesn't appeal to them anymore and that they think of it as a kids game," but you cannot say, "All my friends are leaving whom are adults which leaves only kids on this server and this must mean all adults are going to leave this game leaving SWG only populated by children." This is what I got from your original post.
Please find and qute exactly where I said all adults are leaving.
I am bowing out of this ridiculous debate. You win. Since you are an adult and you are still playing all adults are still playing. The marketing departments everywhere will be rejoicing as they will no longer need analysis of markets, they can simply come to you.
I am very far from being a kid (age wise anyway). I came to this website today to download Dark Ages of Camelot. I have played SWG exclusivly for the past 18 months or so.
I am leaving SWG for the following reasons in this order:
1) They do not respect their players.
2) Their customer service is a farce.
3) My friends are all leaving SWG.
4) It has always been full of bugs and this version keeps the tradition. They use us for QA.
5) The new combat system is tedious. Combat requires more clicking than it used to. If you like clicking alot then you will like it but I don't.
6) They deleted the combat log and other handy ui features.
Yours truly Naritus.Royac, Zoj, Antinous, Loop & Shiney
Nope dissagree again
I started over with a fresh toon and hated it. They took a broad skill centered system and turned it into a narrow class oriented system.
Which for me kills the game.
And I'd hardly say that 'most' people who are starting over are enjoying it. I'd say *some*.
And I'm 38 so I'd have to say you're wrong about it being 21 year olds who are leaving, Anarchy.
The accurate answer is:
Some people like it and are staying
The majority of veteran players of all ages, however, are leaving. There are numerous polls up on non-SOE affiliated sites to back this statement up. SOE won't release numbers on it so we have to go by what's available. What's available is showing a mass exodus by vets.
As to whether it's fun? That's personal opinion.
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Nope dissagree again
I started over with a fresh toon and hated it. They took a broad skill centered system and turned it into a narrow class oriented system.
Which for me kills the game.
And I'd hardly say that 'most' people who are starting over are enjoying it. I'd say *some*.
And I'm 38 so I'd have to say you're wrong about it being 21 year olds who are leaving, Anarchy.
The accurate answer is:
Some people like it and are staying
The majority of veteran players of all ages, however, are leaving. There are numerous polls up on non-SOE affiliated sites to back this statement up. SOE won't release numbers on it so we have to go by what's available. What's available is showing a mass exodus by vets.
As to whether it's fun? That's personal opinion.
Well I feel that about sums our conversation up. We all have our opinions of the NGE. Some of us like it others hate. What we all agree on is that the NGE was not ready and should have been tested further. For all those I was arguing with, I hold no grudge. This was a debatable topic and things always get heated up with debates. If LA gets smart and gives the game to some other game developing company and you all return, I will see you then. I think it is fair to say this discussion is over and we all should find something else to talk about. Take care.
My self esteem is healthy enough that if I lose some or even all my progress in a videogame, it doesn't upset me. If I lose everything (which I haven't), then I'll just get it again.
Someone needs to go back and read what was said one more time. It looks like you just skimed the post. Not bothering to actually read what he said. He made some very good, and valid points. All of which you totally ignored.
In War - Victory.
In Peace - Vigilance.
In Death - Sacrifice.
That is the core issue. NGE was rushed into live without having implemented the huge amount of constructive criticism formulated during the short "test" period. Yes there was a lot of moaning and bickering, but there were also a ton of very inciteful posts about what needed to be done to the system before going live. Heck, I would have been happy if they had just taken the new skillsets and grind and placed SWG skins and world on the Planetside engine. At least then you would have a proven working FPS with a Star Wars feel. Eliminating the death penalty and decay pretty much makes the whole game like a co-op FPS anyway now.
Sadly, I think that the way SWG has become so FUBAR with NGE, I will not be renewing my subscription in 6 days when it expires.
I started playing SWG shortly after its release. I stuck though it all, playing through all the bugs, nerfs, and screw-ups that SOE made to the game. I left shortly before the Combat upgrade after testing it in beta. I just tried the 10-day trial because I actually began to miss the game. All I can say is that as far as I am concerened SWG is dead. It is no longer SWG its Jedi FPS. No skill trees, no individuality, no truly new content. SOE should just let the game die or completely wipe the board and start over.
Time to give it up SOE you killed Star wars galaxies! All is left is the corpse, rotting away in some forgotten backwater planet, home only to scavengers and a few un-appreciated customers praying for salvation.