Originally posted by 4tw.Krinn Ok to the guy about not thinking WoWs graphics aren't cartoony.
Look out your window, and tell me if it looks like your looking into your computer.
Put EQ2 on look outside (make sure graphics are on high) then look back to your computer. Tell me which one is closer to looking like your looking at your computer while playing the game.
Thank you
Krinn~
I look out of the window, i look back at eq2 and WoW and I see both graphics not to be realistic. You need to have photorealistic texture bumps in order to get any close to realism. And please, dont tell me you see people as plastic dolls. I find EQ2 character models less realistic then WoW, DAOC or most major MMORPGs. EQ2 terrain and world maybe slightly closer to realism, but WoW terrain is in no way cartoony - it has fantasy look. Its not cartoony and its not realistic to our own world (no game currently is). But terrain is only part of WoW universe. I find EQ2 character models very unrealistic "barbie" style. This is all my opinion, you may like EQ2 models, and may even find them realistic, but in my opinion u r wrong. This is as far as we can get without suppressing ones opinions.
I've been playing EQ2 since launch - still playing and plan to continue playing - love the game.
I did give WoW a try when I saw the huge buzz around the game and thought - what the heck am I missing that EQ2 isn't getting the same kind of buzz? To be honest - I really liked WoW as well - I liked the graphics, the characters, gameplay - loved the pvp aspect etc. It was fun - but I ended up getting bored too fast and thought about EQ2 too much and quit playing WoW before about a week had passed. Is there probably more to WoW that I missed out on - probably - but I haven't looked back.
EQ2 has fantastic features - graphics - content - quests (for eq2 players - I was in SC last night and worked on the manastone2 quest - the floating thing was so fricken awesome!! - but that's my point - that's just one quest that even after a full day of running around in EQ2 I was impressed by something and saw new places - and really felt like I got something important accomplished) - not only all of that -but it keeps getting better. I look foward to patches because there is always something coming up to take it that much further in the right direction. Is there room for improvement? Sure - but the point is that it's continually getting better and that's pretty darn impressive.
If you are playing EQ2 come see my house on Oasis server - SQ across from the mage tower - Lilymoon's the name (lvl 58 wiz) - I won't let my dragon bite you -I swear *fingers crossed*
Overall I say try them both and find the one that fits you better
The real question is preference. The major differences between the two games is visual and PvP. There are numerous other differences that i am sure Ill get blasted for not mentioning, that also come into play when making your decision.
Personally I enjoy EQ2's graphics. The quest system is pretty organized and most quests are generally provide you with enough information for novices to complete. The sound, graphics and controls are among my favorites.
WoW on the other hand is a little too cartoony for me. BUT AGAIN that's preference. if you like that style then this may be the game for you as you will have to look at those graphics everytime you sit down to play. The huge thing I enjoyed about WoW was the user interface, how the controls were set up and how the console appeared on my screen. Another huge factor is PvP. If that doesnt interest you then the only advantage that Wow holds over EQ2 is graphic style, Its the one thing that makes WoW different as all MMO's are built off the same general schematic.
One last thing that will affect your buying decision, System specs. EQ2 is a massive beast lusting for memory and CPU. you can get away with a celeron 2.53 and about 512 MB of 333Mhz Memory but you will experience some massive chop if you get to raids and highly populated areas.
Finally, the massive difference between companies on price is pretty simple. The people that enjoy WoW's style moved from EQ2 and took friends that did not want to play alone with them. The system specs required for EQ2 can be unbearable for those on a budget and unable to upgrade so there's more people who moved. Blizzard Knows this and has strategically left the price as high as they feel they can get away with to make the most amount of money possible. to answer this Sony has decreased the price of their software to expand their customer base.
Hope this helps. BTW they are both great games. Again it's PREFERENCE.
I prefer EQ2 to WoW unfortunately most of my friends play (well all) WoW. So it's either play EQ2 alone or WoW with friends.
I think there is much more content and classes in EQ2 than WoW myself. I also prefer the advanced graphics engine. I wish WoW would use their engine and then keep their art style... it would be amazing looking.
Another think I liked about EQ2 is there was no "hit 50" and be suprised with a crappy raid only loot drop system like WoW. In eq2 you are exposed to raids well before 50. In WoW it's a smooth ride to 60, w/no raiding and decent loot but when you hit 60 you got 0 chance less you raid to get decent items... and by raid I mean 40 people MC raids. In EQ2 the max size raid is 24.... even after expansion (level cap raised to 60).
Anyway, do what some have suggested, play what your friends are.
Originally posted by Jodokai Originally posted by Kem0sabe People get exited about blizzard only delivering battle grounds after launch when they promissed them at launch... what i find dunny in this is that everyone seems to forget rather quickly the froglok fiasco, didnt SOE say that the froglok quest was in the game at launch? didnt they say frogloks could be unlocked at launch? when in fact they could not and the quest was not there, SOE kept saying it was untill months later they launched a patch that introduced frogloks into the game as a new playable race, with much publicity, when people pointed out that SOE lied to them from the begining about this, they were ignore by SOE. Nope you are mistaken. All SOE said players would have the opportunity to unlock frogloks. Players ASSUMED it would be in at release, and then as happens OFTEN (like in your post) devs get misquoted Thats the big diference between blizzard and SOE, one is rather honest to their playerbase, the other has no qualms in flat out lying deceiving and "raping" the player base if its convinient to them. LOL, keep telling yourself that. I guess you've forgotten the StarCraft fiasco. That's a REAL one, not a case of people assuming. Oh and speaking of "raping" the game has been out a year now and it's still $50?? Speaking of not getting value for your money, how long do you wait every day in a queue before you can play a game you're paying for?
Why would blizzard lower the price of the game if its still selling like crazy, did you see today´s news article about the 5 milion mark that World of Warcraft reached? EQ2 on the other hand is already at a 19.99 discount bin price, the recent expansion is already at the 19.99 discount price, hmm, i wonder whos more troubled, the SOE execs or the blizzard execs?
Speaking of that froglok buisness, do a search online, i dunnno if the threads are still alive somewhere but i remmenber the heated discussions in the official forums about the frogloks, and i remmenber the devs stating more than once that the quest was there at launch and people only needed to find it.
Do you remmenber the DOF advertisement that stated 5 new overland zones, do you remmenber dev interviews a week before launch where the stated features wich included 5 overland zones? How many overland zones did the expansion have... 3... thats right, people bought oranges for apples yet again.
Do you remmenber reviews and previews of the game wich featured screenshots of armor and weapons that were suposed to be ingame and were never implemented? including all those cool armor models from beta? guess who suplied those screenshots to the media without any disclaimers on them.
Oh and concerning starcraft ghost... it was beeing developed by an outside studio, much like bioware did with KotOR 2, it turned out that blizzard was not happy with the quality of the product and canned the 3rd party devloper and took it upon themselfs to develop a higher quality product.
I´ve noticed something about your posts in the forums jodokai, you often misderect and avoid the issues with inuendo, i guess your a born politian
Someone explain to me what you mean by 'cartoony'? To me Cel-Shaded graphics are 'cartoony'. That's the way they are supposed to look. WoW uses normal textures just like EQ2.
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Why would blizzard lower the price of the game if its still selling like crazy, did you see today´s news article about the 5 milion mark that World of Warcraft reached? EQ2 on the other hand is already at a 19.99 discount bin price, the recent expansion is already at the 19.99 discount price, hmm, i wonder whos more troubled, the SOE execs or the blizzard execs? Yet if SOE were doing it you'd call them money grubbing. Something I've noticed avout your posts is they have no basis in fact. Not only that, but let's look at the fact that Blizzard charges $15 for 1 MMO SOE charges $21 for 5 MMO's. Who's more money grubbing in this secenario? Oh that's right, it's okay when Blizzard does it, it's only evil when it's SOE. Now really make me giggle and tell me you're not a hypocrit. Speaking of that froglok buisness, do a search online, i dunnno if the threads are still alive somewhere but i remmenber the heated discussions in the official forums about the frogloks, and i remmenber the devs stating more than once that the quest was there at launch and people only needed to find it. Actually why don't you come up with some proof for your false statement? NO WHERE and I mean NO WHERE did a dev acutally say the quest for Frogloks would be in at release. People were upset because they were led to believe this by assumption and no one at SOE corrected them on the hunderds of threads about the subject. Do you remmenber the DOF advertisement that stated 5 new overland zones, do you remmenber dev interviews a week before launch where the stated features wich included 5 overland zones? How many overland zones did the expansion have... 3... thats right, people bought oranges for apples yet again. I didn't follow this too closely so no I don't remember, but please let's see the proof. Do you remmenber reviews and previews of the game wich featured screenshots of armor and weapons that were suposed to be ingame and were never implemented? including all those cool armor models from beta? guess who suplied those screenshots to the media without any disclaimers on them. Again, saying it is one thing, proving it quite another, but I do remember advertisments for WoW's battlegrounds and people saying that was going to be in the game when it wasn't. So why is SOE evil for doing it but Blizzard isn't? Oh and concerning starcraft ghost... it was beeing developed by an outside studio, much like bioware did with KotOR 2, it turned out that blizzard was not happy with the quality of the product and canned the 3rd party devloper and took it upon themselfs to develop a higher quality product. You're thinking of the wrong fiasco. I'm talking about the one where blizzard sold people's email and personal information, you know right after they promised they wouldn't. xYep sounds like a stand up company to me. I´ve noticed something about your posts in the forums jodokai, you often misderect and avoid the issues with inuendo, i guess your a born politian How do I avoid the issues? I put what you said for all to see and responded point by point. You see what you take for policitical double talk is just the simple fact that I'm not as ignorant as you. I do the research. I can find proof for, and back up EVERY ONE OF MY STATEMENTS. You can't. Sure you're going to come back and say something clever like "Prove it yourself" or "I don't have to prove anything to you" etc. but the fact remains you can't and don't back up what you say.
Is wow having network trouble again since the worms are out of the wood?
Both games are rock solid games. Neither of them will hold the attention of the CS squad. Wow got a smoother ride to top level, then smack you head first into the "stay online 12 hours a day or quit" wall, Eq2 have a steeper learning curve and a bit less demanding end game. You still need to be in a pretty good guild to do the top end raiding tough, and you also need to be very good at finding excuses to keep playing. One of the games is made by a company that never make mistakes, the other by a company that always make mistakes. One game have a fanatic community worthy of a al-qaida warlord. The other have a community near paranoia towards the creators. And on both the last sentences the truth is somewhere in between.
Now, should we discuss the warden here too? Or will that just lead to a discussion about root-kits instead. I've asked SOE CS directly if they scan your computer while launching/running/patching Eq2. The answer is no. There is no warden software built into Eq2. Dunno if I want there to be either. It would be a real kick in the macrocomunitys balls. On the other hand, its another reason to play Eq2 instead of Wow
Originally posted by xminator Is wow having network trouble again since the worms are out of the wood?Both games are rock solid games. Neither of them will hold the attention of the CS squad. Wow got a smoother ride to top level, then smack you head first into the "stay online 12 hours a day or quit" wall, Eq2 have a steeper learning curve and a bit less demanding end game. You still need to be in a pretty good guild to do the top end raiding tough, and you also need to be very good at finding excuses to keep playing. One of the games is made by a company that never make mistakes, the other by a company that always make mistakes. One game have a fanatic community worthy of a al-qaida warlord. The other have a community near paranoia towards the creators. And on both the last sentences the truth is somewhere in between.Now, should we discuss the warden here too? Or will that just lead to a discussion about root-kits instead. I've asked SOE CS directly if they scan your computer while launching/running/patching Eq2. The answer is no. There is no warden software built into Eq2. Dunno if I want there to be either. It would be a real kick in the macrocomunitys balls. On the other hand, its another reason to play Eq2 instead of Wow
WoW soft scans your memory ( i doubt VERY much it actialy scans your harddrive since that is a very very lengthy process ) for trojans ( i think ) but most importantly it scans for known hacks - a kind of guard against hackers. Im stilll debating about this, its good becuase it keeps hackers at bay somewhat, but on the other hand, i personally was never warned about this, so they kinda kept quiet when they should of warned me about their actions. Depending on the mood, im either angry or ignorant of this matter.
Originally posted by Roin Someone explain to me what you mean by 'cartoony'? To me Cel-Shaded graphics are 'cartoony'. That's the way they are supposed to look. WoW uses normal textures just like EQ2.
The textures may be normal, but the colors and the way the characters are portrayed are not. I mean look at Night Elves. They have long spindly limbs with oversized extremities. There was no attempt at realism. I'm not saying it's bad, it's just a different style. I mean take the original Super Friends. You can see there was a definate attept to make the characters realisitc, while the JLA cartoon they're using a boxy style (can't remember the guy that made that popular). It's not that one style is better than the other they are just different.
EQ2 has made an attempt to make their characters real looking.
You see the hardest part of making graphics for games is the human face. This is the hardest part to make realistic. A lot of companies get around this by making you fight zombies or other non-human critters(this is from John Carmack, the father of First Person Shooters). WoW decided to go with a cartoon look, which is brilliant because it really goes with the the feeling of Warcraft. The style fits the genre perfectly.
EQ2 decided to make human-looking faces as well as current technology allows.
I switched from WoW to EQ2 Cuz the People Who play Eq2 Are way! way! nicer than the one's who play Wow..and i like the Graphics better ..... The People who play SHAMANS , Who ARE Noobs! only use Freakin Stun and Slowing Moves Pisses Me of SO much ..... bah .. but,.. the ones who arent noobs are ok they use more than 1 Friggin move.
Originally posted by Jodokai The textures may be normal, but the colors and the way the characters are portrayed are not. I mean look at Night Elves. They have long spindly limbs with oversized extremities. There was no attempt at realism. I'm not saying it's bad, it's just a different style. I mean take the original Super Friends. You can see there was a definate attept to make the characters realisitc, while the JLA cartoon they're using a boxy style (can't remember the guy that made that popular). It's not that one style is better than the other they are just different. EQ2 has made an attempt to make their characters real looking. You see the hardest part of making graphics for games is the human face. This is the hardest part to make realistic. A lot of companies get around this by making you fight zombies or other non-human critters(this is from John Carmack, the father of First Person Shooters). WoW decided to go with a cartoon look, which is brilliant because it really goes with the the feeling of Warcraft. The style fits the genre perfectly. EQ2 decided to make human-looking faces as well as current technology allows.
Heh, interesting view... I italized part of your comment to bring attention to it. My question is, What comparison base do you have to compare WoW Night Elves with Real Night Elves? Are there any live Night Elves? or elves? I think we kinda speak of the same concept, except that a lot of people distort the meaning of "fantasy" style by calling it "cartoony". To me, "catroony" means "heantai" or "manga", based on drawing or painting. WoW graphics are not that, they have their own "fantasy" style. Ill try to find some pics for comparizon once i get back from work.
Originally posted by jimmyman99 Originally posted by Jodokai The textures may be normal, but the colors and the way the characters are portrayed are not. I mean look at Night Elves. They have long spindly limbs with oversized extremities. There was no attempt at realism. I'm not saying it's bad, it's just a different style. I mean take the original Super Friends. You can see there was a definate attept to make the characters realisitc, while the JLA cartoon they're using a boxy style (can't remember the guy that made that popular). It's not that one style is better than the other they are just different. EQ2 has made an attempt to make their characters real looking. You see the hardest part of making graphics for games is the human face. This is the hardest part to make realistic. A lot of companies get around this by making you fight zombies or other non-human critters(this is from John Carmack, the father of First Person Shooters). WoW decided to go with a cartoon look, which is brilliant because it really goes with the the feeling of Warcraft. The style fits the genre perfectly. EQ2 decided to make human-looking faces as well as current technology allows.
Heh, interesting view... I italized part of your comment to bring attention to it. My question is, What comparison base do you have to compare WoW Night Elves with Real Night Elves? Are there any live Night Elves? or elves? I think we kinda speak of the same concept, except that a lot of people distort the meaning of "fantasy" style by calling it "cartoony". To me, "catroony" means "heantai" or "manga", based on drawing or painting. WoW graphics are not that, they have their own "fantasy" style. Ill try to find some pics for comparizon once i get back from work.
I think thats the part that gets me hung up Jimmy. He said just look at Night Elves, but honestly i'm sitting thinking. What is he comparing them to? I don't know I just don't understand honestly. I think our definitions of 'cartoony' are just different I guess. I look at WoW and see a bright very well made fantasy world. Doesn't really give off a cartoony vibe. I don't see cel-shaded characters or killer bunnies or cutsie characters (Like alot of asian MMO's like Seal Online or Yogurting)
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I dont find WoW sounds or graphics cartooney at all.
Cmon jimmy, gimme a break. You don't find them cartoony? Don't get me wrong, WoW is a fantastic game, but compared to EQ2, it looks like a Disney cartoon.
Concering the night elf issue, the devs have stated that they based the overall race on the japonese culture, including architecture, society, etc...
Now, to call a game cartoony just because each of the races "proportions" are not up to someone´s ideal of what fantasy should be, thats not very bright.
Take a look at tolkien´s elves, his drawings of them, not much like DnD´s elfs or Eq2´s elfs or WoW´s High/Blood elfs. Them compare all those to elves in scandinavian mithology, where they were mentioned for the first time, all of them difer greatly from each other, so, when someone says that the proportions are not right... whats your basis for comparison?
Eq2´s elfs (non SOGA) are unlike any i have seen, including EQ1´s, the males look horrible and the females look like a bad genetic experiment without any proportion in their figure, could i say that EQ2 has cartoony gfx because every female in the game has extremly large breasts?
Given the WoWafication that is going on in EQ2, there isnt much choice between the 2...if your machine can handle the good graphics on EQ2, play that...unless you like playing in a theme park or are a B.net kiddie, then play WoW.
As to the graphics discussion: by every objective benchmark, EQ2 beats WoW hands down...now you can arge about 'cartoony' and 'dull' and what ever, but it is all just opinion.
Gotta say EQ2. Played WoW at launch for less than 1 month. Went back for 2 weeks about 9 months later and decided I will never play that game again. It's just way too much of the same thing.
EQ2 seems much more varied to me and I've been playing it for months. I've never had the feeling that I'm doing the same old thing with it.
Until you cancel your subscription, you are only helping to continue the cycle of mediocrity.
Originally posted by Kem0sabe Concering the night elf issue, the devs have stated that they based the overall race on the japonese culture, including architecture, society, etc... Now, to call a game cartoony just because each of the races "proportions" are not up to someone´s ideal of what fantasy should be, thats not very bright. Take a look at tolkien´s elves, his drawings of them, not much like DnD´s elfs or Eq2´s elfs or WoW´s High/Blood elfs. Them compare all those to elves in scandinavian mithology, where they were mentioned for the first time, all of them difer greatly from each other, so, when someone says that the proportions are not right... whats your basis for comparison? Eq2´s elfs (non SOGA) are unlike any i have seen, including EQ1´s, the males look horrible and the females look like a bad genetic experiment without any proportion in their figure, could i say that EQ2 has cartoony gfx because every female in the game has extremly large breasts?
Wow, I can't beleive how well your forum name fits you.
Meh, enlighten us with your opinions on this Jodokai, because those that prefer to answer with insults instead of valid arguments are nothing more than objects of pitty.
Originally posted by Kem0sabe Meh, enlighten us with your opinions on this Jodokai, because those that prefer to answer with insults instead of valid arguments are nothing more than objects of pitty.
I've used valid arguments, you just don't bother to read them and make things up to refute them. I'm done treating you like an adult until you decide to start acting like one.
Jodokai, take for example your posts on the server issue, and why AB is the one with the heaviest load, half the people reading them must laugh themselfs silly, i have refuted and explained patiently why the RP servers are the most populated, but you just seem to get a kick out of beegin contrary.
On the topic at hand, i posted my view and i think it had validity to it, as cartoony or whatever label people put on a game is just a matter pf prespective, but no, instead of defending your view or refuting mine you insult and then claim you wont treat me as an adult untill i behave like one? maturity us something well beyond your grasp, but hey its christmas, make a wish, maybe it will come true.
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EQ2 terrain and world maybe slightly closer to realism, but WoW terrain is in no way cartoony - it has fantasy look. Its not cartoony and its not realistic to our own world (no game currently is). But terrain is only part of WoW universe. I find EQ2 character models very unrealistic "barbie" style. This is all my opinion, you may like EQ2 models, and may even find them realistic, but in my opinion u r wrong. This is as far as we can get without suppressing ones opinions.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
And did you hit the 'Cancel Subscription' button immediately afterwards lol.
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I never wait to join my server (im on Skywall)
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
And did you hit the 'Cancel Subscription' button immediately afterwards lol.
Actually yes, that was the last time I logged in. I had cancelled prior, and was going to play one last time before leaving for good.
I've been playing EQ2 since launch - still playing and plan to continue playing - love the game.
I did give WoW a try when I saw the huge buzz around the game and thought - what the heck am I missing that EQ2 isn't getting the same kind of buzz? To be honest - I really liked WoW as well - I liked the graphics, the characters, gameplay - loved the pvp aspect etc. It was fun - but I ended up getting bored too fast and thought about EQ2 too much and quit playing WoW before about a week had passed. Is there probably more to WoW that I missed out on - probably - but I haven't looked back.
EQ2 has fantastic features - graphics - content - quests (for eq2 players - I was in SC last night and worked on the manastone2 quest - the floating thing was so fricken awesome!! - but that's my point - that's just one quest that even after a full day of running around in EQ2 I was impressed by something and saw new places - and really felt like I got something important accomplished) - not only all of that -but it keeps getting better. I look foward to patches because there is always something coming up to take it that much further in the right direction. Is there room for improvement? Sure - but the point is that it's continually getting better and that's pretty darn impressive.
If you are playing EQ2 come see my house on Oasis server - SQ across from the mage tower - Lilymoon's the name (lvl 58 wiz) - I won't let my dragon bite you -I swear *fingers crossed*
Overall I say try them both and find the one that fits you better
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The real question is preference. The major differences between the two games is visual and PvP. There are numerous other differences that i am sure Ill get blasted for not mentioning, that also come into play when making your decision.
Personally I enjoy EQ2's graphics. The quest system is pretty organized and most quests are generally provide you with enough information for novices to complete. The sound, graphics and controls are among my favorites.
WoW on the other hand is a little too cartoony for me. BUT AGAIN that's preference. if you like that style then this may be the game for you as you will have to look at those graphics everytime you sit down to play. The huge thing I enjoyed about WoW was the user interface, how the controls were set up and how the console appeared on my screen. Another huge factor is PvP. If that doesnt interest you then the only advantage that Wow holds over EQ2 is graphic style, Its the one thing that makes WoW different as all MMO's are built off the same general schematic.
One last thing that will affect your buying decision, System specs. EQ2 is a massive beast lusting for memory and CPU. you can get away with a celeron 2.53 and about 512 MB of 333Mhz Memory but you will experience some massive chop if you get to raids and highly populated areas.
Finally, the massive difference between companies on price is pretty simple. The people that enjoy WoW's style moved from EQ2 and took friends that did not want to play alone with them. The system specs required for EQ2 can be unbearable for those on a budget and unable to upgrade so there's more people who moved. Blizzard Knows this and has strategically left the price as high as they feel they can get away with to make the most amount of money possible. to answer this Sony has decreased the price of their software to expand their customer base.
Hope this helps. BTW they are both great games. Again it's PREFERENCE.
I prefer EQ2 to WoW unfortunately most of my friends play (well all) WoW. So it's either play EQ2 alone or WoW with friends.
I think there is much more content and classes in EQ2 than WoW myself. I also prefer the advanced graphics engine. I wish WoW would use their engine and then keep their art style... it would be amazing looking.
Another think I liked about EQ2 is there was no "hit 50" and be suprised with a crappy raid only loot drop system like WoW. In eq2 you are exposed to raids well before 50. In WoW it's a smooth ride to 60, w/no raiding and decent loot but when you hit 60 you got 0 chance less you raid to get decent items... and by raid I mean 40 people MC raids. In EQ2 the max size raid is 24.... even after expansion (level cap raised to 60).
Anyway, do what some have suggested, play what your friends are.
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Why would blizzard lower the price of the game if its still selling like crazy, did you see today´s news article about the 5 milion mark that World of Warcraft reached? EQ2 on the other hand is already at a 19.99 discount bin price, the recent expansion is already at the 19.99 discount price, hmm, i wonder whos more troubled, the SOE execs or the blizzard execs?
Speaking of that froglok buisness, do a search online, i dunnno if the threads are still alive somewhere but i remmenber the heated discussions in the official forums about the frogloks, and i remmenber the devs stating more than once that the quest was there at launch and people only needed to find it.
Do you remmenber the DOF advertisement that stated 5 new overland zones, do you remmenber dev interviews a week before launch where the stated features wich included 5 overland zones?
How many overland zones did the expansion have... 3... thats right, people bought oranges for apples yet again.
Do you remmenber reviews and previews of the game wich featured screenshots of armor and weapons that were suposed to be ingame and were never implemented? including all those cool armor models from beta? guess who suplied those screenshots to the media without any disclaimers on them.
Oh and concerning starcraft ghost... it was beeing developed by an outside studio, much like bioware did with KotOR 2, it turned out that blizzard was not happy with the quality of the product and canned the 3rd party devloper and took it upon themselfs to develop a higher quality product.
I´ve noticed something about your posts in the forums jodokai, you often misderect and avoid the issues with inuendo, i guess your a born politian
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Someone explain to me what you mean by 'cartoony'? To me Cel-Shaded graphics are 'cartoony'. That's the way they are supposed to look. WoW uses normal textures just like EQ2.
In War - Victory.
In Peace - Vigilance.
In Death - Sacrifice.
Is wow having network trouble again since the worms are out of the wood?
Both games are rock solid games. Neither of them will hold the attention of the CS squad. Wow got a smoother ride to top level, then smack you head first into the "stay online 12 hours a day or quit" wall, Eq2 have a steeper learning curve and a bit less demanding end game. You still need to be in a pretty good guild to do the top end raiding tough, and you also need to be very good at finding excuses to keep playing. One of the games is made by a company that never make mistakes, the other by a company that always make mistakes. One game have a fanatic community worthy of a al-qaida warlord. The other have a community near paranoia towards the creators. And on both the last sentences the truth is somewhere in between.
Now, should we discuss the warden here too? Or will that just lead to a discussion about root-kits instead. I've asked SOE CS directly if they scan your computer while launching/running/patching Eq2. The answer is no. There is no warden software built into Eq2. Dunno if I want there to be either. It would be a real kick in the macrocomunitys balls. On the other hand, its another reason to play Eq2 instead of Wow
WoW soft scans your memory ( i doubt VERY much it actialy scans your harddrive since that is a very very lengthy process ) for trojans ( i think ) but most importantly it scans for known hacks - a kind of guard against hackers. Im stilll debating about this, its good becuase it keeps hackers at bay somewhat, but on the other hand, i personally was never warned about this, so they kinda kept quiet when they should of warned me about their actions. Depending on the mood, im either angry or ignorant of this matter.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
The textures may be normal, but the colors and the way the characters are portrayed are not. I mean look at Night Elves. They have long spindly limbs with oversized extremities. There was no attempt at realism. I'm not saying it's bad, it's just a different style. I mean take the original Super Friends. You can see there was a definate attept to make the characters realisitc, while the JLA cartoon they're using a boxy style (can't remember the guy that made that popular). It's not that one style is better than the other they are just different.
EQ2 has made an attempt to make their characters real looking.
You see the hardest part of making graphics for games is the human face. This is the hardest part to make realistic. A lot of companies get around this by making you fight zombies or other non-human critters(this is from John Carmack, the father of First Person Shooters). WoW decided to go with a cartoon look, which is brilliant because it really goes with the the feeling of Warcraft. The style fits the genre perfectly.
EQ2 decided to make human-looking faces as well as current technology allows.
Heh, interesting view... I italized part of your comment to bring attention to it. My question is, What comparison base do you have to compare WoW Night Elves with Real Night Elves? Are there any live Night Elves? or elves? I think we kinda speak of the same concept, except that a lot of people distort the meaning of "fantasy" style by calling it "cartoony". To me, "catroony" means "heantai" or "manga", based on drawing or painting. WoW graphics are not that, they have their own "fantasy" style. Ill try to find some pics for comparizon once i get back from work.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Heh, interesting view... I italized part of your comment to bring attention to it. My question is, What comparison base do you have to compare WoW Night Elves with Real Night Elves? Are there any live Night Elves? or elves? I think we kinda speak of the same concept, except that a lot of people distort the meaning of "fantasy" style by calling it "cartoony". To me, "catroony" means "heantai" or "manga", based on drawing or painting. WoW graphics are not that, they have their own "fantasy" style. Ill try to find some pics for comparizon once i get back from work.
I think thats the part that gets me hung up Jimmy. He said just look at Night Elves, but honestly i'm sitting thinking. What is he comparing them to? I don't know I just don't understand honestly. I think our definitions of 'cartoony' are just different I guess. I look at WoW and see a bright very well made fantasy world. Doesn't really give off a cartoony vibe. I don't see cel-shaded characters or killer bunnies or cutsie characters (Like alot of asian MMO's like Seal Online or Yogurting)
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Eq2 all the way.
WoW is just not that fun, and is way over hyped
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Concering the night elf issue, the devs have stated that they based the overall race on the japonese culture, including architecture, society, etc...
Now, to call a game cartoony just because each of the races "proportions" are not up to someone´s ideal of what fantasy should be, thats not very bright.
Take a look at tolkien´s elves, his drawings of them, not much like DnD´s elfs or Eq2´s elfs or WoW´s High/Blood elfs. Them compare all those to elves in scandinavian mithology, where they were mentioned for the first time, all of them difer greatly from each other, so, when someone says that the proportions are not right... whats your basis for comparison?
Eq2´s elfs (non SOGA) are unlike any i have seen, including EQ1´s, the males look horrible and the females look like a bad genetic experiment without any proportion in their figure, could i say that EQ2 has cartoony gfx because every female in the game has extremly large breasts?
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Given the WoWafication that is going on in EQ2, there isnt much choice between the 2...if your machine can handle the good graphics on EQ2, play that...unless you like playing in a theme park or are a B.net kiddie, then play WoW.
As to the graphics discussion: by every objective benchmark, EQ2 beats WoW hands down...now you can arge about 'cartoony' and 'dull' and what ever, but it is all just opinion.
Gotta say EQ2. Played WoW at launch for less than 1 month. Went back for 2 weeks about 9 months later and decided I will never play that game again. It's just way too much of the same thing.
EQ2 seems much more varied to me and I've been playing it for months. I've never had the feeling that I'm doing the same old thing with it.
Until you cancel your subscription, you are only helping to continue the cycle of mediocrity.
Meh, enlighten us with your opinions on this Jodokai, because those that prefer to answer with insults instead of valid arguments are nothing more than objects of pitty.
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Jodokai, take for example your posts on the server issue, and why AB is the one with the heaviest load, half the people reading them must laugh themselfs silly, i have refuted and explained patiently why the RP servers are the most populated, but you just seem to get a kick out of beegin contrary.
On the topic at hand, i posted my view and i think it had validity to it, as cartoony or whatever label people put on a game is just a matter pf prespective, but no, instead of defending your view or refuting mine you insult and then claim you wont treat me as an adult untill i behave like one? maturity us something well beyond your grasp, but hey its christmas, make a wish, maybe it will come true.
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