Okay then, let's take a look at your post again, so I can go line by line, and ignore the fact that if I said WoW wasn't cartoony you'd say it was:
Originally posted by Kem0sabe Concering the night elf issue, the devs have stated that they based the overall race on the japonese culture, including architecture, society, etc... Which has absolutely no bering on anything what-so-ever. Now, to call a game cartoony just because each of the races "proportions" are not up to someone´s ideal of what fantasy should be, thats not very bright. Okay. You say it isn't "Cartoony" then define cartoony for me please. You seem to be the expert on what is and isn't cartoony for everyone. The night elves were just an example. They have spindly limbs with large hands and feel. The way the move (and all the characters move) is less life-like and more cartoon like. Take a look at tolkien´s elves, his drawings of them, not much like DnD´s elfs or Eq2´s elfs or WoW´s High/Blood elfs. Them compare all those to elves in scandinavian mithology, where they were mentioned for the first time, all of them difer greatly from each other, so, when someone says that the proportions are not right... whats your basis for comparison? Actually Tolkien's elves are EXACTLY like D&D's since the original creaters lifted Tolkien's ideas to make the game. Again, get the facts. Eq2´s elfs (non SOGA) are unlike any i have seen, including EQ1´s, the males look horrible and the females look like a bad genetic experiment without any proportion in their figure, could i say that EQ2 has cartoony gfx because every female in the game has extremly large breasts? EQ2's graphics have never been called cartoony. It is a style of graphics Blizzard has used in their last Warcraft game. EVERYONE knows that WoW has cartoon like grpahics, you saying they aren't is just your immature little way of arguing with me.
As far as the server issue on the other thread, what I find hilarious is that you have NO IDEA what my point was. You just found another way to argue with me, so you jummped on. Yeah I'm the one who's immature.
Originally posted by Jodokai Okay then, let's take a look at your post again, so I can go line by line, and ignore the fact that if I said WoW wasn't cartoony you'd say it was: Originally posted by Kem0sabe Concering the night elf issue, the devs have stated that they based the overall race on the japonese culture, including architecture, society, etc... Which has absolutely no bering on anything what-so-ever. Now, to call a game cartoony just because each of the races "proportions" are not up to someone´s ideal of what fantasy should be, thats not very bright. Okay. You say it isn't "Cartoony" then define cartoony for me please. You seem to be the expert on what is and isn't cartoony for everyone. The night elves were just an example. They have spindly limbs with large hands and feel. The way the move (and all the characters move) is less life-like and more cartoon like. Take a look at tolkien´s elves, his drawings of them, not much like DnD´s elfs or Eq2´s elfs or WoW´s High/Blood elfs. Them compare all those to elves in scandinavian mithology, where they were mentioned for the first time, all of them difer greatly from each other, so, when someone says that the proportions are not right... whats your basis for comparison? Actually Tolkien's elves are EXACTLY like D&D's since the original creaters lifted Tolkien's ideas to make the game. Again, get the facts. Eq2´s elfs (non SOGA) are unlike any i have seen, including EQ1´s, the males look horrible and the females look like a bad genetic experiment without any proportion in their figure, could i say that EQ2 has cartoony gfx because every female in the game has extremly large breasts? EQ2's graphics have never been called cartoony. It is a style of graphics Blizzard has used in their last Warcraft game. EVERYONE knows that WoW has cartoon like grpahics, you saying they aren't is just your immature little way of arguing with me. As far as the server issue on the other thread, what I find hilarious is that you have NO IDEA what my point was. You just found another way to argue with me, so you jummped on. Yeah I'm the one who's immature.
Cartoony -
a. A drawing depicting a humorous situation, often accompanied by a caption. b. A drawing representing current public figures or issues symbolically and often satirically: a political cartoon. 2. A preliminary sketch similar in size to the work, such as a fresco, that is to be copied from it. 3. An animated cartoon. 4. A comic strip. 5. A ridiculously oversimplified or stereotypical representation: criticized the actor's portrayal of Jefferson as a historically inaccurate cartoon. v. car·tooned, car·toon·ing, car·toons v.tr. To draw a humorous or satirical representation of; caricature. v.intr. To make humorous or satirical drawings.
I can realy see the blizzard execs with that list in their hands reading it point by point and saying " we must have this or do that"
As i said time and again, cartoony is a situation or a prespective, to define a game cartoony, is simply wrong.
Another thing, and try not to confuse your self too much Jodokai, DnD elfs are nothing like tolkiens elfs, for one, they are shorter, they come in an absurd number of skin colours and some even have wings.
Read tolkiens works and then read DnDs source books, i do admit that a very general idea was taken from tolkiens books, as tolkien also streched the nature of the original scandinavian elfs when he created his.
As i said time and again, cartoony is a situation or a prespective, to define a game cartoony, is simply wrong. Okay it's a matter of perspective, yet one perspective can be wrong? Sorry didn't realize you were God saying who can have what perspective. And again you're reading ability is lacking. I (and about 5 million other people) didn't say the game was cartoony, I said the graphics are, and even if I did, it's my opinion, oh but you're playing God again? You get to decide when somenoe's opinion is wrong?
All you're doing is trying to be argumentative. It doesn't matter what the point is to you anymore, anything you can argue with me about you're going to. I'm done playing your little kiddie games. You're not smart enough to get to me and I'm sick of making fun of you.
Personally I'd rather see admin put a stop to game A vs game B threads. It's..just..stupid and the most obvious form of trolling. Mind you, that would make these forums pretty empty.
"Eq2´s elfs (non SOGA) are unlike any i have seen, including EQ1´s, the males look horrible and the females look like a bad genetic experiment without any proportion in their figure, could i say that EQ2 has cartoony gfx because every female in the game has extremly large breasts?"
You know what I find funny about that, is that you said that there is no basis on what Elves looked like. Who says that Elves had the genetics to have small breasts? No one said that they had the genes to have big ones... but what you just said contradicts some of your other points. So maybe check what you said vs what you say for more accurate information.
Next.. if you going to put the definition for cartoon/cartoony maybe you should put the definition for realistic/realism.
Realistic:
Tending to or expressing an awareness of things as they really are: She gave us a realistic appraisal of our chances.
Of or relating to the representation of objects, actions, or social conditions as they actually are: a realistic novel about ghetto life. See Synonyms at graphic.
Realisim:
An inclination toward literal truth and pragmatism.
The representation in art or literature of objects, actions, or social conditions as they actually are, without idealization or presentation in abstract form.
Philosophy.
The scholastic doctrine, opposed to nominalism, that universals exist independently of their being thought.
The modern philosophical doctrine, opposed to idealism, that physical objects exist independently of their being perceived.
Hmmm now does WoW fit those? Maybe in some small forms, but it seems that EQ2 fits that MUCH more than WoW does.
It makes really wonder if that when you walk outside you see everything in WoW form, cause if you do load me up some of those pills please.
Bringing realism and realistic into this discussion would not serve much of a purpouse, as its a Fantasy setting where none of the laws that those 2 definitions function by are present in a reliable manner.
All of the laws of physics are skewed, so, is it "cartoony" for a character to swim in full armor or jump 3 feet off the ground in full armor? is it "cartoony" for a character to take repeated blows by an axe without imediate death? or never feeel hunger or any number of things?
IF we are going to label a game cartoony by looks alone, then all fantasy games are cartoony, the SOGA and non SOGA models in EQ2 show that, with huge breasts anorexic legs, the models in WoW show that also, with their bodies out of proportion.
Remmenber when the coyote in road runner was smaked around by all those acme inventions? we laughed and thought that was a great cartoon situation, same unreal things happen everytime your character takes a 100 feet fall off a cliff and looses 50% of their health, or gets hit by a fireball and isnt scorched.
In writen fantasy worlds, like tolkiens or George Martins works, the authors can take away that cartoony feelings by using many of the laws of nature that govern our own world, but in computer game form, we loose all that. Lets keep off the labels and just see games as they are, entertainment without any pretence of realism.
Originally posted by nolf First off, let me say this. Go with the game that people you actually know are playing!!!! Thats what makes an mmo, your gaming groups.I personally prefer EQ2. I tried WOW a while back, and the leveling was far too quick for my taste (although I have been told that they fixed this). The main reason I like EQ2 over WOW is the community. Now, there are exceptions to every generalization, but I found the WOW community to lean a little more towards the nasty in comparison to EQ2.They have comparible gameplay/graphics. The reason EQ2 is less is probably because there is already an expansion out for it.I would say, go with what your friends are playing, its much easier to enjoy game with people you know from real life!
On a personal level, I would somewhat disagree that you should play solely what your friends like. While it is better for discussion purposes I find it often a pain to have to be tied down to what the schedule of your friends are. Additionally if for some reason you play more or less than your friends, then you get into the left behind and/or the hold back leveling senarios. On the other hand, you never have as much trouble finding a party. I guess it's just a matter of personal taste. I see friends and co-workers all the time...I don't necessarily want to always group with them.
Honestly I would say most games have thier pros and cons. WoW is definately more casual, so if you just play a little then the game is simply great. EQ2 is great too but can be quite a time sink, but it requires a bit more time (IMO)
Originally posted by Kem0sabe Bringing realism and realistic into this discussion would not serve much of a purpouse, as its a Fantasy setting where none of the laws that those 2 definitions function by are present in a reliable manner.
All of the laws of physics are skewed, so, is it "cartoony" for a character to swim in full armor or jump 3 feet off the ground in full armor? is it "cartoony" for a character to take repeated blows by an axe without imediate death? or never feeel hunger or any number of things? IF we are going to label a game cartoony by looks alone, then all fantasy games are cartoony, the SOGA and non SOGA models in EQ2 show that, with huge breasts anorexic legs, the models in WoW show that also, with their bodies out of proportion.
Remmenber when the coyote in road runner was smaked around by all those acme inventions? we laughed and thought that was a great cartoon situation, same unreal things happen everytime your character takes a 100 feet fall off a cliff and looses 50% of their health, or gets hit by a fireball and isnt scorched. In writen fantasy worlds, like tolkiens or George Martins works, the authors can take away that cartoony feelings by using many of the laws of nature that govern our own world, but in computer game form, we loose all that. Lets keep off the labels and just see games as they are, entertainment without any pretence of realism.
And my one question: How do the laws of phisiscs have anything what-so-ever to do with the way something looks?
Look I don't know why, but for some reason you seem to have taken offense to the word "Cartoony" and feel like arguing about it. The fact that you fly off on tangents and start talking about physics or "cartoony feel" shows you have no real argument against it, you just want to argue about it.
No one said WoW "feels" cartoony, we (we being about 5 million people)simply said it LOOKS cartoony. This has nothing to do with physics or the way something feels or casting fireballs or anything else. If you look at a still picture of a human in WoW, it looks more like a cartoon and less realistic than a human does in EQ2. No one is saying it is a bad thing, and no one is knocking Blizzard for it. I think the style was the perfect choice for the game, which is also introduces more humor into it and doesn't take itself as seriously as EQ2 tries to.
The artists at WoW took a more animated approach to their art. They didn't try to make it look realistic, and I'm sure even Bilizzard would tell you this. It is simply a style they choose. It is obvious in EQ2 the developers did everything they could to make it look as if it could really exsist in the real world.
I mean just compare the humans. In WoW they look much more like they were drawn for a cartoon, in EQ2 you can tell they attempted realism.
As you can see, i was responding to the relalism/realistic post, thats why i brought physichs to the table, was whats real or what atempts to look or be real has everything to do with physics.
I see many people on the internet that think that WoW is for less mature players or that its an inferior game because of the way it looks, im not saying its you or anyone in specific, but they are out there as you well know. I do take issue with that, i dont think the art style blizzard devs chose to follow in their game is a statement of immaturity or lack of quality, i have seen many of the old EQlive players sneer at WoW because of it. As a former EQlive and UO player i feel like WoW has been the closest game to copy the old EQ feel and mechanics and am bothered by the hypocrasy when WoW plays exactly like a supped up EQ.
Sorry about the detour above, now back to topic, i was taking offense for something i should not, people can call WoW cartoony all the want, but there is a destinction between between understanding why blizzard went for a more animated feel and bashing a game because it looks "cartoony". I know that you didnt do that Jodokai, your issues with WoW are on other areas, but many on the curled upper lip side of the line feel that way.
As a last note, i would like to apolagise for my behavior yesterday on christmas eve, i let it get out of hand and insulted you Jodokai without having cause for it, i wish you the best of hollidays and i think we can agree that we disagree on alot of topics.
I find it amusing the fact that people automatically assume because it is cartoony that it is childlike and less realistic. It's just the artstyle that they chose to create the world in. As far as realism goes, the more realistic a game is the more glaring the problems are apparent. There have been so many times that my EQ2 characters has been fighting or running on a side of a cliff (like Thundering Steps in the dry lake bed) that the animations and collision are totally out of whack.
And while there are alot of people that can distighuish this, I know there are quite a few WoW haters out there who's first line is "It's for immature kiddies, it's cartoony". Quite frankly I have seen just as many immature peeps in EQ2 as in Wow, although there is quite a few older players that I've run across in EQ2.
I'm a sucker for nice graphics, but that shouldn't be the be-all for the game. To get back to the topic...if you want a game for the long haul it's worth buying the games and playing the first month free. I think you'd get your monies worth after a month and then you can decide. Peoples opinions are definately going to be skewed if you ask in a specific game forum. I've tried and it doesn't work.
Wow, I'm surprised no one has said try Eve yet. I'm not, but usually that's what the forums boils to a head about...heheh.
And remember good sir, we are not talking about gameplay... Whether the gameplay is realistic or cartoony is another matter. We are simply talking about the way things look. Possibly you could stop trying to go off topic, and stick to the discussion on hand.
You is it possible to apply the definiton of realism or of realistic to the way a computer game looks? so i assumed you were refering to gameplay.
Untill the day gfx in computer games manage to reach the cgi special effects in hollywood movies, untill then, we cant even begin to think of aplying the realistic or realism tags to the way any game looks. At least thats what i think.
Ah but see, we are not saying if it looks real or not... We are saying which one looks closer to being real. Thus the word realistic applies to whatever graphics we are looking at. I can tell you that the game that looks closes to realism is www.projectoffset.com But as far as graphics go between WoW and EQ2, EQ2 is CLOSER to looking real than WoW.
Now let me make sure some people understand this, and I am sure I can speak for the most of us. We aren't saying the graphics in WoW are bad, they are just diffrent to any game out there. I have played both EQ2 (though EQ2 not as much as WoW) and think both are great and both have their flaws, but in the end as far as gameplay goes they are two WAY diffrent games and shouldn't even have a comparison.
[quote]Originally posted by 4tw.Krinn [b]And remember good sir, we are not talking about gameplay... Whether the gameplay is realistic or cartoony is another matter. We are simply talking about the way things look. Possibly you could stop trying to go off topic, and stick to the discussion on hand. [/quote]
Funny I thought the title of the thread was "Eq2 or Wow?" and the OP was asking which one he should check out.
If graphics are important then it is relevent, if realism is important then it's relevant, and if gameplay is important then that's relevant. Just depends on what a person is interested in ..
Originally posted by Kem0sabe As a last note, i would like to apolagise for my behavior yesterday on christmas eve, i let it get out of hand and insulted you Jodokai without having cause for it, i wish you the best of hollidays and i think we can agree that we disagree on alot of topics. Its christmas afterall.
Mud was thrown from both sides of the fence. I too made attacks that were childish and uncalled for. Thank you for your apology, and I too am sorry for the attacks.
This is a personal opinion but I played WoW foe 3 months and it was nice and fun at the beginning, but after 3 months I was tired about it. It has so simple contents that you can only PVP pot kill mobs but nothing else. So I moved to EQ2 and I personally prefer it.
1.- The EQ2 tradeskill is far beyond the wow one. In EQ2 is quit fun (and useful) to harvest and increase tradeskills. In WoW that was meaningless.
2.- In EQ2 you have much wider variety of races and professions
3.- The EQ2 community is nicer tham WoW (At last in the server where i was)
4.- In EQ2 moving along the map is quite fast. In WoW you spend lot of time riding from one place to another.
5.- The EQ2 guild system is more developed than in WoW. There is guild XP too, there is a guild bank to share things between guildies, you can achieve special items based on guild level, etc. Those things did not exist in WoW (at last when I was playing it)
The only weak point of EQ2 in my opinion is the fact it doesnt had PVP and I like it a lot, but that will be fixed in next expansion on feb 21th ( one point for SOE) so, if I had to decice, EQ2 with no question.
lol@arguements about whether WoW is cartoony. Graphics are the least important element in any game, one could argue that SWG has fantastic graphics (which it does), but no-one remembers that about it heh. Great graphics with poor gameplay, you remember the poor gameplay.
WoW is cartoonish, because models use less decals/polys than EQ2 and there is hardly any effects of not. You can smash a wall down in EQ2 and mountain climb . Unless you have a powerful PC animation in EQ2 can be sluggish or you can always turn a few options off. A small criticism is that gfx engine still needs tweaking i.e. iron out bugs and reduce memory leakage. WoW's animation looks smooth because your gfx card has less to do. For 1 thing, all models have a set height, something as simple as that will affect how big you make door entrances, what size mounts you have - it all adds up. thing I'll stop or I could waffle on about collision detection .
Originally posted by Hashman lol@arguements about whether WoW is cartoony. Graphics are the least important element in any game, one could argue that SWG has fantastic graphics (which it does), but no-one remembers that about it heh. Great graphics with poor gameplay, you remember the poor gameplay. WoW is cartoonish, because models use less decals/polys than EQ2 and there is hardly any effects of not. You can smash a wall down in EQ2 and mountain climb . Unless you have a powerful PC animation in EQ2 can be sluggish or you can always turn a few options off. A small criticism is that gfx engine still needs tweaking i.e. iron out bugs and reduce memory leakage. WoW's animation looks smooth because your gfx card has less to do. For 1 thing, all models have a set height, something as simple as that will affect how big you make door entrances, what size mounts you have - it all adds up. thing I'll stop or I could waffle on about collision detection .
For those that complain that eq2 is sluggish, either get a new graphics card, or you need to enjoy the game in bad graphics, the devs made a smart move on graphics as eq2's graphics will be good for many years, but WoW is already out-dated.
Thats the bottom line, EQ was way ahead of its time also, and there graphics can actually compete with WoW and the game is 7 years old!!!
I currently play WoW but my fun with it is limited... I tried EQ2 trial once but I think I was limited to some boring island. I keep hearing that it continues to improve alot... It makes me wonder if it will be worth checking out.
I just heard that it was crap compared to SWG when it comes to the social and crafting and community and stuff. meh... the new expansion looks sick though. I heard the EQ2 devs were nice guys though. Its just to bad that they work for such a greedy expansion happy company like SOE.
WoW is a great game no doubt in my mind about it. That being said I have quit WoW and am now playing EQ2, You need a good comp tho if you dont want it to look like horrible.
I dont really think you can go wrong with either one.
I found WoW easy to get into and get going, there's friendly feel to the interface and the game runs smoothly even on a low powered machine. EQ2 goes for realism but lacks any soul that actually makes you feel that you are in a supposed real world. EQ2 is far more complicated but forces you to do things that you might not want to. The interface in EQ2 is huge and ungainly, I hated it. I adjusted as much of it as I could only to have it completely reset at teh next patch. As for updates and patches I don;t think that in teh two weeks I gave the gave that there was a time when the game was not updating every time that I played it. The zoning stinks. You cant go more than a few yards without having to load up the next zone - this is a real chore. WoW just smoothly travels from one area to another. It's more fun and easier to play. I actually EQ more satisfying to play although it has teh same faults as EQ2 with the ugly interface and chunk feel.
In case you're wondering I have a mid range system to play on, P4 2ghz 1.5 gb ram Radeon 9600 graphics card, it's reasonable and runs well. On a top end system EQ2 is stunning but still has the huge clunky interface. My choice of game is WoW though I will keep on trying at EQ 1 and 2 to see where they go as the game progresses.
At the end of teh day it's all down to personal choice and what you want out of a game. There is no best game only personal favourites. For me that is WoW as I don't have a great deal of time to throw at a game which EQ2 needs. You pay the money you make the choice and live with it.
I havent found the interface to be bad although there are some awsome custom interfaces to be found at this site www.eq2interface.com
Although yes As blizzard always does they game is smooth right down to the login screen. I think its one of the reasons blizzard has done so well over the years. Its that everything in there games is polished right down to the smallest bit of the interface. Pluss the fact that they never stress the limits of technology they make sure everyone can play it. Its one of the reasons im a big fan of Blizzard, you almost never have to worry about not being able to play one of their games
not that thats a big worry for me anymore for awhile Pentium D 2.8 2 Gigs of ram Asus Extreme X800 Its gunna be awhile before I have to much trouble
Originally posted by emecbe I found WoW easy to get into and get going, there's friendly feel to the interface and teh game runs smothly even on a low powered machine. EQ2 goes for realism buck lacks any soul that actually makes you feel that you are in a supposed real world. EQ2 is far more complicated but foces you to do things that you might not want to. The interface in EQ2 is huge and ungainly, I hated it. I adjusted as much of it as I could only to have it completely reset at teh next patch. As for updates and patches I don;t think that in teh two weeks I gave the gave that there was a time when the game was not updating everytime that I played it. The zoning stinks. You cant go more than a few yards without having to load up the next zone - this is a real chore. WoW just smoothly travels from one area to another. It's more fun and easier to play. I actually EQ more satisfying to play although it has teh same faults as EQ2 with the ugly interface and chunk feel. In case you're wondering I have a mid range system to play on, P4 2ghz 1.5 gb ram Radeon 9600 graphics card, it's reasonable and runs well. On a top end system EQ2 is stunning but still has the huge clunky interface. My choice of game is WoW though I will keep on trying at EQ 1 and 2 to see where they go as the game progresses. At the end of teh day it's all down to personal choice and what you want out of a game. There is no wbest game only personal favourites. For me that is WoW as I don't have a great deal of time to throw at a game which EQ2 needs. You pay the money you make the choice and live with it.
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Cartoony -
a. A drawing depicting a humorous situation, often accompanied by a caption.
b. A drawing representing current public figures or issues symbolically and often satirically: a political cartoon.
2. A preliminary sketch similar in size to the work, such as a fresco, that is to be copied from it.
3. An animated cartoon.
4. A comic strip.
5. A ridiculously oversimplified or stereotypical representation: criticized the actor's portrayal of Jefferson as a historically inaccurate cartoon.
v. car·tooned, car·toon·ing, car·toons
v.tr.
To draw a humorous or satirical representation of; caricature.
v.intr.
To make humorous or satirical drawings.
I can realy see the blizzard execs with that list in their hands reading it point by point and saying " we must have this or do that"
As i said time and again, cartoony is a situation or a prespective, to define a game cartoony, is simply wrong.
Another thing, and try not to confuse your self too much Jodokai, DnD elfs are nothing like tolkiens elfs, for one, they are shorter, they come in an absurd number of skin colours and some even have wings.
Read tolkiens works and then read DnDs source books, i do admit that a very general idea was taken from tolkiens books, as tolkien also streched the nature of the original scandinavian elfs when he created his.
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Personally I'd rather see admin put a stop to game A vs game B threads. It's..just..stupid and the most obvious form of trolling. Mind you, that would make these forums pretty empty.
"Eq2´s elfs (non SOGA) are unlike any i have seen, including EQ1´s, the males look horrible and the females look like a bad genetic experiment without any proportion in their figure, could i say that EQ2 has cartoony gfx because every female in the game has extremly large breasts?"
You know what I find funny about that, is that you said that there is no basis on what Elves looked like. Who says that Elves had the genetics to have small breasts? No one said that they had the genes to have big ones... but what you just said contradicts some of your other points. So maybe check what you said vs what you say for more accurate information.
Next.. if you going to put the definition for cartoon/cartoony maybe you should put the definition for realistic/realism.
Realistic:
Hmmm now does WoW fit those? Maybe in some small forms, but it seems that EQ2 fits that MUCH more than WoW does.
It makes really wonder if that when you walk outside you see everything in WoW form, cause if you do load me up some of those pills please.
Krinn~
SHOW ME THE FACTS!
Bringing realism and realistic into this discussion would not serve much of a purpouse, as its a Fantasy setting where none of the laws that those 2 definitions function by are present in a reliable manner.
All of the laws of physics are skewed, so, is it "cartoony" for a character to swim in full armor or jump 3 feet off the ground in full armor? is it "cartoony" for a character to take repeated blows by an axe without imediate death? or never feeel hunger or any number of things?
IF we are going to label a game cartoony by looks alone, then all fantasy games are cartoony, the SOGA and non SOGA models in EQ2 show that, with huge breasts anorexic legs, the models in WoW show that also, with their bodies out of proportion.
Remmenber when the coyote in road runner was smaked around by all those acme inventions? we laughed and thought that was a great cartoon situation, same unreal things happen everytime your character takes a 100 feet fall off a cliff and looses 50% of their health, or gets hit by a fireball and isnt scorched.
In writen fantasy worlds, like tolkiens or George Martins works, the authors can take away that cartoony feelings by using many of the laws of nature that govern our own world, but in computer game form, we loose all that. Lets keep off the labels and just see games as they are, entertainment without any pretence of realism.
All ur Mountain Dew is belong to me.
On a personal level, I would somewhat disagree that you should play solely what your friends like. While it is better for discussion purposes I find it often a pain to have to be tied down to what the schedule of your friends are. Additionally if for some reason you play more or less than your friends, then you get into the left behind and/or the hold back leveling senarios. On the other hand, you never have as much trouble finding a party. I guess it's just a matter of personal taste. I see friends and co-workers all the time...I don't necessarily want to always group with them.
Honestly I would say most games have thier pros and cons. WoW is definately more casual, so if you just play a little then the game is simply great. EQ2 is great too but can be quite a time sink, but it requires a bit more time (IMO)
And my one question: How do the laws of phisiscs have anything what-so-ever to do with the way something looks?
Look I don't know why, but for some reason you seem to have taken offense to the word "Cartoony" and feel like arguing about it. The fact that you fly off on tangents and start talking about physics or "cartoony feel" shows you have no real argument against it, you just want to argue about it.
No one said WoW "feels" cartoony, we (we being about 5 million people)simply said it LOOKS cartoony. This has nothing to do with physics or the way something feels or casting fireballs or anything else. If you look at a still picture of a human in WoW, it looks more like a cartoon and less realistic than a human does in EQ2. No one is saying it is a bad thing, and no one is knocking Blizzard for it. I think the style was the perfect choice for the game, which is also introduces more humor into it and doesn't take itself as seriously as EQ2 tries to.
The artists at WoW took a more animated approach to their art. They didn't try to make it look realistic, and I'm sure even Bilizzard would tell you this. It is simply a style they choose. It is obvious in EQ2 the developers did everything they could to make it look as if it could really exsist in the real world.
I mean just compare the humans. In WoW they look much more like they were drawn for a cartoon, in EQ2 you can tell they attempted realism.
As you can see, i was responding to the relalism/realistic post, thats why i brought physichs to the table, was whats real or what atempts to look or be real has everything to do with physics.
I see many people on the internet that think that WoW is for less mature players or that its an inferior game because of the way it looks, im not saying its you or anyone in specific, but they are out there as you well know. I do take issue with that, i dont think the art style blizzard devs chose to follow in their game is a statement of immaturity or lack of quality, i have seen many of the old EQlive players sneer at WoW because of it. As a former EQlive and UO player i feel like WoW has been the closest game to copy the old EQ feel and mechanics and am bothered by the hypocrasy when WoW plays exactly like a supped up EQ.
Sorry about the detour above, now back to topic, i was taking offense for something i should not, people can call WoW cartoony all the want, but there is a destinction between between understanding why blizzard went for a more animated feel and bashing a game because it looks "cartoony". I know that you didnt do that Jodokai, your issues with WoW are on other areas, but many on the curled upper lip side of the line feel that way.
As a last note, i would like to apolagise for my behavior yesterday on christmas eve, i let it get out of hand and insulted you Jodokai without having cause for it, i wish you the best of hollidays and i think we can agree that we disagree on alot of topics.
Its christmas afterall.
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I find it amusing the fact that people automatically assume because it is cartoony that it is childlike and less realistic. It's just the artstyle that they chose to create the world in. As far as realism goes, the more realistic a game is the more glaring the problems are apparent. There have been so many times that my EQ2 characters has been fighting or running on a side of a cliff (like Thundering Steps in the dry lake bed) that the animations and collision are totally out of whack.
And while there are alot of people that can distighuish this, I know there are quite a few WoW haters out there who's first line is "It's for immature kiddies, it's cartoony". Quite frankly I have seen just as many immature peeps in EQ2 as in Wow, although there is quite a few older players that I've run across in EQ2.
I'm a sucker for nice graphics, but that shouldn't be the be-all for the game. To get back to the topic...if you want a game for the long haul it's worth buying the games and playing the first month free. I think you'd get your monies worth after a month and then you can decide. Peoples opinions are definately going to be skewed if you ask in a specific game forum. I've tried and it doesn't work.
Wow, I'm surprised no one has said try Eve yet. I'm not, but usually that's what the forums boils to a head about...heheh.
And remember good sir, we are not talking about gameplay... Whether the gameplay is realistic or cartoony is another matter. We are simply talking about the way things look. Possibly you could stop trying to go off topic, and stick to the discussion on hand.
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You is it possible to apply the definiton of realism or of realistic to the way a computer game looks? so i assumed you were refering to gameplay.
Untill the day gfx in computer games manage to reach the cgi special effects in hollywood movies, untill then, we cant even begin to think of aplying the realistic or realism tags to the way any game looks. At least thats what i think.
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Ah but see, we are not saying if it looks real or not... We are saying which one looks closer to being real. Thus the word realistic applies to whatever graphics we are looking at. I can tell you that the game that looks closes to realism is www.projectoffset.com But as far as graphics go between WoW and EQ2, EQ2 is CLOSER to looking real than WoW.
Now let me make sure some people understand this, and I am sure I can speak for the most of us. We aren't saying the graphics in WoW are bad, they are just diffrent to any game out there. I have played both EQ2 (though EQ2 not as much as WoW) and think both are great and both have their flaws, but in the end as far as gameplay goes they are two WAY diffrent games and shouldn't even have a comparison.
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[quote]Originally posted by 4tw.Krinn
[b]And remember good sir, we are not talking about gameplay... Whether the gameplay is realistic or cartoony is another matter. We are simply talking about the way things look. Possibly you could stop trying to go off topic, and stick to the discussion on hand.
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Funny I thought the title of the thread was "Eq2 or Wow?" and the OP was asking which one he should check out.
If graphics are important then it is relevent, if realism is important then it's relevant, and if gameplay is important then that's relevant. Just depends on what a person is interested in ..
This is a personal opinion but I played WoW foe 3 months and it was nice and fun at the beginning, but after 3 months I was tired about it. It has so simple contents that you can only PVP pot kill mobs but nothing else. So I moved to EQ2 and I personally prefer it.
1.- The EQ2 tradeskill is far beyond the wow one. In EQ2 is quit fun (and useful) to harvest and increase tradeskills. In WoW that was meaningless.
2.- In EQ2 you have much wider variety of races and professions
3.- The EQ2 community is nicer tham WoW (At last in the server where i was)
4.- In EQ2 moving along the map is quite fast. In WoW you spend lot of time riding from one place to another.
5.- The EQ2 guild system is more developed than in WoW. There is guild XP too, there is a guild bank to share things between guildies, you can achieve special items based on guild level, etc. Those things did not exist in WoW (at last when I was playing it)
The only weak point of EQ2 in my opinion is the fact it doesnt had PVP and I like it a lot, but that will be fixed in next expansion on feb 21th (
one point for SOE) so, if I had to decice, EQ2 with no question.
lol@arguements about whether WoW is cartoony. Graphics are the least important element in any game, one could argue that SWG has fantastic graphics (which it does), but no-one remembers that about it heh. Great graphics with poor gameplay, you remember the poor gameplay.
WoW is cartoonish, because models use less decals/polys than EQ2 and there is hardly any effects of not. You can smash a wall down in EQ2 and mountain climb
. Unless you have a powerful PC animation in EQ2 can be sluggish or you can always turn a few options off. A small criticism is that gfx engine still needs tweaking i.e. iron out bugs and reduce memory leakage. WoW's animation looks smooth because your gfx card has less to do. For 1 thing, all models have a set height, something as simple as that will affect how big you make door entrances, what size mounts you have - it all adds up. thing I'll stop or I could waffle on about collision detection 
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For those that complain that eq2 is sluggish, either get a new graphics card, or you need to enjoy the game in bad graphics, the devs made a smart move on graphics as eq2's graphics will be good for many years, but WoW is already out-dated.
Thats the bottom line, EQ was way ahead of its time also, and there graphics can actually compete with WoW and the game is 7 years old!!!
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I currently play WoW but my fun with it is limited... I tried EQ2 trial once but I think I was limited to some boring island. I keep hearing that it continues to improve alot... It makes me wonder if it will be worth checking out.
I just heard that it was crap compared to SWG when it comes to the social and crafting and community and stuff. meh... the new expansion looks sick though. I heard the EQ2 devs were nice guys though. Its just to bad that they work for such a greedy expansion happy company like SOE.
WoW is a great game no doubt in my mind about it. That being said I have quit WoW and am now playing EQ2, You need a good comp tho if you dont want it to look like horrible.
I dont really think you can go wrong with either one.
I found WoW easy to get into and get going, there's friendly feel to the interface and the game runs smoothly even on a low powered machine. EQ2 goes for realism but lacks any soul that actually makes you feel that you are in a supposed real world. EQ2 is far more complicated but forces you to do things that you might not want to. The interface in EQ2 is huge and ungainly, I hated it. I adjusted as much of it as I could only to have it completely reset at teh next patch. As for updates and patches I don;t think that in teh two weeks I gave the gave that there was a time when the game was not updating every time that I played it. The zoning stinks. You cant go more than a few yards without having to load up the next zone - this is a real chore. WoW just smoothly travels from one area to another. It's more fun and easier to play. I actually EQ more satisfying to play although it has teh same faults as EQ2 with the ugly interface and chunk feel.
In case you're wondering I have a mid range system to play on, P4 2ghz 1.5 gb ram Radeon 9600 graphics card, it's reasonable and runs well. On a top end system EQ2 is stunning but still has the huge clunky interface. My choice of game is WoW though I will keep on trying at EQ 1 and 2 to see where they go as the game progresses.
At the end of teh day it's all down to personal choice and what you want out of a game. There is no best game only personal favourites. For me that is WoW as I don't have a great deal of time to throw at a game which EQ2 needs. You pay the money you make the choice and live with it.
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I havent found the interface to be bad although there are some awsome custom interfaces to be found at this site www.eq2interface.com
Although yes As blizzard always does they game is smooth right down to the login screen. I think its one of the reasons blizzard has done so well over the years. Its that everything in there games is polished right down to the smallest bit of the interface. Pluss the fact that they never stress the limits of technology they make sure everyone can play it. Its one of the reasons im a big fan of Blizzard, you almost never have to worry about not being able to play one of their games
not that thats a big worry for me anymore for awhile
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