Lucasarts knows jack about RPGS it isn't their stock and trade . Who do you think it was that came up with the NGE ? If anything they decide on this kind of gameplay because it is what they know . Action oriented games are what LA does . I don't see how this could be a great thing on a gameplay front . They know Star Wars in and out , so maybe timelines can get a fix the story ingame would be more indepth . BUt the gameplay would be like battlefront .
The original designers of SWG were from SOE their vision was great , LA is what ruined SWG from what i have heard over the years . They made SOE add Jedi , They made SOE focus on Jedi . Why do you think the Original team left ? Everyone knows the best system SWG had was pre pub 9 . After pub 9 the game started on a downward spiral .. Only question is how deep is the hole they have plunged into .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by Malickiebloo The original designers of SWG were from SOE their vision was great , LA is what ruined SWG from what i have heard over the years . They made SOE add Jedi , They made SOE focus on Jedi . Why do you think the Original team left ? Everyone knows the best system SWG had was pre pub 9 . After pub 9 the game started on a downward spiral .. Only question is how deep is the hole they have plunged into .
Uh-oh I hope you have your flame retadant underwear on. People don't like to hear that. You Geroge Lucas wrote a story they all like, so anything asscociated with him couldn't POSSIBLY have any faults. It all HAS to be SOE. Don't look at all the abysmal games LucasArts has released, you're just confusing the issue with facts (people don't like that either). Just repeat what everyone else says "SOE is da Devil"
just when I thought my day couldn't get any better you post this, SOE being dumped and a possible pre-CU SWG back !! WOOHOO.
The pessimist in me believes if it seems to good to be true, it probably is
And as that Torres chap who instigated the NGE is an LA guy, I think I will remain well clear of SWG, and anything else developed by SOE or LA from now on.
Would love to go back to SWG if it was ever returned to pre-CU, but for me it is tainted goods now, too much history to trust LA again, lets not forget that they supported this NGE mess in the first place.
I urge all of you guys to bear that in mind if a pre-NGE version, free of SOE does materialise.
Originally posted by Malickiebloo The original designers of SWG were from SOE their vision was great , LA is what ruined SWG from what i have heard over the years . They made SOE add Jedi , They made SOE focus on Jedi . Why do you think the Original team left ? Everyone knows the best system SWG had was pre pub 9 . After pub 9 the game started on a downward spiral .. Only question is how deep is the hole they have plunged into .
Uh-oh I hope you have your flame retadant underwear on. People don't like to hear that. You Geroge Lucas wrote a story they all like, so anything asscociated with him couldn't POSSIBLY have any faults. It all HAS to be SOE. Don't look at all the abysmal games LucasArts has released, you're just confusing the issue with facts (people don't like that either). Just repeat what everyone else says "SOE is da Devil"
Most of us are not blind Jodokai, we know that LA and Lucas himself are not saints. I know that Greedo didn't shoot first, I know that Darth Vader was not supposed to be Darth Timberlake! As for games I know how they screwed up KOTOR 2 and others. I'm certain a lot of the intelligent decisions that have brought this game to it's current state must be LA related. But there's also no denying that SOE has handled this game with the outmost incompetence. There's no way that the bugs, customer service and other nasties can be blamed on LA.
SOE knows what you like... You don't! And don't forget... I am forcing you to read this!
I know LA aren't saints. Their input was responsible for the Jedi and their pressure made the nge happen.
But it was $OE's CODING THAT WAS FLAWED. It was THEIR EXECUTION that made the game suck.
Look, LA running pre-cu code might not be paradise, but it SURE is better then the hell SWG is in now.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Originally posted by bareshdraco Damn Shade, just when I thought my day couldn't get any better you post this, SOE being dumped and a possible pre-CU SWG back !! WOOHOO. The pessimist in me believes if it seems to good to be true, it probably is And as that Torres chap who instigated the NGE is an LA guy, I think I will remain well clear of SWG, and anything else developed by SOE or LA from now on. Would love to go back to SWG if it was ever returned to pre-CU, but for me it is tainted goods now, too much history to trust LA again, lets not forget that they supported this NGE mess in the first place. I urge all of you guys to bear that in mind if a pre-NGE version, free of SOE does materialise. sorry to be such a grouch about it guys
Don't get too excited....these are all Rumors. And the way SOE is acting it seems like they plan to keep SWG for years. But who ever knows, the community is always left in the dark until anything happens for real.....
Though folks hold up pre cu as the best; none of us need to go down historys row to remind folks of afk macro camped cnet spawns, squill caves, any place that static spawn was random camped, it is how it was done...Shoot any server starting in Bestine had folks camped out there
2nd the biggest thread on the disscusion boards hate to say it but before the game launched and for months afterwords was how to be a jedi
if the mystery was removed since it was with cu and then all together with nge what is there to work for pre cu ? Remember how awful hunting was with no loot yeek bones hides was it
Would the game be ok if they could bring 5 - 10 servers back limited support? How many folks would go back after passing this one by moving on?
As someone metioned Tablu Rasa is suppose to come forth in a few years as another sci fi skill based game open ended, sometimes fresh start is a better choice
I am just not sure how many folks would return to this mess especaily the ones that stayed till nge and only after nge finaly gave the up the ghost.........
Many of us have some great memories and moments in swg it could have been longer but that is water under the bridge at this point.
At Cu i made a toon on bria and ahazi and chillstra stayed primarly with SS but with nge and the way it is, it is just hard for me now to log in seeing the game in it's current in carnation
Would i go back? Maybe the multi skill set truely rocked, so did the people and big groups but if they are not there then the game won't be the same experaince either........
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I don't even know if it (this rumor) is true, but I heard it from multiple sources.
The rumor is so easy to believe that I think it is getting more steam than normal. I hope it is true.. hell, I'd bet a great percentage of the lost vets pray it is true... even a great deal still playing.
We won't know anything until it happens. The only people who could confirm it is Lucasarts, and THEY have almost no communication AT ALL with the community.
So much is coming out from people leaving $OE or interviewing with LA and $OE... but zero is confirmed. The only reason I brought it up was that 2 sources said that there was a survey going out from LA about what server (ruleset) is most popular. The vocal types are split on pre-cu or cu servers, but they are only united against the nge. They said a survey was going out to ask that... and that DID happen. That's what sparked me to go foreward with what I heard.
I hoped that the post might shake the monkey tree a bit.. hell, I'd post it on the $OE boards if I could. Had one e-mail that I was "dead on" but I had no idea who that was from or if it was just opinion.
The main problem is that both sides are pointing the finger at the other. $OE believes they did the right thing, LA believes they did the right thing. Their accountants tell them a different story. $OE believes the whole fiasco made them look horrible and tarnished their image.. and LA pushed it on them. They don't WANT to continue the relationship further, especially an unprofitable one. LA believes $OE dropped the ball on the coding, the bugs, and the design... yet another of $OE's mishandlings of the franchise. Who is right? They probably both are.
With the business world the way it is, LA knows that for there to be an SWG2, they really need to make SWG1 look less like a failure. Really... would there have been an EQ2 if EQ failed? Sure, they could do re-designs like they did for other LA games... but the MMORPG market is small and they have a long memory. They could come out of this looking like a company that gives a damn if they turn into the skid and give us all what we want.
Right now you have a problem at the top. The heads of $OE don't even know why they screwed it up. The heads at LA only knew enough to be dangerous. LA still thinks they might be able to salvage this... I think $OE is just about to cut and run.
But we'll see. Sooner rather than later.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
If LA didn't like what happened, why did they approve of the NGE and let it be released? Why is it that LA are heavily promoting the game now, more then they ever did pre-CU and during the CU?
Originally posted by Obraik If LA didn't like what happened, why did they approve of the NGE and let it be released? Why is it that LA are heavily promoting the game now, more then they ever did pre-CU and during the CU?
Because they were drinking the same Kool-aid Smed was. They actually convinced themselves that the nge would work. They know better now. They've been proven wrong. Now they are trying to figure out what to do NOW.
And the ads are still despiration. They NEVER did promoton right. Smed saying they wanted a "soft release" was their first mistake.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Im taking names for a big I told you so post for those that believe LA and SOE are parting ways. They arent, and in all likelihood SOE is planning SWG2.
February will come and go, SOE will still be working on SWG, and that will be that.
No roll-back, no new pre-cu servers. Nothing. Just business as usual.
BTW I see no-one has answered my question about whether or not that survey asked any questions regarding the NGE (If so, *specifically what was the question(s) and what were the choices)? I did not get all the way through the survey but from what I could tell it was mostly questions regarding expansions. The original poster removed the survey link so I can no longer go through it (please add it back for the sake of discussion).
In the next few months E3 roles around and the top-secret SOE Seattle project will be unveiled. This project is being specifically built from the ground up to use Smeds absurd Velvet Rope model.
Yes. It did. The first 2/3 were about the expansion, and the last third was all about what game system you preferred, if you still play and if you quit, why.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Originally posted by duncan_922 There's no way that the bugs, customer service and other nasties can be blamed on LA.
I'll agree with you on the Customer Service, all SOE there (and not atypical either) but I can prove the bugs can be laid equally (if not more so) at LA's feet:
Guess who sets deadlines for games? Meaning Patches, fixes, expansions content etc. Give up? It's the games producer that sets the deadlines. Guess who the producer for SWG works for? Yep LucasArts. So the concept of deadlines being more important than quality can be attributed to the producer and therefore LucasArts.
Then there is the simple matter of Quality Assurence. It's QA's job to make sure bugs don't make it live. Guess who the lead QA tester works for? Right again, LucasArts.
So anyway you slice it, EVERYTHING in SWG is either both their faults or neither of their faults.
canceled my account 4 days ago, yesterday i get a big email with EVERYTHING thats gonna be in publish 27 by the looks of that dont think they are going to be working on anything else but who knows. I just hope i am wrong in everyway possible never wished to be more then at this point....hate that dam nge just....dam them all.
Originally posted by duncan_922 There's no way that the bugs, customer service and other nasties can be blamed on LA.
I'll agree with you on the Customer Service, all SOE there (and not atypical either) but I can prove the bugs can be laid equally (if not more so) at LA's feet:
Guess who sets deadlines for games? Meaning Patches, fixes, expansions content etc. Give up? It's the games producer that sets the deadlines. Guess who the producer for SWG works for? Yep LucasArts. So the concept of deadlines being more important than quality can be attributed to the producer and therefore LucasArts.
Then there is the simple matter of Quality Assurence. It's QA's job to make sure bugs don't make it live. Guess who the lead QA tester works for? Right again, LucasArts.
So anyway you slice it, EVERYTHING in SWG is either both their faults or neither of their faults.
You have a point there, specially since I don't know about that Quality Assurance team, so I'll take your word on it. But as for bugs and deadlines? You can't possibly be saying that SOE can't fix the bugs in this game because LA is setting deadlines on them that prevent them from doing so, right? Specially when Smed gloats about having "the biggest development team in the business at 70 developers. Are you saying that?!
SOE knows what you like... You don't! And don't forget... I am forcing you to read this!
Originally posted by duncan_922 There's no way that the bugs, customer service and other nasties can be blamed on LA.
I'll agree with you on the Customer Service, all SOE there (and not atypical either) but I can prove the bugs can be laid equally (if not more so) at LA's feet:
Guess who sets deadlines for games? Meaning Patches, fixes, expansions content etc. Give up? It's the games producer that sets the deadlines. Guess who the producer for SWG works for? Yep LucasArts. So the concept of deadlines being more important than quality can be attributed to the producer and therefore LucasArts.
Then there is the simple matter of Quality Assurence. It's QA's job to make sure bugs don't make it live. Guess who the lead QA tester works for? Right again, LucasArts.
So anyway you slice it, EVERYTHING in SWG is either both their faults or neither of their faults.
You have a point there, specially since I don't know about that Quality Assurance team, so I'll take your word on it. But as for bugs and deadlines? You can't possibly be saying that SOE can't fix the bugs in this game because LA is setting deadlines on them that prevent them from doing so, right? Specially when Smed gloats about having "the biggest development team in the business at 70 developers. Are you saying that?!
Yes, but LA is also presuring them for expansions, so at least half of them are probably working on that.
Originally posted by duncan_922 There's no way that the bugs, customer service and other nasties can be blamed on LA.
I'll agree with you on the Customer Service, all SOE there (and not atypical either) but I can prove the bugs can be laid equally (if not more so) at LA's feet:
Guess who sets deadlines for games? Meaning Patches, fixes, expansions content etc. Give up? It's the games producer that sets the deadlines. Guess who the producer for SWG works for? Yep LucasArts. So the concept of deadlines being more important than quality can be attributed to the producer and therefore LucasArts.
Then there is the simple matter of Quality Assurence. It's QA's job to make sure bugs don't make it live. Guess who the lead QA tester works for? Right again, LucasArts.
So anyway you slice it, EVERYTHING in SWG is either both their faults or neither of their faults.
You have a point there, specially since I don't know about that Quality Assurance team, so I'll take your word on it. But as for bugs and deadlines? You can't possibly be saying that SOE can't fix the bugs in this game because LA is setting deadlines on them that prevent them from doing so, right? Specially when Smed gloats about having "the biggest development team in the business at 70 developers. Are you saying that?!
Yes, but LA is also presuring them for expansions, so at least half of them are probably working on that.
Even if this were true, you mean to tell me that after almost 3 years, 35 developers and we still rubberband, slide out of chairs, we don't have collision detection, etc????
SOE knows what you like... You don't! And don't forget... I am forcing you to read this!
So, taking a few steps back, the questionairre that was sent out only went to US customers?
Kinda worrying from a euro perspective, as I personally would like a say in my preferred version and reasons why I left the game. I only hope they expand the survey to europe before any decisions are made.
Shayde - thanks for posting this originally btw, good to know that perhaps it is sinking in with LA that nge is a big failure.
As a SOE all acess subscriber, I didn't get the e-mail, but that is probably because I haven't bought the Obi-Wan expansion pack. I have logged into SWG a few times in Nov and Dec to check out the NGE so I would think that my SWG acct would flag as active.
Originally posted by bareshdraco Shayde - thanks for posting this originally btw, good to know that perhaps it is sinking in with LA that nge is a big failure.
I sure hope so. There's a point where either you turn into the skid, or you spin out of control. I hope for the good of the game they realize the nge was a total failure and try to salvage this before it becomes unsalvageable.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Originally posted by Dis_Ordur They should change the logo of SWG to: "The least played MMO, and the most discussed on forums!"
LOL...you cracked me up on that one....you couldn't be more right.
However, this does say something. This tells me we WANT to play a SWG MMO. We just don't have one to play at the moment.
The SW license as an MMO is still a sleeping giant. Its current iteration is a a well concieved, badly managed abortion.
To the OP, I have learned long ago to put faith into these rumors...especially the ones posted by you. Thinking back, I can't think of any rumor, however bad or outlandish it sounded, that DIDN'T come true. Having said that, I hope this does come to pass. I would be willing to give it another shot if SOE is cast out of the picture....however, I do have my doubts on how much of the blame for the state of the game lies with LA....but for now, the bulk of the hatred is on SOE.
And if anyone from LA is reading this, I have a suggestion:
1) Go back to Pre-CU
2) Dig up all of the player documents in the old professions stickies.....read them....love them.....implement everything in them and balance it. ALL of the conceptual work for a fully functioning SWG combat system was done long ago by players....use it. You will then have one of the finest combat systems in existance.
3) Pick up multiple copies of every SW reference book in existance and buy every novel. Make your employees spend one hour a week during work reading this stuff. Then make SWG true to cannon. Give us Star Wars as it was meant to be. I.E. Holocrons are VERY VERY RARE in the post ep IV SW universe. They should be rare in the game also...not just some loot drop we use to recharge a force bar. Holocrons could perhaps be part of an epic quest where you get one. And this holocron speaks to you. Use the green frog from Guild Wars as an example. Put scripted speeches in there that change from time to time. This is just one idea of what you can do and stay within SW cannon.
4) Either eliminate Jedi all together as a PC class, or balance them with other unlockable uber classes. If the latter option is taken , then Bounty Hunter should be unlockable. Or better yet...do both. Have non-unlockable servers where no one is jedi...and have unlockable servers where there are hardcore alpha players running around.
5) You have a severely injured community. This will need tending to.
5) You have a severely injured community. This will need tending to.
I think 3 months free play for vets, or ensuring our pre-cu toons are restored (profession wise) and 1 months free gameplay would be a good starting place
As for jedi, I think they should remain in game, but much be much much more difficult to achieve. The pre-cu 'master all professions' method was seriously flawed. maybe implement a random requirement into every toon created that lists 5 professions in the order they need to be mastered. This list would not be accessible by the player. I think that would make it extremely rare to become a jedi as the chances of choosing the 5 random profs in the correct order would be extremely low. The addition of very rare holocrons that could offer a hint of the starting path would be useful. (Personally, pre-cu I had no interest at all in jedi. However, the post CU village quests, especially the defend the village was the best content in the game for me)
The books and SWG universe outside of the movies has jedi still, and in the more recent books, the jedi seem to be recovering to pre-clone wars numbers. It would be a real shame not to have that element of the SW world included in the game in some format.
I would come back to SWG if the game was rolled back to pre-cu. I had alot of fun playing back then and I was a major fanboy. Now when I log on I just run around for 5 minutes and log off. I know I can't be the only one that feels this way. I wish someone would listen to us and put the game back to what we consider fun and not what SOE or LA think is fun for us.
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Lucasarts knows jack about RPGS it isn't their stock and trade . Who do you think it was that came up with the NGE ? If anything they decide on this kind of gameplay because it is what they know . Action oriented games are what LA does . I don't see how this could be a great thing on a gameplay front . They know Star Wars in and out , so maybe timelines can get a fix the story ingame would be more indepth . BUt the gameplay would be like battlefront .
The original designers of SWG were from SOE their vision was great , LA is what ruined SWG from what i have heard over the years . They made SOE add Jedi , They made SOE focus on Jedi . Why do you think the Original team left ? Everyone knows the best system SWG had was pre pub 9 . After pub 9 the game started on a downward spiral .. Only question is how deep is the hole they have plunged into .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
SOE is a company of saints that can do no wrong. For example, look at EQ2's flawless game mechanics.
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Damn Shade,
just when I thought my day couldn't get any better you post this, SOE being dumped and a possible pre-CU SWG back !! WOOHOO.
The pessimist in me believes if it seems to good to be true, it probably is
And as that Torres chap who instigated the NGE is an LA guy, I think I will remain well clear of SWG, and anything else developed by SOE or LA from now on.
Would love to go back to SWG if it was ever returned to pre-CU, but for me it is tainted goods now, too much history to trust LA again, lets not forget that they supported this NGE mess in the first place.
I urge all of you guys to bear that in mind if a pre-NGE version, free of SOE does materialise.
sorry to be such a grouch about it guys
Most of us are not blind Jodokai, we know that LA and Lucas himself are not saints. I know that Greedo didn't shoot first, I know that Darth Vader was not supposed to be Darth Timberlake! As for games I know how they screwed up KOTOR 2 and others. I'm certain a lot of the intelligent decisions that have brought this game to it's current state must be LA related. But there's also no denying that SOE has handled this game with the outmost incompetence. There's no way that the bugs, customer service and other nasties can be blamed on LA.
SOE knows what you like... You don't!
And don't forget... I am forcing you to read this!
I know LA aren't saints. Their input was responsible for the Jedi and their pressure made the nge happen.
But it was $OE's CODING THAT WAS FLAWED. It was THEIR EXECUTION that made the game suck.
Look, LA running pre-cu code might not be paradise, but it SURE is better then the hell SWG is in now.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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Rumors are just that Rumors;
Though folks hold up pre cu as the best; none of us need to go down historys row to remind folks of afk macro camped cnet spawns, squill caves, any place that static spawn was random camped, it is how it was done...Shoot any server starting in Bestine had folks camped out there
2nd the biggest thread on the disscusion boards hate to say it but before the game launched and for months afterwords was how to be a jedi
if the mystery was removed since it was with cu and then all together with nge what is there to work for pre cu ? Remember how awful hunting was with no loot yeek bones hides was it
Would the game be ok if they could bring 5 - 10 servers back limited support? How many folks would go back after passing this one by moving on?
As someone metioned Tablu Rasa is suppose to come forth in a few years as another sci fi skill based game open ended, sometimes fresh start is a better choice
I am just not sure how many folks would return to this mess especaily the ones that stayed till nge and only after nge finaly gave the up the ghost.........
Many of us have some great memories and moments in swg it could have been longer but that is water under the bridge at this point.
At Cu i made a toon on bria and ahazi and chillstra stayed primarly with SS but with nge and the way it is, it is just hard for me now to log in seeing the game in it's current in carnation
Would i go back? Maybe the multi skill set truely rocked, so did the people and big groups but if they are not there then the game won't be the same experaince either........
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I don't even know if it (this rumor) is true, but I heard it from multiple sources.
The rumor is so easy to believe that I think it is getting more steam than normal. I hope it is true.. hell, I'd bet a great percentage of the lost vets pray it is true... even a great deal still playing.
We won't know anything until it happens. The only people who could confirm it is Lucasarts, and THEY have almost no communication AT ALL with the community.
So much is coming out from people leaving $OE or interviewing with LA and $OE... but zero is confirmed. The only reason I brought it up was that 2 sources said that there was a survey going out from LA about what server (ruleset) is most popular. The vocal types are split on pre-cu or cu servers, but they are only united against the nge. They said a survey was going out to ask that... and that DID happen. That's what sparked me to go foreward with what I heard.
I hoped that the post might shake the monkey tree a bit.. hell, I'd post it on the $OE boards if I could. Had one e-mail that I was "dead on" but I had no idea who that was from or if it was just opinion.
The main problem is that both sides are pointing the finger at the other. $OE believes they did the right thing, LA believes they did the right thing. Their accountants tell them a different story. $OE believes the whole fiasco made them look horrible and tarnished their image.. and LA pushed it on them. They don't WANT to continue the relationship further, especially an unprofitable one. LA believes $OE dropped the ball on the coding, the bugs, and the design... yet another of $OE's mishandlings of the franchise. Who is right? They probably both are.
With the business world the way it is, LA knows that for there to be an SWG2, they really need to make SWG1 look less like a failure. Really... would there have been an EQ2 if EQ failed? Sure, they could do re-designs like they did for other LA games... but the MMORPG market is small and they have a long memory. They could come out of this looking like a company that gives a damn if they turn into the skid and give us all what we want.
Right now you have a problem at the top. The heads of $OE don't even know why they screwed it up. The heads at LA only knew enough to be dangerous. LA still thinks they might be able to salvage this... I think $OE is just about to cut and run.
But we'll see. Sooner rather than later.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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Because they were drinking the same Kool-aid Smed was. They actually convinced themselves that the nge would work. They know better now. They've been proven wrong. Now they are trying to figure out what to do NOW.
And the ads are still despiration. They NEVER did promoton right. Smed saying they wanted a "soft release" was their first mistake.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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Im taking names for a big I told you so post for those that believe LA and SOE are parting ways. They arent, and in all likelihood SOE is planning SWG2.
February will come and go, SOE will still be working on SWG, and that will be that.
No roll-back, no new pre-cu servers. Nothing. Just business as usual.
BTW I see no-one has answered my question about whether or not that survey asked any questions regarding the NGE (If so, *specifically what was the question(s) and what were the choices)? I did not get all the way through the survey but from what I could tell it was mostly questions regarding expansions. The original poster removed the survey link so I can no longer go through it (please add it back for the sake of discussion).
In the next few months E3 roles around and the top-secret SOE Seattle project will be unveiled. This project is being specifically built from the ground up to use Smeds absurd Velvet Rope model.
Yes. It did. The first 2/3 were about the expansion, and the last third was all about what game system you preferred, if you still play and if you quit, why.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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I'll agree with you on the Customer Service, all SOE there (and not atypical either) but I can prove the bugs can be laid equally (if not more so) at LA's feet:
Guess who sets deadlines for games? Meaning Patches, fixes, expansions content etc. Give up? It's the games producer that sets the deadlines. Guess who the producer for SWG works for? Yep LucasArts. So the concept of deadlines being more important than quality can be attributed to the producer and therefore LucasArts.
Then there is the simple matter of Quality Assurence. It's QA's job to make sure bugs don't make it live. Guess who the lead QA tester works for? Right again, LucasArts.
So anyway you slice it, EVERYTHING in SWG is either both their faults or neither of their faults.
canceled my account 4 days ago, yesterday i get a big email with EVERYTHING thats gonna be in publish 27 by the looks of that dont think they are going to be working on anything else but who knows. I just hope i am wrong in everyway possible never wished to be more then at this point....hate that dam nge just....dam them all.
I'll agree with you on the Customer Service, all SOE there (and not atypical either) but I can prove the bugs can be laid equally (if not more so) at LA's feet:
Guess who sets deadlines for games? Meaning Patches, fixes, expansions content etc. Give up? It's the games producer that sets the deadlines. Guess who the producer for SWG works for? Yep LucasArts. So the concept of deadlines being more important than quality can be attributed to the producer and therefore LucasArts.
Then there is the simple matter of Quality Assurence. It's QA's job to make sure bugs don't make it live. Guess who the lead QA tester works for? Right again, LucasArts.
So anyway you slice it, EVERYTHING in SWG is either both their faults or neither of their faults.
You have a point there, specially since I don't know about that Quality Assurance team, so I'll take your word on it. But as for bugs and deadlines? You can't possibly be saying that SOE can't fix the bugs in this game because LA is setting deadlines on them that prevent them from doing so, right? Specially when Smed gloats about having "the biggest development team in the business at 70 developers. Are you saying that?!
SOE knows what you like... You don't!
And don't forget... I am forcing you to read this!
I'll agree with you on the Customer Service, all SOE there (and not atypical either) but I can prove the bugs can be laid equally (if not more so) at LA's feet:
Guess who sets deadlines for games? Meaning Patches, fixes, expansions content etc. Give up? It's the games producer that sets the deadlines. Guess who the producer for SWG works for? Yep LucasArts. So the concept of deadlines being more important than quality can be attributed to the producer and therefore LucasArts.
Then there is the simple matter of Quality Assurence. It's QA's job to make sure bugs don't make it live. Guess who the lead QA tester works for? Right again, LucasArts.
So anyway you slice it, EVERYTHING in SWG is either both their faults or neither of their faults.
You have a point there, specially since I don't know about that Quality Assurance team, so I'll take your word on it. But as for bugs and deadlines? You can't possibly be saying that SOE can't fix the bugs in this game because LA is setting deadlines on them that prevent them from doing so, right? Specially when Smed gloats about having "the biggest development team in the business at 70 developers. Are you saying that?!
Yes, but LA is also presuring them for expansions, so at least half of them are probably working on that.
I'll agree with you on the Customer Service, all SOE there (and not atypical either) but I can prove the bugs can be laid equally (if not more so) at LA's feet:
Guess who sets deadlines for games? Meaning Patches, fixes, expansions content etc. Give up? It's the games producer that sets the deadlines. Guess who the producer for SWG works for? Yep LucasArts. So the concept of deadlines being more important than quality can be attributed to the producer and therefore LucasArts.
Then there is the simple matter of Quality Assurence. It's QA's job to make sure bugs don't make it live. Guess who the lead QA tester works for? Right again, LucasArts.
So anyway you slice it, EVERYTHING in SWG is either both their faults or neither of their faults.
You have a point there, specially since I don't know about that Quality Assurance team, so I'll take your word on it. But as for bugs and deadlines? You can't possibly be saying that SOE can't fix the bugs in this game because LA is setting deadlines on them that prevent them from doing so, right? Specially when Smed gloats about having "the biggest development team in the business at 70 developers. Are you saying that?!
Yes, but LA is also presuring them for expansions, so at least half of them are probably working on that.
Even if this were true, you mean to tell me that after almost 3 years, 35 developers and we still rubberband, slide out of chairs, we don't have collision detection, etc????
SOE knows what you like... You don't!
And don't forget... I am forcing you to read this!
So, taking a few steps back, the questionairre that was sent out only went to US customers?
Kinda worrying from a euro perspective, as I personally would like a say in my preferred version and reasons why I left the game. I only hope they expand the survey to europe before any decisions are made.
Shayde - thanks for posting this originally btw, good to know that perhaps it is sinking in with LA that nge is a big failure.
As a SOE all acess subscriber, I didn't get the e-mail, but that is probably because I haven't bought the Obi-Wan expansion pack. I have logged into SWG a few times in Nov and Dec to check out the NGE so I would think that my SWG acct would flag as active.
I sure hope so. There's a point where either you turn into the skid, or you spin out of control. I hope for the good of the game they realize the nge was a total failure and try to salvage this before it becomes unsalvageable.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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LOL...you cracked me up on that one....you couldn't be more right.
However, this does say something. This tells me we WANT to play a SWG MMO. We just don't have one to play at the moment.
The SW license as an MMO is still a sleeping giant. Its current iteration is a a well concieved, badly managed abortion.
To the OP, I have learned long ago to put faith into these rumors...especially the ones posted by you. Thinking back, I can't think of any rumor, however bad or outlandish it sounded, that DIDN'T come true. Having said that, I hope this does come to pass. I would be willing to give it another shot if SOE is cast out of the picture....however, I do have my doubts on how much of the blame for the state of the game lies with LA....but for now, the bulk of the hatred is on SOE.
And if anyone from LA is reading this, I have a suggestion:
1) Go back to Pre-CU
2) Dig up all of the player documents in the old professions stickies.....read them....love them.....implement everything in them and balance it. ALL of the conceptual work for a fully functioning SWG combat system was done long ago by players....use it. You will then have one of the finest combat systems in existance.
3) Pick up multiple copies of every SW reference book in existance and buy every novel. Make your employees spend one hour a week during work reading this stuff. Then make SWG true to cannon. Give us Star Wars as it was meant to be. I.E. Holocrons are VERY VERY RARE in the post ep IV SW universe. They should be rare in the game also...not just some loot drop we use to recharge a force bar. Holocrons could perhaps be part of an epic quest where you get one. And this holocron speaks to you. Use the green frog from Guild Wars as an example. Put scripted speeches in there that change from time to time. This is just one idea of what you can do and stay within SW cannon.
4) Either eliminate Jedi all together as a PC class, or balance them with other unlockable uber classes. If the latter option is taken , then Bounty Hunter should be unlockable. Or better yet...do both. Have non-unlockable servers where no one is jedi...and have unlockable servers where there are hardcore alpha players running around.
5) You have a severely injured community. This will need tending to.
I think 3 months free play for vets, or ensuring our pre-cu toons are restored (profession wise) and 1 months free gameplay would be a good starting place
As for jedi, I think they should remain in game, but much be much much more difficult to achieve. The pre-cu 'master all professions' method was seriously flawed. maybe implement a random requirement into every toon created that lists 5 professions in the order they need to be mastered. This list would not be accessible by the player. I think that would make it extremely rare to become a jedi as the chances of choosing the 5 random profs in the correct order would be extremely low. The addition of very rare holocrons that could offer a hint of the starting path would be useful. (Personally, pre-cu I had no interest at all in jedi. However, the post CU village quests, especially the defend the village was the best content in the game for me)
The books and SWG universe outside of the movies has jedi still, and in the more recent books, the jedi seem to be recovering to pre-clone wars numbers. It would be a real shame not to have that element of the SW world included in the game in some format.
I want my pre-cu fencer back!
I would come back to SWG if the game was rolled back to pre-cu. I had alot of fun playing back then and I was a major fanboy. Now when I log on I just run around for 5 minutes and log off. I know I can't be the only one that feels this way. I wish someone would listen to us and put the game back to what we consider fun and not what SOE or LA think is fun for us.