Is my current toon gonna be preserved? or am I gonna have to start over?
I hope they can get the backups of the servers as of Nov 14th 2005 so I can continue where I left off, if not, I'm not sure I'd go back and start all over. I'd have to really think that over. I have 2 accounts, Alternate account is dead in the water, and my main account is dying as of Feb 10th. I really hope this rumor is true.
Originally posted by Nasindor Please tell me: Is my current toon gonna be preserved? or am I gonna have to start over? I hope they can get the backups of the servers as of Nov 14th 2005 so I can continue where I left off, if not, I'm not sure I'd go back and start all over. I'd have to really think that over. I have 2 accounts, Alternate account is dead in the water, and my main account is dying as of Feb 10th. I really hope this rumor is true.
No, it's not true. If it was ever done, it wouldn't be a rollback but a brand new server.
From my last time online, there only seems to be 20 people on any server at any one time. maintaining you char doesnt seem that difficult. Move it and all possessions to another server, they purge, rollback and you move back. Players that have left can swing back in, with little if any change. OK it's a dream, but a post CU rollback would be sweet.
Originally posted by digriz From my last time online, there only seems to be 20 people on any server at any one time. maintaining you char doesnt seem that difficult. Move it and all possessions to another server, they purge, rollback and you move back. Players that have left can swing back in, with little if any change. OK it's a dream, but a post CU rollback would be sweet.
That wouldn't work, not completely anyway. At the moment they can't move datapad items in server transfers due to technical limitations, so new players would lose all mounts, vehicles, ships, waypoints, schematics, etc.
Originally posted by Nasindor Please tell me:Is my current toon gonna be preserved? or am I gonna have to start over?I hope they can get the backups of the servers as of Nov 14th 2005 so I can continue where I left off, if not, I'm not sure I'd go back and start all over. I'd have to really think that over. I have 2 accounts, Alternate account is dead in the water, and my main account is dying as of Feb 10th. I really hope this rumor is true.
As with rumors, details are not totally laid out. When and if this happens, they will lay it all out. The only thing I read was that it really depended on what ruleset they decided on.
Pre-nge is an easy rollback. Pre-cu causes issues.
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Originally posted by digriz From my last time online, there only seems to be 20 people on any server at any one time. maintaining you char doesnt seem that difficult. Move it and all possessions to another server, they purge, rollback and you move back. Players that have left can swing back in, with little if any change. OK it's a dream, but a post CU rollback would be sweet.
That wouldn't work, not completely anyway. At the moment they can't move datapad items in server transfers due to technical limitations, so new players would lose all mounts, vehicles, ships, waypoints, schematics, etc.
"That wouldn't work, not completely anyway. At the moment they can't move datapad items in server transfers due to technical limitations, so new players would lose all mounts, vehicles, ships, waypoints, schematics, etc."
It kills me professionally, I work in the IT industry and have for over 25 years. Currently I have the honor (and ulcer) of managing 3 network admins, 2 DBAs, and 1 router engineer.
All of the data about charaters is in multipule databases, they are linked byindexing keys. this is very much like (or should be i should say) programs and data bases that deal with customers and thier information that we have to deal with.
Imagine if you will that you are a customer of ours and you move. you call our customer serivce rep up and advised that you moved. the rep duly notes the changes and advises the back end that we need to update yoru account. the DBA comes into my office and talks to me about it.
"well gee boss, that account is stored on x server because they are in zone 5, but if they move we would have to move them serve z as that is zone 2s. BUT we can not that, as we have no idea if we will be able to move all the related fields and tables associated to that account."
Does that seem reasonable to you? Frankly if my company worked with in that limitation the DBAs and my self would be lookingfor a new job very soon after it was found out that we could not move data nor even assure the executives that if we HAD to migrate data short of a total systems restore from offline backups.
Before you tell me that well games are different from what you do, sorry that will not fly either as other games have charater transfer services (yes WoW comes to mind) that move EVERYTHING. I is only data in linked tables and databases after all.
we will not even get in to the fact that we are talking about how you are not even really moving anythign major when you are talking about data pads and inventories, they are just reference back to the global databases.
Thats not technical limitations, thats programming incompetence. Character transfers were not "transfers" at all, they just gave you a new character with the skills of your old character and a few of the items you had. Nothing was ever transfered from one server to another.
programming incompetence has been a reoccuring theme with this game, they put in a fix for say...a jedi special and somehow they break shuttleports and speeders. Then they fix those and i can no longer enter buildings... They fix something and break something totaly unrelated...its rediculous
Pre-nge is an easy rollback. Pre-cu causes issues.
Issues cause bugs, bugs need to be fixed, fixes cause nerfs and change of gameplay, nerfs and change of gameplay cause angry players and when that will happen SWG will be in the same position as it is at the moment.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Originally posted by Jodokai Originally posted by Hamrtime Jodokai....you need to get off the crackpipe. Yeah that's great, but at least I can back my claims with facts. Makes for a much more convincing argument.
Your facts are as baseless as your brain. Ive played the game since day 1, Mastered 30 professions. I know why there are no people in the popular cities, I know why there is no one at the MO, I know why there is no one in the cantinas, I know why there is no one at the player cities......ITS BECAUSE NO ONE IS PLAYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. The guy who posted the server population a few days back confirms my post which you say is incorrect. But I guess that guy just pulled those numbers out of his ass and posted nothing but lies. Get a clue or get back on the pipe. Doesnt matter to me
Strange my last post appears to be fucked up. Ok heres my point again:)
I'm new to these forums, so Ive not yet ventured into the SWG debate. Its safe to say that I am not happy with the changes made by SOE. Im not against changes to a game, but the manner in which it was dealt with was appauling. No wonder players are leaving to find alternative games. Looking at the NGE I can see no real reason for doing it. The changes dont fall into place, and the game no longer clicks. There has been no regard for the players (customers), especially players who had grinded out jedi.
Ive played SWG on Euro Farstar since day one, and have enjoyed grinding out Jedi through the old profession system, enjoyed city/player city raids agains the rebel scum, enjoyed hunting down player jedi with my MBH, enjoyed the depth of the game due to the multiple professions within the game. All gone now, so why on earth would I remain, or rejoin?
What I really do not understand are the members who continually attempt to support, and justify the changes made by SOE to this game. A quick break down of some changes
. loss of professions . jedi players fucked over . removal of hunting player jedi with mbh . horrific "action based" combat system . serious decline in server population . increased number of broken quests/ items
My question to them is...Justify the above and tell me in one sentence for each point why each one has improved the game. If you can do so then perhaps the NGE is a success. Im especially interested in the members who have been on swg since "day 1" and yet still attempt to describe the NGE as a success.
I hope some of the rumours are true, and I definately would be interested in checking out a SWG2. However I just hope that SOE have learned over this debacle. Im not a rabid SOE hater - I still really enjoy EQ2, but I just hope that the learn from such mistakes as this.
Originally posted by Nasedoo if LA/SOE dont bring back pre-cu its all good. i know a group of people makeing a Private Pre-cu Server as we speak. and when it goes life 5X exp for 2 months!!! with hard to become jedi... Force Ranking!!! space exp! and everything!!! so if they dont.. they dont i play pre-cu one way or another
Heh, with 5x XP they might as well just make Jedi a starter prof
how in the hell can they get proper authorization to make a private pre-CU server, lol yea this is a joke
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Hmm, strange that none of the members still justifying NGE haven't responded to my post yet. Heh, guess they really don't know what they are talking about afterall!
Originally posted by Shayde Because they AREN'T getting authorization. Large grey area here.. and they aim to test it.
Actually there isn't really that much grey area. It's pretty much illegal regardless if they charge or not. They are using huge portions (as in pretty much the whole thing) of SOE/LA property. It's the same thing as copying a music cd and giving it to other people. Even if you don't charge it's still piracy.
Originally posted by dogmanstar Strange my last post appears to be fucked up. Ok heres my point again:)I'm new to these forums, so Ive not yet ventured into the SWG debate. Its safe to say that I am not happy with the changes made by SOE. Im not against changes to a game, but the manner in which it was dealt with was appauling. No wonder players are leaving to find alternative games. Looking at the NGE I can see no real reason for doing it. The changes dont fall into place, and the game no longer clicks. There has been no regard for the players (customers), especially players who had grinded out jedi.Ive played SWG on Euro Farstar since day one, and have enjoyed grinding out Jedi through the old profession system, enjoyed city/player city raids agains the rebel scum, enjoyed hunting down player jedi with my MBH, enjoyed the depth of the game due to the multiple professions within the game. All gone now, so why on earth would I remain, or rejoin?What I really do not understand are the members who continually attempt to support, and justify the changes made by SOE to this game. A quick break down of some changes. loss of professions : well if doing this means they can focus on expanding the game, im all for it . Yet that remains to be seen . . jedi players fucked over: Well TBH i don't care about this issue , So i am not gonna comment . . removal of hunting player jedi with mbh: im sure This pleases some non pvpers , as an ex mbh I do not like this change. . horrific "action based" combat system : This is a matter of opinion , last night was the first time i actually logged in to actually sit down and play NGE . i Have to say i had a blast . Much more fun than the games i've been attempting to play . . serious decline in server population : Can't argue with that . . increased number of broken quests/ items: Well all i can say to this is , atleast other players have worth while quests to do now . Not only jedi . With publish 27 most of the bugged quests have been fixed so this point is some what moot . My question to them is...Justify the above and tell me in one sentence for each point why each one has improved the game. If you can do so then perhaps the NGE is a success. Im especially interested in the members who have been on swg since "day 1" and yet still attempt to describe the NGE as a success.I hope some of the rumours are true, and I definately would be interested in checking out a SWG2. However I just hope that SOE have learned over this debacle. Im not a rabid SOE hater - I still really enjoy EQ2, but I just hope that the learn from such mistakes as this.
To answer your question as a day 1 vet . NGE isn't as bad as others would of wanted me to think . I had alot of fun last night playing . I logged in at around 10 pm and didnt get off until 10 am . no exageration( Been awhile since i played a game i could stand playing that long ) .Gained 2 lvls built up my new Mustafarian house with decor . Spent around 15 mil on equipment ( new Ris baby ) another 5 mil on furniture . . Chatted with friends i havent seen in quite sometime .
I was always a PVper when i played SWG for the last 2 years . Now i actually like the content of the game . Before there simply wasn't any , I wish Lvling had always been this fun in the game . I even wrote up a Player Event for smugglers i plan to hold within the next 2 weeks .
Sales wise NGE is no success atleast atm . But it is something i can play and actually have fun doing , Unlike teh last 4 months playing .WoW , COH , EVE and daoc .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by Jodokai Originally posted by Shayde Because they AREN'T getting authorization. Large grey area here.. and they aim to test it.Actually there isn't really that much grey area. It's pretty much illegal regardless if they charge or not. They are using huge portions (as in pretty much the whole thing) of SOE/LA property. It's the same thing as copying a music cd and giving it to other people. Even if you don't charge it's still piracy.
Yeah.. but they are doing it outside the U.S. and are subject to their laws. We'll see.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
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Please tell me:
Is my current toon gonna be preserved? or am I gonna have to start over?
I hope they can get the backups of the servers as of Nov 14th 2005 so I can continue where I left off, if not, I'm not sure I'd go back and start all over. I'd have to really think that over. I have 2 accounts, Alternate account is dead in the water, and my main account is dying as of Feb 10th. I really hope this rumor is true.
As with rumors, details are not totally laid out. When and if this happens, they will lay it all out. The only thing I read was that it really depended on what ruleset they decided on.
Pre-nge is an easy rollback. Pre-cu causes issues.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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/tiphat
bugger
(this is NOT a dig at Obraik)
when i see things like:
"That wouldn't work, not completely anyway. At the moment they can't move datapad items in server transfers due to technical limitations, so new players would lose all mounts, vehicles, ships, waypoints, schematics, etc."
It kills me professionally, I work in the IT industry and have for over 25 years. Currently I have the honor (and ulcer) of managing 3 network admins, 2 DBAs, and 1 router engineer.
All of the data about charaters is in multipule databases, they are linked byindexing keys. this is very much like (or should be i should say) programs and data bases that deal with customers and thier information that we have to deal with.
Imagine if you will that you are a customer of ours and you move. you call our customer serivce rep up and advised that you moved. the rep duly notes the changes and advises the back end that we need to update yoru account. the DBA comes into my office and talks to me about it.
"well gee boss, that account is stored on x server because they are in zone 5, but if they move we would have to move them serve z as that is zone 2s. BUT we can not that, as we have no idea if we will be able to move all the related fields and tables associated to that account."
Does that seem reasonable to you? Frankly if my company worked with in that limitation the DBAs and my self would be lookingfor a new job very soon after it was found out that we could not move data nor even assure the executives that if we HAD to migrate data short of a total systems restore from offline backups.
Before you tell me that well games are different from what you do, sorry that will not fly either as other games have charater transfer services (yes WoW comes to mind) that move EVERYTHING. I is only data in linked tables and databases after all.
we will not even get in to the fact that we are talking about how you are not even really moving anythign major when you are talking about data pads and inventories, they are just reference back to the global databases.
Thats not technical limitations, thats programming incompetence. Character transfers were not "transfers" at all, they just gave you a new character with the skills of your old character and a few of the items you had. Nothing was ever transfered from one server to another.
programming incompetence has been a reoccuring theme with this game, they put in a fix for say...a jedi special and somehow they break shuttleports and speeders. Then they fix those and i can no longer enter buildings... They fix something and break something totaly unrelated...its rediculous
scientology
Whoops.. mispost.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
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Your facts are as baseless as your brain. Ive played the game since day 1, Mastered 30 professions. I know why there are no people in the popular cities, I know why there is no one at the MO, I know why there is no one in the cantinas, I know why there is no one at the player cities......ITS BECAUSE NO ONE IS PLAYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. The guy who posted the server population a few days back confirms my post which you say is incorrect. But I guess that guy just pulled those numbers out of his ass and posted nothing but lies.
Get a clue or get back on the pipe. Doesnt matter to me
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dms...
Strange my last post appears to be fucked up. Ok heres my point again:)
I'm new to these forums, so Ive not yet ventured into the SWG debate. Its safe to say that I am not happy with the changes made by SOE. Im not against changes to a game, but the manner in which it was dealt with was appauling. No wonder players are leaving to find alternative games. Looking at the NGE I can see no real reason for doing it. The changes dont fall into place, and the game no longer clicks. There has been no regard for the players (customers), especially players who had grinded out jedi.
Ive played SWG on Euro Farstar since day one, and have enjoyed grinding out Jedi through the old profession system, enjoyed city/player city raids agains the rebel scum, enjoyed hunting down player jedi with my MBH, enjoyed the depth of the game due to the multiple professions within the game. All gone now, so why on earth would I remain, or rejoin?
What I really do not understand are the members who continually attempt to support, and justify the changes made by SOE to this game. A quick break down of some changes
. loss of professions
. jedi players fucked over
. removal of hunting player jedi with mbh
. horrific "action based" combat system
. serious decline in server population
. increased number of broken quests/ items
My question to them is...Justify the above and tell me in one sentence for each point why each one has improved the game. If you can do so then perhaps the NGE is a success. Im especially interested in the members who have been on swg since "day 1" and yet still attempt to describe the NGE as a success.
I hope some of the rumours are true, and I definately would be interested in checking out a SWG2. However I just hope that SOE have learned over this debacle. Im not a rabid SOE hater - I still really enjoy EQ2, but I just hope that the learn from such mistakes as this.
dms...
how in the hell can they get proper authorization to make a private pre-CU server, lol yea this is a joke
Because they AREN'T getting authorization.
Large grey area here.. and they aim to test it.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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Good Luck to them.
Hmm, strange that none of the members still justifying NGE haven't responded to my post yet. Heh, guess they really don't know what they are talking about afterall!
dms...
To answer your question as a day 1 vet . NGE isn't as bad as others would of wanted me to think . I had alot of fun last night playing . I logged in at around 10 pm and didnt get off until 10 am . no exageration( Been awhile since i played a game i could stand playing that long ) .Gained 2 lvls built up my new Mustafarian house with decor . Spent around 15 mil on equipment ( new Ris baby
I was always a PVper when i played SWG for the last 2 years . Now i actually like the content of the game . Before there simply wasn't any , I wish Lvling had always been this fun in the game . I even wrote up a Player Event for smugglers i plan to hold within the next 2 weeks .
Sales wise NGE is no success atleast atm . But it is something i can play and actually have fun doing , Unlike teh last 4 months playing .WoW , COH , EVE and daoc .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Yeah.. but they are doing it outside the U.S. and are subject to their laws. We'll see.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0