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what do you think of EQ2's graphics?
scaramoosh
Member Posts: 3,424
Everyone i know says they're horrible! I was really suprised cause i showed them this new trailer:
http://movies.station.sony.com:7000/patch/web/eq2/eq2_kos_gp2.wmv
Noone seems to like the graphics and says they look crap, like kiddy and stuff.
- Generic
- Boring
- No art style
- Plastic
- character models are crap
- Poor animations
- Kiddy
(Ignore the halfling running, i couldn't stop laughing when i saw him)
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Anyone who says the graphics suck is out of it, cause they dont
HEre are some i took in game
The new EQ2, better than ever befor !
don't click this link...
I personally don't find them to be very impressive. Also, the character movement is laughably crap.
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Generally, I like them. What I really hate though is the player models. Way too plastic on most races.
Currently playing:
* City of Heroes: Deggial, Assault Rifle/Devices Blaster. Server: Defiant.
* City of Villains: Snakeroot, Plant/Thorns Dominator. Server: Defiant.
I have a little 3D background... plus I have a computer that can run the game at the extreme quality setting.
Technically I think the graphics are nice. They have a very high polygon count and good shaders, but I think they rely to heavily on bump-mapping. compared to the character's skins which aren't is why it makes the characters look plastic-like.
So while I believe that the graphics are technically sound (provided you have an adequate computer to run them on) I dont think they are as artistally done. take guild wars as an example. low polygon, but the worlds are stunningly amazing.
But some people like the realistic look, but to me, it looks more like my backyard rather than a fantasy world.
The characters all run like they have shafts up their asses.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
I tried this game like yesterday after waiting 7 hours to fully download it. I shouldn't have. This game is utter cow dung. The characters have absolutely no dirt on them whatsoever, and thier skin looks like play-dow. No real texture work was done on the characters and as a result you have high-poly models that only manage to bog down your system.
The environments were equally crappy to me. The bump mapping was set to high; and for a game thats suppose to be at the leading forefront of technology, where is the normal mapping and HDRI lighting to make it look kick ass. I feel robbed for wasting my time downloading and installing this game.
I just downloaded and played the free EQ2 trial off Fileplanet. The game is ugly. It's just a step above Irth (yes I tried the maximum settings). Not only that, it lags like crap, it reminds me of DDO/AC2. Everytime an object or person loads the game stutters (yes I tried lowering the settings). The UI is generic and ugly too. The chat bubbles are cheap.
Obadno, those screen shots look good but only because they took them at 1600x1200 and resized them to 1/3 the size so you can't make out the details. Taking screens at 1600x1200 and resizing them to that size will make AC1 and Horizons look good.
EQ looks like cheap 90ies raytracing. Procedural looking textures and Poser models, which is probably the worst I can say about a games graphics. The only thing that impresses people I guess is that it uses bump mapping a lot.
As an artist I find the lack of art in the game that seems to be done by human hands repulsive. You can say what you want about WoW's comic style, but at least you can clearly see the world has been crafted by artists who can actually paint something they modelled in a 3d application rather than having pressed a button in poser or bryce and throw some procedural textures on it.
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never liked the EQ2 graphics. Its like they were shooting for realism and got claymation instead.
Heres the problem with eq2 graphics:
The characters and the world are 2 COMPLETELY different art styles. One looks like plastic, the other looks like someone too bad photos and pasted them onto a world mesh.
The whole game just doesnt FIT. Everything looks like a programmer created it, instead of an artist. If you want a world to flow, you need a general art scheme. You need someone who knows how to make everything fit together into a nice looking package thats nice on the eyes. Mixing too many art forms just makes it look bad.
The ONE thing I always say WoW did right was its art. People say its bad graphics, its not bad, its just not shooting for realism. They shot for a hand-drawn look, and they got it. The entire world follows one art scheme, and thats it. You feel like youre in the world, not jumping from a glass jar to a bad 1996 CG movie.
I have downloaded and tried the trial too ... and same feelings to me, EQ2 graphics are not good.
There are many things I dont like with EQ2 from a conceptual point of view, but when I look at the landscape it looks so artifical, just because most near areas are just flat textures. No detail generation for those near areas which would make it look much more natural. Detail generation in the near is a technique used to reflect roughness of the terrain by texture and mesh. A good graphical engine should have it IMO.
Another thing are those crappy, undetailed character models and permantly running characters. Did you see knights running around in any medieval theme movie?- What might hinder them to run around in full armour?- Yes, armour is heavy and to run around with it would be kind of silly and bring all your stamina down in short.
Running around reduces the time needed to think about if something is worth the effort or not. It is basically the style of kids, they run in the first place and think in the second. Adults do it the other way round, that is why they are not running around like attacked by a swarm of bees all the time. For me EQ2 is not a game for adults, it is a game for teens.
Ragosch
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you and everyone else who is constantly complaining about the graphics of EQ2 wouldnt know good grafics if it ate your PC in front of your eyes.
you guys have no idea about CG whatsoever and obviously are just repeating what other people repeated before.
EQ2 has the most deatailed graphics on the market. just because you hate SOE doesnt mean you have the right to dismiss a great product. SOE is a bad company because they made lots of bad choices.
instead of complaining about the few GREAT things they have done, and EQ2 is undoubtedly a great product, you should bash them for BAD things so they might change their ways in the future.
WoW, DAoC, SB, AC . or any other MMORPG looks as rich and detailed as EQ2 does.
you sissies just need any reason to feel superior, and what makes you feel more superior than dismissing something well done? So you can appear as even better or used to better.
so tell me: are you all running Intel 386s? I have a Geforce 4 4200 with 64 MB RAM and the game looks great. I saw it on a 7800 and my eyes nearly fell out.
I cannot count the moments in which I was simply stunned by the beauty of the gameworld and so many people I met said the same thing.
maybe you have never read your f***** manual, but you can influence the character animation as you can influence the detail of the textures. other games have less options because their engine cannot do so much. EQ2 CAN look much better than the lowest settings.
IF animation is so important, change the settings and it will look much more smooth. IF you like great textures change them to high detail. IF you cannot do both, maybe you have a crappy or expensive but UNBALANCED system.
you felt "robbed for wasting your time downloading and installing this game"???? Talk about arrogance and an unbelievable and rediculous amount of loftiness. I mean, I cant even take anything you are saying serious
you guys are the same dense fanbois that would hype ANY crap as long as your "brothers in crappy judgement" are doing it too. you just run with the crowds.
if enough people flame EQ2 (and that is a relic of the WoW EQ2 fanboi wars) (by the way: I like WoW and EQ2 but I am an EVE fanboi), you will flame it too. even your so called arguments always sound the same. check your face: there might be written in BIG letters (so you can read it): "miserable, cronically malcontent but too self absorbed to see it is no one but your own fault" --tells me you have a pretty big mouth, if all of that fits onto your pretty face (I guess 50% of it is tatooed onto your lips)
Askatan
you and everyone else who is constantly complaining about the graphics of EQ2 wouldnt know good grafics if it ate your PC in front of your eyes.
you guys have no idea about CG whatsoever and obviously are just repeating what other people repeated before.
EQ2 has the most deatailed graphics on the market. just because you hate SOE doesnt mean you have the right to dismiss a great product. SOE is a bad company because they made lots of bad choices.
instead of complaining about the few GREAT things they have done, and EQ2 is undoubtedly a great product, you should bash them for BAD things so they might change their ways in the future.
WoW, DAoC, SB, AC . or any other MMORPG looks as rich and detailed as EQ2 does.
you sissies just need any reason to feel superior, and what makes you feel more superior than dismissing something well done? So you can appear as even better or used to better.
so tell me: are you all running Intel 386s? I have a Geforce 4 4200 with 64 MB RAM and the game looks great. I saw it on a 7800 and my eyes nearly fell out.
I cannot count the moments in which I was simply stunned by the beauty of the gameworld and so many people I met said the same thing.
maybe you have never read your f***** manual, but you can influence the character animation as you can influence the detail of the textures. other games have less options because their engine cannot do so much. EQ2 CAN look much better than the lowest settings.
IF animation is so important, change the settings and it will look much more smooth. IF you like great textures change them to high detail. IF you cannot do both, maybe you have a crappy or expensive but UNBALANCED system.
you felt "robbed for wasting your time downloading and installing this game"???? Talk about arrogance and an unbelievable and rediculous amount of loftiness. I mean, I cant even take anything you are saying serious
you guys are the same dense fanbois that would hype ANY crap as long as your "brothers in crappy judgement" are doing it too. you just run with the crowds.
if enough people flame EQ2 (and that is a relic of the WoW EQ2 fanboi wars) (by the way: I like WoW and EQ2 but I am an EVE fanboi), you will flame it too. even your so called arguments always sound the same. check your face: there might be written in BIG letters (so you can read it): "miserable, cronically malcontent but too self absorbed to see it is no one but your own fault" --tells me you have a pretty big mouth, if all of that fits onto your pretty face (I guess 50% of it is tatooed onto your lips)
Askatan
The thread was about EQ2 graphics, not personal attacks on others' opinions. So I'm guessing that you do like the graphics... noted.
The graphics are best as they come, the art direction on the other hand is not there at all. Hence why people don't like it as opposed to WoWs superior art and lack of engine power.
I have no idea who you are but I have been flaming EQ2 since months before it was even released. I am not going with the crowd, I started the crowd. I thought I would give it a go to back my claims and they were more true then I originally thought. I even once choked my words in making the mistake of saying the environment graphics were good. They arent even descent.
I am a CG artist by trade, you obviously must not be if you cannot see all the shortcomings in the modeling. The models are dense, and they don't use most of the geometry effectively. Its like they took base models, then added in a few deformers to change the appearance of a face. This requires a dense model since you aren't putting those details in yourself; but what it turns into is a smoothed face with no real details since those are all washed out by the extra faces. In other games they model specific modulated body parts but take heed to use faces effectively resulting in half the polies this game chugs.
Nearly every single texture I saw was made to large to fit the detail it had in it. It was like they were using 1024 maps on everything when all the texture was, was a flesh tone with some rouge color airbrushing. Then the bump mapping exploded out of the terrain. There were grains of sand that were the size of peebles.
On actual Level Design. The starting city was autrociously designed. I felt like I was at an amusement park with the disproportioning of the walls. The landscapes are barren. Nearly every area is a plain, grassland, or desert. There are barely any trees anywhere.
So true, I had the same amuesement park feeling, running around like a kid and try out things which I was told too - so boring, so childish. And your impression about the landscape is the same as mine. Basically flat and undetailed areas in the near with no ground details, just textures. The game looks better in the distance, but in the near it is ... flat basically, no details.
Ragosch
this THREAD might be intended about the graphics of EQ2, but it is de facto hijacked by SOE haters (count me in) that have no idea about graphics and do not even care (DONT count me in).
As you rightfully said, I am attacking others' opinions and I like the graphics.
However I have a problem with your attitude. You accept flaming from the anti-EQ2 crowd here, but you attack me for actually sticking to the topic. That is strange.
I replied to flames, I didnt start to. You are unwilling or unable to see this, so I cannot take you seriously as well.
Same goes for your statement on "your backyard". This is just nonsense. you could say the same on Lord of the Rings. "looks too realistic" lets hate the movie.
realistic or not has nothing to do with graphics. you said so yourself before. we are talking about computer graphics here and if you CANNOT TELL ME another game that looks BETTER than EQ2, then all you are saying is: I do not like computer graphics, because blablabla.
"good" or "bad" is always a comparison. EQ2 has the best and most deatiled textures, the best shaders and the most polygons in todays MMORPGs.
that you do not like the fact that FINALLY a fantasy game tries to go for the photorealistic look, is NOT part of this topic.
neither is how muh you hate SOE, how "valuable" your downloading time is (see above) or how great you are with flaming.
making false claims about lack of detail in textures (utter nonsense. the most detailed of any game), the animation (you can adjust it in settings) or the plastic looks (the plastic look WAS in the beta, now it looks much better and not plastic at all) doesnt help.
when I see lies, false rumors or wrong statements, it is my pleasure to make it right. even if I have to kick some ass.
YOU do not have a problem with lies or rumors obviously. because YOU did not step in, or set any false statements right.
so dont complain to ME about what and what is not right to say in this thread
Askatan
Complete lack of artistic vision. Every area looked so empty. It was like the modelers got told "allright, now we've squeezed in so much shadows, high-res textures, particle effects and animated clothing you're limited to 12 polygons per zone".