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I'm a little disgusted with MMORPG.com
cumbom
Member CommonPosts: 544
This website which holds much information about us and states in their privacy policy that they will not share or disclose it unless required to do so by law has threatened to do just that.
Enigma Wrote:
I made this a sticky for the simple fact that we've been bombarded
(and rightfully so) with reports that members here are talking about
their beta, posting screenshots proving they are in beta, etc.
The Non Disclosure Agreement within Vanguard's EULA strictly forbids
a beta tester to divulge any and all information pertaining to the
game, software, hardware, blogs, forums, statements, screenshots,
video, etc.
For those who are in beta, you accepted the terms to this agreement
so you are held responsible for your own actions and the failure to
comply with their EULA usually results in your account being banned
(beta account)
If we continue to see repeated behavior of members stating they are
in beta we will forward the offending member's information to Vanguard.
Even if you pretend to be in beta to make your posts more "valid"
please stop as well. Wait until the NDA has been lifted. Until then you
may talk freely about the game but nothing about beta. If you have any
questions about what is ok and what is not ok please feel free to email
me.
I hope someone else from this site assures me Enigma spoke out of turn and will be dealt with for threatening to break this company's word to me and others here.
If that is not the case I will likely be deleting my account here and moving on...
I don't play SOE games because they lied to me, and I won't support this site if the same is true here.
Thank You,
Marc Cumbo
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moctodumegws
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MMORPG.COM never sells or shares any of your personal information with other parties.
All information is strictly for internal use and all e-mails are only sent from our facilities.
MMORPG.COM may access and/or disclose your personal information if required to do so by
law or in the good faith belief that such action is necessary to: (a) conform to
the edicts of the law or comply with legal process served on our company or the
site; (b) protect and defend the rights or property of our company, including the MMORPG.COM
Web site; or (c) act under exigent circumstances to protect the
personal safety of users of MMORPG.COM, its web sites, or the public.
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moctodumegws
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its a act of good faith.... there is nothing disgusting about it.
though the NDA part that says that in my opionion is saying don't hype our game.
I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.
MMORPG shouldn't break their privacy policy, the one they refer us to when we sign up.
It disgusting that a company would share my information without my permission.
Indeed, it may be illegal, and if it were to happen to me I would file a lawsuit.
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moctodumegws
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moctodumegws
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They take your information in bad faith, claiming as they do in their Privacy policy and then break their word.
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moctodumegws
Can't WAIT!
It doesnt seem like they are breaking any privacy policy. If you do not follow the rules of the game you choose to beta test for, you are breaking an agreement with that company. In order for MMORPG protect there own interests with these companies....they will hand over your information. You kow they will, he just stated it....so dont do it. And the only thing the company will do with the information is verify if you are indeed leakign information which you agreed not to.
Only one here breakig rules is the one leaking information about the beta they are in
.
Not the point.
Yes, that is the point.
Do you believe because mmorpg.com has a privacy policy, that it offers you blanket protection from doing something you're not supposed to f****** do ?
I hope your Beta account disappears like Jimmy Hoffa.
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"Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb." -- Batman
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I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.
MMORPG shouldn't break their privacy policy, the one they refer us to when we sign up.
It disgusting that a company would share my information without my permission.
Indeed, it may be illegal, and if it were to happen to me I would file a lawsuit.
So you condone the breaking of an NDA which is also a legal agreement, you just seem to use the law when it applies to you.
Apparently reading and interpreting isn't your strong point either.
MMORPG.COM may access and/or disclose your personal information if required to do so by
law or in the good faith belief that such action is necessary to: (a) conform to
the edicts of the law or comply with legal process served on our company or the
site; (b) protect and defend the rights or property of our company, including the MMORPG.COM
Web site; or (c) act under exigent circumstances to protect the
personal safety of users of MMORPG.COM, its web sites, or the public.
Section B is most likely to apply in this scenario which i have copied from one of your own posts. If vanguard took issue with MMORPG.COM allowing NDA breaking information on their site it could and would damage the relationship with Vanguard and potentially other developers too. Howeve distastful you may find it this site does live from advertising revenue. Simply put it was potentially damaging to MMORPG.com to allow NDA breaking posts to appear.
Not to mention they did go out of the way to warn you to cease before they felt that they had no choice to report you, on the assumption that you didn't realise the implications of breaking your agreement with Vanguard. If it were and as it seems you knew all to well you were breaking the agreement i'd have simply informed the relevant parties and let them deal with you.
i fight the battles other fear
EagleRanger
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"Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb." -- Batman
You could if you wanted take the quoted section to give credit to them releasing your information, honestly...
If you are concerened about it.. delete you account... create a new fake one.. spoof your IP/MAC and procede.. to think doing anything on the internet gives you freedom to do it without recourse is foolish unless you take precautions, even then there is still an electronic papertrail.. all you can do is increase the difficulity and time involved in tracking you down.
I think most people could care less, vanguard put several nails into their coffin when they suddenly jumped ship on publishers.. and went with someone who they USED to inslut and make fun of in IRC. I personally never cared either way (did not want an EQ clone grind fest game.. and that is what vanguard sounded like from Day 1.. just dosen't interest me anymore)..
You do bring you a valid point but in this 'community' (if you can call it that) it is going to fall on deaf ears, most of us are just too jaded/tired to care anymore *grin*
"MMORPG.COM never sells or shares any of your personal information with other parties.
All information is strictly for internal use and all e-mails are only sent from our facilities."
Never means never. Only a court-issued order could force this rule to be broken.
If the gaming company has a problem with screenies being posted etc, that is THEIR problem, not mmorpg.com's
If it's such a big deal, either write your code in a way that prevents screenies, or have no open beta at all whatsoever. Find other ways to test your game, because asking people not to take screenies is pretty naive.
The fact that mmorpg is doing this just goes to show they're a commercial site, for the promotion of games and their viewpoints, and not so much the freedom of open and impartial communication in the forums.
This site is not about the forums and what we can say in it. That is a minor sideshow. What this site is about is promoting the hype of any given company. As such, it seems they are bending over quite easily.
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"MMORPG.COM never sells or shares any of your personal information with other parties.
All information is strictly for internal use and all e-mails are only sent from our facilities."
Never means never. Only a court-issued order could force this rule to be broken.
If the gaming company has a problem with screenies being posted etc, that is THEIR problem, not mmorpg.com's
If it's such a big deal, either write your code in a way that prevents screenies, or have no open beta at all whatsoever. Find other ways to test your game, because asking people not to take screenies is pretty naive.
The fact that mmorpg is doing this just goes to show they're a commercial site, for the promotion of games and their viewpoints, and not so much the freedom of open and impartial communication in the forums.
This site is not about the forums and what we can say in it. That is a minor sideshow. What this site is about is promoting the hype of any given company. As such, it seems they are bending over quite easily.
Actually yes those screenshots would be a problem. Leaked or not, if the game is still under NDA. They still can't allow post of screenshots to remain on their forums, whether they are hosting them or not.
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from a legal perspective, u are wrong:
"MMORPG.COM never sells or shares any of your personal information with other parties. All information is strictly for internal use and all e-mails are only sent from our facilities."
Never means never. Only a court-issued order could force this rule to be broken.
If the gaming company has a problem with screenies being posted etc, that is THEIR problem, not mmorpg.com's
If it's such a big deal, either write your code in a way that prevents screenies, or have no open beta at all whatsoever. Find other ways to test your game, because asking people not to take screenies is pretty naive.
The fact that mmorpg is doing this just goes to show they're a commercial site, for the promotion of games and their viewpoints, and not so much the freedom of open and impartial communication in the forums.
This site is not about the forums and what we can say in it. That is a minor sideshow. What this site is about is promoting the hype of any given company. As such, it seems they are bending over quite easily.
Umm, you realize you're quoting their privacy policy. A policy does not equate a law.
Court orders? what are you smoking? This is a private website, and they can honestly do whatever they want with the information they obtain from your using it.
It is their policy that they won't give that information out. But as already has been stated by Enigma, if they see you breaking a legal agreement that you agreed to, they're gonna do something about it.
Where do you get your legal information from? Night Court on TV-Land?
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"Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb." -- Batman
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moctodumegws
Can't WAIT!
Not the point.
Yes, that is the point.
Do you believe because mmorpg.com has a privacy policy, that it offers you blanket protection from doing something you're not supposed to f****** do ?
I hope your Beta account disappears like Jimmy Hoffa.
MMORPG's Privacy Policy states that my information will not be shared:
MMORPG.COM never sells or shares any of your personal information with other parties.
All information is strictly for internal use and all e-mails are only sent from our facilities.
And when they will share it it will be because:
MMORPG.COM may access and/or disclose your personal information if required to do so by
law or in the good faith belief that such action is necessary to: (a) conform to
the edicts of the law or comply with legal process served on our company or the
site; (b) protect and defend the rights or property of our company, including the MMORPG.COM
Web site; or (c) act under exigent circumstances to protect the
personal safety of users of MMORPG.COM, its web sites, or the public.
None of which have anything to do with breaking an NDA or EULA
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moctodumegws
Can't WAIT!
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moctodumegws
Can't WAIT!
Cumbom, I see your point but read the whole policy:
MMORPG.COM may access and/or disclose your personal information if required to do so by
law or in the good faith belief that such action is necessary to: (a) conform to
the edicts of the law or comply with legal process served on our company or the
site; (b) protect and defend the rights or property of our company, including the MMORPG.COM
Web site; or (c) act under exigent circumstances to protect the
personal safety of users of MMORPG.COM, its web sites, or the public.
So yes, under normal circumstances MMORPG.com should never disclose your personal information to anyone without your express permission, EXCEPT "if they are required by law to do so or in the good faith belief that such action is necessary..."
The wonderful thing about the law, policies, et. al., is that there are always loopholes.
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MMORPG shouldn't break their privacy policy, the one they refer us to when we sign up.
It disgusting that a company would share my information without my permission.
Indeed, it may be illegal, and if it were to happen to me I would file a lawsuit.
So you condone the breaking of an NDA which is also a legal agreement, you just seem to use the law when it applies to you.
First of all most NDA's are not legal agreements. Details
Apparently reading and interpreting isn't your strong point either.
MMORPG.COM may access and/or disclose your personal information if required to do so by
law or in the good faith belief that such action is necessary to: (a) conform to
the edicts of the law or comply with legal process served on our company or the
site; (b) protect and defend the rights or property of our company, including the MMORPG.COM
Web site; or (c) act under exigent circumstances to protect the
personal safety of users of MMORPG.COM, its web sites, or the public.
Section B is most likely to apply in this scenario which i have copied from one of your own posts. If vanguard took issue with MMORPG.COM allowing NDA breaking information on their site it could and would damage the relationship with Vanguard and potentially other developers too. Howeve distastful you may find it this site does live from advertising revenue. Simply put it was potentially damaging to MMORPG.com to allow NDA breaking posts to appear.
A) That clause you quoted is not what you are saying it is.
Not to mention they did go out of the way to warn you to cease before they felt that they had no choice to report you, on the assumption that you didn't realise the implications of breaking your agreement with Vanguard. If it were and as it seems you knew all to well you were breaking the agreement i'd have simply informed the relevant parties and let them deal with you.
First off let me say I am not currently Beta testing any games, secondly I never broke my NDA when I have Beta tested.
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moctodumegws
Can't WAIT!