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Don't hold people to a double standard it only makes you look foolish.
I am not saying people should break their NDAs. I am simply saying that MMORPG.com shouldn't break their privacy policy, and the Admin agrees with me.
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moctodumegws
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I am not saying people should break their NDAs. I am simply saying that MMORPG.com shouldn't break their privacy policy, and the Admin agrees with me.
Why bother reading all the crap you spew here ? it's always the same thing. " they can't force you to keep your word but damn them if they break it to me " pretty much sums up everything you post here.
You can't start a thread about game companies can't make you keep your word and then cry about MMORPG not keeping thiers.
no apology here...
note that you've put other threads on the same topic on this forum and that the forum admin has locked them and told you to stop... and you didn't stop...
so to me, there are issues here and that's all i'm adding to this ...
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I am not saying people should break their NDAs. I am simply saying that MMORPG.com shouldn't break their privacy policy, and the Admin agrees with me.
Why bother reading all the crap you spew here ? it's always the same thing. " they can't force you to keep your word but damn them if they break it to me " pretty much sums up everything you post here.
You can't start a thread about game companies can't make you keep your word and then cry about MMORPG not keeping thiers.
If you don't want to discuss any issues, start your own thread.
BTW MMORPG.com has kept their word and will not release your information without a court order. I think thats a positive.
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moctodumegws
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The Admin posted here and agreed with me.
So what is your point?
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moctodumegws
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it also says "except where required by law"... HELLO? you agree to an NDA then violoate it, it seems to me that MMORPG is probably required by law to say something about it. You're just upset because you can't have your cake and eat it, too...
get over it, and stop violating agreements you made and then MMORPG won't be obligated to tell on you...
DUH...
Oh that was you huh?
Ya you really had that one wrong eh?
Oh well.
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moctodumegws
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That's not the point, its illegal for them to share personal details from the accounts on this website.
Wether or not someone is breaking NDA does not matter (the only thing they should pass on at most is the forum username) anything else would be illegal.
(not to mention I think NDA's are seriously ridiculous, because its usually done by games that work with preorders and collectors editions etc and they want to get as many people tricked into buying it before ppl find out what stuff sucks in a particular game...)
So. You say it's illegal for the folks here to give out your info to companies when you do naughty things.
But you say it's fine to break NDAs because you don't think that they should apply to you?
I believe this would the be word we're looking for here.
MMORPG.COM shouldn't hand out info.
And if you agreed to an NDA, you are equally wrong for breaking it as this website is for disclosing info on you.
It's like someone saying a murderer belongs in jail... but that they, being a drug dealer, should be let out because drug laws are stupid.
Yeah. This whole post is f***ing pointless now.
JUST FYI:
MMORPG is not releasing your personal information as the admin posted about a few pages back.
And:
I am not saying breaking an NDA is a good thing, I have been in Betas in the past and not broken NDAs, and I don't generally think anyone should break an NDA.
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moctodumegws
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If you lot are trying to confuse me... you're doing a great job.
Geez, you leave this forum for 18 hours and look what happens?
I'm off to bed, gnight all!
Try not to flame too much while i'm gone!
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moctodumegws
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from a legal perspective, u are wrong:
"MMORPG.COM never sells or shares any of your personal information with other parties. All information is strictly for internal use and all e-mails are only sent from our facilities."
Never means never. Only a court-issued order could force this rule to be broken.
If the gaming company has a problem with screenies being posted etc, that is THEIR problem, not mmorpg.com's
If it's such a big deal, either write your code in a way that prevents screenies, or have no open beta at all whatsoever. Find other ways to test your game, because asking people not to take screenies is pretty naive.
The fact that mmorpg is doing this just goes to show they're a commercial site, for the promotion of games and their viewpoints, and not so much the freedom of open and impartial communication in the forums.
This site is not about the forums and what we can say in it. That is a minor sideshow. What this site is about is promoting the hype of any given company. As such, it seems they are bending over quite easily.
Umm, you realize you're quoting their privacy policy. A policy does not equate a law.
Court orders? what are you smoking? This is a private website, and they can honestly do whatever they want with the information they obtain from your using it.
It is their policy that they won't give that information out. But as already has been stated by Enigma, if they see you breaking a legal agreement that you agreed to, they're gonna do something about it.
Where do you get your legal information from? Night Court on TV-Land?
Oh but before I go to bed, I definately think this guy should admit he got his legal info from Night Court.
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moctodumegws
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What's up with all the storms in a teacup around here lately?
I think this is a great example of what's wrong with the industry these days. Pandering. Pandering to crybaby, whining, lifeless losers who bitch and moan about any and/or every little thing they don't agree with. Rather than having a moderator telling that person to shut the hell up, or to grow up, or to cease complaining, they have to back down, for fear of backlash.
Seriously, cumbom had nothing better to do with his day than bitch and moan about possibly having his privacy violated, even though according to his own posts, he was in ZERO JEOPARDY of this happening. Rather than do anything with his meaningless, uneventful life, he chose to stir up flames, by creating a topic with a title that he knew would draw attention to it. 'I'm a little disgusted with MMORPG.com'. Who's not going to look at that, I mean, most people are curious by nature. When I clicked the topic, I expected to see something horrible; like selling out to IGE, or becoming a partner with SOE. What did I see, but a guy crying about nothing.
For what purpose did he do this, you're probably asking. Because he needed to hear 'I'm right. I always am'. That's it. He had to hear it from the staff of MMORPG.com himself to be appeased, because that's how insiginificant his time was.
But I digress, back to what I was saying before...
It's pandering. It's pandering to the crybaby asshats that's put the industry in shambles. People like cumbom, who will whine and moan and complain until they get their way, are the reason so many of our MMO's these days have devolved into cheap imitations. People like cumbom will whine for a nerf, bombard forums with the same topic until they get a dev/staff response, and make threats about cancelling their subscriptions/filing lawsuits, whatever the hell else they might come up with. The sad thing is, these are the people who get listened to the most.
It's the persistent nagging that drives people crazy. Let's take a moment here folks. When's the last time you saw a class pumped up, because it was underpowered, and a few lowly players make the request to be better, because I certainly can't remember too many occurences like this. On the other hand, how often do you see classes nerfed, because of people screaming about X class or Y skill being too overpowered...¿ I'd be willing to bet you see it quite a bit more often.
Let's take a look at SWG. People whined and cried and complained about the game. As a result, it's been compeltely transformed, and NUMEROUS times. It's not solely because they wanted the profits of WoW, though that is a large part of it. It's because they gave up on their current customer base. Seriously, if you heard nothing but complaining for 3 years, you'd shoot for a new audience too. Now, granted, I personally think SOE did a horrible job with SWG, but even on the few things they did right, all you ever heard about it was complaining.
The point of this long, drawn-out, and aggressively opinionated rant is that people need to start sticking to their guns. Stop worrying about the rebuttal of your fans, don't pander to everyone. The REAL fans will still be here at the end of the day. I personally wish En1gma had received the backing of the MMORPG.com staff, because it would have shown a stronger sense of unity, in my opinion. Besides, weeding out people like cumbom is NEVER a bad thing in my book.
That's they key to all the problems in this industry. Stand your ground, don't backdown for fear of the public's reaction. You can't always make everyone happy, but you can always pursue your ideals and make them work.
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
I am actually more concerned with peoples stand on this then I am about the actual occurence as such.
NDA is a promise, nothing more nothing less, now promises can be legally binding but I very VERY much doubt anyone would ever be prosecuted and lose in such a process.
Their own rules is also a promise, they promise us that they will never give our information to others, regardless the circumstances, it is good journalistic ethics and there are cases were journalists have gone to jail for not divulging such information even when told to by a court of law.
Peoples willingness to accept this is scary and one must assume they have not at all concidered the consequences, what is next?
"We will only give out information about our members if we can make a profit from it" ?
Never means never, change that to "sometimes" and all promises are void, your word means nothing and you are in fact a liar.
Most communities would struggle long and hard before giving information to even authorities, and many would refuse when handed a court order to hand over the information.
This is not about what is wrong or rigth, it is about confidence, without it no company can hope to survive, no journalist can hope to be believed and no site hope to grow.
That said, I do not believe this will ever happen, the consequences are to dire and I believe Enigma spoke in the heat of the moment, whatever that migth have been.
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Originally posted by Jerek_
I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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It has more to do with lack of quality MMOGs to play. We are all waiting for Q4 games to be released.
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Executive Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
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moctodumegws
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moctodumegws
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Wow this thread is still going strong?
Its nice for when school is on I can do a lot of school work there, but during the summer I create projects to keep me busy, or GOD FORBID take part in an online discussion.
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moctodumegws
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