Originally posted by Perciple I was like so many of you, extremely upset when the NGE went live. I didnt even updated the game launcher, I simply went to WoW(6 Million People cant be wrong). What makes people come back? "they are btw" The cities are growing again, cantinas are been used, even the GCW has picked up momentum. I think all this is happening because SWG was made by us; the community, the forum trolls, PvPers, the Shims with Purple hair. We created the content and the friendships that will last a lifetime while playing the game. Sure we bitched about the system back them and how unbalance it was(Rifleman---Headshot ftw). I lost count how many times I was busy doing something and I had to drop everything cause I had to go to base defense I have returned to SWG simply cause I was bored of the instance grind for XP, gear, pvp; you name it. So after some re-keymaping of my keyboard, CU UI mod, I went back in. Sure it took me a while to learn what they have changed (I hate Spy's btw). The Devs are taking some good steps, to bad it took them how long? SWG will probably never be the Pre-cu that we all want, but the friends,community and the fun I have a everytime a wtfpwn a Rebel in a pvp makes it worth it in my book.
Yes, and you can give them your money reaffirming to the DEVs/PUBlishers they were right making it just that much more easy for them to take a big crap on their customers desires next time. All this is nothing new SOE has treated the SWG community like this from day one. people would get fed up and leave in packs if 10-30 k at a time while trying to stir the ire of others. But the player core would just reaffirm to SOE that they were right by fanboing the forums and continuing to give then their money. Alowing SOE to take bigger and bigger steps to step on there players. As such the SWG fanbois asked for CU and after CU practically begged for NEG. And people like you still unwilling to send a message of stop screwing with our game are simply asking to be crapped on in some other way.
Originally posted by MX13 But back to the point- The NGE was designed to bring in WoW Blood, but where are they?
Uhhhhhh... Playing WoW?
All the seervers are still heavy and they're adding more, do I'd say that's the case.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
And what server is this? My friend played for 2 hours last night and saw about 10 people total and he was all over.
I think there might be 1 or 2 servers with a few people, but the majority are still empty.
Originally posted by Axisstorm I have recently been poking around in SWG again. Not alot, but enough to notice that cantina's are running with several people in them, Not like the days of old, but a hell of alot more than I once seen before this Hated NGE revamp took place. Starports have people in them and there are alot of new low lvl people running around in this game that everyone hates so much now. Maybe i'm wrong but is it those of us that miss what it was that are all pissed and hate the new system so much that we can't get over the fact that maybe it did infact bring in a new player base? I can't say I really like or Dislike the new system.........I have'nt played it that much. I do know i like the very beginning way the game was set up where you had to go out in parties of 10 or more or get your ass handed to you. The holo grind and the introduction of mega buffs screwed the game up so much that it got ridiculous to play. Rancors were impossible to beat solo when I started playing, and by the time the holo grind came out people were so busy grinding profession after profession they had to bring imvincibility into the game so we could all solo cause groups were non-existent. Maybe they need to re-introduce a server for all of us that dont like change???
Originally posted by MX13 Originally posted by iskareot
Right now all you have to do is read and look around. If the game was in good shape NONE of us would be here, we would be in the game from work, from home, from school, from a city coffee shop on thier laptop.
Thank you for your time....
Well said. 2 Points:
1) You make me sick
2) There are many things that tip off all to the NGE's failure, but beyond all others there is one major reality: Where are the NGE Players?
They aren't coming in at the number that SOE / LA gambled on, infact, even those that are trying it aren't staying long. The Players numbers currently aren't going up, and are infact, still sliding slowly (according to my RP friends still playing). And when the RP'ers stop logging in, you know things are not looking good. They're the hard of the hardcore.
But back to the point- The NGE was designed to bring in WoW Blood, but where are they? That alone shows the future of the NGE. If SOE / LA wasn't happy with the Pre-CU numbers, does anyone think they'll be happy with this mess?
Rofl the red (Thank you) stuff is funny though, almost makes me laugh now..lol
I do remember your posts from the Jedi boards... you were funny.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by wormywyrm Its just hard to believe that the NGE has brought a new playerbase when the server loads are lighter than ever. http://www.mmorpg.com/dsp/dspScreenViewer.cfm?gameId=6&screenId=7659&type=2&mode=1 Even if the NGE has managed to replace some of the SWG vets who left, do you really think that these new players are going to be as deticated to the game? Will they maintain their subscriptions much longer? Maybe it was a last ditch attempt to get some people to pay full retail price for SWG. A short influx of new players to help bring in some quick cash as opposed to a deticated long term playerbase...
Here's a screenshot of the pre-cu loads from the MMORPG reviewof the pre-cu game. Posting server loads is kinda pointless though without listing a time.
In my opinion, SWG had it's peak players for the first 6 months after release.
I was on Shadowfire, and it was always damn near full for that time.
But, I think people will only accept poor performance, class imbalance, bugs/glitches for so long. After awhile, people who play the game get fed up, word of mouth begins to spread, and it discourages people from playing the game, as well as discouraging new customers from coming in as well. I know that was the case with myself anyway.
In my opinion, if a game can't at least fix basic bugs within 6 months of release, it's doomed. That's a lesson SWG taught me.
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
After reading the OP and most of the replies from, I have to put my two credits in here. I'm not a regular poster here or really anywhere but my time in SWG was extreme. I was just one of the untold countless people who left the game due to the NGE.
I think the statement that the OP quoted is long overdue, and I can't fathom how a game company like SoE could have tolerated for this long losing revenue. It is really about making money when it comes down to it. Shamefully I can see that they wanted to have numbers on the scale of games like WoW. I can see that a franchise such as Star Wars could have been the one to give them such numbers. They basically screwed it up, from implentation to communication and the snowball effect there in. I left one month after the NGE went live, and had been playing since right before publish 9. I can't really get a grip on how a company can be sitting on such a gold mine and tamper with it, hoping to make it better by changing and simplifying everything. If things were done just a little differently we might have enjoyed one of the greatest games ever made. There were problems in the pre and post CU, but in looking back, they were smallish. Certian professions needed revamped and some things made needed balanced. Jedi being an Alpha class had a huge impact on the game, but the peices laid out in the beginning were enough to keep us entralled.
In my personal opinon, I have never "loved" a game, or even "loved" to play a game until I had first loaded up SWG. It was complex and envolved. It was actually living the life of the character you created. You had communities solely built by players and an economy that was maintained by us as well. No other game could even touch the depth that we once had. Not one. Nobody is ever going to be completely happy, and we had our share of idiots too, but the community as a whole was unique and great.
I could go on and on about my personal experiences, but its wasted. Any veteran of SWG knows the highs of the game and the good times they had. It's all gone due to a botched revamp of a gme that only needed a stroke or two to polish to a mirror finish. SWG affected the lives of many gamers, casual and hardcore. We had a gaming run that will never be surpassed. We were legends and homemakers, crafters and pet caretakers. The cream of the crop.
The NGE took all of that away, all my friends and enemies gone. All of the stories and lives built washed away in one sweeping motion by a greedy corporation. LA doesnt care, they have their franchise money, and will long live in luxury because of. I only have one more thing to say and I really dont care if this gets read: my open thoughts and words to Brenlo:
Too little too late, you lose. The customer is always right. We have our memories of a fantastic world we created with your tools. You lost our trust, and faith. All for greed.
-Wraithe Oza, Jedi
(I still miss my vibrolance, my friends and even my enemies. Damn you Sony)
Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by wormywyrm Its just hard to believe that the NGE has brought a new playerbase when the server loads are lighter than ever. http://www.mmorpg.com/dsp/dspScreenViewer.cfm?gameId=6&screenId=7659&type=2&mode=1 Even if the NGE has managed to replace some of the SWG vets who left, do you really think that these new players are going to be as deticated to the game? Will they maintain their subscriptions much longer? Maybe it was a last ditch attempt to get some people to pay full retail price for SWG. A short influx of new players to help bring in some quick cash as opposed to a deticated long term playerbase...
Here's a screenshot of the pre-cu loads from the MMORPG reviewof the pre-cu game. Posting server loads is kinda pointless though without listing a time.
No, posting server loads has always been pointless.
Not for nothing, and I know i commented earlier on server loads when i was creating a new character yesterday on Bria, but I dont even know really how many each of the SWG servers would hold. Could be 1000 or it could be 20,000, I know it's somewhere in between, but who really knows what it currently is.
I have high hopes for an SWG II in the future, I have heard that they may be making one. Maybe in it they will get it right, maybe even a completly new company. Everyone likes to blame SOE, but from the get go I always heard and read that LA held the Reigns. Was I mis-informed? who really knows?, All I know is the potential that a name like Star Wars has was pissed away by apparently 2 companies and the only company that has really gotten a Black Eye because of it is SOE, they will bare the cross for many years to come apparently but if a different company hooks up with LA, I would almost bet that most of the people that played and those that did'nt will come running and LA will look like a bunch of heroes if that other company does it right because LA will look back on this like a bad mistake and make it the right way next time. Do I blame them soley, hell no, but i hold them equally at fault.
Originally posted by Axisstorm I have high hopes for an SWG II in the future, I have heard that they may be making one. Maybe in it they will get it right, maybe even a completly new company.
While there might be a new Star Wars MMO in development, it doesn't mean that it will be a sandbox MMORPG. The companies might decide that they just need to scrap SWG with its bad history and just make a EQ/WoW game with a Star Wars skin.
Originally posted by Tagurit And what server is this? My friend played for 2 hours last night and saw about 10 people total and he was all over.
I think there might be 1 or 2 servers with a few people, but the majority are still empty.
Originally posted by Axisstorm I have recently been poking around in SWG again. Not alot, but enough to notice that cantina's are running with several people in them, Not like the days of old, but a hell of alot more than I once seen before this Hated NGE revamp took place. Starports have people in them and there are alot of new low lvl people running around in this game that everyone hates so much now. Maybe i'm wrong but is it those of us that miss what it was that are all pissed and hate the new system so much that we can't get over the fact that maybe it did infact bring in a new player base? I can't say I really like or Dislike the new system.........I have'nt played it that much. I do know i like the very beginning way the game was set up where you had to go out in parties of 10 or more or get your ass handed to you. The holo grind and the introduction of mega buffs screwed the game up so much that it got ridiculous to play. Rancors were impossible to beat solo when I started playing, and by the time the holo grind came out people were so busy grinding profession after profession they had to bring imvincibility into the game so we could all solo cause groups were non-existent. Maybe they need to re-introduce a server for all of us that dont like change???
I have posted two ways to get to this, i'm not sure if either will work, but I just took this screen shot at 6:30pm est. I know server loads dont mean much, but atleast it makes me not look like i'm lying about what i'm seeing on character creation and it also makes what i'm saying about seeing alot of people around where i'm running around at. Don't get me wrong, i remember when Theed was so packed you would lag out just running around in the city. But there are alot of new people playing this game now days. I have a friend that has not stopped playing according to him just recently since the beginning and he said that there are alot of new people coming to the game, not alot of returning folks but that could be the free trial. I dont know how much weight i put into the comments of people trying and leaving, how does anyone know that for a fact. And just for my own peice of mind is there a place where you can go and see what the current subscription numbers are for all these mmo's by chance? And by the way, if anyone recognizes my name from bria, yes it's the same Kitalowe that played on bria in the guild Unity. Matter of fact I still have that character in that same guild even though our city is currently a ghost town. lol. Go figure.
Ok see i can tell u from expeirence since i did play on swg for about 4 months into the new changes the game play now sucks to lvl up u have to do it by your self certain things are good fighting much more faster now you can do bombing runs on planets and bring npc into war with your friends but other wise the newer generation of swg players dont really know how amazing the game was the game has gone down hell im pretty sure though that they opened up a sever a free one with all the old stuff on it idk for sure though have checked the game out in awhile so i really dont know ur opinions but i think the game went completely down hill for the older gamers
Originally posted by KenshuAni Originally posted by Axisstorm I have high hopes for an SWG II in the future, I have heard that they may be making one. Maybe in it they will get it right, maybe even a completly new company.
While there might be a new Star Wars MMO in development, it doesn't mean that it will be a sandbox MMORPG. The companies might decide that they just need to scrap SWG with its bad history and just make a EQ/WoW game with a Star Wars skin.
That is what I'm worried about the most.
I don't worry about the inevitible.
Much to my chagrin, every MMO I see coming out aren't sandbox. Sure, some aren't slave to the cookiee-cutter boring level system... but it's looking like directed content is the way to go.
But you know what? I'll take a ton of content if it gives me the freedom to be any class I want and all the other Pre-CU freedoms.
A sandbox with plenty of toys (content) is the best hope for the future. Hope SOMEONE realizes it.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
They have to do something... cous they cant keep up with this... peeps are leaving.. mor and more will... i still know peeps that canceling, had like 5 accounts... and they keep leaving...i think i only know 1 who still play it... if this keeps going, thy will run out of money... no matter how much they denied... they must know this is critical
Originally posted by Shayde Originally posted by KenshuAni Originally posted by Axisstorm I have high hopes for an SWG II in the future, I have heard that they may be making one. Maybe in it they will get it right, maybe even a completly new company.
While there might be a new Star Wars MMO in development, it doesn't mean that it will be a sandbox MMORPG. The companies might decide that they just need to scrap SWG with its bad history and just make a EQ/WoW game with a Star Wars skin.
That is what I'm worried about the most.
I don't worry about the inevitible.
Much to my chagrin, every MMO I see coming out aren't sandbox. Sure, some aren't slave to the cookiee-cutter boring level system... but it's looking like directed content is the way to go.
But you know what? I'll take a ton of content if it gives me the freedom to be any class I want and all the other Pre-CU freedoms.
A sandbox with plenty of toys (content) is the best hope for the future. Hope SOMEONE realizes it.
The technical challenges of sandbox MMOs (versus instancing ala WoW) are definitely affecting development plans, but I too would love another sandbox MMO. But I would also take content & freedom over sandbox if the choice was offered.
Wildcat84 said it best in another forum post (http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/89434/page/2) - the current generation of MMOs are almost all trying to copy the WoW model. It won't work, many will fail, and the generation of MMOs after that will be the ones where the developers try "new" things - sandbox worlds, for example. The truth is that our best non-duck hope is still in the distance.
SWG Veteran and Refugee, Intrepid server NGE free as of Nov. 22, 2005 Now Playing: World of Warcrack Forum Terrorist
Much to my chagrin, every MMO I see coming out aren't sandbox. Sure, some aren't slave to the cookiee-cutter boring level system... but it's looking like directed content is the way to go.
But you know what? I'll take a ton of content if it gives me the freedom to be any class I want and all the other Pre-CU freedoms.
A sandbox with plenty of toys (content) is the best hope for the future. Hope SOMEONE realizes it.
I totally agree. I'm really sick of the same rehashed crap that gets thrown at us. It's getting to be just like the FPS era where every FPS you played could be the same game with a different skin.
We need a Half-Life MMO to shake up the genra. lol
Much to my chagrin, every MMO I see coming out aren't sandbox. Sure, some aren't slave to the cookiee-cutter boring level system... but it's looking like directed content is the way to go.
But you know what? I'll take a ton of content if it gives me the freedom to be any class I want and all the other Pre-CU freedoms.
A sandbox with plenty of toys (content) is the best hope for the future. Hope SOMEONE realizes it.
Darkfall (crosses fingers) is a sandbox MMO, full player economy, player cities, etc. If it comes out.
[quote]Originally posted by Obraik [b] Originally posted by wormywyrm Its just hard to believe that the NGE has brought a new playerbase when the server loads are lighter than ever. [url=http://www.mmorpg.com/dsp/dspScreenViewer.cfm?gameId=6&screenId=7659&type=2&mode=1] Even if the NGE has managed to replace some of the SWG vets who left, do you really think that these new players are going to be as deticated to the game? Will they maintain their subscriptions much longer? Maybe it was a last ditch attempt to get some people to pay full retail price for SWG. A short influx of new players to help bring in some quick cash as opposed to a deticated long term playerbase... Here's a screenshot of the pre-cu loads from the MMORPG reviewof the pre-cu game. Posting server loads is kinda pointless though without listing a time.[/b][/quote]
The honest truth about SWG is that both pre-cu, pre-nge, and now all have grealty disappointed LA and SOE. In their eyes, for the popularity of the IP, it's an utter, complete, and total failure... and it appears even more so once wow redefined "successful" in the genre. If pre-cu SWG had gotten numbers like lineage2 even, LA/SOE would have been thrilled and they'd have never touched the game with changes like the CU/NGE. ~shrug~ Honestly we could bill this as "Why you don't let beancounters run your mmo."
SWG is like a horse that fell off a cliff and broke all 4 legs and has been laying there suffering ~ Somebody needs to at least have enough respect and love for the game to put a bullet in it's head already.
Originally posted by Rinna SWG is like a horse that fell off a cliff and broke all 4 legs and has been laying there suffering ~ Somebody needs to at least have enough respect and love for the game to put a bullet in it's head already.
I think alot of people feel the same, but we all secretly hope that things will turn around or that a different company will come out with a Star Wars MMO made for the players and not the execs.
I agree when you loose enough of your fan base, its barely alive. Only suffering and making things worse. Someone there should definately show some humanity and cap it.
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All the seervers are still heavy and they're adding more, do I'd say that's the case.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Right now all you have to do is read and look around. If the game was in good shape NONE of us would be here, we would be in the game from work, from home, from school, from a city coffee shop on thier laptop.
Thank you for your time....
Well said. 2 Points:
1) You make me sick
2) There are many things that tip off all to the NGE's failure, but beyond all others there is one major reality: Where are the NGE Players?
They aren't coming in at the number that SOE / LA gambled on, infact, even those that are trying it aren't staying long. The Players numbers currently aren't going up, and are infact, still sliding slowly (according to my RP friends still playing). And when the RP'ers stop logging in, you know things are not looking good. They're the hard of the hardcore.
But back to the point- The NGE was designed to bring in WoW Blood, but where are they? That alone shows the future of the NGE. If SOE / LA wasn't happy with the Pre-CU numbers, does anyone think they'll be happy with this mess?
Rofl the red (Thank you) stuff is funny though, almost makes me laugh now..lol
I do remember your posts from the Jedi boards... you were funny.
______________________________
I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Rofl the red (Thank you) stuff is funny though, almost makes me laugh now..lol
I do remember your posts from the Jedi boards... you were funny.
Funny HOW?!?! Like a CLOWN?!?!
Hehe... and don't forget abnoxious...
Yeah, those were fun days... I remebers you, and a few others... kind of funny we all ended up here, lol...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
I was on Shadowfire, and it was always damn near full for that time.
But, I think people will only accept poor performance, class imbalance, bugs/glitches for so long. After awhile, people who play the game get fed up, word of mouth begins to spread, and it discourages people from playing the game, as well as discouraging new customers from coming in as well. I know that was the case with myself anyway.
In my opinion, if a game can't at least fix basic bugs within 6 months of release, it's doomed. That's a lesson SWG taught me.
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
After reading the OP and most of the replies from, I have to put my two credits in here. I'm not a regular poster here or really anywhere but my time in SWG was extreme. I was just one of the untold countless people who left the game due to the NGE.
I think the statement that the OP quoted is long overdue, and I can't fathom how a game company like SoE could have tolerated for this long losing revenue. It is really about making money when it comes down to it. Shamefully I can see that they wanted to have numbers on the scale of games like WoW. I can see that a franchise such as Star Wars could have been the one to give them such numbers. They basically screwed it up, from implentation to communication and the snowball effect there in. I left one month after the NGE went live, and had been playing since right before publish 9. I can't really get a grip on how a company can be sitting on such a gold mine and tamper with it, hoping to make it better by changing and simplifying everything. If things were done just a little differently we might have enjoyed one of the greatest games ever made. There were problems in the pre and post CU, but in looking back, they were smallish. Certian professions needed revamped and some things made needed balanced. Jedi being an Alpha class had a huge impact on the game, but the peices laid out in the beginning were enough to keep us entralled.
In my personal opinon, I have never "loved" a game, or even "loved" to play a game until I had first loaded up SWG. It was complex and envolved. It was actually living the life of the character you created. You had communities solely built by players and an economy that was maintained by us as well. No other game could even touch the depth that we once had. Not one. Nobody is ever going to be completely happy, and we had our share of idiots too, but the community as a whole was unique and great.
I could go on and on about my personal experiences, but its wasted. Any veteran of SWG knows the highs of the game and the good times they had. It's all gone due to a botched revamp of a gme that only needed a stroke or two to polish to a mirror finish. SWG affected the lives of many gamers, casual and hardcore. We had a gaming run that will never be surpassed. We were legends and homemakers, crafters and pet caretakers. The cream of the crop.
The NGE took all of that away, all my friends and enemies gone. All of the stories and lives built washed away in one sweeping motion by a greedy corporation. LA doesnt care, they have their franchise money, and will long live in luxury because of. I only have one more thing to say and I really dont care if this gets read: my open thoughts and words to Brenlo:
Too little too late, you lose. The customer is always right. We have our memories of a fantastic world we created with your tools. You lost our trust, and faith. All for greed.
-Wraithe Oza, Jedi
(I still miss my vibrolance, my friends and even my enemies. Damn you Sony)
No, posting server loads has always been pointless.
Not for nothing, and I know i commented earlier on server loads when i was creating a new character yesterday on Bria, but I dont even know really how many each of the SWG servers would hold. Could be 1000 or it could be 20,000, I know it's somewhere in between, but who really knows what it currently is.
I have high hopes for an SWG II in the future, I have heard that they may be making one. Maybe in it they will get it right, maybe even a completly new company. Everyone likes to blame SOE, but from the get go I always heard and read that LA held the Reigns. Was I mis-informed? who really knows?, All I know is the potential that a name like Star Wars has was pissed away by apparently 2 companies and the only company that has really gotten a Black Eye because of it is SOE, they will bare the cross for many years to come apparently but if a different company hooks up with LA, I would almost bet that most of the people that played and those that did'nt will come running and LA will look like a bunch of heroes if that other company does it right because LA will look back on this like a bad mistake and make it the right way next time. Do I blame them soley, hell no, but i hold them equally at fault.
Odenious
While there might be a new Star Wars MMO in development, it doesn't mean that it will be a sandbox MMORPG. The companies might decide that they just need to scrap SWG with its bad history and just make a EQ/WoW game with a Star Wars skin.
That is what I'm worried about the most.
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http://usera.imagecave.com/kitalowe/screenShot0006.jpg
I have posted two ways to get to this, i'm not sure if either will work, but I just took this screen shot at 6:30pm est. I know server loads dont mean much, but atleast it makes me not look like i'm lying about what i'm seeing on character creation and it also makes what i'm saying about seeing alot of people around where i'm running around at. Don't get me wrong, i remember when Theed was so packed you would lag out just running around in the city. But there are alot of new people playing this game now days. I have a friend that has not stopped playing according to him just recently since the beginning and he said that there are alot of new people coming to the game, not alot of returning folks but that could be the free trial. I dont know how much weight i put into the comments of people trying and leaving, how does anyone know that for a fact. And just for my own peice of mind is there a place where you can go and see what the current subscription numbers are for all these mmo's by chance? And by the way, if anyone recognizes my name from bria, yes it's the same Kitalowe that played on bria in the guild Unity. Matter of fact I still have that character in that same guild even though our city is currently a ghost town. lol. Go figure.
Odenious
While there might be a new Star Wars MMO in development, it doesn't mean that it will be a sandbox MMORPG. The companies might decide that they just need to scrap SWG with its bad history and just make a EQ/WoW game with a Star Wars skin.
That is what I'm worried about the most.
I don't worry about the inevitible.
Much to my chagrin, every MMO I see coming out aren't sandbox. Sure, some aren't slave to the cookiee-cutter boring level system... but it's looking like directed content is the way to go.
But you know what? I'll take a ton of content if it gives me the freedom to be any class I want and all the other Pre-CU freedoms.
A sandbox with plenty of toys (content) is the best hope for the future. Hope SOMEONE realizes it.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
there is one person to blame ultimately. L.A. they controll the I.P. and could yank it if they fell that $oe is
not doing a good job with it. but they don't.
we should ask ourselves why? the game is failing, morale of star wars fans is slipping,
the I.P. is hurting. i belive soon they will do something BIG. they have to.
While there might be a new Star Wars MMO in development, it doesn't mean that it will be a sandbox MMORPG. The companies might decide that they just need to scrap SWG with its bad history and just make a EQ/WoW game with a Star Wars skin.
That is what I'm worried about the most.
I don't worry about the inevitible.
Much to my chagrin, every MMO I see coming out aren't sandbox. Sure, some aren't slave to the cookiee-cutter boring level system... but it's looking like directed content is the way to go.
But you know what? I'll take a ton of content if it gives me the freedom to be any class I want and all the other Pre-CU freedoms.
A sandbox with plenty of toys (content) is the best hope for the future. Hope SOMEONE realizes it.
The technical challenges of sandbox MMOs (versus instancing ala WoW) are definitely affecting development plans, but I too would love another sandbox MMO. But I would also take content & freedom over sandbox if the choice was offered.
Wildcat84 said it best in another forum post (http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/89434/page/2) - the current generation of MMOs are almost all trying to copy the WoW model. It won't work, many will fail, and the generation of MMOs after that will be the ones where the developers try "new" things - sandbox worlds, for example. The truth is that our best non-duck hope is still in the distance.
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NGE free as of Nov. 22, 2005
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LIES!!! I would have NEVER said anything with such forethought & inteligent perspective!!!
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go remove the wheels from our Trailer Home, then sell them for gas money so we can move to a new park...
I tried to sell this --->
but no one would buy it since they don't know what it is...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
I totally agree. I'm really sick of the same rehashed crap that gets thrown at us. It's getting to be just like the FPS era where every FPS you played could be the same game with a different skin.
We need a Half-Life MMO to shake up the genra. lol
Much to my chagrin, every MMO I see coming out aren't sandbox. Sure, some aren't slave to the cookiee-cutter boring level system... but it's looking like directed content is the way to go.
But you know what? I'll take a ton of content if it gives me the freedom to be any class I want and all the other Pre-CU freedoms.
A sandbox with plenty of toys (content) is the best hope for the future. Hope SOMEONE realizes it.
Darkfall (crosses fingers) is a sandbox MMO, full player economy, player cities, etc. If it comes out.
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WDMKR | Incarnate
[quote]Originally posted by Obraik
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Originally posted by wormywyrm
Its just hard to believe that the NGE has brought a new playerbase when the server loads are lighter than ever.
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Even if the NGE has managed to replace some of the SWG vets who left, do you really think that these new players are going to be as deticated to the game? Will they maintain their subscriptions much longer?
Maybe it was a last ditch attempt to get some people to pay full retail price for SWG. A short influx of new players to help bring in some quick cash as opposed to a deticated long term playerbase...
Here's a screenshot of the pre-cu loads from the MMORPG reviewof the pre-cu game. Posting server loads is kinda pointless though without listing a time.[/b][/quote]
The honest truth about SWG is that both pre-cu, pre-nge, and now all have grealty disappointed LA and SOE. In their eyes, for the popularity of the IP, it's an utter, complete, and total failure... and it appears even more so once wow redefined "successful" in the genre. If pre-cu SWG had gotten numbers like lineage2 even, LA/SOE would have been thrilled and they'd have never touched the game with changes like the CU/NGE. ~shrug~ Honestly we could bill this as "Why you don't let beancounters run your mmo."
Shadus
No bitchers.
i have a question for Brenlo...
WHAT GOOD IS IT TO APOLOGIZE, AND IN THE SAME BREATH REFUSE TO FIX THE PROBLEM YOU CREATED?
you may take your apology and shove it up your arse. that whole post couldve been condensed to:
"we fucked up. we're sorry, but we're not gonna fix it".
its like they do on the forums...they ask for suggestions and help, then ignore anything that doesnt praise the NGE.
they should just say "we are open to any suggestions to improve the game, except for the one suggestion which would improve the game".
SWG ADDICT...clean since the NGE
I agree when you loose enough of your fan base, its barely alive. Only suffering and making things worse. Someone there should definately show some humanity and cap it.