Originally posted by Spathotan Originally posted by Rabia Originally posted by SODAofBRIA
Originally posted by Xcathdra
Which would of placed it sometime mid september... We are in august, and no sign of the NGE improving to the point where they will get hoards of players back to SWG...
Just wait for the Trader/Smuggler revamp dude!!!
Please?!
OMG OMG OMG OMG, you mean you mean you mean, I can smuggle?
Im really suprised they havnt made smuggler better, after all, SoE sure as hell smuggled the NGE past us and onto live.
Im really suprised they havnt made smuggler better, after all, SoE sure as hell smuggled the NGE past us and onto live.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: We have a Smuggling System - SOE has made us Smuggle their Sausages for years now...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
Originally posted by Obraik Sorry to those that wanted me to post here earlier :P During the day I can't really post in the threads that have alot of reading involved since I usually don't have enough time... Anyway, to me it doesn't really seem like Brenlo is saying anything overly new. Back in March they were saying the same stuff (admitting they failied on the delivery and the testing, apologized, etc), this is just the same thing but in one post instead :P Why Brenlo? He's the chief customer relations guy (TH's boss) for all SOE games. To those thinking he's saying the NGE is a failure, he's not. He's apologizing for how it was delivered in a rushed fasion with little communication about it. He quite clearly states that he believes/believed in the NGE concept. Why the past tense? Well, it's not really the original NGE concept anymore. There's profession diversity now, target lock, auto fire, weapon based damage, etc all things that weren't really part of the NGE concept.
Well, you asked for it....
You're wrong, almost the whole post is admitting the NGE is a failure. Please, he talks about them over-reaching with it. Can you over-reach with a success? Please don't make me continue...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
Originally posted by MX13 Originally posted by Obraik Sorry to those that wanted me to post here earlier :P During the day I can't really post in the threads that have alot of reading involved since I usually don't have enough time... Anyway, to me it doesn't really seem like Brenlo is saying anything overly new. Back in March they were saying the same stuff (admitting they failied on the delivery and the testing, apologized, etc), this is just the same thing but in one post instead :P Why Brenlo? He's the chief customer relations guy (TH's boss) for all SOE games. To those thinking he's saying the NGE is a failure, he's not. He's apologizing for how it was delivered in a rushed fasion with little communication about it. He quite clearly states that he believes/believed in the NGE concept. Why the past tense? Well, it's not really the original NGE concept anymore. There's profession diversity now, target lock, auto fire, weapon based damage, etc all things that weren't really part of the NGE concept.
Well, you asked for it....
You're wrong, almost the whole post is admitting the NGE is a failure. Please, he talks about them over-reaching with it. Can you over-reach with a success? Please don't make me continue...
Ok, I just re-read his post, where in it does he say over-reaching? I can't find it...
Well for a statment made like that it most likely was approved for general viewing. However the sub rates must have really dropped for that statment to be made. It seems as if it was pre consieved waiting for the "right time" to copy and paste it down.
In the past when things got really bad ole Smeedly would come on with his few posts and calm ire down and it seemed to work. We'll watch and see what happens next. If it sunsets or classic servers on last ditch trying to keep it afloat till swg 2 comes out
Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by MX13 Originally posted by Obraik Sorry to those that wanted me to post here earlier :P During the day I can't really post in the threads that have alot of reading involved since I usually don't have enough time... Anyway, to me it doesn't really seem like Brenlo is saying anything overly new. Back in March they were saying the same stuff (admitting they failied on the delivery and the testing, apologized, etc), this is just the same thing but in one post instead :P Why Brenlo? He's the chief customer relations guy (TH's boss) for all SOE games. To those thinking he's saying the NGE is a failure, he's not. He's apologizing for how it was delivered in a rushed fasion with little communication about it. He quite clearly states that he believes/believed in the NGE concept. Why the past tense? Well, it's not really the original NGE concept anymore. There's profession diversity now, target lock, auto fire, weapon based damage, etc all things that weren't really part of the NGE concept.
Well, you asked for it....
You're wrong, almost the whole post is admitting the NGE is a failure. Please, he talks about them over-reaching with it. Can you over-reach with a success? Please don't make me continue...
Ok, I just re-read his post, where in it does he say over-reaching? I can't find it...
OMG, I can't believe you just said that...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
Originally posted by MX13 Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by MX13 Originally posted by Obraik Sorry to those that wanted me to post here earlier :P During the day I can't really post in the threads that have alot of reading involved since I usually don't have enough time... Anyway, to me it doesn't really seem like Brenlo is saying anything overly new. Back in March they were saying the same stuff (admitting they failied on the delivery and the testing, apologized, etc), this is just the same thing but in one post instead :P Why Brenlo? He's the chief customer relations guy (TH's boss) for all SOE games. To those thinking he's saying the NGE is a failure, he's not. He's apologizing for how it was delivered in a rushed fasion with little communication about it. He quite clearly states that he believes/believed in the NGE concept. Why the past tense? Well, it's not really the original NGE concept anymore. There's profession diversity now, target lock, auto fire, weapon based damage, etc all things that weren't really part of the NGE concept.
Well, you asked for it....
You're wrong, almost the whole post is admitting the NGE is a failure. Please, he talks about them over-reaching with it. Can you over-reach with a success? Please don't make me continue...
Ok, I just re-read his post, where in it does he say over-reaching? I can't find it...
Why are you lot bothered about that post, we all knew the CU and NGE was huge square peg be jammed into a circular hole it didn't fit then and it doesn't fit now. The game is gonna die any way its already 3 years old, it has a much smaller dev team , it has a much smaller player base now then it would have done had they stayed with pre-cu and ultimately that is going to decided the fate of the game. Its impossible for them to bring any significant increase in their player base who actually plays SWG not talking about station pass subs talking about active players in the game. At the moment SWG is like a old car which eats too much juice its too old to fix so their driving it until it conks flat out and they can just cut their losses and split. All that post says to me and I am going to quote Jeremy from Purepwnage when he described EA " SOE and LA suck ma balls" they messed up and still can' out right admit it.
What I am pleased with is they admited to creating the NGE and from what I've experience its a joke consdering they spent months designing it covertly is that the best they can do ? If it is i don't hold any hope for any future games they produce cause it was just plain shizzle.
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Originally posted by MX13 Originally posted by Obraik
Didn't think so
Didn't think what? THE WHOLE POST IS AN APOLOGY FOR THE NGE DELIVERY = OVER REACHING
Your original reply stated he said the NGE was a failure, which was wrong. This quoted reply of yours is right though, he did say the NGE delivery (and communication) was a failure...which is exactly what my post said
Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by MX13 Originally posted by Obraik
Didn't think so
Didn't think what? THE WHOLE POST IS AN APOLOGY FOR THE NGE DELIVERY = OVER REACHING
Your original reply stated he said the NGE was a failure, which was wrong. This quoted reply of yours is right though, he did say the NGE delivery (and communication) was a failure...which is exactly what my post said
Ok enough -- read between the lines and quit being a fanboi for about 5 mins..
"We can, and I am sure many of us will, debate for years on end whether this was a good idea. Personally, I believe the concept of the NGE was sound."
OK now listen, just so you can understand this... I do NOT think he can come out right and say it failed but if you cannot see in this line of text what he means or what he is saying then I am sorry and suggest you NEVER EVER GET INTO ANY KIND OF JOB THAT INCLUDES HUMAN RELATIONS!
Brenlo clearly states here THEY THOUGHT IT WAS <------ WAS <------- NOT IS BUT WAS... as in PAST TENSE! and it was a CONCEPT!
If you cannot read what he is saying or means then no joke, just go play the game... play it while you can and pretend none of this is happening. It is one thing to defend the game but for God sakes, do not think that some of us are not smart enough to see two people within a 24 hour span condem or at least admit to this being a mess and a failure, from Smedley (your leader) and Brenlo (another leader of the NGE minions) -- ADMIT THIS ATTEMPT FAILED.
You must sooner or later actually see it for what it is, you do not need to listen to ANYTHING WE SAY BUT FOR YODAS SAKE LISTEN TO THEM!!
You have got to start seeing these people for what they mean and are, you cannot be this blind to them after this much time in the game...
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
I hate the CU/NGE versions of SWG as much as anyone else that frequents this site or any other discussing SWG but....
I read Brenlo's statement and he is NOT saying that the NGE is a failure.
SOE's stance is that the game is good, but the fans were upset that they weren't given advanced notice of the change (which is bullshit, people hate the NGE because of the GAME!)
Basically, he is apologizing from the stand point that your friends and most of us posting here quit because we weren't given fair warning of upcoming changes. Not that these changes were unwelcome, unwanted and a mistake. They firmly believe that the NGE is a better game to play than Raph Koster's virtual world. It's more example of the fact that the devs and producers at SOE had no idea what the players were playing and enjoying.
Too much time talking to each other about what was good and not nearly enough time logging into their game world and seeing for themselves what people playing were doing and what people playing needed from them. You can't look at the metrics for the game and understand what the players were actually WANTING to do. You also can't get a true feel for what the players want by looking at your test server. You have to log into each server for an extended period of time and get to know the players. Be involved with what the players are doing. Watch the actual in game conversations.
It's too bad really, this game could have been amazing.
Wow. That actually made me respect these guys a little bit more... We are all human and we are all prone to f'up's. The best of us take responcibility when we err.
Originally posted by Reachwind I hate the CU/NGE versions of SWG as much as anyone else that frequents this site or any other discussing SWG but.... I read Brenlo's statement and he is NOT saying that the NGE is a failure. SOE's stance is that the game is good, but the fans were upset that they weren't given advanced notice of the change (which is bullshit, people hate the NGE because of the GAME!) Basically, he is apologizing from the stand point that your friends and most of us posting here quit because we weren't given fair warning of upcoming changes. Not that these changes were unwelcome, unwanted and a mistake. They firmly believe that the NGE is a better game to play than Raph Koster's virtual world. It's more example of the fact that the devs and producers at SOE had no idea what the players were playing and enjoying. Too much time talking to each other about what was good and not nearly enough time logging into their game world and seeing for themselves what people playing were doing and what people playing needed from them. You can't look at the metrics for the game and understand what the players were actually WANTING to do. You also can't get a true feel for what the players want by looking at your test server. You have to log into each server for an extended period of time and get to know the players. Be involved with what the players are doing. Watch the actual in game conversations. It's too bad really, this game could have been amazing.
No way man... there is a dash of "It failed" in that statement by all means...
The WAS -- and CONCEPT words used are as much as we may ever see actually from him..
He at no time said that it was well recieved or accepted, nope he stated the obvious followed by a excuse and apology.
There is a difference. After seeing what Smedley said and Brenlo, some people I KNOW have the sense to see how this is panning out.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by MX13 Originally posted by Obraik
Didn't think so
Didn't think what? THE WHOLE POST IS AN APOLOGY FOR THE NGE DELIVERY = OVER REACHING
Your original reply stated he said the NGE was a failure, which was wrong. This quoted reply of yours is right though, he did say the NGE delivery (and communication) was a failure...which is exactly what my post said
Ok enough -- read between the lines and quit being a fanboi for about 5 mins..
"We can, and I am sure many of us will, debate for years on end whether this was a good idea. Personally, I believe the concept of the NGE was sound."
OK now listen, just so you can understand this... I do NOT think he can come out right and say it failed but if you cannot see in this line of text what he means or what he is saying then I am sorry and suggest you NEVER EVER GET INTO ANY KIND OF JOB THAT INCLUDES HUMAN RELATIONS!
Brenlo clearly states here THEY THOUGHT IT WAS <------ WAS <------- NOT IS BUT WAS... as in PAST TENSE! and it was a CONCEPT!
If you cannot read what he is saying or means then no joke, just go play the game... play it while you can and pretend none of this is happening. It is one thing to defend the game but for God sakes, do not think that some of us are not smart enough to see two people within a 24 hour span condem or at least admit to this being a mess and a failure, from Smedley (your leader) and Brenlo (another leader of the NGE minions) -- ADMIT THIS ATTEMPT FAILED.
You must sooner or later actually see it for what it is, you do not need to listen to ANYTHING WE SAY BUT FOR YODAS SAKE LISTEN TO THEM!!
You have got to start seeing these people for what they mean and are, you cannot be this blind to them after this much time in the game...
You need to read his entire post and not just clip it so it sounds the way you want it. He asks where they failed and he answers his own question no where stating that the concept was a failure. We can debate all day/week/month/year/decade/century about what he was really wanting to say, but that's not what he publicly posted.
Originally posted by maxanto Wow. That actually made me respect these guys a little bit more... We are all human and we are all prone to f'up's. The best of us take responcibility when we err.
/salute
While I understand a fuck up just as much as the next guy, also on a large scale even..
It is not like they were not WARNED or TOLD this would happen, by OH say 20,000 people or so..
See, if you do make a mistake and nobody saw it coming that is one thing, but if 20,000 people OR more tell you this will not work, you have to have the sense to question your judgment and rethink it. They had PLENTY of chances to discuss this, change it, take polls or vote...
I know what your saying, I really do.. but if they had no idea it would be alot easier... when in fact they had more warning then I think was possible. I think EGO and Politics played the role in this.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by maxanto Wow. That actually made me respect these guys a little bit more... We are all human and we are all prone to f'up's. The best of us take responcibility when we err.
/salute
While I understand a fuck up just as much as the next guy, also on a large scale even..
It is not like they were not WARNED or TOLD this would happen, by OH say 20,000 people or so..
See, if you do make a mistake and nobody saw it coming that is one thing, but if 20,000 people OR more tell you this will not work, you have to have the sense to question your judgment and rethink it. They had PLENTY of chances to discuss this, change it, take polls or vote...
I know what your saying, I really do.. but if they had no idea it would be alot easier... when in fact they had more warning then I think was possible. I think EGO and Politics played the role in this.
Yup there is nothing you say that I would argue with. However that doesn't make his apology any less valid in my opinion. You know what they say... Better late than never right?
Originally posted by maxanto Wow. That actually made me respect these guys a little bit more... We are all human and we are all prone to f'up's. The best of us take responcibility when we err.
/salute
Well, Brenlo has been as involved in SWG less than I have. Mighty white of him to take blame for something he HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH.
Freeman got moved. Smed is bulletproof for some damn reason.
IT IS ALL A PR MOVE. Something is around the corner.
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Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by MX13 Originally posted by Obraik
Didn't think so
Didn't think what? THE WHOLE POST IS AN APOLOGY FOR THE NGE DELIVERY = OVER REACHING
Your original reply stated he said the NGE was a failure, which was wrong.
Sorry, but saying what he did, especially in the light of Smed's recent comments, is admitting the NGE is a Failure, or at least as close as they will ever come to doing so. If it were a success, there would be no reason to even make his post, or even make the excuses he did. Being blind to that says enough about your opinions on the matter.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
Originally posted by Shayde I'm just glad this puts to bed the whole "LA made the nge" argument.
What I find funny is this... and I may sound like a conspiracy theorist and I'm just spitballing here, but...
1. Brenlo is saying this. How many times has HE been thrust foreward to say ANYTHING. He's an outsider to SWG. WHY is HE saying it? Why come out now and have a complete outsider confess to everyone it was "our bad"? HE had nothing to do with it, he's EQ's bitch.
2. He firmly states it was $OE not LA who came up with the NGE. WHY would he take the hit? Why would he totally give the mea culpas from $OE's camp.. blaming Freeman for the design, blaming $OE for the rollout.. the bad communication?
3. He basically makes the excuse as, and I paraphraze, "We tried to reach too high". Not that the coding blew, or they tried to build it on another system, or our coders are chimps... that they dreamed too big. That the goal was admirable, yet unattainable... and that he's PROUD to work for a company that has the balls to take such chances.
Babe.. there's gonna be a split. It's as inevatable as when Brad Pitt does a flick with some hottie.. it's over. The SWG design team is being rolled into DC (if they really haven't already).. LA will take over the servers (complete with rollback/classic servers) and we all hobble towards SWG2.
If there wasn't something BIG happening soon.. they wouldn't be saying this. Brenlo... Smed... $OE is slyly trying to get their excuses to the net beforehand so they look less like dicks. Save a bit of face.
/agreed To me it seems they are preparing to split up. LEC has talks with the ducks... Hopefully we will see new management before the nov. 15. And dont pick on Obraik, he is our own devils advocat.
Oh, and Isk is right too. read between the lines
Hauken Stormchaser I want pre-CU back Station.com : We got your game Yeah?, Well i want it back!!!
Originally posted by LilT lmao you guys always ask for Obraiks opinion and then act all outraged and disgusted when he disagrees with you.
Keep trying guys, maybe the next thread he'll be persuaded by your capital letters and between the line reading skills!!
Rofl, My god it's like one of my kids... making them see the mistake they made. I swear I just want to beat the kid.
Lol.... I know he is younger, there is no doubt at all in my mind about that but still...lol.
I just like todays youth seeing things for what they are not, what they are not or could be.
Odds are O is a good kid, but still you can only hope his glasses come off enough to see the real issues.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by Reachwind I hate the CU/NGE versions of SWG as much as anyone else that frequents this site or any other discussing SWG but.... I read Brenlo's statement and he is NOT saying that the NGE is a failure. SOE's stance is that the game is good, but the fans were upset that they weren't given advanced notice of the change (which is bullshit, people hate the NGE because of the GAME!) Basically, he is apologizing from the stand point that your friends and most of us posting here quit because we weren't given fair warning of upcoming changes. Not that these changes were unwelcome, unwanted and a mistake. They firmly believe that the NGE is a better game to play than Raph Koster's virtual world. It's more example of the fact that the devs and producers at SOE had no idea what the players were playing and enjoying. Too much time talking to each other about what was good and not nearly enough time logging into their game world and seeing for themselves what people playing were doing and what people playing needed from them. You can't look at the metrics for the game and understand what the players were actually WANTING to do. You also can't get a true feel for what the players want by looking at your test server. You have to log into each server for an extended period of time and get to know the players. Be involved with what the players are doing. Watch the actual in game conversations. It's too bad really, this game could have been amazing.
"We can, and I am sure many of us will, debate for years on end whether this was a good idea. Personally, I believe the concept of the NGE was sound."
This comment alone points to it's failure. He talks about the "Concept", clearly pointing to a failure of execution. Now exactly how they view the failure, that is debatable...
I actually agree with him, the concept was sound, as are many. But it's developement, execution and the decision to lay it on an existing game are clear failures.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
Originally posted by LilT lmao you guys always ask for Obraiks opinion and then act all outraged and disgusted when he disagrees with you.
Keep trying guys, maybe the next thread he'll be persuaded by your capital letters and between the line reading skills!!
I didn't ask for it, I actually defend him for not posting in this post... But when he spits out his Iraqi Press Minister "The Americans have been crushed" BS, I call him on it as I see it...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
Comments
Just wait for the Trader/Smuggler revamp dude!!!
Please?!
OMG OMG OMG OMG, you mean you mean you mean, I can smuggle?
Im really suprised they havnt made smuggler better, after all, SoE sure as hell smuggled the NGE past us and onto live.
Im really suprised they havnt made smuggler better, after all, SoE sure as hell smuggled the NGE past us and onto live.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: We have a Smuggling System - SOE has made us Smuggle their Sausages for years now...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
Well, you asked for it....
You're wrong, almost the whole post is admitting the NGE is a failure. Please, he talks about them over-reaching with it. Can you over-reach with a success? Please don't make me continue...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
Well, you asked for it....
You're wrong, almost the whole post is admitting the NGE is a failure. Please, he talks about them over-reaching with it. Can you over-reach with a success? Please don't make me continue...
Ok, I just re-read his post, where in it does he say over-reaching? I can't find it...
Well for a statment made like that it most likely was approved for general viewing. However the sub rates must have really dropped for that statment to be made. It seems as if it was pre consieved waiting for the "right time" to copy and paste it down.
In the past when things got really bad ole Smeedly would come on with his few posts and calm ire down and it seemed to work. We'll watch and see what happens next. If it sunsets or classic servers on last ditch trying to keep it afloat till swg 2 comes out
Well, you asked for it....
You're wrong, almost the whole post is admitting the NGE is a failure. Please, he talks about them over-reaching with it. Can you over-reach with a success? Please don't make me continue...
Ok, I just re-read his post, where in it does he say over-reaching? I can't find it...
OMG, I can't believe you just said that...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
Well, you asked for it....
You're wrong, almost the whole post is admitting the NGE is a failure. Please, he talks about them over-reaching with it. Can you over-reach with a success? Please don't make me continue...
Ok, I just re-read his post, where in it does he say over-reaching? I can't find it...
OMG, I can't believe you just said that...
Didn't think so
Didn't think what? THE WHOLE POST IS AN APOLOGY FOR THE NGE DELIVERY = OVER REACHING
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
What I am pleased with is they admited to creating the NGE and from what I've experience its a joke consdering they spent months designing it covertly is that the best they can do ? If it is i don't hold any hope for any future games they produce cause it was just plain shizzle.
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Didn't think what? THE WHOLE POST IS AN APOLOGY FOR THE NGE DELIVERY = OVER REACHING
Your original reply stated he said the NGE was a failure, which was wrong. This quoted reply of yours is right though, he did say the NGE delivery (and communication) was a failure...which is exactly what my post said
Didn't think what? THE WHOLE POST IS AN APOLOGY FOR THE NGE DELIVERY = OVER REACHING
Your original reply stated he said the NGE was a failure, which was wrong. This quoted reply of yours is right though, he did say the NGE delivery (and communication) was a failure...which is exactly what my post said
Ok enough -- read between the lines and quit being a fanboi for about 5 mins..
"We can, and I am sure many of us will, debate for years on end whether this was a good idea. Personally, I believe the concept of the NGE was sound."
OK now listen, just so you can understand this... I do NOT think he can come out right and say it failed but if you cannot see in this line of text what he means or what he is saying then I am sorry and suggest you NEVER EVER GET INTO ANY KIND OF JOB THAT INCLUDES HUMAN RELATIONS!
Brenlo clearly states here THEY THOUGHT IT WAS <------ WAS <------- NOT IS BUT WAS... as in PAST TENSE! and it was a CONCEPT!
If you cannot read what he is saying or means then no joke, just go play the game... play it while you can and pretend none of this is happening. It is one thing to defend the game but for God sakes, do not think that some of us are not smart enough to see two people within a 24 hour span condem or at least admit to this being a mess and a failure, from Smedley (your leader) and Brenlo (another leader of the NGE minions) -- ADMIT THIS ATTEMPT FAILED.
You must sooner or later actually see it for what it is, you do not need to listen to ANYTHING WE SAY BUT FOR YODAS SAKE LISTEN TO THEM!!
You have got to start seeing these people for what they mean and are, you cannot be this blind to them after this much time in the game...
______________________________
I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
I hate the CU/NGE versions of SWG as much as anyone else that frequents this site or any other discussing SWG but....
I read Brenlo's statement and he is NOT saying that the NGE is a failure.
SOE's stance is that the game is good, but the fans were upset that they weren't given advanced notice of the change (which is bullshit, people hate the NGE because of the GAME!)
Basically, he is apologizing from the stand point that your friends and most of us posting here quit because we weren't given fair warning of upcoming changes. Not that these changes were unwelcome, unwanted and a mistake. They firmly believe that the NGE is a better game to play than Raph Koster's virtual world. It's more example of the fact that the devs and producers at SOE had no idea what the players were playing and enjoying.
Too much time talking to each other about what was good and not nearly enough time logging into their game world and seeing for themselves what people playing were doing and what people playing needed from them. You can't look at the metrics for the game and understand what the players were actually WANTING to do. You also can't get a true feel for what the players want by looking at your test server. You have to log into each server for an extended period of time and get to know the players. Be involved with what the players are doing. Watch the actual in game conversations.
It's too bad really, this game could have been amazing.
Former SWG beta tester and player
/salute
No way man... there is a dash of "It failed" in that statement by all means...
The WAS -- and CONCEPT words used are as much as we may ever see actually from him..
He at no time said that it was well recieved or accepted, nope he stated the obvious followed by a excuse and apology.
There is a difference. After seeing what Smedley said and Brenlo, some people I KNOW have the sense to see how this is panning out.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Didn't think what? THE WHOLE POST IS AN APOLOGY FOR THE NGE DELIVERY = OVER REACHING
Your original reply stated he said the NGE was a failure, which was wrong. This quoted reply of yours is right though, he did say the NGE delivery (and communication) was a failure...which is exactly what my post said
Ok enough -- read between the lines and quit being a fanboi for about 5 mins..
"We can, and I am sure many of us will, debate for years on end whether this was a good idea. Personally, I believe the concept of the NGE was sound."
OK now listen, just so you can understand this... I do NOT think he can come out right and say it failed but if you cannot see in this line of text what he means or what he is saying then I am sorry and suggest you NEVER EVER GET INTO ANY KIND OF JOB THAT INCLUDES HUMAN RELATIONS!
Brenlo clearly states here THEY THOUGHT IT WAS <------ WAS <------- NOT IS BUT WAS... as in PAST TENSE! and it was a CONCEPT!
If you cannot read what he is saying or means then no joke, just go play the game... play it while you can and pretend none of this is happening. It is one thing to defend the game but for God sakes, do not think that some of us are not smart enough to see two people within a 24 hour span condem or at least admit to this being a mess and a failure, from Smedley (your leader) and Brenlo (another leader of the NGE minions) -- ADMIT THIS ATTEMPT FAILED.
You must sooner or later actually see it for what it is, you do not need to listen to ANYTHING WE SAY BUT FOR YODAS SAKE LISTEN TO THEM!!
You have got to start seeing these people for what they mean and are, you cannot be this blind to them after this much time in the game...
You need to read his entire post and not just clip it so it sounds the way you want it. He asks where they failed and he answers his own question no where stating that the concept was a failure. We can debate all day/week/month/year/decade/century about what he was really wanting to say, but that's not what he publicly posted.
While I understand a fuck up just as much as the next guy, also on a large scale even..
It is not like they were not WARNED or TOLD this would happen, by OH say 20,000 people or so..
See, if you do make a mistake and nobody saw it coming that is one thing, but if 20,000 people OR more tell you this will not work, you have to have the sense to question your judgment and rethink it. They had PLENTY of chances to discuss this, change it, take polls or vote...
I know what your saying, I really do.. but if they had no idea it would be alot easier... when in fact they had more warning then I think was possible. I think EGO and Politics played the role in this.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Keep trying guys, maybe the next thread he'll be persuaded by your capital letters and between the line reading skills!!
For the Horde!
While I understand a fuck up just as much as the next guy, also on a large scale even..
It is not like they were not WARNED or TOLD this would happen, by OH say 20,000 people or so..
See, if you do make a mistake and nobody saw it coming that is one thing, but if 20,000 people OR more tell you this will not work, you have to have the sense to question your judgment and rethink it. They had PLENTY of chances to discuss this, change it, take polls or vote...
I know what your saying, I really do.. but if they had no idea it would be alot easier... when in fact they had more warning then I think was possible. I think EGO and Politics played the role in this.
Yup there is nothing you say that I would argue with. However that doesn't make his apology any less valid in my opinion. You know what they say... Better late than never right?
Freeman got moved. Smed is bulletproof for some damn reason.
IT IS ALL A PR MOVE. Something is around the corner.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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Didn't think what? THE WHOLE POST IS AN APOLOGY FOR THE NGE DELIVERY = OVER REACHING
Your original reply stated he said the NGE was a failure, which was wrong.
Sorry, but saying what he did, especially in the light of Smed's recent comments, is admitting the NGE is a Failure, or at least as close as they will ever come to doing so. If it were a success, there would be no reason to even make his post, or even make the excuses he did. Being blind to that says enough about your opinions on the matter.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
To me it seems they are preparing to split up. LEC has talks with the ducks...
Hopefully we will see new management before the nov. 15.
And dont pick on Obraik, he is our own devils advocat.
Oh, and Isk is right too. read between the lines
Hauken Stormchaser
I want pre-CU back
Station.com : We got your game
Yeah?, Well i want it back!!!
Rofl, My god it's like one of my kids... making them see the mistake they made. I swear I just want to beat the kid.
Lol.... I know he is younger, there is no doubt at all in my mind about that but still...lol.
I just like todays youth seeing things for what they are not, what they are not or could be.
Odds are O is a good kid, but still you can only hope his glasses come off enough to see the real issues.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Water cooled Intel Corei7 920 D0 Stepping OC'd 4.3GHz - 6GB Corsair Dominator GT RAM 2000Mhz - ASUS RAGE II EXTREME X58 Mobo - 2x HD 5870 in Crossfire X, OC'd 0.9Ghz core 1.3Ghz RAM - Dell 2407WFP Flat Panel LCD 24" 1920x1200
"We can, and I am sure many of us will, debate for years on end whether this was a good idea. Personally, I believe the concept of the NGE was sound."
This comment alone points to it's failure. He talks about the "Concept", clearly pointing to a failure of execution. Now exactly how they view the failure, that is debatable...
I actually agree with him, the concept was sound, as are many. But it's developement, execution and the decision to lay it on an existing game are clear failures.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!