1. You signed the EULA (like it or not) when you subscribed; most EULA's probhit powerleveling or selling ingame stuff for real life money. Period. Argue semantics, argue the legality of the EULA, argue that you're not selling the stuff, you're selling your time invested in the game... in the end it's prohibited. Power leveling services knowingly and willingly violate their EULA every single time they log in.
2. This is a GAME. It's about fun and relaxation. An early poster said using a power leveled character is like buying a better tennis racket. BS. It's more like paying Andre to come play your opponent for you so that you can win the local tournament. Then once you've got the trophy you'll be a better tennis player. (I used to laugh my arse off at warriors in original EQ pre-Planes ... who thought that once they had the axe from the giant ... King? .... in Velious they would be better warriors. Relying on a proc doesn't make you a good warrior, just a lazy one) Now, having said that, to some extent getting better gear DOES make you more effective -- but missing those levels where you learn stuff and get to try different things does make you less likely to be an exceptionally good player, no matter how many MMO's or similar characters you've played. In WoW, having a 60 undead mage does not translate well to playing a 60 dwarf hunter; yes some things are the same (interface, the world in general) but each class has unique abilities that take time and effort to learn well.
And in the end, isn't it really more about the journey than it is the screenshot of yourself looking uber? Paying a powerlevel service to get a high level character is somewhat like paying someone else to drive to the Grand Canyon and load your camera with images. Yeah, a year later you have the same physical 'stuff' -- but for me, the lure of MMO's has been (since March 1999) and will remain the memories. Of friends, of tight-knit groups pulling off incredible fights, of the thrill of finding that rare item. No amount of cash paid to some greedy corporation that is deliberately violating the agreements under which it has to operate daily could ever equate to any of those.
Maybe you should all just mind your own damn buisness?
It itsn't your concern how someone else decides to play (or not play) a game. You're all like the whinning little children spamming the /LFG channel in WoW stating it shouldn't be used for general chat. Just get over yourselves.
It SO NOT ILLEGAL TO USE A POWER LEVELING SERVICE OR EVEN BUY GOLD. Got that? Good. For something to be ILLEGAL it has to be breaking a LAW, as in murder, rape, theft.. etc. I see people saying this all the time and it's such a stupid thing to say. It is a violation of the agreement you made with you MMO service, nothing more. IF it was ILLEGAL you could ba arrested and sent to jail for it. Get it strait.
And while we are on the topic, your 1st amendment rights do not apply to a privately owed chat channel, get a clue.
And last. I have used a power leveling service. After I leveled two toons to 60 in wow the normal way I had some friends who wanted me to move to another server, but I didn't have the time to level to 60 so we could play together so I got a service to do it for me. Big freaking deal.
I see people whining about how PLed toons have no skill. This is a vague and generally stupid statement. The same can be said for people who have played from 1-60 in wow. There are people who have play just about every MMO/RPG/FPS out there and I fairly damn sure they could figure out a wow character in a few hours tops.
Also Blizzard doesn't own my time or anyone else's time. Which is what most services claim to be selling. And selling virtual goods isn't a copyright violation when you are selling your time. In fact I doubt Blizzard would even win a court case if they tried to sue. It's fairly obvious which companies are selling MMO assets but you don't see Blizzard going after them because they know they will lose in court.
I really have to agree with spraguep here, wake up people!! Once you have played one character to max level, it takes just minutes to learn how to play a new class, the game mechanics themselves are exactly the same for all classes, and therefore also the required skills. You already did all the quests and learned all the raid encounters, so you hardly gain anything at all by doing it all over again. And, while the leveling part of the game might last a few months, the raiding part can provide lasting fun for YEARS... why waste several months of your time just so you can get to the real game?
I think it is just lame. I am working plus 60 hours a week and am still able to get my chars to where I want them. I would never use a service such as this as I am far to proud when the moment comes and you finally hit max, having it done all by yourself. That is a feeling I would not want to miss in a world, not even in a virtual one
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It SO NOT ILLEGAL TO USE A POWER LEVELING SERVICE OR EVEN BUY GOLD. Got that? Good. For something to be ILLEGAL it has to be breaking a LAW, as in murder, rape, theft.. etc. I see people saying this all the time and it's such a stupid thing to say. It is a violation of the agreement you made with you MMO service, nothing more. IF it was ILLEGAL you could ba arrested and sent to jail for it. Get it strait.
I love when the cheat kiddies think they are experts on topics they know nothing about. You are quite mistaken in your understanding of what "illegal" means. Yes, it can mean nonconformance with a criminal statute (which is not the case with EULA violations). But it can also mean nonconformance with a civil statute, ordinance, regulation or even the common law. Perhaps if you weren't cheating your way through life you would learn something along the way.
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Originally posted by Stalinfalcon I can't believe we are wasting breath on an idiot topic like this. And Carolyn, I really hope you are playing Devil's Advocate. Powerlevelling companies are as big a scam as snakeoill. Period. If people want an end-game character, then for God's sake just BUY one off IGE. I can actually respect that more than someone who is stupid enough to pay a scam company like the one you have on your ad banners on MMORPG.COM for PL services. I generally don't like posts that are pure emotion and no substance, but I'm breaking the rule here. Go away with your fool a$$ topic. PL services are a friggin JOKE. Good bye MIZ Koh.
Wrong it's going to be disliked a lot more than its liked. Among the many other problems with playing a pre-levelled character at Max level the people who do this are obviously from the instant gratification era where the time played to acheive the levels means nothing to them. Whereas to most of us that do put in the time have the feeling that the end result is 'our' character shaped and moulded by the decision made and vicitories/defeats encountered while playing the character, not to mention the friends/enemies made during the development of the character.
I enjoy leveling all the characters I have had in many MMO's (some have been more frustrating than others) and have never even taken part in guild related power level sessions since i end up missing content ingame by doing so.
To pay for a levelled character seems to indicate that the people who do this , mostly don't have the patience to wait, whether or not they make a good player at the higher levels is irrelavent since the have already indicated a lack of patience why would any guild in its right mind accept power levelled characters when the owner is likely to switch to the next big thing without any regret because they have so little invested in their characters.
Why play a game that you cant stand playing so much you pay someone else to play it for you? Why not just go get a game you actually ENJOY playing? People just use powerleveling services because they wanna feel l337 with uber-gear and pwnz0rz people.
I would never use that crap because to me the building of your char IS the game. To me people who use 3rd party p-levelers OR people who ebay or buy anything with real money are just weak and just cant cut it int he mmorpg world and should return to console single player rpgs where im sure they do great.
Personally though I dont care what other peopel do. However people wanna spend there money is up to them. If they wanna cheat there way through the game just to have me kill them while im 20 levels below them, thats fine with me. I play the game how I like to i dont worry about how all the other kiddies who pay there way to a sucky leveled up char wastes there money.
Originally posted by Ranma13 If you found out your coworker hired someone else to do his work for him, would you tell your boss that he was 'cheating'?
Some of you claim it is cheating, claim it is an unfair advantage, or that someone useing a PL service doesn't know how to play. Or doesn't deserve to play if they need a PL service to build their toon.
I used a PL service in two diffrent games. One to catch up to some friends that invited me over to try thier game. I paid for 10 levels. of the 60 levels I went through. I knew my class, in fact 99% of the groups I had ever been in loved having me in the group because I did know how to play my class very well. Not playing those 10 levels did not hurt my play style at all. Only gave me a chance to play with my friends.
An unfair advantage? Are we playing poker? Monopoloy? I don't understand how my toon catching your toon even effects you other then giving you that many more people to group up with. If the game were PvP which at the moment few are PvP I could see it as giving me an advantage.
If there were items that were only 1 per server or something and the first person to level gets it, I can see it as cheating, but that isn't how these games work.
If I actually work for a living and have a family, why should I not be able to play? Because I have a life I am not allowed to play your game? That is the most moronic thing I have ever heard. These games are made for fun, when I get home from work, I like to log into my game, hook up with joe blow on the east coast, jane doe over their in austrlia, and billy bob from japan and go slay a dragon. Will those people all get to play more hours then me, who does it really hurt if I pay someone a few bucks to help me catch up to my group if I had a bad week.
I think the ones with the unfair advantage our the ones sitting at home with 20 hours a day to play the game. Are they actually a benifiet to society, just because they have no life and can level to the max in a month means they are a better gamer then me? No usually it means, they needs to get off their couch potato butt, get a job, take a shower, and maybe they will find some chick to actually take an interest in them and allow them to get a real life.
I would not ever trade my real life for a virtual one, but I love to take a couple hours here and there to dive into a fantasy world, and slay a few baddies.
If you feel that I am cheating because I might buy a few levels, then what about guys in EQ2 that buy in game money off the internet and buy all the collection quest to gain 30 levels in a mattere of minutes?
If you feel that I am cheating, then maybe you need to start a support group.
If you feel that I am cheating then maybe you should start a class action lawsuit.
If you feel that I am cheating maybe you should build your own game and fix the problem.
If you think I am cheating then maybe you should just stop playing in protest...I am sure the game community will listen..ok, maybe not.
Last but not least, if you think I am cheating, well then that's too bad, life is not fair!
I have to say that while I don't understand the logic behind buying a maxed character, I am always in favor of consumers having as many options available to them as possible.
Originally posted by scrawneh Originally posted by Ranma13 If you found out your coworker hired someone else to do his work for him, would you tell your boss that he was 'cheating'?
Yes.
Would your boss care as long as the work was getting done, and done right? Depends on the job. In some jobs people do that all the time.
Look at you local area, they need a road built, usually one company will bid on it, then subcontract it to another comapny, or a building built, or cleaning up, etc...
Originally posted by eagle4x4 I have to say that while I don't understand the logic behind buying a maxed character, I am always in favor of consumers having as many options available to them as possible.
That is an excellent statment!!
I agree while buying a maxed out toon is not good for anyone, only because then the noob at level 60 can't play for beans and gets us all killed. I do think useing a service for a few levels does not hurt anyone.
Originally posted by ChuckNorris Why play a game that you cant stand playing so much you pay someone else to play it for you? Why not just go get a game you actually ENJOY playing?
Why comment on something without first reading what has already been said, for that matter?
You said, "go play a game you actually enjoy". Well, news flash, that's EXACTLY what people who use power leveling services are doing. The leveling part of the game can be totally different from endgame, so they are basically skipping one game and buying another, with the full price for the game being box price + leveling fee.
Btw, people who try to ban something just because they can't understand it are called "bigots".
Originally posted by Jade6 Originally posted by ChuckNorris Why play a game that you cant stand playing so much you pay someone else to play it for you? Why not just go get a game you actually ENJOY playing?
Why comment on something without first reading what has already been said, for that matter?
You said, "go play a game you actually enjoy". Well, news flash, that's EXACTLY what people who use power leveling services are doing. The leveling part of the game can be totally different from endgame, so they are basically skipping one game and buying another, with the full price for the game being box price + leveling fee.
And btw, the correct term for someone who tries to ban something just because he can't understand it is "bigot".
I agree, NEWSFLASH im not talking about banning anyone, duhhh. I did read the posts but if you enjoy the game WHY ARE YOU PAYING SOMEONE ELSE TO PLAY IT?!?!!? Try actually reading MY post before replying to it silly. I see I touched a nerve, dont get mad at me cuz you cant hack in in the mmo world, go back to pacman
I agree, NEWSFLASH im not talking about banning anyone, duhhh.
Neither did I, btw. And I already answered your question - NOBODY is paying anyone to play a game they enjoy for them. Power leveling services are the equivalent of ordering pizza delivery instead of walking all the way to pizza hut yourself, surely you couldn't possibly enjoy pizza if you pay someone to bring it so that you don't have to walk, right?
I at least know how to read, unlike some others here. So I'll leave pacman to you, thank you very much.
Originally posted by ChuckNorris I agree, NEWSFLASH im not talking about banning anyone, duhhh.
Neither did I, btw. And I already answered your question - NOBODY is paying anyone to play a game they enjoy for them. Power leveling services are the equivalent of ordering pizza delivery instead of walking all the way to pizza hut yourself, surely you couldn't possibly enjoy pizza if you pay someone to bring it so that you don't have to walk, right?
I at least know how to read, unlike some others here. So I'll leave pacman to you, thank you very much.
Maybe you know how to read (who doesnt at this point) but you certainly dont know how to comprehend. Do yourself a favor, reread my post, think REAL hard for a while, then maybe itll start to make sense. Na pacman can stay with you, you clearly have no place in the mmo world and you simply just arent good at these kind of games. Ms.Pacman suits you will mate (=
I can't believe this practice is becoming so commonplace. It really boggles my mind. When did people stop wanting to enjoy the journey to the higher levels of the game so much they are willing to pay someone to do it for them?!?! My head is going to explode...
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The main point of MMORPGs, as was stated in the article, is risk/reward factor. That alone is a building block of everything else inside MMO - questing, roleplaying, leveling, raising skills, getting items. If there was no risk or no reward, why play a game? If a game had a wide range of items but u get best items killing level 1 mobs, would u play that game? Its the challenge to GET somewhere that makes a game enjoyable. And some people "cheat" to bypass that challenge by buying powerleveling services.
Sure they wont be good, nor will they be able to join the tope guild. But just by being there they are undermining everyone elses efforts. If I see someone who is level 40 and in 1 day he is level 50 (assuming i was level 40 as well) then I am pressured to follow suit by either grinding extra hours or buying powerleveling services myself. Its an unfair competition like that that will make my experience not so enjoyable. Its like having a man inside a senate that "helps" you to get all the best government contracts - you dont specifically hurt anyone per say, but the damage is there, it is spread among other players who have no contact in the senate, who cannot get the contract, who will not earn money.
Unfortunately, there is no way to stop this since there is no way to know who is actually playing this game, the owner, his brother/sister/friend or some 3rd party person hired to powerlevel.
Originally posted by ChuckNorris Do yourself a favor, reread my post, think REAL hard for a while, then maybe itll start to make sense.
Do yourself a favor and stop kidding yourself, you couldn't possibly say anything that's actually worth reading. Maybe you should just focus on pacman, and leave bigger issues to adults. I will do myself a favor by simply ignoring you kid.
Meh...as long as the game isn't open PvP or some kind of competitive game, I really don't care. If i can find my own little corner in an MMORPG world and ignore other people, I really don't care how much money they pay or what they do to their characters.
However, if it's a type of game where they can somehow bother me (such as Shadowbane, or even Wow considering the end-game), then I would have to say power leveling services in that game should be found and shut down. People pay for a game because they want to enjoy a game. If somebody else just shells out 50 bucks so they can walk around and kick everybody elses ass without working for it, then sorry, your screwing up the game for people who are trying to play legit and should be banned.
In response to your: "I agree that one does not need to be playing in prime time or to have an inordinate amount of time to devote to an MMOG to enjoy it, however, my argument is not to belittle those good players who choose to learn the game from ground-up, but support those good players who have chosen, for one reason or other, to buy some assistance in leveling."
A "good" player is not one who buys power-leveling services, rather it is the "good" player selling these services to the bad or lazy player.
Originally posted by Azereki A "good" player is not one who buys power-leveling services, rather it is the "good" player selling these services to the bad or lazy player.
Actually from my experience, the people that usually use PL service it is to keep up with friends that have more time to play.
If my friend can put in 30 hours a week, while I can only play 15, he is going to level a lot faster then I will. So why shouldn't I be able to pay someone to help me keep up.
I don't play the game to compete with you or anyone else. I am playing the game to play with some friends that play. I have friends all over the world I like to play games with, but I do not have the time to keep up with them. So if I choose to play with them, I have to either ignore my real life to do so, or pay someone to help me maintain their levels.
Where is the harm? I am playing the game to play with them, not really anyone else, although I have hooked up with a lot of other cool people while playing, it is not my direct reason for playing.
An MMO is not a competition, but a way to share a fantasy world with others.
I say if they want to let them I don't really care and here's why...
They buy their toon are around for a year at most then leave meanwhile I have figured out the ins and outs of the economy, learned how to make millions in in game currency and am considered rich by most people in most MMO's I've played. In WoW by the time I hit 60 I had enough gold for an epic mount and even gave a guilde enough gold so he could get one too. I've been able to out heal nearly every priest I've partied with using my druid. Not saying I'm good, not saying their bad, not saying they bought the charecter, but just stating the facts.
In SWG I decided to see how much money I could make off of loot drops soley in one weekend playing 12 hours for 2 days (24 hours total) and came up with 105mil credits by the end of the weekend not counting what didn't sell. Meanwhile everyone else I know (who has power leveled) has a cow when they have to pay 10mil for a piece or armor.
In FFXI I did an experiment to see if I could cause items to drop in price massivly by telling people what I farmed and how much I would make from it and guess what I caused 7 items on my server to drop in price by over 1000% by giving out my farming secrets and why?
To show everyone is out for the short haul and all want to make a quick buck without taking into conserdiration what kind of potential is there. Thus RMTers make big bucks, powerlevelers make decent bucks and me well I just make in game money and work for the long haul. Once the people decide that my farming secrets are no longer working they move to something else and the market opens back up to me, the short haul is all I can say about most players.
Power leveling services are a form of cheating. You are getting around having to do the work yourself, just paying someone to do it for you. This is no different than say paying some guy to write a program for you then pitching it to a corporation as "your software".
Not to mention that when the lazy and/or impatient person takes the character over, they will have NO clue how to play it. If you never played WoW before and I handed you a 60 warrior, you'd be clueless as to what the stances do and what abilities to use and when. Same thing with other games, if I gave my ol' 65 Shadow Knight in EQ1 to someone who never played before they wouldn't know what spells to use and when or how to hold aggro and when. This hurts the community as a whole, as if I recruit someone to join my guild I'm assuming they are a compentent player.
In addition, to me I see no difference in paying money to buy the Sword of Uberness off ebay and paying someone to level up a toon for you. In both cases you are paying a 3rd party for the intelluctual property of that game company.
It really doesnt matter to me. People play the way they want to. It has no affect on my gaming, whatsover.
If people want to have someone powerlevel them, so what. If people want to buy ingame money with real money, so what. Let them play the way they want to.
I enjoy working my way up. Struggling, dying, exploring and all other aspects in living your character. Thats me.
People that complain, IMO, are really just jealous.
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To me, it comes down to two main points:
1. You signed the EULA (like it or not) when you subscribed; most EULA's probhit powerleveling or selling ingame stuff for real life money. Period. Argue semantics, argue the legality of the EULA, argue that you're not selling the stuff, you're selling your time invested in the game... in the end it's prohibited. Power leveling services knowingly and willingly violate their EULA every single time they log in.
2. This is a GAME. It's about fun and relaxation. An early poster said using a power leveled character is like buying a better tennis racket. BS. It's more like paying Andre to come play your opponent for you so that you can win the local tournament. Then once you've got the trophy you'll be a better tennis player. (I used to laugh my arse off at warriors in original EQ pre-Planes ... who thought that once they had the axe from the giant ... King? .... in Velious they would be better warriors. Relying on a proc doesn't make you a good warrior, just a lazy one) Now, having said that, to some extent getting better gear DOES make you more effective -- but missing those levels where you learn stuff and get to try different things does make you less likely to be an exceptionally good player, no matter how many MMO's or similar characters you've played. In WoW, having a 60 undead mage does not translate well to playing a 60 dwarf hunter; yes some things are the same (interface, the world in general) but each class has unique abilities that take time and effort to learn well.
And in the end, isn't it really more about the journey than it is the screenshot of yourself looking uber? Paying a powerlevel service to get a high level character is somewhat like paying someone else to drive to the Grand Canyon and load your camera with images. Yeah, a year later you have the same physical 'stuff' -- but for me, the lure of MMO's has been (since March 1999) and will remain the memories. Of friends, of tight-knit groups pulling off incredible fights, of the thrill of finding that rare item. No amount of cash paid to some greedy corporation that is deliberately violating the agreements under which it has to operate daily could ever equate to any of those.
It itsn't your concern how someone else decides to play (or not play) a game. You're all like the whinning little children spamming the /LFG channel in WoW stating it shouldn't be used for general chat. Just get over yourselves.
It SO NOT ILLEGAL TO USE A POWER LEVELING SERVICE OR EVEN BUY GOLD. Got that? Good. For something to be ILLEGAL it has to be breaking a LAW, as in murder, rape, theft.. etc. I see people saying this all the time and it's such a stupid thing to say. It is a violation of the agreement you made with you MMO service, nothing more. IF it was ILLEGAL you could ba arrested and sent to jail for it. Get it strait.
And while we are on the topic, your 1st amendment rights do not apply to a privately owed chat channel, get a clue.
And last. I have used a power leveling service. After I leveled two toons to 60 in wow the normal way I had some friends who wanted me to move to another server, but I didn't have the time to level to 60 so we could play together so I got a service to do it for me. Big freaking deal.
I see people whining about how PLed toons have no skill. This is a vague and generally stupid statement. The same can be said for people who have played from 1-60 in wow. There are people who have play just about every MMO/RPG/FPS out there and I fairly damn sure they could figure out a wow character in a few hours tops.
Also Blizzard doesn't own my time or anyone else's time. Which is what most services claim to be selling. And selling virtual goods isn't a copyright violation when you are selling your time. In fact I doubt Blizzard would even win a court case if they tried to sue. It's fairly obvious which companies are selling MMO assets but you don't see Blizzard going after them because they know they will lose in court.
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I enjoy leveling all the characters I have had in many MMO's (some have been more frustrating than others) and have never even taken part in guild related power level sessions since i end up missing content ingame by doing so.
To pay for a levelled character seems to indicate that the people who do this , mostly don't have the patience to wait, whether or not they make a good player at the higher levels is irrelavent since the have already indicated a lack of patience why would any guild in its right mind accept power levelled characters when the owner is likely to switch to the next big thing without any regret because they have so little invested in their characters.
Why play a game that you cant stand playing so much you pay someone else to play it for you? Why not just go get a game you actually ENJOY playing? People just use powerleveling services because they wanna feel l337 with uber-gear and pwnz0rz people.
I would never use that crap because to me the building of your char IS the game. To me people who use 3rd party p-levelers OR people who ebay or buy anything with real money are just weak and just cant cut it int he mmorpg world and should return to console single player rpgs where im sure they do great.
Personally though I dont care what other peopel do. However people wanna spend there money is up to them. If they wanna cheat there way through the game just to have me kill them while im 20 levels below them, thats fine with me. I play the game how I like to i dont worry about how all the other kiddies who pay there way to a sucky leveled up char wastes there money.
Some of you claim it is cheating, claim it is an unfair advantage, or that someone useing a PL service doesn't know how to play. Or doesn't deserve to play if they need a PL service to build their toon.
I used a PL service in two diffrent games. One to catch up to some friends that invited me over to try thier game. I paid for 10 levels. of the 60 levels I went through. I knew my class, in fact 99% of the groups I had ever been in loved having me in the group because I did know how to play my class very well. Not playing those 10 levels did not hurt my play style at all. Only gave me a chance to play with my friends.
An unfair advantage? Are we playing poker? Monopoloy? I don't understand how my toon catching your toon even effects you other then giving you that many more people to group up with. If the game were PvP which at the moment few are PvP I could see it as giving me an advantage.
If there were items that were only 1 per server or something and the first person to level gets it, I can see it as cheating, but that isn't how these games work.
If I actually work for a living and have a family, why should I not be able to play? Because I have a life I am not allowed to play your game? That is the most moronic thing I have ever heard. These games are made for fun, when I get home from work, I like to log into my game, hook up with joe blow on the east coast, jane doe over their in austrlia, and billy bob from japan and go slay a dragon. Will those people all get to play more hours then me, who does it really hurt if I pay someone a few bucks to help me catch up to my group if I had a bad week.
I think the ones with the unfair advantage our the ones sitting at home with 20 hours a day to play the game. Are they actually a benifiet to society, just because they have no life and can level to the max in a month means they are a better gamer then me? No usually it means, they needs to get off their couch potato butt, get a job, take a shower, and maybe they will find some chick to actually take an interest in them and allow them to get a real life.
I would not ever trade my real life for a virtual one, but I love to take a couple hours here and there to dive into a fantasy world, and slay a few baddies.
If you feel that I am cheating because I might buy a few levels, then what about guys in EQ2 that buy in game money off the internet and buy all the collection quest to gain 30 levels in a mattere of minutes?
If you feel that I am cheating, then maybe you need to start a support group.
If you feel that I am cheating then maybe you should start a class action lawsuit.
If you feel that I am cheating maybe you should build your own game and fix the problem.
If you think I am cheating then maybe you should just stop playing in protest...I am sure the game community will listen..ok, maybe not.
Last but not least, if you think I am cheating, well then that's too bad, life is not fair!
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Would your boss care as long as the work was getting done, and done right? Depends on the job. In some jobs people do that all the time.
Look at you local area, they need a road built, usually one company will bid on it, then subcontract it to another comapny, or a building built, or cleaning up, etc...
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That is an excellent statment!!
I agree while buying a maxed out toon is not good for anyone, only because then the noob at level 60 can't play for beans and gets us all killed. I do think useing a service for a few levels does not hurt anyone.
Not so nice guy!
Why comment on something without first reading what has already been said, for that matter?
You said, "go play a game you actually enjoy". Well, news flash, that's EXACTLY what people who use power leveling services are doing. The leveling part of the game can be totally different from endgame, so they are basically skipping one game and buying another, with the full price for the game being box price + leveling fee.
Btw, people who try to ban something just because they can't understand it are called "bigots".
Why comment on something without first reading what has already been said, for that matter?
You said, "go play a game you actually enjoy". Well, news flash, that's EXACTLY what people who use power leveling services are doing. The leveling part of the game can be totally different from endgame, so they are basically skipping one game and buying another, with the full price for the game being box price + leveling fee.
And btw, the correct term for someone who tries to ban something just because he can't understand it is "bigot".
I agree, NEWSFLASH im not talking about banning anyone, duhhh. I did read the posts but if you enjoy the game WHY ARE YOU PAYING SOMEONE ELSE TO PLAY IT?!?!!? Try actually reading MY post before replying to it silly. I see I touched a nerve, dont get mad at me cuz you cant hack in in the mmo world, go back to pacman
Neither did I, btw. And I already answered your question - NOBODY is paying anyone to play a game they enjoy for them. Power leveling services are the equivalent of ordering pizza delivery instead of walking all the way to pizza hut yourself, surely you couldn't possibly enjoy pizza if you pay someone to bring it so that you don't have to walk, right?
I at least know how to read, unlike some others here. So I'll leave pacman to you, thank you very much.
Neither did I, btw. And I already answered your question - NOBODY is paying anyone to play a game they enjoy for them. Power leveling services are the equivalent of ordering pizza delivery instead of walking all the way to pizza hut yourself, surely you couldn't possibly enjoy pizza if you pay someone to bring it so that you don't have to walk, right?
I at least know how to read, unlike some others here. So I'll leave pacman to you, thank you very much.
Maybe you know how to read (who doesnt at this point) but you certainly dont know how to comprehend. Do yourself a favor, reread my post, think REAL hard for a while, then maybe itll start to make sense. Na pacman can stay with you, you clearly have no place in the mmo world and you simply just arent good at these kind of games. Ms.Pacman suits you will mate (=
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I can't believe this practice is becoming so commonplace. It really boggles my mind. When did people stop wanting to enjoy the journey to the higher levels of the game so much they are willing to pay someone to do it for them?!?! My head is going to explode...
Joined 2004 - I can't believe I've been a MMORPG.com member for 20 years! Get off my lawn!
Sure they wont be good, nor will they be able to join the tope guild. But just by being there they are undermining everyone elses efforts. If I see someone who is level 40 and in 1 day he is level 50 (assuming i was level 40 as well) then I am pressured to follow suit by either grinding extra hours or buying powerleveling services myself. Its an unfair competition like that that will make my experience not so enjoyable. Its like having a man inside a senate that "helps" you to get all the best government contracts - you dont specifically hurt anyone per say, but the damage is there, it is spread among other players who have no contact in the senate, who cannot get the contract, who will not earn money.
Unfortunately, there is no way to stop this since there is no way to know who is actually playing this game, the owner, his brother/sister/friend or some 3rd party person hired to powerlevel.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Do yourself a favor and stop kidding yourself, you couldn't possibly say anything that's actually worth reading. Maybe you should just focus on pacman, and leave bigger issues to adults. I will do myself a favor by simply ignoring you kid.
Meh...as long as the game isn't open PvP or some kind of competitive game, I really don't care. If i can find my own little corner in an MMORPG world and ignore other people, I really don't care how much money they pay or what they do to their characters.
However, if it's a type of game where they can somehow bother me (such as Shadowbane, or even Wow considering the end-game), then I would have to say power leveling services in that game should be found and shut down. People pay for a game because they want to enjoy a game. If somebody else just shells out 50 bucks so they can walk around and kick everybody elses ass without working for it, then sorry, your screwing up the game for people who are trying to play legit and should be banned.
In response to your: "I agree that one does not need to be playing in prime time or to have
an inordinate amount of time to devote to an MMOG to enjoy it, however,
my argument is not to belittle those good players who choose to learn
the game from ground-up, but support those good players who have
chosen, for one reason or other, to buy some assistance in leveling."
A "good" player is not one who buys power-leveling services, rather it is the "good" player selling these services to the bad or lazy player.
Actually from my experience, the people that usually use PL service it is to keep up with friends that have more time to play.
If my friend can put in 30 hours a week, while I can only play 15, he is going to level a lot faster then I will. So why shouldn't I be able to pay someone to help me keep up.
I don't play the game to compete with you or anyone else. I am playing the game to play with some friends that play. I have friends all over the world I like to play games with, but I do not have the time to keep up with them. So if I choose to play with them, I have to either ignore my real life to do so, or pay someone to help me maintain their levels.
Where is the harm? I am playing the game to play with them, not really anyone else, although I have hooked up with a lot of other cool people while playing, it is not my direct reason for playing.
An MMO is not a competition, but a way to share a fantasy world with others.
Not so nice guy!
I say if they want to let them I don't really care and here's why...
They buy their toon are around for a year at most then leave meanwhile I have figured out the ins and outs of the economy, learned how to make millions in in game currency and am considered rich by most people in most MMO's I've played. In WoW by the time I hit 60 I had enough gold for an epic mount and even gave a guilde enough gold so he could get one too. I've been able to out heal nearly every priest I've partied with using my druid. Not saying I'm good, not saying their bad, not saying they bought the charecter, but just stating the facts.
In SWG I decided to see how much money I could make off of loot drops soley in one weekend playing 12 hours for 2 days (24 hours total) and came up with 105mil credits by the end of the weekend not counting what didn't sell. Meanwhile everyone else I know (who has power leveled) has a cow when they have to pay 10mil for a piece or armor.
In FFXI I did an experiment to see if I could cause items to drop in price massivly by telling people what I farmed and how much I would make from it and guess what I caused 7 items on my server to drop in price by over 1000% by giving out my farming secrets and why?
To show everyone is out for the short haul and all want to make a quick buck without taking into conserdiration what kind of potential is there. Thus RMTers make big bucks, powerlevelers make decent bucks and me well I just make in game money and work for the long haul. Once the people decide that my farming secrets are no longer working they move to something else and the market opens back up to me, the short haul is all I can say about most players.
Power leveling services are a form of cheating. You are getting around having to do the work yourself, just paying someone to do it for you. This is no different than say paying some guy to write a program for you then pitching it to a corporation as "your software".
Not to mention that when the lazy and/or impatient person takes the character over, they will have NO clue how to play it. If you never played WoW before and I handed you a 60 warrior, you'd be clueless as to what the stances do and what abilities to use and when. Same thing with other games, if I gave my ol' 65 Shadow Knight in EQ1 to someone who never played before they wouldn't know what spells to use and when or how to hold aggro and when. This hurts the community as a whole, as if I recruit someone to join my guild I'm assuming they are a compentent player.
In addition, to me I see no difference in paying money to buy the Sword of Uberness off ebay and paying someone to level up a toon for you. In both cases you are paying a 3rd party for the intelluctual property of that game company.
Cheating by any other name is still cheating.
It really doesnt matter to me. People play the way they want to. It has no affect on my gaming, whatsover.
If people want to have someone powerlevel them, so what. If people want to buy ingame money with real money, so what. Let them play the way they want to.
I enjoy working my way up. Struggling, dying, exploring and all other aspects in living your character. Thats me.
People that complain, IMO, are really just jealous.