mmo- Ok, I guess I did miss the fact that you were responding specifically to him. But now I'm even more confused. He recommended another mmo, and you gave reasons why you'd like it better? You're saying that it's fair to compare the two because one is the kind of game you want, and one isn't? I'll assume I'm missing something, because that makes no sense whatsoever to me. If one game has one set of features, and another has another set of features, then no, they aren't more or less advanced versions of the same game.
As for the boards (you asked me before editing), I'm not posting here because I'm on some kind of mission to "save" people from the game. In fact, I'll probably post alot less once I get my new hardware and get back in the game. I can see at least two scenarios where I'd stop posting more or less completely.
1. The game ceases to interest me, and I quit playing.
2. All the people who are just here to hate on the game leave, and all critisizm is valid and constructive.
The reason I asked is because you all think it's important to keep posting. I'm not sure what your aim is. You tried the game once and you were disappointed. Are you going to keep whining about it until you die?
I assume you guys think the game's a ripoff. What needs to change before you change that assessment? Are you ever going to just get over it and move on? If the game mysteriously becomes a hit, will you admit that some people may enjoy this game, so driving them away isn't a charitable deed? I'm just wondering what you're holding out for.
If you're building an mmorpg, or if you'd like to share ideas or talk about this industry, visit Multiplayer Worlds.
Originally posted by Impacatus mmo- Ok, I guess I did miss the fact that you were responding specifically to him. But now I'm even more confused. He recommended another mmo, and you gave reasons why you'd like it better? You're saying that it's fair to compare the two because one is the kind of game you want, and one isn't? I'll assume I'm missing something, because that makes no sense whatsoever to me. If one game has one set of features, and another has another set of features, then no, they aren't more or less advanced versions of the same game. As for the boards (you asked me before editing), I'm not posting here because I'm on some kind of mission to "save" people from the game. In fact, I'll probably post alot less once I get my new hardware and get back in the game. I can see at least two scenarios where I'd stop posting more or less completely. 1. The game ceases to interest me, and I quit playing. 2. All the people who are just here to hate on the game leave, and all critisizm is valid and constructive. The reason I asked is because you all think it's important to keep posting. I'm not sure what your aim is. You tried the game once and you were disappointed. Are you going to keep whining about it until you die? I assume you guys think the game's a ripoff. What needs to change before you change that assessment? Are you ever going to just get over it and move on? If the game mysteriously becomes a hit, will you admit that some people may enjoy this game, so driving them away isn't a charitable deed? I'm just wondering what you're holding out for.
I assume that it's more important for YOU to post than it is for me to post? Maybe we do feel ripped off and it may take a while before we "move on". The question I have for you is, "why does it bother you so much"? There are people on these forums who take old previews and quote parts from them and say they are reviews in an attempt to get more people to buy this game. There are those who say the game is horrible and lacks content and is a lagfest on rollerskates, so who's worst?
And if this game becomes a hit, It will surprise everyone.
Why argue with me? I will continue to post as much as I want and whatever I feel like posting so you are wasting your time. Take your own advice and get over it and move on.
Using a college education as a standard isn't the best way to go about gauging anything about someone you haven't met. It might have been in the 20's, but nowadays I have to ask myself if anyone who cares about college degrees has seen a campus lately?
For many people, myself included, college just wan't affordable after high school. After playing sports and working during the school year, I let my grades slip and no scholarship, oh darn. Spent a year making decent money before joining the Navy, where I was a nuke tech on a submarine (electrican FTW).
Graduated with a degree in thermo dynamics, entered law school, worked in an office as a clerk/lawyer for a few years after graduating. Now I manage a small kitchen in a suburb of Minneapolis, because I like the owner and the job. When I meet people, I can tell that they look down upon my career choice. It's funny, I've noticed a lot of arrogance from people with lesser degrees than mine, until they find out my background, then all of a sudden it's not about papers on the wall or time spent in a library anymore, then it's about character. But rarely before they find out do I get that courtesy.
Oh well, that elitest crap is everywhere these days. By being happy in my job, albeit at a lower salary then I could be at, I'm obviously uneducated; how could I possibly debate politics or the merits of a video game with someone who sat through 4 years at university since they had no where else to go after high school?
That's the attitude too many people have here. Not a 'sorry you don't like it, move on', but instead the always popular 'it's a bit too advanced for your kind'. Or the relaible tactic of pointing out typing errors or puncutation mistakes. I am tempted to try the game, once they finish the damned thing, but I don't want to get hammered on because I didn't write a post as crisp as one would write a resume.
When I buy a Microsoft OS, I know there will be a few tweaks and patches I'll need to occasionally get. But the software is functional, it's complete, finito, done. It's not 70%, and we'll get to more once you buy it so we can keep the office heated. For god's sake, the name thing is my big stickign point in all honesty. Call every NPC Tony, or Bob, who cares? But to see the coding name of that certain npc just hanging out there like a billboard, saying ' We aren't done yet with the game, we're not done yet....' would really grate on my nerves fast. What else isn't done yet would be my first question, after seeing such an ugly npc nametag.
RV seems to be the latest game to play the small company vs the big guys card, release way too early, and have to resort to dedicated fanboys to spread the good word about their game. Reviews? Who reads these days anyways? Apperantely not the college boys.
Sorry to ramble, it's a nasty habit of mine, but jeez I hate that 'what's your education?' crap with all my heart. If you can't tell if someone is smart or not just by reading their writings, and seeing what kind of vocabulary they have, and if they use it well in their posts, then odds are you yourself aren't that bright imho.
I stop posting on this game when people stop distorting the truth about the game and insulting anyone who comes here and gives the game a bad rating.
Why should i keep quiet when such people keep posting their distortion to get people to pay money(key word pay hard earned money be it $1 or $1000000) for this game.
On a side note i think bringing up education as regards this game was funny.What education has to do with a mmorpg is beyond me.
Those that been on the site long enough and remember when i was off from the site for months ,would remember i left to do my masters in biochemistry and currently doing my phd in medical bio.
But honestly what has that got to do with a mmorpg like RV?Nothing at all!
For those of you playing at home, I just want to recap what has happened in this thread:
1. An employee of RedBedlam takes exception to the 8% review given by PC Zone and claims that the reviewer and the company he reviews for was "shifty" in the way they handled the review process. Their claim is that they never recieved a press account to review the game, and that RedBedlam had NO idea that they were reviewing the game.
2. An employee connected with PC Zone writes in saying that they did indeed have contact with the PR department at RedBedlam, and they did know an account was set up.
3. A RedBedlam employee says that is not true.
4. I call him/her out on it and call them a liar.
5. (To his/her credit) They admit their mistake, and in fact, a press account was issued and the reivew was known to the company
This means 1 of 2 things - a) that the company was lying and trying to discredit the reviewer, or the communication of this small company is so bad, that they have no idea who is reviewing their games, and pretty much what the hell is going on with their company. You can pick which one you want, it doesn't really matter.
6. Then a RedBedlam employee posts a spin-control message claiming that the reviewer barely logged in any time in the game. (More on this later).
7. Then people on this board go off on wild speculation that the reviewer didn't even have any money while playing the game. On and on they go, claiming this as their argument. And they are idiots because the pictures in the review show that the reviewer had money. I don't know what to say to this really. It just makes anyone who used that argument look very stupid for making assumptions without having facts in front of them.
I want to see the account stats of the reviewer who played the game.
Come on RedBedlam - post them. I want to see EXACTLY how many hours the reviewer played the game. Just post a screenshot. Prove me wrong. Put your already damaged rep on the line. Come on, do it.
Also I want this question answered:
Does your character walk at the bottom of bodies of water during the game? Is this a feature? Did people in ancient Rome have the awesome power to walk at the bottom of rivers? Do you think a retail game should have such an outrageous bug in it? Maybe this issue has been addressed and corrected - let me know if it has.
Originally posted by TheVF For those of you playing at home, I just want to recap what has happened in this thread:
1. An employee of RedBedlam takes exception to the 8% review given by PC Zone and claims that the reviewer and the company he reviews for was "shifty" in the way they handled the review process. Their claim is that they never recieved a press account to review the game, and that RedBedlam had NO idea that they were reviewing the game.
2. An employee connected with PC Zone writes in saying that they did indeed have contact with the PR department at RedBedlam, and they did know an account was set up.
3. A RedBedlam employee says that is not true.
4. I call him/her out on it and call them a liar.
5. (To his/her credit) They admit their mistake, and in fact, a press account was issued and the reivew was known to the company
This means 1 of 2 things - a) that the company was lying and trying to discredit the reviewer, or the communication of this small company is so bad, that they have no idea who is reviewing their games, and pretty much what the hell is going on with their company. You can pick which one you want, it doesn't really matter.
6. Then a RedBedlam employee posts a spin-control message claiming that the reviewer barely logged in any time in the game. (More on this later).
7. Then people on this board go off on wild speculation that the reviewer didn't even have any money while playing the game. On and on they go, claiming this as their argument. And they are idiots because the pictures in the review show that the reviewer had money. I don't know what to say to this really. It just makes anyone who used that argument look very stupid for making assumptions without having facts in front of them.
"...Unless you can find the one player per side that can deattend you..."
WOW! this reviewer did his HW.
If he had he would of known that the LLM (Lord, Lady, Magistrate) of each board can deattend you. However there are currently no other boards under control of a LLM.
"...and its miles to the enemy..." well yeah, you don't normally live .25 miles away from people who are trying to kill you. This game isn't all about fighting there are such things as peacefull times. In fact Rome went through ALOT of years with out war.
Few real quests? Well DUH! One word....SANDBOX
It's funny, he complains about all this stuff in the review yet you don't hear of any current long time community members complaining, and alot of new people arn't complaining either.
IDC if i can't swim, its coming as are all the other stuff, just need to wait.
Lets see what the community says.
P.S. If your an RV hater don't post here, you will be KOS lol
Just to explain a little something to TheVF, you were originally speaking with Kanoth, who I believe works as a volunteer and is very good at keeping the core dev team informed of what concerns and troubles the RV community. You then had KFR come in at Kanoth's request, who is the lead developer. That is why he had much better information to share with you. There are sometimes miscommunications between the volunteers and the dev team as they are all located in different countries and have limited time to speak with one another, especially when there are more important tasks at hand than this review.
This may not be an acceptable excuse, and I know it tests my patience at times as well... but this is the nature of this project. KFR is very busy considering the size of their work staff, but he occasionally comes out to address any major issues that Kanoth may not be qualified to. Personally, I deeply appreciate this hands on approach that they have with all things. You can point out their miscues all you want, but with any other game you would never have the lead developer here talking with you to straighten things out. I hope you can see this is why some of the players are overzealous in their defense of this game and its creators...
Originally posted by Tzitzimime Just to explain a little something to TheVF, you were originally speaking with Kanoth, who I believe works as a volunteer and is very good at keeping the core dev team informed of what concerns and troubles the RV community. You then had KFR come in at Kanoth's request, who is the lead developer. That is why he had much better information to share with you. There are sometimes miscommunications between the volunteers and the dev team as they are all located in different countries and have limited time to speak with one another, especially when there are more important tasks at hand than this review. This may not be an acceptable excuse, and I know it tests my patience at times as well... but this is the nature of this project. KFR is very busy considering the size of their work staff, but he occasionally comes out to address any major issues that Kanoth may not be qualified to. Personally, I deeply appreciate this hands on approach that they have with all things. You can point out their miscues all you want, but with any other game you would never have the lead developer here talking with you to straighten things out. I hope you can see this is why some of the players are overzealous in their defense of this game and its creators...
The RedBedLam logo on his account must have thrown me off.
Originally posted by Tzitzimime Just to explain a little something to TheVF, you were originally speaking with Kanoth, who I believe works as a volunteer (...)
- Kanoth RedBedlam Community Support Manager. I see no mention of anything being volunteer, also I dont think mmorpg.com hands out special titles to volunteer helpers.
Originally posted by Tzitzimime Just to explain a little something to TheVF, you were originally speaking with Kanoth, who I believe works as a volunteer (...)
- Kanoth RedBedlam Community Support Manager. I see no mention of anything being volunteer, also I dont think mmorpg.com hands out special titles to volunteer helpers.
Maybe the person in charge of telling the company when someone is reviewing their game also forgot to tell them that Kanoth was an employee?
Or Kanoth is pretending to work for RedBedLam, with a made-up title?
Damn this thread is amusing. The only problem is that I think I'm losing a couple of IQ points everytime I read a post by TheVF. He's almost as bad as Jorev
Originally posted by Bluefix Damn this thread is amusing. The only problem is that I think I'm losing a couple of IQ points everytime I read a post by TheVF. He's almost as bad as Jorev
It gives him something to strive for...tho at least jorev comments on other games
Hey, reviewer guy, whatever your name is, go to my previous post where I trashed you and your review and click the link the RV site. There, in plain view for all to see, is a post in the Public Discussion made by me linking to your review and this thread. I suggest you read up on what players are saying about it and the game. Unlese you don't care cuz you did your review and got your money.
Originally posted by Virtus Hey, reviewer guy, whatever your name is, go to my previous post where I trashed you and your review and click the link the RV site. There, in plain view for all to see, is a post in the Public Discussion made by me linking to your review and this thread. I suggest you read up on what players are saying about it and the game. Unlese you don't care cuz you did your review and got your money.
Doubt you get an reviewer to go to a game's fansite after he given it a bad rating because it will be a one sided flame war.If you wish to get their attention go to pc zone uk forum and post there .Even then you probably will not get an answer but much more likely then him/her going to RV offical forum.
Never said he had to post, just look what actaul players though. Wonder if he ever lookd in the C&E while he was playing to see htat not all the action was in game.
TheVF, if you were referrring to me I would not have called you something as nice as the reviewer guy.
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mmo- Ok, I guess I did miss the fact that you were responding specifically to him. But now I'm even more confused. He recommended another mmo, and you gave reasons why you'd like it better? You're saying that it's fair to compare the two because one is the kind of game you want, and one isn't? I'll assume I'm missing something, because that makes no sense whatsoever to me. If one game has one set of features, and another has another set of features, then no, they aren't more or less advanced versions of the same game.
As for the boards (you asked me before editing), I'm not posting here because I'm on some kind of mission to "save" people from the game. In fact, I'll probably post alot less once I get my new hardware and get back in the game. I can see at least two scenarios where I'd stop posting more or less completely.
1. The game ceases to interest me, and I quit playing.
2. All the people who are just here to hate on the game leave, and all critisizm is valid and constructive.
The reason I asked is because you all think it's important to keep posting. I'm not sure what your aim is. You tried the game once and you were disappointed. Are you going to keep whining about it until you die?
I assume you guys think the game's a ripoff. What needs to change before you change that assessment? Are you ever going to just get over it and move on? If the game mysteriously becomes a hit, will you admit that some people may enjoy this game, so driving them away isn't a charitable deed? I'm just wondering what you're holding out for.
If you're building an mmorpg, or if you'd like to share ideas or talk about this industry, visit Multiplayer Worlds.
And if this game becomes a hit, It will surprise everyone.
Why argue with me? I will continue to post as much as I want and whatever I feel like posting so you are wasting your time. Take your own advice and get over it and move on.
I sleep with a pillow under my gun.
Using a college education as a standard isn't the best way to go about gauging anything about someone you haven't met. It might have been in the 20's, but nowadays I have to ask myself if anyone who cares about college degrees has seen a campus lately?
For many people, myself included, college just wan't affordable after high school. After playing sports and working during the school year, I let my grades slip and no scholarship, oh darn. Spent a year making decent money before joining the Navy, where I was a nuke tech on a submarine (electrican FTW).
Graduated with a degree in thermo dynamics, entered law school, worked in an office as a clerk/lawyer for a few years after graduating. Now I manage a small kitchen in a suburb of Minneapolis, because I like the owner and the job. When I meet people, I can tell that they look down upon my career choice. It's funny, I've noticed a lot of arrogance from people with lesser degrees than mine, until they find out my background, then all of a sudden it's not about papers on the wall or time spent in a library anymore, then it's about character. But rarely before they find out do I get that courtesy.
Oh well, that elitest crap is everywhere these days. By being happy in my job, albeit at a lower salary then I could be at, I'm obviously uneducated; how could I possibly debate politics or the merits of a video game with someone who sat through 4 years at university since they had no where else to go after high school?
That's the attitude too many people have here. Not a 'sorry you don't like it, move on', but instead the always popular 'it's a bit too advanced for your kind'. Or the relaible tactic of pointing out typing errors or puncutation mistakes. I am tempted to try the game, once they finish the damned thing, but I don't want to get hammered on because I didn't write a post as crisp as one would write a resume.
When I buy a Microsoft OS, I know there will be a few tweaks and patches I'll need to occasionally get. But the software is functional, it's complete, finito, done. It's not 70%, and we'll get to more once you buy it so we can keep the office heated. For god's sake, the name thing is my big stickign point in all honesty. Call every NPC Tony, or Bob, who cares? But to see the coding name of that certain npc just hanging out there like a billboard, saying ' We aren't done yet with the game, we're not done yet....' would really grate on my nerves fast. What else isn't done yet would be my first question, after seeing such an ugly npc nametag.
RV seems to be the latest game to play the small company vs the big guys card, release way too early, and have to resort to dedicated fanboys to spread the good word about their game. Reviews? Who reads these days anyways? Apperantely not the college boys.
Sorry to ramble, it's a nasty habit of mine, but jeez I hate that 'what's your education?' crap with all my heart. If you can't tell if someone is smart or not just by reading their writings, and seeing what kind of vocabulary they have, and if they use it well in their posts, then odds are you yourself aren't that bright imho.
I sleep with a pillow under my gun.
I stop posting on this game when people stop distorting the truth about the game and insulting anyone who comes here and gives the game a bad rating.
Why should i keep quiet when such people keep posting their distortion to get people to pay money(key word pay hard earned money be it $1 or $1000000) for this game.
On a side note i think bringing up education as regards this game was funny.What education has to do with a mmorpg is beyond me.
Those that been on the site long enough and remember when i was off from the site for months ,would remember i left to do my masters in biochemistry and currently doing my phd in medical bio.
But honestly what has that got to do with a mmorpg like RV?Nothing at all!
1. An employee of RedBedlam takes exception to the 8% review given by PC Zone and claims that the reviewer and the company he reviews for was "shifty" in the way they handled the review process. Their claim is that they never recieved a press account to review the game, and that RedBedlam had NO idea that they were reviewing the game.
2. An employee connected with PC Zone writes in saying that they did indeed have contact with the PR department at RedBedlam, and they did know an account was set up.
3. A RedBedlam employee says that is not true.
4. I call him/her out on it and call them a liar.
5. (To his/her credit) They admit their mistake, and in fact, a press account was issued and the reivew was known to the company
This means 1 of 2 things - a) that the company was lying and trying to discredit the reviewer, or the communication of this small company is so bad, that they have no idea who is reviewing their games, and pretty much what the hell is going on with their company. You can pick which one you want, it doesn't really matter.
6. Then a RedBedlam employee posts a spin-control message claiming that the reviewer barely logged in any time in the game. (More on this later).
7. Then people on this board go off on wild speculation that the reviewer didn't even have any money while playing the game. On and on they go, claiming this as their argument. And they are idiots because the pictures in the review show that the reviewer had money. I don't know what to say to this really. It just makes anyone who used that argument look very stupid for making assumptions without having facts in front of them.
(Oh, and grinreaper owes me $10)
I want to see the account stats of the reviewer who played the game.
Come on RedBedlam - post them. I want to see EXACTLY how many hours the reviewer played the game. Just post a screenshot. Prove me wrong. Put your already damaged rep on the line. Come on, do it.
Also I want this question answered:
Does your character walk at the bottom of bodies of water during the game? Is this a feature? Did people in ancient Rome have the awesome power to walk at the bottom of rivers? Do you think a retail game should have such an outrageous bug in it? Maybe this issue has been addressed and corrected - let me know if it has.
*drumroll* and now on the 16th page of this sorry thread, here it is in all its glory:
The actual review
http://www.giantrobeast.com/images/roma_victor_08.jpg
"...Unless you can find the one player per side that can deattend you..."
WOW! this reviewer did his HW.
If he had he would of known that the LLM (Lord, Lady, Magistrate) of each board can deattend you. However there are currently no other boards under control of a LLM.
"...and its miles to the enemy..." well yeah, you don't normally live .25 miles away from people who are trying to kill you. This game isn't all about fighting there are such things as peacefull times. In fact Rome went through ALOT of years with out war.
Few real quests? Well DUH! One word....SANDBOX
It's funny, he complains about all this stuff in the review yet you
don't hear of any current long time community members complaining, and
alot of new people arn't complaining either.
IDC if i can't swim, its coming as are all the other stuff, just need to wait.
Lets see what the community says.
P.S. If your an RV hater don't post here, you will be KOS lol
http://www.roma-victor.com/community/bb/viewtopic.php?p=206422#206422
Just to explain a little something to TheVF, you were originally speaking with Kanoth, who I believe works as a volunteer and is very good at keeping the core dev team informed of what concerns and troubles the RV community. You then had KFR come in at Kanoth's request, who is the lead developer. That is why he had much better information to share with you. There are sometimes miscommunications between the volunteers and the dev team as they are all located in different countries and have limited time to speak with one another, especially when there are more important tasks at hand than this review.
This may not be an acceptable excuse, and I know it tests my patience at times as well... but this is the nature of this project. KFR is very busy considering the size of their work staff, but he occasionally comes out to address any major issues that Kanoth may not be qualified to. Personally, I deeply appreciate this hands on approach that they have with all things. You can point out their miscues all you want, but with any other game you would never have the lead developer here talking with you to straighten things out. I hope you can see this is why some of the players are overzealous in their defense of this game and its creators...
Maybe the person in charge of telling the company when someone is reviewing their game also forgot to tell them that Kanoth was an employee?
Or Kanoth is pretending to work for RedBedLam, with a made-up title?
Nothing would surprise me now.
Kanoth is more or les a volunteer, as are most of hte other guys, Most of them havn't seen a paycheck in years.
thanks grenkal...now I dont have to figure out where to buy this rag.
It is about what I expected...the clue phone was ringing, and he didnt pickup.
It never ends. And it never stops being hilarious. Keep grasping at those straws, you jolly devils.
Still waiting on the screenshot of the reviewer's game stats from RedBedlam. Where could it be?
Never said he had to post, just look what actaul players though. Wonder if he ever lookd in the C&E while he was playing to see htat not all the action was in game.
TheVF, if you were referrring to me I would not have called you something as nice as the reviewer guy.
Also, are they paying you, or are you another of their unpaid employees?